Vasectomy? Yay or Nay?

[trigjones]

Ok, I am hoping that I can get some feedback from guys in their later 20's, early 30's that have had this done...

So, for starters, I am 27, turning 28 in 6 months. I've never been married, or came even close to the idea, and I've dated a lot, had a couple of long term relationships, as long as 4 years. I am very outgoing, not a shut in, and have a stable career, etc. No strange living in my mom's basement tendencies. I have never had an interest in kids. I like 'em, and they like me. I have that whole nurturing instinct, but don't ever want to deal with the responsibility. I decided at 17 I didn't want kids, and haven't changed my mind for the last decade.

Babies, especially, gross me the F out. I think they are one of the ugliest things on the planet behind manatees. I don't think there is a "miracle of childbirth", you had sex, that's the result. 18-25 years of responsibility. I'd rather live a simple life of just me and my girl, or wife if it comes to that. I want to explore the world, and have all the free time I want with my partner.

I never want to travel to Disneyland, or drop my kid off at their first day of school. All that sounds really great for some people, but like a waste of time and money for me. I don't need to relive those experiences, and I am 100% positive if I never have kids, I won't regret making that choice.

If I did have kids, however, I would adopt. And only adopt. I think that its selfish to reproduce when there are kids out there in shitty foster homes that need good parents.

The main reason I don't want kids are...
A. I hear this a lot. "I am good looking, so I want to have a kid because they will be cute/hot." I hear this reason a lot from women. I don't really care what my genes + someone else's will create.
B. I don't need someone to carry on the family name, plenty of Joneses out there.
C. Because I wasn't raised in a very good family environment, quite the opposite, I don't think I would be able to provide a good foundation for a kid to grow up normal.


So, are there any guys out there that have normal lives, ie job, hobbies, and a wife that passed up raising a family and feel good about it? Regrets, thoughts, anything.... I have my opinion, but since I am making an appt this month to get snipped, I want to make sure I have as many viewpoints as possible.

[dsastr_clan]

i think the same way as you do but i dont think you should do a vasectomy at least for now maybe later down the road, but number one it will influence in your love life for sure it will be hard for a woman to take seriously and adapt to you from the beginning of the relationship rather also i hava heard that in some cases a vasectomy can get very painful

[EhrikETFG]

how does having a vasectomy influence your love life? your just sore for awhile and then everything is cool lol

[ESmorz]

how does having a vasectomy influence your love life? your just sore for awhile and then everything is cool lol

Women in their late 20's - early 30's are usually quite aware that their biological clock is ticking, and are frantically looking for just about any stable and working dick to plant inside them.

So, just don't tell them about the vasectomy till later on.

[dsastr_clan]

how does having a vasectomy influence your love life? your just sore for awhile and then everything is cool lol

what Esmore said

[trigjones]

Every recent girlfriend has said they'd leave if they knew kids weren't in the future. My sister asked "What happens if you meet the right girl and she wants to have kids?" Told her the right girl for me doesn't want kids either.

In response to Dsastar, if I haven't changed my mind yet in 10 years, despite tons of conversations and research, why wait till I'm 30? I can't see anything changing mentally between now and then...

Am I doomed by my biological clock, will i hit 40 and all of a sudden realize I'll die alone and really want kids, or do I just try life without 'em? 90% of the world has families, and most lead predictable lives, but I am always wondering where things will go if I change it up.

[dsastr_clan]

^ because sometimes it gets too freaking painful (congestive epididymitis), jump on the health forums and look it up in cases people reverse the vasectomy but that messes with your ..ahem performance and such. You dont want to have those issues now when you are young, maybe when you are old and cant get it up anymore LOLZ

[trigjones]

I hadn't heard about that side effect, I'll look it up though.

I read a story on here about the dude who never told his gf about his vasectomy till after she got preggers. I usually have a convo with everyone I date about birth control. If they say they would never have an abortion or take Plan B, I don't date them or sleep with them, condom or not.

[reed1285]

i have two coworkers (both of which are early 30's) who had it done who said if they had it to do over again they wouldnt do it...they said it was painful and since you are awake during the whole procedure (even tho it only takes 10-15 mns) it made them sick to their stomach and one even said he started to gag lol....u cant see whats going on down there when they do it....but you know whats happening. and they both agreed that afterwards it "makes them feel like less of a man shooting blanks"

ive also been told that its harder to get insurance to approve it if youve never had kids. and thats its easier for you to get it done if you have a couple of kids.

good luck with your decision

[deolio]

they are reversible right? if you change your mind get it reversed. or freeze some of your sperm and have your partner's egg artificially inseminated.

i'd say go for it. if you don't want kids right now and you get a girl pregnant odds are you're going to be a shitty parent. the word doesn't need any more shitty parents that aren't ready for the responsibility of a child or can't financially afford it.



i'd find :wackit: boring if it didn't make a mess all over my gf's :p though...

[Wake]

my dad had a vasectomy, says he got it right with me doesnt need another.

Anyway they arent that bad or painful, they are reversible and it ensures that you get to live the life you wanted. I have also been considering this for a couple years especially since i dont even know any chicks i would want to have a kid with let alone be connected to them somehow for the rest of my life.

My plan was to get some sperm frozen then get a vasectomy, then when and if i do get married/find a partner we can just get her inseminated and we are good to go.

[trigjones]

i have two coworkers (both of which are early 30's) who had it done who said if they had it to do over again they wouldnt do it...they said it was painful and since you are awake during the whole procedure (even tho it only takes 10-15 mns) it made them sick to their stomach and one even said he started to gag lol....u cant see whats going on down there when they do it....but you know whats happening. and they both agreed that afterwards it "makes them feel like less of a man shooting blanks".

good luck with your decision

First off, thanks for all the great responses. I briefly considered throwing this up on 4chan, glad I didn't. Last surgery was on my hand, and I was awake and could feel the scapel going in... was creepy, I started to hyper ventilate, but as soon as they turned off the jazz music I was fine.

I've heard about the less of a man stuff, I feel pretty detached from life in general, only concern would be drunk sex with a random from a bar wouldn't be as fun if I wasn't worried about a phone call months later.... but I also want to responsible, especially at my age. Not sure if my potency or ability to reproduce matters

[raz0rbladez909]

Women in their late 20's - early 30's are usually quite aware that their biological clock is ticking, and are frantically looking for just about any stable and working dick to plant inside them.

So, just don't tell them about the vasectomy till later on.

He speaks the truth, my wifes friend is fucking nuts and is just like desperate to get knocked up she doesn't care if the guy stays around or not. lol

[dsastr_clan]

He speaks the truth, my wifes friend is fucking nuts and is just like desperate to get knocked up she doesn't care if the guy stays around or not. lol

if she is cute give her my number if not have her bring me a 30 pack first

[Pure_JDM]

If you have to post this question on a car forum, then I would advise a vasectomy...

[xpertsnowcarver]

^^ Hahaha. Moted!!

