full build questions

[Silvia716]

So I was planning on getting an engine this summer to do a full build and I came up with a few choices of engines price is a factor I can get these engines for about 1k a peice witch do you think is best to get the most power out of for the lowest amount of money

Vg30de/tt

Ca18de/t

Rb20det

[ellococt]

I'm poor so rb20det requires less mods to get it in the car, but parts are a bit more expensive then ca or vg30 If the engine breaks down. Not to mention the sexy inline 6 sound

[jholman]

Those are three odd motor choices...Out of the three the best bet for power would be the VG30DETT but none of those are gonna be cheap to get in.

Why not just do an SR or keep the KA

[Silvia716]

I'm not concerned about a break down, I just want the most HP for the least amount of money and its going to be like a new engine anyways after the rebuild. I must say inline 6es do sound sexy tho lol

[PoorMans180SX]

So you want a cheap engine to fully build? Why not put a little more investment in and start out with something that will make decent power?

You going to get the cheapest engine parts possible too?

[vas570sx]

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[Silvia716]

So you want a cheap engine to fully build? Why not put a little more investment in and start out with something that will make decent power?

You going to get the cheapest engine parts possible too?

I'll probly spend 2k on pistons and rods and get the crank shaft balanced and all hks for the top end

[vas570sx]

for the money you'll spend on all that, just get a v8 and you're set.

[Silvia716]

I hate hotroding tuners so I think ill leave the ls1 in my camaro lol

[Okinawandrifter87]

Just save your money and dont cheap out on parts that have no redeeming qualities. Don't look at what's cheapest right now, look at the long run. Either cheap out right now and build it twice or multiple times, or save your money and invest in quality parts that will last and pay off for what you paid for in the long run.

[jesse_s13]

typpooooo.....

[jesse_s13]

I hate hotroding tuners so I think ill leave the ls1 in my camaro lol
loled at this.

[Silvia716]

Just save your money and dont cheap out on parts that have no redeeming qualities. Don't look at what's cheapest right now, look at the long run. Either cheap out right now and build it twice or multiple times, or save your money and invest in quality parts that will last and pay off for what you paid for in the long run.

I'm getting a cheap engine because I'm doing a full build so when I'm done it will be like new even if I spend 500 on pistons and connecting rods forged is still better than oem I'm going to build one of these engines either way so you can add your advice to do so or shut your mouth

[Okinawandrifter87]

I'm getting a cheap engine because I'm doing a full build so when I'm done it will be like new even if I spend 500 on pistons and connecting rods forged is still better than oem I'm going to build one of these engines either way so you can add your advice to do so or shut your mouth

Woah woah woah. Easy there Lone Ranger. Before you get your panties in a bunch. I was respectfully trying to give you advice since in your original post you obviously did not state any of the info given. But now since your back on your high horse and have your attitude I further more have advice to add.

Haha well before I "shut my mouth" as your saying. How about you fucking hit the search button before you look stupid like you already are for asking a question like this. I was giving friendly advice to help you out nor was I flaming but how your coming about this is making you look really stupid right now.

2nd off building motors is not cheap. "Wanting the most hp for the lowest amount of money" like you said is sounding like how many knock off parts can I buy to get the most amount of money. I understand that not everyone is baller and has a budget as I am not one of those people nor claim to be. But before you flame people for helping you out how about you go to google, a search bar thats on the menu above, or even a forum specifically for those cars or motors and see how easy it is to extract power out of those motors for your build, for your needs.

Either way you are going to build one of those motors so either search more instead of asking a question that sounds like every newb asking a question when it can be easily answered or shut your mouth.

Respectfully,
Friendly fellow Zilvian

[Silvia716]

So you want a cheap engine to fully build? Why not put a little more investment in and start out with something that will make decent power?

You going to get the cheapest engine parts possible too?
Now Okinawandrifter87 pay attention cuz your saying the same shit he said and your not giving advice when your telling me to get something different and I'm not going to Google this and get out dated results and in accurate info I want advice from people that have experience with these engines not go get a v8 or save up for an rb26 or 2jz, and espicaly don't tell me don't cheap out on parts cuz a full build eathier way is going to cost at least 4k said and done so shut your mouth


Silvia716

[Okinawandrifter87]

Now Okinawandrifter87 pay attention cuz your saying the same shit he said and your not giving advice when your telling me to get something different and I'm not going to Google this and get out dated results and in accurate info I want advice from people that have experience with these engines not go get a v8 or save up for an rb26 or 2jz, and espicaly don't tell me don't cheap out on parts cuz a full build eathier way is going to cost at least 4k said and done so shut your mouth


Silvia716

Yes Silvia716 I am paying attention. This is true I was not giving advice when I said that and I admit that, however I said that because you did not provide as much info in the OP as you needed to as you explain more and more in your on going posts.

