Alignment question s13 (drift)

[word sux]

I was wonder what should whats a good starting point for caster. I am gonna play with it and figure out what I like so should I just set it at stock then bump it up from there?? I have hear 6.5 to 7 degree's is optimal for an s13.

any input?

the car has adj traction, toe, tension, and ruca's.

no bench racers please

[herbieS13]

you should make it match stock and then drive it to like pep boys or discount tire, firestone, really anywhere that does alignments

[word sux]

you should make it match stock and then drive it to like pep boys or discount tire, firestone, really anywhere that does alignments


yea thats exactly what I am not going to do

[word sux]

really

100+ views and no real answers??

[azndummie]

caster +6-9 in my opinion with slight toe out about 1/8 inch and 3 degrees camber in the front. in the rear i would keep toe either zeroed or toe in a slight slight bit with 0-2 degrees of camber.

[WISH ONE]

Toe out in Front??? really?

[mrchomponthis]

toe out looks cool DUH
Toe out in Front??? really?

[KOME]

Toe in the front a couple of inches so you never lose control. And then toe out the back just to balance out your whole setup. This well GREATLY help with keeping control during powerslides and help initiate drifts. Also positive camber is good camber. Shazam, that's my 2 cents. 2 cents worth millions.

Good luck. :]

[WISH ONE]

that sounds crazy but ok sure.

[statickx991]

that sounds crazy but ok sure.
lol i was thinking the same but ill try it

[sincity_sil80]

Toe in the front a couple of inches so you never lose control. And then toe out the back just to balance out your whole setup. This well GREATLY help with keeping control during powerslides and help initiate drifts. Also positive camber is good camber. Shazam, that's my 2 cents. 2 cents worth millions.

Good luck. :]


thats sarcasm right? at least i hope it is

[fckillerbee]

wow....

how much power you putting down?

zero toe all around

half a degree to a full degree in the rear. as much neg camber in the front as you can get.

[valve timing]

im running stock sr turbo elbow full dp and exhaust im hopefully making 200 whp running 6.5 degrees of caster 2.5 neg camber in front 1 degree toe out thne in the rear 1 degree toe in 1 degree of neg camber on 235 17 45 tires on all 4 corners

[Carbomb]

frpont
3.5 camper
toe 0
caster 8

rear
camber -.5
toe 0
traction rod 10mm shorter then oem.

this is a alignment i got from a buddy who drives for a living... give it a go.

[Imprezive]

Wow, just wow.

[sr20sean]

frpont
3.5 camper
toe 0
caster 8

rear
camber -.5
toe 0
traction rod 10mm shorter then oem.

this is a alignment i got from a buddy who drives for a living... give it a go.

im going to end up using this setup

[roboticnissan]

Is that much negative camber really needed for.drifting?

[ericcastro]

Is that much negative camber really needed for.drifting?

I dont think so.

[s13 @ fullboost]

this thread is pure win lol

[NissanEnthus]

I was wonder what should whats a good starting point for caster. I am gonna play with it and figure out what I like so should I just set it at stock then bump it up from there?? I have hear 6.5 to 7 degree's is optimal for an s13.

any input?

the car has adj traction, toe, tension, and ruca's.

no bench racers please

I like that you specifically ask for no bench racers (which may be more educated than you)....Yet your gonna go play with it.....LOL

My 2 cents for a good "starting point" is taking it to a professional and possibly save the general public from injury...

[ericcastro]

I ran stock street settings for about 3 or 4 years.
i only recently started messing with it a little.
But I just have my guy Adrian give me something between drift and street.

[roboticnissan]

With increased caster you get increased camber under cornering so there is no need to have like 3 degrees of negative camber.

[fckillerbee]

Is that much negative camber really needed for.drifting?

needing to drift, and drifting professional are two different questions.

I dont think so.

*think

You don't NEED any amount of camber/caster/toe settings to get a car to drift.

If you want a professional setup, I gave you one.