I think you guys should to leave your nuts alone.... Put 'em to use, donate some cream. Haha

[trigjones]

If you have to post this question on a car forum, then I would advise a vasectomy...

I could ask my friends, which I've done, and ask all the people i know with kids. This is the only forum I'm ever on anyway.

[raz0rbladez909]

if she is cute give her my number if not have her bring me a 30 pack first

There is a reason I said desperate ;)

[FRpilot]

Women in their late 20's - early 30's are usually quite aware that their biological clock is ticking, and are frantically looking for just about any stable and working dick to plant inside them.


true... most chicks know they don't have much time to have kids compared to a man (who can be 70 and still make babies, although i don't know why a dude would want to be a father at 70). the older women get, the harder it is to get pregnant and also higher risk for their new born to have problems like down syndrome.

[HyperTek]

my hats off to you for being responsible. i know too many people who have kids from the first fuck.. they dont look happy. The only people I see who look remotely happy are the slightly older couples in thier late 20s /early 30s having children when they are financially fit. Shit you see alot of women just let themselves go after settling down after the first kid.. that sucks. or even both male and female start to look like shit, gain weight and then your stuck if things dont work out with her and your now fat.

Shit your 27, im gonna be 27 in 2 months, sometimes talking to people makes me feel late in the game, but ff em. Kids are not for everyone. At least not now.

[dominic52]

so unnatural...

[Banana_Cute]

Hey my neighbor is looking for new owners of their litter.

Seems to me, you're gonna need a few. j/k

but on a real note.

I say do it, I mean its good you're thinking ahead. Though it might not be such in the positive side, atleast you wont be those other people that bones and will jst leave his wife and kid because he didnt want it to happen.

Gotta say though im 24 with a 12 month old. Its a life changing situation, depending on how you look at it. Cant complain my lil dude following me to the garage and wrenching away already. Following you around everywhere you go.

I guess you just do you. I mean its always the same meaning when they say " to each on its own"..when it comes to life, car, career.

GL.

[raz0rbladez909]

so unnatural...

You know in every post you've made you haven't said anything more than 2 or 3 words, quit postwhoring it up if you have nothing to contribute.

[JVD]

Sounds like you've got a case of the uglies.

[trigjones]

my hats off to you for being responsible. i know too many people who have kids from the first fuck.. they dont look happy. The only people I see who look remotely happy are the slightly older couples in thier late 20s /early 30s having children when they are financially fit. Shit you see alot of women just let themselves go after settling down after the first kid.. that sucks. or even both male and female start to look like shit, gain weight and then your stuck if things dont work out with her and your now fat.


I am a self described fatist, and I have a hard enough time staying fit now that my metabolism is starting to slow down, and f*ck if I'm gonna be stuck with a whale just because its either put up with it and stay, or leave and pay child support.

I've seen posts/dating ads on Craigslist by girls saying "when you are in love, weight shouldn't matter".


Gotta say though im 24 with a 12 month old. Its a life changing situation, depending on how you look at it. Cant complain my lil dude following me to the garage and wrenching away already. Following you around everywhere you go.

I guess you just do you. I mean its always the same meaning when they say " to each on its own"..when it comes to life, car, career.

GL.

I freaking love my nephew, and have an awesome time hanging out with him (he's 4 now), and its cool carrying him around on my shoulder, going to the park, but by the 2nd day, I'm hounding my sister to take him back. If I had to pick between going to a cool new brewery with my girl on the weekend, or staying in with your kid, I'm always gonna pick the one that leaves me hungover the next morning...


Gotta say though im 24 with a 12 month old. Its a life changing situation, depending on how you look at it. Cant complain my lil dude following me to the garage and wrenching away already. Following you around everywhere you go.

I guess you just do you. I mean its always the same meaning when they say " to each on its own"..when it comes to life, car, career.

GL.

I freaking love my nephew, and have an awesome time hanging out with him (he's 4 now), and its cool carrying him around on my shoulder, going to the park, but by the 2nd day, I'm hounding my sister to take him back. If I had to pick between going to a cool new brewery with my girl on the weekend, or staying in with your kid, I'm always gonna pick the one that leaves me hungover the next morning...

Odds are, with our genetics, we would just have little blonde hair blue eyed kids running around, and they'd become neo-Nazis.

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[flip3d]

I think everyone should get a vasectomy. We don't need anymore little dumb shits running around.

[upsdude]

vasectomy or not, don't have kids. your attitude towards them would make you a shitty dad. that and the fact that you've got a history of family problems...if anything you'd be punishing an innocent person by bringing him/her into this world.

[singlecamslam]

I think everyone should get a vasectomy. We don't need anymore little dumb shits running around.

Yes, someone make that your sig. NOW.

[SochBAT]

I'd totally do it, but I like giving girls goop. F'real.

[ericcastro]

If you really thought that way, you would have done it or wouldnt need to ask questions about it.

Somewhere in you, there is doubt.

[Matej]

Odds are, with our genetics, we would just have little blonde hair blue eyed kids running around, and they'd become neo-Nazis.
Blonde people and blue eyed people are the only two races that are dying out, instead of multiplying rapidly like everyone else.
Do your part.

[sw20>>s14]

why wait till I'm 30? I can't see anything changing mentally between now and then...



youd be surprised how things just flip like switches in our heads (e.g. think immature adolescent mentality entering adulthood, etc.)

I freaking love my nephew, and have an awesome time hanging out with him (he's 4 now), and its cool carrying him around on my shoulder, going to the park, but by the 2nd day, I'm hounding my sister to take him back. If I had to pick between going to a cool new brewery with my girl on the weekend, or staying in with your kid, I'm always gonna pick the one that leaves me hungover the next morning...

i understand that mentalities towards children are purely preference and definitely respect that in your situation, up until this post...no disrespect in anyway, but in my opinion from this post, it just sounds like you have some growing up to do and may need to be more receptive to greater things in life...

i do understand where you are coming from though...maybe on some level you arent adverse to having kids, but just overly paranoid (almost over compulsive) about having them unexpectedly/irresponsibly...so thats why you resent the idea so much?

all your posts have the context of you having a kid right now and "robbing" you of your experiences...hell, i dont want a kid now either, but later on in life (maybe in 6+ years), its not even a question that i will...so i dont understand the "now or never" urgency...why cant you responsibly have a kid 5-10 years from now...goals, priorities, and attitudes towards things like this are ever changing...i wouldnt be too hasty...

especially since you mentioned that your dream girl would be a woman that also does not want a kid...talking out of my ass (no disrespect if i offend anyone or anyones significant other), but id hate to meet the girl along with her baggage or "issues" that actually doesnt want a kid...not being sexist, its innate with women on a biological level and if they dont have the inclination or affinity towards motherhood/nurturing, id hate to see what other wires have been crossed...again, no disrespect, i know plenty of women and family members that fall under this category, but they either seem very unfulfilled with life or just not all there...

[KiLLeR2001]

^ hit 'em wit da truf!!!