Now pay attention as well. I said get something different cause you did not say in your OP what your "full build" consists of. Im not saying your one of them or a newb but so many newbs join this forum and tell us they're fantasy dream list or fantasy full build ask questions then never build or do basic mods.

No one here can read your mind what your full build is. Before you jump the gun and flame you really need to be thorough with what your doing, what you've done to research it, and more specific questions like " hey I plan on doing a full build with these parts, money is not an issue in the long run, Ive searched these sites or used these key words.. can anyone give me advice or even at least point me in the right direction of where i should start looking?"

not

"So I was planning on getting an engine this summer to do a full build and I came up with a few choices of engines price is a factor I can get these engines for about 1k a peice witch do you think is best to get the most power out of for the lowest amount of money

Vg30de/tt

Ca18de/t

Rb20det"

Cause in post #14 you clearly state how the full build is going to cost at least 4k minimum insinuating that money is clearly going to be spent since its a full build yet in post #1 you state with a few choices of engines price is a factor? Either way whatever your story is or case. Either punctuate a little more properly ( im not saying be perfect) or figure out what you want better.

And no one said get an RB or 2jz or anything. I clearly stated go to a forum specific to these cars that have these motors or motors besides this one since you did not find the info you were looking for on this site. Because you clearly want advice that is specific to your "full build" that is specific with these engines that is why I said look at other forums cause not all but a majority of the people on here do not have those motor swaps. Not saying there are none, just saying it is more limited on this forum. Either way search more.

Im not here to flame on you just the way your coming across is, your expecting help yet your not showing what you've done on your part to help us help you out, and the moment someone says something you don't like whether it's me or another zilvian you get your guard up or start flamin other people your self.

[mr_eh]

a full build with what *mother fucking* drivetrain is going to cost 4k?

[PoorMans180SX]

Now Okinawandrifter87 pay attention cuz your saying the same shit he said and your not giving advice when your telling me to get something different and I'm not going to Google this and get out dated results and in accurate info I want advice from people that have experience with these engines not go get a v8 or save up for an rb26 or 2jz, and espicaly don't tell me don't cheap out on parts cuz a full build eathier way is going to cost at least 4k said and done so shut your mouth


Silvia716

Don't like criticism?

Want someone to spoon feed you information?

Zilvia is not the place for you. I'm sure Nico will welcome you with open arms.

Fully built KA24DE will outperform all of those.:squintd:

[Okinawandrifter87]

www.google.com (http://www.google.com)

Your best friend as so far we prove not to be to you :)

[Silvia716]

I'm not trying to flame it just seems like a lot of people on here forget the main question and say what they would like to do if they had funds. The reason for the engines is that they are 1k I don't want to spend 3k on an engine then 5k to build I looking for about 4-6k total for the build and this is not a dream I have 3 other cars and 2 jobs so its gonna happen and this forum deals with the cars that theese engines come in the 180sx 300zx and skyline

[Silvia716]

Don't like criticism?

Want someone to spoon feed you information?

Zilvia is not the place for you. I'm sure Nico will welcome you with open arms.

Fully built KA24DE will outperform all of those.:squintd:

I haven't seen a 700hp ka on here yet but I did see shoguns 700hp ca18 and my friend has ka24et at 20psi and he's only pushing 350 to the tires

[PoorMans180SX]

I haven't seen a 700hp ka on here yet but I did see shoguns 700hp ca18 and my friend has ka24et at 20psi and he's only pushing 350 to the tires

700hp from like 6500-8500rpm. Lag monster.

And there is something wrong with your buddies setup.

Head over to KA-t.org and you will see how much power the KA can put down.

You can get a KA for $500 too, Just trying to save you money ;)

[waxball88]

I'm getting a cheap engine because I'm doing a full build so when I'm done it will be like new even if I spend 500 on pistons and connecting rods forged is still better than oem I'm going to build one of these engines either way so you can add your advice to do so or shut your mouth
You mean 500 for just pistons and another 2-400 for rods. Then 500ish(probably more) for just the machine work, hot-tank, hone, ring fit, wrist pins pressed in, crank balance, bearings checked, etc.

There goes more than half of a 2k budget.

[PoorMans180SX]

You mean 500 for just pistons and another 2-400 for rods. Then 500ish(probably more) for just the machine work, hot-tank, hone, ring fit, wrist pins pressed in, crank balance, bearings checked, etc.

There goes more than half of a 2k budget.

No good forged piston/rod combo has a press fit wrist pin silly :rofl:

[jacobs13]

Shoguns motor cost him a little more than the 5-7k you wanna spend. Stop being ignorant and listen to these people that actually know what they are talking about. IMO a ka is your best bet.

[word sux]

ka or sr


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[Okinawandrifter87]

My man Jacobs13 even has or recently had a SR block that just needed a simple rebuild for a 100 bucks. Way better than a 1000 dollar motor esp when your going to rebuild it and give it a "full build" anyway.