If you want to slide the car around, any setting will allow you to do that.

Letting the car drift easier, is what the alignment setting is going to do.

More camber in the rear= less contact patch= less traction/forward grip

More camber in the front=more contact patch under full lock=easier control mid drift

Toe is a touchy subject, and should only be used in competition, and I cannot give you a base for tuning that as power/ suspension mods/ ride height/ tire size and compound all effect what toe settings you should have. It's like asking for aero tips, but you aren't going to time your laps.


And even then, it's to some drivers preference. I prefer full tire contact at full lock vs dai looks like he's running minimal camber (which means better turn in, less contact at full lock, which allows for less friction coming from the front tires...it'll allow you to get more four wheel drift action/backwards driving/ cool drifting...down side is under full lock, the one with more contact patch gets better grip coming around a turn.

There is only so much rear traction being made at any given point.

so what was the question again? Oh yes...alignment specs. It's your preference/ what you want done. If you are looking for a base setup, anything will work. When you are starting to compete....that's when you want to start looking into go pro's and filming your suspension movements.

[blacktrash]

0 camber front and rear. ( gotta be hella flush right?)
+5 toe front
4 caster

-5 toe rear

i work at auto zone guys , leave this thread to me.

[sr20sean]

needing to drift, and drifting professional are two different questions.



*think

You don't NEED any amount of camber/caster/toe settings to get a car to drift.

If you want a professional setup, I gave you one.

If you want to slide the car around, any setting will allow you to do that.

Letting the car drift easier, is what the alignment setting is going to do.

More camber in the rear= less contact patch= less traction/forward grip

More camber in the front=more contact patch under full lock=easier control mid drift

Toe is a touchy subject, and should only be used in competition, and I cannot give you a base for tuning that as power/ suspension mods/ ride height/ tire size and compound all effect what toe settings you should have. It's like asking for aero tips, but you aren't going to time your laps.


And even then, it's to some drivers preference. I prefer full tire contact at full lock vs dai looks like he's running minimal camber (which means better turn in, less contact at full lock, which allows for less friction coming from the front tires...it'll allow you to get more four wheel drift action/backwards driving/ cool drifting...down side is under full lock, the one with more contact patch gets better grip coming around a turn.

There is only so much rear traction being made at any given point.

so what was the question again? Oh yes...alignment specs. It's your preference/ what you want done. If you are looking for a base setup, anything will work. When you are starting to compete....that's when you want to start looking into go pro's and filming your suspension movements.

i know some people with higher power settings run very tiny toe in for foreward push.

0 camber front and rear. ( gotta be hella flush right?)
+5 toe front
4 caster

-5 toe rear

i work at auto zone guys , leave this thread to me.

:mepoke:

[jesse_s13]

0 camber front and rear. ( gotta be hella flush right?)
+5 toe front
4 caster

-5 toe rear

i work at auto zone guys , leave this thread to me.

i heard kragen guys were a bit smarter:sadwavey:

[KOME]

0 camber front and rear. ( gotta be hella flush right?)
+5 toe front
4 caster

-5 toe rear

i work at auto zone guys , leave this thread to me.

I hope this doesn't break my car...

[!Zar!]

Front
Toe 1/16 toe out
Camber -2.5*
Caster 6.5*

Rear
Toe 0
Camber 1.5
Thrust stock

Front camber should be set at whatever yields the most contact patch at lock.

Rear camber depends on setup as well. I have found that rear camber on a car can actually increase grip when the body rolls.

Caster is drivers preference.

Rear toe depends on power/tire setup.

[gobackwards]

Caster does affect the contact patch but for someone just starting to drift, it more importantly affects how the steering wheel returns imo. I like to chuck the steering wheel and feed it myself so a lower caster setting works better for me. Some people prefer to let go of the wheel and let the car transition itself. Of course there's other factors... camber/toe/tires

My setup is like..