[Brian]

I would like to say that the original post really made me chuckle.

[Tantwoforty]

i want one and im only 21

[BOROSUN]

no more jizz in your pants for you.

[axiomatik]

Your priorities and desires do change over the years. I have a coworker who is 45, almost all his life he had no interest in kids or even getting married. Didn't plan on ever getting married. Then he met the person that was right for him, got married, and at about age 40, had a kid. Now he talks about his kid all the time, is den leader for his son's Cub Scouts, etc.

I was never to interested in having kids. My brother and sister are 13 and 15 years younger than me, I grew up with babies in the house and had no interest in repeating that. But now I have a 4 year old and a 6 month old, and your attitude really changes when they are *your* kids. Can the be annoying? Definitely. Do I sometimes want to punch a wall? Sure. But when they smile at you, you forget all that bs.

[Banana_Cute]

Can the be annoying? Definitely. Do I sometimes want to punch a wall? Sure. But when they smile at you, you forget all that bs.

So fucking true man.

[raz0rbladez909]

I'd totally do it, but I like giving girls goop. F'real.

no more jizz in your pants for you.

There has been some misinformation throughout this thread but heres the good news, you can still give em the goop, and jizz in your pants; It just won't have any little swimmers in it.:wackit::wackit::wackit::wackit::wackit:

[BoostSlideWayz]

Dude most women will not even consider marriage unless theres a chance of a baby.. Idk why but women love babies.... Literally .... if i ever had that done my girl would leave me because she always talks about us having a family . and ive messed with her saying what if i dont want kids ? and she literally says * i guess ill have to get fertalized then ... some girls are just determined to have em. But if you really look you will find some girl whos down to have a marriage with out any children.

[trigjones]

youd be surprised how things just flip like switches in our heads (e.g. think immature adolescent mentality entering adulthood, etc.)



i understand that mentalities towards children are purely preference and definitely respect that in your situation, up until this post...no disrespect in anyway, but in my opinion from this post, it just sounds like you have some growing up to do and may need to be more receptive to greater things in life...

i do understand where you are coming from though...maybe on some level you arent adverse to having kids, but just overly paranoid (almost over compulsive) about having them unexpectedly/irresponsibly...so thats why you resent the idea so much?

all your posts have the context of you having a kid right now and "robbing" you of your experiences...hell, i dont want a kid now either, but later on in life (maybe in 6+ years), its not even a question that i will...so i dont understand the "now or never" urgency...why cant you responsibly have a kid 5-10 years from now...goals, priorities, and attitudes towards things like this are ever changing...i wouldnt be too hasty...

This definitely made me take a step back and reconsider. Ya, I am selfish and irresponsible, but as a kid I had to grow up really quick and do most stuff kids shouldn't have to deal with, such as taking care of my brothers and sisters (buying groceries with my own money) when I was 12 and my mom was battling breast cancer, helping her with morphine injections (for pain, not to get high) when I was 16 and it showed up again, then losing her when I was a senior in high school.

Beyond a long laundry list of other traumatic events, I felt like I got robbed of those care-free years when I was younger, and am highly resistant to the idea of giving those up. 99% of the girls I met wouldn't qualify as long term girlfriends, spouses if out of the question, and as mothers, I wouldn't want to be within a mile of the cluster-F that would be...

The current one however, is that really special chick... and maybe kids are one of those life experiences that you should have, and avoiding it might be robbing yourself of something truly unique.

Blonde people and blue eyed people are the only two races that are dying out, instead of multiplying rapidly like everyone else.
Do your part.


We both want halfie's if we have kids, one twinkie, one oreo. I don't know how we are going to arrange this...

[exitspeed]

Babies, especially, gross me the F out. I think they are one of the ugliest things on the planet behind manatees. I don't think there is a "miracle of childbirth", you had sex, that's the result. 18-25 years of responsibility. I'd rather live a simple life of just me and my girl, or wife if it comes to that. I want to explore the world, and have all the free time I want with my partner.


lol. This is so fucked up, but funny to me too. I always wanted kids, but was never a "kid" kinda person. Like other people's kids I'm like eh. I still am actually. My kid is different though.

I have no advice for you and I really wouldn't seek this kind of advice on a car forum like Zilvia. Maybe a gay ass VW forum yeah, but not Zilvia.

[WanganRunner]

Women in their late 20's - early 30's are usually quite aware that their biological clock is ticking, and are frantically looking for just about any stable and working dick to plant inside them.

So, just don't tell them about the vasectomy till later on.


trollololol

[ka24debt]

The current one however, is that really special chick... and maybe kids are one of those life experiences that you should have, and avoiding it might be robbing yourself of something truly unique.


+1 this is why you shouldnt do it. if your having some sort of doubt about doing it then you shouldnt. as long as you and your partner are happy with your choice and you have no regrets thats all that matters

[TurboSE]

I'm 30, got one last year. I'm a pretty normal guy...I do tend to be serial dater though. That said, I still use protection 99% of the time. I did it because I feel the same about kids as you do. Also, I'm fickle and I can't see myself liking, loving or tolerating anyone for 18 years. I'm also selfish, I like my life and I'm not gonna roll the dice because it's what I'm "supposed to do." I'm 30, I don't want to be 50 when I have my life back. Adoption - I can always adopt if my mood changes, there are plenty of great kids in bad situations, i can help them if I ever feel the need. Last, at my age, most girls I meet already have 1 or 2 kids and they're not in the market for more...the ones that are, I don't trust enough to believe them when they say "I'll stay on the pill until you're ready."

First, the procedure. It's the easiest surgery ever, literally 15 mins. The pain is minimal, take Friday off work, chill for the weekend, back to work Monday (Maybe Tues if you're soft or have a very active job.) Get a few bags of frozen corn from Wal-Mart ($0.88) and a case/bottle of your favorite beer/liquor respectively.

The after effects. I still think about what my kids would be named sometimes...it passes quickly. Sometimes i'm sorry I didn't give my parents a grandchild, but that's minor...I don't really know my mom and my dad has his own life. That's really about it.

The girls. if they ask, I tell em I can't have any. If they ask why, I say "It's personal." if they leave, they leave....I'm not willing to be with a girl that is only interested in me for my baby batter anyway.

That's just my 2/100th's of a dollar....follow your gut man.

[SimpleS14]

If you really thought that way, you would have done it or wouldnt need to ask questions about it.

Somewhere in you, there is doubt.

I agree.

Blonde people and blue eyed people are the only two races that are dying out, instead of multiplying rapidly like everyone else.
Do your part.

lol wut?

We both want halfie's if we have kids, one twinkie, one oreo. I don't know how we are going to arrange this...

Uh....this is a joke right? lol Just stick with your option to adopt....probably when they are 3.

Anyways, I know where you're coming from as I don't plan to get married nor do I want kids either. However I wouldn't go as far as having a vasectomy cause I never know what the future holds.