[word sux]

My man Jacobs13 even has or recently had a SR block that just needed a simple rebuild for a 100 bucks. Way better than a 1000 dollar motor esp when your going to rebuild it and give it a "full build" anyway.


this + neo vvl head = win

[jacobs13]

I still got it, and buy racer98's ve head for 900 and bam theres your 1000 just like you wanted to spend except now its beast. Shit I kinda wanna do it

[Okinawandrifter87]

See this went from you better be wearing a fully retardant flame suit to us still trying to help you. Its not a bad deal there. 1000 bucks and you can still go the full build route cause you said earlier that the only reason you had those choice of engines was cause price is a factor. Well there it is! Snatch it up!

[Silvia716]

is it an s14 block? cuz i have a 95 s14 with a 98 sr20det every thing is done besides the bottom end and i was gunna do a full build this summer and pull that in the winter but if i can get the block for 100$ ill just do that this summer

[jacobs13]

No its an s13

[steve shadows]

I would think with the level of support and decently priced parts out there now the sr20det would still be the best bet and easiest to build. I looked at the CA18 pretty seriously for a while for a new build that is being planned also but still on the fence. The nice thing about the CA is it's extremely light, has an iron block and can be easily bored out to 1.9+ litres with a valve train that can handle much higher revs stock than the sr...

[statickx991]

honestly if you still have the ka id just put rods and pistons on it and then slap a turbo kit on it. no hassle getting parts for the ka

[Silvia716]

I would think with the level of support and decently priced parts out there now the sr20det would still be the best bet and easiest to build. I looked at the CA18 pretty seriously for a while for a new build that is being planned also but still on the fence. The nice thing about the CA is it's extremely light, has an iron block and can be easily bored out to 1.9+ litres with a valve train that can handle much higher revs stock than the sr...
Solid advice, and i all ready have an sr i wanted somthing different i was planing to build an s13 coupe i want the engine first this time tho


honestly if you still have the ka id just put rods and pistons on it and then slap a turbo kit on it. no hassle getting parts for the ka
No i bought my 240 as a shell and imported an sr20

[statickx991]

Solid advice, and i all ready have an sr i wanted somthing different i was planing to build an s13 coupe i want the engine first this time tho



No i bought my 240 as a shell and imported an sr20


slap a ej25 in that bitch lol. honestly out of the 3 you picked id pick the rb20. more torque then sr plus still have high rpms.

[DeathMetal]

I haven't seen a 700hp ka on here yet but I did see shoguns 700hp ca18 and my friend has ka24et at 20psi and he's only pushing 350 to the tires

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-LFECM-OH0
lol

[Silvia716]

I would think with the level of support and decently priced parts out there now the sr20det would still be the best bet and easiest to build. I looked at the CA18 pretty seriously for a while for a new build that is being planned also but still on the fence. The nice thing about the CA is it's extremely light, has an iron block and can be easily bored out to 1.9+ litres with a valve train that can handle much higher revs stock than the sr...

typo on first one



wight is not a big factor gunna have her set up for strip

[statickx991]

YouTube - Import DPS 7 Second KA24 Turbo 1000 HP Courtesy of JRSpeed.COM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-LFECM-OH0)
lol

you seen ivans ka-t right?
YouTube - Ivans Turbo 240SX KA-T (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-tQIAlCC9A)

i belive its 1200whp but doesnt get off the line to good so hes only running 8s i believe is his best. which is still awesome lol

[Silvia716]

No its an s13
Is it complete with a crank rods and pistons?

[jacobs13]

Yeah it is, oil pans too

[Silvia716]

Is that 100 shipped

[Okinawandrifter87]

Shipping would be like another 120. I know this because I was suppose to buy it lol. But I think you should def buy it not that im promoting a shameless plug in this thread ;)

[Okinawandrifter87]

Cough * http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/367458-sr-short-block.html * Cough

[Silvia716]

My one friend talked me in to getting an Sr20det Gtir awd and build that and Im bout to go an s13 coupe tommaro I need a good awd car for the winter lol but I have an other friend that wants the block so ill c what's up for that price

[jacobs13]

Sorry man blocks pending finally to a local buyer, but shipping did almost make it not worth and with the mail losing now 3 of my packages I officially hate shipping stuff, they dont understand that I want to drive my car haha

[DeathMetal]

KA-T.org - The Home of 1000+ whp/7 sec Turbo KA's (http://ka-t.org/ramon_r.php)

[Silvia716]

Sorry man blocks pending finally to a local buyer, but shipping did almost make it not worth and with the mail losing now 3 of my packages I officially hate shipping stuff, they dont understand that I want to drive my car haha

Whell if it doesn't go threw my boy differently wants it so let me kno