Front
Camber -4
1/4 inch toe out
7ish caster

Rear
0 toe
-2 camber

It sucks... I need more grip

[Krimlin]

When I was running the KA:

Front:
Camber: -5.5*
Toe: 0*
Caster: OEM

Rear:
Camber: -2.5*
Toe: -2.5*
Caster: LOL*

V8:
-5.5*
0*
9

-1.5*
0*
LOL

[!Zar!]

Were you really running 2.5* toe in? Excessive.

With ls1 torque I would toe in a little bit and run a bigger/stickier tire so that speed can be increased.

Assuming you are still using s14 se's as in the picture...

[pink godzila]

I do toe out in front and toe in in rear... I dont know why so many people do zero toe all around.

[ZX88]

front camber; -3.5
Front toe 0
Front caster: stock

Rear Camber: -2
rear toe 0

[!Zar!]

I do toe out in front and toe in in rear... I dont know why so many people do zero toe all around.

Toe out up front I like for the turn in and steering it give me when I'm doing da driftings.

Zero toe in rear allows frees up a little traction when compared to running toe. So it helps the lesser horsepower cars out. But as I said, it doesn't do much for increasing speed/stability.

[gobackwards]

I do toe out in front and toe in in rear... I dont know why so many people do zero toe all around.

track/street probably. Shit kinda turns itself with front toe out.

[Krimlin]

Were you really running 2.5* toe in? Excessive.

With ls1 torque I would toe in a little bit and run a bigger/stickier tire so that speed can be increased.

Assuming you are still using s14 se's as in the picture...

Yep, stock KA with that much toe = pedal to the floor/top of 3rd/nice sustainable and controlable angle

But that's just me

[fckillerbee]

I do toe out in front and toe in in rear... I dont know why so many people do zero toe all around.


not everyone is a boss mmmkay. lol

[ayororo]

Hey guys my caster on the drivers side front is like closer to the door than the other side.

Cant make uturns without hitting wheel well (turning left)

and when i pull tire hits my side skirt.

is adjusting the caster possible on oem tension rods?

[naw_speed]

no adjustments on OE tension rods

[naw_speed]

just got mine align today. this is what i,m runnin.

wheels: 18x 9.5 +20 with 225/40s fenders rolled and pulled (no spacers)

front
camber -1.4 wish had more at least -2
caster 8
toe .05

rear
camber -1.2
toe .12

everything within OE spec except front caster. was runnin f/caster at 10 felt to be too much and rubbed f/fenders. this is my DD and street brawler. third gear pulls are smooth. i don,t like tire wear on my DD tires so i try to stay as close to OE specs as possible.

[rage]

Hey guys my caster on the drivers side front is like closer to the door than the other side.

Cant make uturns without hitting wheel well (turning left)

and when i pull tire hits my side skirt.

is adjusting the caster possible on oem tension rods?

prob bent control arm

[niteridaz503]

Front
Toe 1/16 toe out
Camber -2.5*
Caster 6.5*

Rear
Toe 0
Camber 1.5
Thrust stock

Front camber should be set at whatever yields the most contact patch at lock.

Rear camber depends on setup as well. I have found that rear camber on a car can actually increase grip when the body rolls.

Caster is drivers preference.

Rear toe depends on power/tire setup.

Zar how much power were you putting down with this set up?

When I was running the KA:

Front:
Camber: -5.5*
Toe: 0*
Caster: OEM

Rear:
Camber: -2.5*
Toe: -2.5*
Caster: LOL*



Krimlin, how easier was it to drive/drift with your setup?

[Couped_up'd]

Lower car..

Toe set straight

add camber front

Take camber out rear

go drifting...

profit

It is simple if you don't think about it.

[foreverdark]

What size wheels and tire are you running?

I always run
Front:
Caster 7.25
Camber -4.5
Toe 0

Rear:
-0.5 Camber
Slight toe in rear.

Sr20det
17x9 0 offset 235 40 17 front and rear.

[niteridaz503]

ME? mostly stockers as drift spares nothing fancy or wider than 8.5