It's possible to find someone with the same feelings towards kids. I have a friend that's married to a woman that doesn't want kids and he couldn't be anymore happier. A rare find IMO, in fact he found her overseas lol

[marcencar]

Your judgment in posting this on a car site is questionable and shows the lack of common sense, if this was a serious dilemma.

A quick Google search brought up multiple health forums that are more knowledgeable and experienced about this topic. Posting this on a car site where more than half probably still live with their parents and/or still consider dropping their bare balls sack on others for fun.

So too make your decision easier as well as doing the world a favor, please do the procedure. You definitely shouldn't procreate.

[BoostSlideWayz]

I think he just wants insite from others that have the same interests as him...

bottom line, i believe its reversible so get it done. Then if you sometime down the line actually change your mind for some reason just have it reversed.

[marcencar]

I think he just wants insite from others that have the same interests as him...




Are you honestly telling me there are many others on this site that are interested in getting a vasectomy....... seriously!? lol

I bet half the kids on this site just barely had their balls drop, much less be interested in getting the cut.

[TurboSE]

...bottom line, i believe its reversible so get it done. Then if you sometime down the line actually change your mind for some reason just have it reversed.


My urologist told me "this is to be considered a permanent procedure, while it can be reversed, the chances of conception after the reversal hover around 50%."

Not saying it's impossible, just passing on his opinion. Also, if you don't have kids they probably won't do the operation...unless you lie, they don't check.

[BoostSlideWayz]

Are you honestly telling me there are many others on this site that are interested in getting a vasectomy....... seriously!? lol

I bet half the kids on this site just barely had their balls drop, much less be interested in getting the cut.

No i was saying car wise, hes a car guy asking other car people what they would do. He probably would consider other peoples opinions that share the same interests than someone who doesnt.

My urologist told me "this is to be considered a permanent procedure, while it can be reversed, the chances of conception after the reversal hover around 50%."

Not saying it's impossible, just passing on his opinion. Also, if you don't have kids they probably won't do the operation...unless you lie, they don't check.

ahh ok, well then thats just something you need to think about like a lot. I always tell my family i wont have kids but they always tell me it will most likely happen either way. but i guess if you genuinely do not want kids then just do it.

[TurboSE]

No i was saying car wise, hes a car guy asking other car people what they would do. He probably would consider other peoples opinions that share the same interests than someone who doesnt.



ahh ok, well then thats just something you need to think about like a lot. I always tell my family i wont have kids but they always tell me it will most likely happen either way. but i guess if you genuinely do not want kids then just do it.

It definitely requires a lot thought, and I understand why you asked for other peoples opinions...I did the same, I asked co-workers, but everyone's situation is different. What does your girl think (might be in the thread somewhere, I don't remember)? Bottom line, it's one of the most permanent things you can do to your body and your life, so make sure you do it for the right reasons.

[axe3112]

I am getting one but I have 3 kids.

[nathanong87]

oh man. i'd be scared

[trigjones]

It definitely requires a lot thought, and I understand why you asked for other peoples opinions...I did the same, I asked co-workers, but everyone's situation is different. What does your girl think (might be in the thread somewhere, I don't remember)? Bottom line, it's one of the most permanent things you can do to your body and your life, so make sure you do it for the right reasons.

Ya, my girl said "Why the hell did you post it in a car forum. Honestly, I don't know, most of the 240 drivers I see are around 18-22, and ya, still live with their parents. But their balls and brains function, and some of us are starting to plan out our future.

Some of the responses have been down-right ignorant or retarded (no offense to our special needs people), but there have been some f*cking gems of wisdom on here, and its all appreciated.

It definitely requires a lot thought, and I understand why you asked for other peoples opinions...I did the same, I asked co-workers, but everyone's situation is different. What does your girl think (might be in the thread somewhere, I don't remember)? Bottom line, it's one of the most permanent things you can do to your body and your life, so make sure you do it for the right reasons.

Ya, my girl said "Why the hell did you post it in a car forum. Honestly, I don't know, most of the 240 drivers I see are around 18-22, and ya, still live with their parents. But their balls and brains function, and some of us are starting to plan out our future.

Some of the responses have been down-right ignorant or retarded (no offense to our special needs people), but there have been some f*cking gems of wisdom on here, and its all appreciated.

[TheWolf]

I don't understand the lure of vasectomy. The procedure was invented to allow couples, who are married and have had all the kids they wanted, an alternative form of birth control. To allow the wife to be off "the pill" before she drops dead of a blood clot. Since it doesn't protect against HIV or any STD's, in the dating scene it's less than ideal.

As the old wise sage sam kinison said "If you don't trust the p**sy, why are you f**king the p**sy?"

[lewisfk]

afghan glitch

[lewisfk]

no, it doesnt matter how u feel! If u find the right woman and she has the desire to have a kid, now what! Plus i use to assist with the procedure at my clinic and its very easy to due but hard as fuck to undo regardless of the results! this comment is for anyone who is thinking of doing this!

[Bbsalexaz]

Get HER tubes tied. Women can't really feel it.... That surgery is reverseable, but at least you can make a mess and not worry about a chance of her pregnancy.

[nathanong87]

Get HER tubes tied. Women can't really feel it.... That surgery is reverseable, but at least you can make a mess and not worry about a chance of her pregnancy.

this only applies if u are married.

what about the "i'm 30 and single, and dont wanna make lots of mini-me's from all the womenz i be sleeping wifz" scenario

[axiomatik]

It's also a much more serious surgery for the woman than the man......

[theicecreamdan]

Patients do not experience difficulty achieving an erection, maintaining an erection, or ejaculating.

Vasectomy - procedure, recovery, tube, pain, complications, time, infection, operation, medication, pregnancy, heart, risk, cancer, rate, Definition, Purpose, Demographics, Description (http://www.surgeryencyclopedia.com/St-Wr/Vasectomy.html)

If making a mess is a priority, then you're still good to go.

[trigjones]

I don't understand the lure of vasectomy. The procedure was invented to allow couples, who are married and have had all the kids they wanted, an alternative form of birth control. To allow the wife to be off "the pill" before she drops dead of a blood clot. Since it doesn't protect against HIV or any STD's, in the dating scene it's less than ideal.

As the old wise sage sam kinison said "If you don't trust the p**sy, why are you f**king the p**sy?"

It would be meant, in my case, to make sure that I end up with a girl that also isn't interested in raising a family. In the dating scene, its useful only if the condom breaks or I make a stupid judgment call, which has already happened, and I've had the week of waiting while the girl decided whether to take the RU 486 pill or not.

no, it doesnt matter how u feel! If u find the right woman and she has the desire to have a kid, now what! Plus i use to assist with the procedure at my clinic and its very easy to due but hard as fuck to undo regardless of the results! this comment is for anyone who is thinking of doing this!

What now? I am assuming this means that Person A (me) is a total p*ssy that can't stand up for himself, and as soon as I meet a girl that wants a kid, I am going to allow her to tell me what to do and what path to take in life.

Any guy out here who feels they need to do what their girlfriend wants beyond reasonable requests needs to man up. Watch Fight Club and pay attention to the dialogue when they are talking about being raised by single mothers. Don't be that dude standing outside the dressing room holding the girls purse. They do that ish so they can put you on display, so every other girl there will know that you can be manipulated.

Stop doing sh*t just because its a girl saying to do it, sex isn't that special that you need to give up your balls to get laid.

[sidewaysil80]

i'm scheduled for one in march...but i also have 3 little ones. imo, just use rubbers or put bitches on the pill if your dating. but like you said, you make sure they are down with morning after pill/abortion. i don't see why you would want to do something permanent when there are plenty of other options out there.

What now? I am assuming this means that Person A (me) is a total p*ssy that can't stand up for himself, and as soon as I meet a girl that wants a kid, I am going to allow her to tell me what to do and what path to take in life.

Any guy out here who feels they need to do what their girlfriend wants beyond reasonable requests needs to man up. Watch Fight Club and pay attention to the dialogue when they are talking about being raised by single mothers. Don't be that dude standing outside the dressing room holding the girls purse. They do that ish so they can put you on display, so every other girl there will know that you can be manipulated.

Stop doing sh*t just because its a girl saying to do it, sex isn't that special that you need to give up your balls to get laid.

you really really need to re-evaluate your manhood if holding a purse for your girl makes you feel like less of a man. not too mention i believe you have some serious issues if you feel that girls do shit like that to put you on display...i feel like no matter what decision you make you'll be unhappy because you seem wayyyyyyy to selfish to maintain a successful relationship. on second thought, get snipped...it's better for everyone.

[nikkisixx69]

found it! epic vasectomy story (not that you are going to be doing this or anything)

copied and pasted from another site.................

I'll try to sum up a funny story that happened a few years ago:

I got a vasectomy.

I met a girl soon afterwards. She was nice and attractive but with a selfish streak that raised a big red flag. She was 32 at the time and I could practically HEAR her biological clock ticking. Regardless, she was a good lay, easy on the eyes, and reasonably good company.

I did NOT tell her about my vasectomy and I always used a condom with her to protect against STDs. She assumed, obviously, that the condom was only used for birth control. Silly girl.

We date for a few months. I never made any move towards commitment but she brought it up ocassionally. For me, this was a casual but pleasant relationship. For her - as I was to find out - it was part of life-changing series of events that she was planning very carefully.

Four months into dating, I get the "I'm pregnant" talk. She's going on and on about how the condom must have broke and now we really need to think about getting married "for the baby". She's positively giddy. She has a baby in her and she thinks she's gonna have a good meal ticket (me) to go along with her new 7lb annuity.

At this point, I'm just as giddy. I get to pull the reverse "oops" on her. I figured that she slept with some bad boy and got knocked up. Good thing I was using condoms! Better still that I have a serious mistrust of women who can't think beyond their own uteri.

So I wait a couple of days to "think about all this." I meet her again. I say I don't want kids and that she should have an abortion. I know where this is going and sure enough it goes there. She goes completely bat**** insane on me. There were the usual insults about my manhood. There were threats of legal action. It was all very ugly and I was loving every minute of it.

Well, I let her stew for a few days. She leaves me nasty messages on my phone. She sends awful emails. I'm laughing hysterically.

It was time to drop the hammer. While she was stewing I was busy. First I get a notarized copy from the urologist who performed the vasectomy. Next I get a notarized copy of the TWO test results indicating a "negative test result for sperm" to show I'm sterile and shooting blanks. Finally, I get a letter from a shark attorney stating he has seen the other documents and is prepared to litigate against this woman if she continues to communicate with me in such an unpleasant manner. Also, the letter states that we will insist on DNA testing to show that the baby is not mine. I'm ready.

I meet with this woman at her place. I bring flowers and a small bit of jewelry to show I am willing to reconcile and assume my responsibilities as a new father. I also have stuck in my pocket the documents I have prepared.

She's all giddy again. Her plan is going perfectly - or so she thinks. We talk about our future. We have some pretty good sex. Then, as I am about to walk out the door, I ask her the $64,000 question. "Are you sure that this baby is mine?"

Well, she goes bat**** insane again. Hell, she ought to. Her plan could completely unravel if there is ANY question about my paternity. Oh, she's really screaming now. How dare I question her morals. Do I think she's a slut. I'm just trying to weasel out of my responsibilities... blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda.

I'm not really mad. I'm kind of embarrassed for her. But since she won't shut up and the neighbors can hear all of this, I ask her to step back inside and sit down. She sits on the sofa and calms down a bit. She is glaring at me with all the moral self-righteousness that only a woman can muster up. She thinks she has me trapped. She is 100% convinced her plan has worked. Oh, the tangled web of lies and deceit she has wrought around herself and I am about to hack through them with a few pieces of paper.

I reach into my pocket slowly. I extract the three pieces of paper and unfold them slowly and deliberately.

I tell her simply, "You're screwed".

Her look doesn't change. There is no way she can fathom what I have prepared.

I continue. "I am sterile"

Her look changes just a bit. Something is beginning to sink in. Naturally, she reverts to women's logic. "You're full of ****. You're trapped and you know it."

I hold up the letter and the test results. "Three months before we met, I had a vasectomy. Here is a notarized letter from him stating what I had done. Here are two test results showing that I tested negative for the presence of sperm. Blanks. I am shooting blanks. That baby inside you is simply not mine."

This woman is not to be swayed by logic and clear documentation. "Bull****, those are fakes."

I was ready for that. "No, they are real. This last piece of paper is from my attorney. It's a simple letter to you that states if you pursue any kind of legal action against me for child support that I will insist on a DNA test to prove paternity, that is, to prove that your baby is not mine."

I give the woman all the documents. She reads them slowly, deliberately. With each passing second she can feel in her soul that she has made a very bad mistake. With denial swept away, she started to cry. It's a small cry at first. Then it becomes deeper and more painful. By the time she gets to the letter from the lawyer she is sobbing.

I had no sympathy for her. I turned and walked out the door. Even after I closed the door I could still hear her sobbing.

Epilogue -

I never heard directly from this woman again. I did hear through my friends that she did indeed have the baby. I also heard that the real father was some guy in a band she had met. I assumed that after 30, women stopped going after musicians, bikers, criminals, and thugs. Silly me for thinking the best of American women.

The Moral of the Story -

Get a vasectomy but keep it a secret.

[sidewaysil80]

^^^^lol^^^^

[thrax]

Any time you have an operation, even a minor one, there is a risk for something to go wrong. So why risk it.
You're reasoning isn't entirely true. For example
Location: Seattle, WA
you live in the US which has a negative growth rate. So the whole argument of unwanted kids doesn't fly. Without the massive flux of immigrants the US would be shrinking. On top of that you are European raced judging by your description which means you are in a shrinking racial population group as well.

[drift freaq]

What now? I am assuming this means that Person A (me) is a total p*ssy that can't stand up for himself, and as soon as I meet a girl that wants a kid, I am going to allow her to tell me what to do and what path to take in life.

Any guy out here who feels they need to do what their girlfriend wants beyond reasonable requests needs to man up. Watch Fight Club and pay attention to the dialogue when they are talking about being raised by single mothers. Don't be that dude standing outside the dressing room holding the girls purse. They do that ish so they can put you on display, so every other girl there will know that you can be manipulated.

Stop doing sh*t just because its a girl saying to do it, sex isn't that special that you need to give up your balls to get laid.

Wow lack of maturity owns you. LOL
First off all relationships are about compromise. Something that seems to be lost on you by the way you go on in this thread.
Second off, if you think everything you feel right now at the age of 27 is how you are going to feel at the age of 38? Well you are so clueless its not even funny.

Dude you have barely grown into a man at the age of 27 maturity wise.

Sorry guys but is a fact. Women usually mature emotionally fully around 24-25 guys usually 27-28.


Men do mature a lot later than women and we grow a lot wiser in our 30's.

Just because a guy is willing to go shopping with his girl or hold her purse outside a dressing room does not mean he is less of a man. It usually means he is a Gentleman and has realized relationships are about compromise.

He knows if he is willing to do that at least once in awhile he can do the things the girl may not be the least bit interested in doing.

If you think that makes him less of man? Then your lack of understanding of what makes a relationship work is phenomenal.

Oh and following Fight Club a fictional movie as grounds for how a man should conduct himself is ludicrous.

I live in Hollywood I know what film writers are like and moral compasses they are not! LOL

Oh and yes you should get a vasectomy because you would make an absolutely horrible father. Based off your own words in this thread.

[marcencar]

Honestly, I don't know, most of the 240 drivers I see are around 18-22, and ya, still live with their parents. But their balls and brains function, and some of us are starting to plan out our future.

Thanks for proving my point.

[daftphunk]

This is the off-topic section so I definitely don't see what's wrong with posting this here. It's a community nonetheless and forums are typically a decent place to get lots of advice from many different people. I frequent a sneaker forum and the front page is full of advice seeking threads, i.e. stock advice, relationships, etc. Some people post some good shit in there.

Yeah you get your troll responses but the people who are serious about answering the question usually give great answers.

As per the topic. I'm biased and want many kids so I would say no cause you'll change your mind in the future... but I like the argument that since you hate kids so much you'll be a terrible father and you should definitely do it.

[Bbsalexaz]

this only applies if u are married.

what about the "i'm 30 and single, and dont wanna make lots of mini-me's from all the womenz i be sleeping wifz" scenario


Not always, my gf is getting her tubes tied soon... She and i are relatively young. Luckily she had her mother to seek for advice.

[lewisfk]

^^ hey bro, ice cold! ice cold! your not the first guy i meet who said he is doing this for himself, i give my medical spill, my doc who is doing the procedure gives his spill and snip snip! but the harshness of your tone says alot!

[trigjones]

you really really need to re-evaluate your manhood if holding a purse for your girl makes you feel like less of a man. not too mention i believe you have some serious issues if you feel that girls do shit like that to put you on display...i feel like no matter what decision you make you'll be unhappy because you seem wayyyyyyy to selfish to maintain a successful relationship. on second thought, get snipped...it's better for everyone.


Then please explain the purpose of a girl with both hands free having the dude standing there holding her purse. If its not about the girl seeing what she can get away with, what other purpose could it possibly serve?
Am I missing something, usually I see these girls talking down to their boyfriends, the guys always have this dejected and beaten look in their eyes.


First off all relationships are about compromise. Something that seems to be lost on you by the way you go on in this thread.

Just because a guy is willing to go shopping with his girl or hold her purse outside a dressing room does not mean he is less of a man. It usually means he is a Gentleman and has realized relationships are about compromise.

He knows if he is willing to do that at least once in awhile he can do the things the girl may not be the least bit interested in doing.

If you think that makes him less of man? Then your lack of understanding of what makes a relationship work is phenomenal.

Oh and following Fight Club a fictional movie as grounds for how a man should conduct himself is ludicrous.

I live in Hollywood I know what film writers are like and moral compasses they are not! LOL


Ok, first off, I recommnded watching a SINGLE scene out of Fight Club that I thought had some note-worthy comments. I didn't say the entire movie. A single scene.

Secondly, relationships are totally about compromise. Rational compromise. I go to a certain line-dancing bar every Monday with my gf, I don't line-dance, I don't really like drinking on a Monday, but I do it cause it will make her happy. I do a lot of things that aren't my favorite activity for her benefit.

If my girl had convinced herself she would be happier if I held her purse, I still wouldn't do it. I take my girl to Nordstrom, hang out with her for an hour, help her pick out clothes, and patiently hang outside of the dressing room when she tries stuff on. I actually enjoy doing it. I will even suggest taking her there. But there are coat hooks inside the dressing room if she really needs somewhere to put her purse. Its called emasculation.

Doubtful you can provide a legitimate reason a guy should be holding a girls purse (that doesn't involve her putting on a coat, etc) that doesn't start with "because he loves me...."

Any time you have an operation, even a minor one, there is a risk for something to go wrong. So why risk it.
You're reasoning isn't entirely true. For example
Location: Seattle, WA
you live in the US which has a negative growth rate. So the whole argument of unwanted kids doesn't fly. Without the massive flux of immigrants the US would be shrinking. On top of that you are European raced judging by your description which means you are in a shrinking racial population group as well.

Good point, but I think it is gonna take me reproducing about 10,000 times before I make a dent in the population trend back towards Anglo-Saxons.

[TurboSE]

Then please explain the purpose of a girl with both hands free having the dude standing there holding her purse. If its not about the girl seeing what she can get away with, what other purpose could it possibly serve?
Am I missing something, usually I see these girls talking down to their boyfriends, the guys always have this dejected and beaten look in their eyes.

Your girlfriend, is your friend right? She just happens to have a vagina that she let's you use (whether she really enjoys it or not). You have guy friends I'd assume. What if you were in a busy mall with one of them and he said "dude, hold my bag while I go talk to this chick." You'd hold it without a thought...does that make you his bitch? Is he trying to make you his bitch? does he let you screw his mom or his sister? So why does he get special treatment when the girl you "care about" doesn't?

PS - do you wear pink shirts? I bet you do, but it's not feminine because it says "Volcom" or "DC" on it right?

Get snipped for a few reasons:

A. The world doesn't need anymore of you.
B. You probably wouldn't do your part anyway.
C. You'll deserve that empty feeling you get in 10 or 15 years.

[Banana_Cute]

I can still get you cats to accompany you for the years to come alone.

[Devius]

Im 22, got one a year ago and NEVER regretted it. best thing about it was my insurance covered it completely. Kids cost way too much to have to bother with them.

[sw20>>s14]

I can still get you cats to accompany for the years to come alone.

ive been repeating this sentence in my head about 7 times and its starting to hurt my head......

OP, i think you got what you were looking for from a car forum...do with it what you will...

[axiomatik]

Im 22, got one a year ago and NEVER regretted it. best thing about it was my insurance covered it completely. Kids cost way too much to have to bother with them.

wow, you got the operation when you were 21, and now that you are the ripe old age of 22, you look back on the vast expanse of your life and can comfortably say that you never regretted it.

*slow clap*

[SlideWell]

it might be good for you, but just remember, it will limit the women you want to grow old with, as most want to birth at least 1 child in their lifetime.

[trigjones]

Your girlfriend, is your friend right? She just happens to have a vagina that she let's you use (whether she really enjoys it or not). You have guy friends I'd assume. What if you were in a busy mall with one of them and he said "dude, hold my bag while I go talk to this chick." You'd hold it without a thought...does that make you his bitch? Is he trying to make you his bitch? does he let you screw his mom or his sister? So why does he get special treatment when the girl you "care about" doesn't?

PS - do you wear pink shirts? I bet you do, but it's not feminine because it says "Volcom" or "DC" on it right?

Get snipped for a few reasons:

A. The world doesn't need anymore of you.
B. You probably wouldn't do your part anyway.
C. You'll deserve that empty feeling you get in 10 or 15 years.

For one, I don't go to the mall. There's lots to do in Seattle otherwise. I don't go out to Olive Garden or Cheesecake Factory. I hardly ever eat at chains to begin with. And I don't wear fu*king skate clothes, I wear Rock and Republic's/Sevens/True Religion, one-off T-shirts and boutique clothes you won't ever see come out of a mall

I do plenty for both my girlfriend and my dude friends. And I asked both my current and ex, one said "Why would I ever need you to hold my purse"? She said maybe if she was tying her shoe, but thats about it. Otherwise, if we were shopping, she would put it on the coat hook inside the room. She says she knows those girls, and said they are all highly insecure, and the girls do that cause they are worried their boyfriend might get picked up by a hoochie during the 5 minutes they leave them alone.

I date confident educated women, you are more than welcome to help yourself to all the dumb girls that see purse holding as a sign of love. I'll stick with my fitness trainer girlfriend and show her love by showing up with home made cookies or spending an hour making her dinner.

[drift freaq]

For one, I don't go to the mall. There's lots to do in Seattle otherwise. I don't go out to Olive Garden or Cheesecake Factory. I hardly ever eat at chains to begin with. And I don't wear fu*king skate clothes, I wear Rock and Republic's/Sevens/True Religion, one-off T-shirts and boutique clothes you won't ever see come out of a mall

I do plenty for both my girlfriend and my dude friends. And I asked both my current and ex, one said "Why would I ever need you to hold my purse"? She said maybe if she was tying her shoe, but thats about it. Otherwise, if we were shopping, she would put it on the coat hook inside the room. She says she knows those girls, and said they are all highly insecure, and the girls do that cause they are worried their boyfriend might get picked up by a hoochie during the 5 minutes they leave them alone.

I date confident educated women, you are more than welcome to help yourself to all the dumb girls that see purse holding as a sign of love. I'll stick with my fitness trainer girlfriend and show her love by showing up with home made cookies or spending an hour making her dinner.

You know what? You base this purse holding assumption off of one girls assessment of other women. LOL One Woman's opinion.

For her to say a girl who asks you to hold her purse and sees it as them assuming its a sign of love? Is pure and utter ignorance, on her part.

I fucking love it when girls tell guys what they assume all girls do. Sometimes its right sometimes its wrong.
Like my friend who had a girl tell him that if a girl did not sleep with a guy by the third date the girl would never sleep with him. What a bunch of female assumption crap.

People, Men and Women love to assume things about they're own sex or the opposite to make themselves look superior or brighter. Its an ego game.

Fact is for every assumption of standard behavior there is for men or woman there are deviations from the norm.

While some stuff may be considered common unless there is scientific proof i.e. a controlled study proving it.
Its all just someones un scientific opinion and not based on actual facts.

You yourself have made an assumption of this as well. Just because a woman who has her hands full of clothes, asks her guy to hold her purse, while she tries stuff on? Does not mean she is making him do it because he loves her.

You even got your girl to admit to a time when she would ask you do such a thing. Which completely skews your assumption as well.
LOL

I bet you have never gone out with a Japanese girl. LOL They are shopping fanatics they quite often wind up with more than they can hold, to try on.

Does this make them dumb? Does this automatically mean that if they ask they guy to hold their purse while they try shit on, mean its some kind of ulterior motive to show people the guy loves her? No and no.


Ah no, more like it makes it easier for them.

Now you came on here asking if you should get snipped. LOL A car forum of all places.
You got answers you do not like. So you started making bold assuming statements about Women and Men.



I suggest you take a step back. Think about life, realize you have a lot to learn and come back to this question in a few years.

You will most likely laugh at yourself.

Oh but don't take any of the advice, revel in your possible ignorance, spouting assumed idea's and get snipped.

Don't let the door hit you on your ass as you leave.

[Banana_Cute]

Just get snipped. Fuck ive seen this thread bump one too many, And it has nothing to do with the forum.

Who really gives a shit if you get snipped, you posting this publicly in a car forum just wanting attention. Go stay with your fitness girlfriend, not all women let go of their weight soon as 1 kid pops out or being married.

blah blah blah. get snipped, not have kids. its good for you, good for the whole community.

who really gives a shit now?

The narrow minded that you are. I doubt you'd do your part if, god forbid, accident happen and you get your girlfriend pregnant.

All i can say is. Someone wasnt loved enough at their young age to pass that love to their offsprings.

done rant.

/threadclosed..GL

[trigjones]

You know what? You base this purse holding assumption off of one girls assessment of other women.

For her to say a girl who asks you to hold her purse and sees it as them assuming its a sign of love?

You yourself have made an assumption of this as well. Just because a woman who has her hands full of clothes, asks her guy to hold her purse, while she tries stuff on? Does not mean she is making him do it because he loves her.

You even got your girl to admit to a time when she would ask you do such a thing. Which completely skews your assumption as well.
LOL

I bet you have never gone out with a Japanese girl. LOL They are shopping fanatics they quite often wind up with more than they can hold, to try on.

I've had numerous conversations about this over the years, I've dated a Korean girl for 4 years, I've had plenty of Asian friends. I know enough about the culture. My Korean gf never asked me to do that, among her friends, it was a sign to others about who controlled the relationship.

I dont know why girls do it, its doubtful its about love, but if you're so damn greedy at the mall you lose your shoulder space, then sure hand the guy the purse. But 95% of the bags I see are shoulder worn, so since the girl is never holding it with her hands, the guy shouldn't either.

I'm strictly referring (try and stay on point) to the guys standing outside the dressing rooms while the girl is changing clothes. If I hold my girls purse when she's tying a shoe, legit reason. No reason to hold it outside the dressing room. Unless you can provide a clear reason for why she couldnt just take it into the dressing room with her.

Please explain. And stay on topic, it shouldn't be difficult.

[drift freaq]

I've had numerous conversations about this over the years, I've dated a Korean girl for 4 years, I've had plenty of Asian friends. I know enough about the culture. My Korean gf never asked me to do that, among her friends, it was a sign to others about who controlled the relationship.

I dont know why girls do it, its doubtful its about love, but if you're so damn greedy at the mall you lose your shoulder space, then sure hand the guy the purse. But 95% of the bags I see are shoulder worn, so since the girl is never holding it with her hands, the guy shouldn't either.

I'm strictly referring (try and stay on point) to the guys standing outside the dressing rooms while the girl is changing clothes. If I hold my girls purse when she's tying a shoe, legit reason. No reason to hold it outside the dressing room. Unless you can provide a clear reason for why she couldnt just take it into the dressing room with her.

Please explain. And stay on topic, it shouldn't be difficult.

Why stay on topic? You yourself took it off topic. LOL Plus again you make another assumption based on someones generalization about their own culture. Which like I previously pointed out was an assumption not based on pure scientific data to back it up.

Hell you could say my statement about Japanese girls loving to shop is an assumption based on only casual observation. It actually means it might not be correct as well.

Oh and why does a girl taking a large selection of clothing to try out make it greedy? There again you make a broad generalized assumption, not based in any kind of fact.

Oh and you say its doubtful its about Love which completely contradicts your earlier statement about its their way of showing they are loved.
Do I need to quote this for you to remind you, in the off chance you will deny saying it and edit your previous post where you said it? LOL

Oh and lets step to your rationalization statement, for legitimate purse holding vs Illegitimate purse holding. LOL

Perhaps, because the guy is already holding the purse because she already asked him to hold it when she was trying on a pull over top or sweater?
Her hands are then now full as she proceeds to the dressing room and said guy has purse in his hand.

You know perfectly intelligent people can be absentminded from time to time and forget for a minute. Only to think of it a few minutes later. Perhaps, when they are already in the dressing room. LOL

Seriously you should give this up right now. Not only have we answered your question backwards and forwards but we have also proved you're making your decision based on a lot of generalizations and assumptions about people and life.
Wow you seem to know so much about people life for a 20 something. NOT!

I said it before I will say it again go get yourself snipped. Stop coming to car forum looking for answers to something like this and stop making assumptions about people.

Unless your a Psychologist and have studied behavioral patterns you do not really have the knowledge to speak of these things.
Oh and if you were you would know better to come here in the first place with this kind of question. LOL

[trigjones]

Why stay on topic? You yourself took it off topic. LOL Plus again you make another assumption based on someones generalization about their own culture. Which like I previously pointed out was an assumption not based on pure scientific data to back it up.

Hell you could say my statement about Japanese girls loving to shop is an assumption based on only casual observation. It actually means it might not be correct as well.

Oh and why does a girl taking a large selection of clothing to try out make it greedy? There again you make a broad generalized assumption, not based in any kind of fact.

Oh and you say its doubtful its about Love which completely contradicts your earlier statement about its their way of showing they are loved.
Do I need to quote this for you to remind you, in the off chance you will deny saying it and edit your previous post where you said it? LOL

Oh and lets step to your rationalization statement, for legitimate purse holding vs Illegitimate purse holding. LOL

Perhaps, because the guy is already holding the purse because she already asked him to hold it when she was trying on a pull over top or sweater?
Her hands are then now full as she proceeds to the dressing room and said guy has purse in his hand.

You know perfectly intelligent people can be absentminded from time to time and forget for a minute. Only to think of it a few minutes later. Perhaps, when they are already in the dressing room. LOL

Seriously you should give this up right now. Not only have we answered your question backwards and forwards but we have also proved you're making your decision based on a lot of generalizations and assumptions about people and life.
Wow you seem to know so much about people life for a 20 something. NOT!

I said it before I will say it again go get yourself snipped. Stop coming to car forum looking for answers to something like this and stop making assumptions about people.

Unless your a Psychologist and have studied behavioral patterns you do not really have the knowledge to speak of these things.
Oh and if you were you would know better to come here in the first place with this kind of question. LOL

Fail at making an intelligent statement. Way to go. Both of us are aware that no one is gonna try on a sweater in the lobby, then wander into the dressing room and forget their purse. Everyone knows that it doesn't work like that. At all.

Have fun dating mousey dudes who you respect so little you will embarrass them in public. And you are seriously kidding yourself if you think its something different. I'm perfectly content not putting up with that sh*t.

[slamburger]

You think Drift freaq is a woman? LOL

You should get snipped, all he did was rerer to japanese women. The whole holding a purse thing is so stupid. The way you're looking at it is just pathetic, obviously you have some problems where you cant even hold your girls purse in public cuz you are so scared of being judged by dip shits like your self.

[sw20>>s14]

maybe your prospective will change and be less defensive if you knew that drift freaq was actually a guy...

[TheWolf]

When it comes to the dressing room. Either I get to come in there as well. Or I go to the tool section.

[trigjones]

maybe your prospective will change and be less defensive if you knew that drift freaq was actually a guy...

It's more of a disappointment realizing that Drift Freaq is a guy. I don't get what everyone's deal is. If you wanna hold your gf's purse, whatever. I don't see the point.

I will restate: if there is a good reason to hold a girls purse, I don't mind. If I'm waiting for her outside the dressing room, ain't gonna happen. There isn't a reason for it. Or any good reason anyone has provided.

Maybe you guys have more trouble getting laid, and think that pandering to that kind of stuff will get you in their under-roos. I don't have trouble, therefore the hoops I have to jump through aren't the same.

Apply the same reasoning to the guys driving a mini-van because their wife wouldn't let them get a sedan they like driving. Nobody on here would let their gf say "Get rid of your S13, and buy a Cavalier cause i dont feel safe being in a car without airbags"

[Banana_Cute]

Sooo are you getting your shit snipped or what?

I got rid 2 of my 240sx because my wife requested it. Does that make me a bitch? No, because i have better reasoning behind it. I need a car to get around with my 12 month old.
Even though we already have an Xterra. We needed 2 baby friendly vehic.

Btw i dont think no GF will every tell a dude to get rid of his 240 because it isnt safe. I for one would tell her to take her car instead and follow me. or jst take her car to begin with.

[drift freaq]

Fail at making an intelligent statement. Way to go. Both of us are aware that no one is gonna try on a sweater in the lobby, then wander into the dressing room and forget their purse. Everyone knows that it doesn't work like that. At all.

Have fun dating mousey dudes who you respect so little you will embarrass them in public. And you are seriously kidding yourself if you think its something different. I'm perfectly content not putting up with that sh*t.


Fail at making an intelligent statement. LOL Ok here goes dude. You seem to be pretty damn dense guy that can't comprehend reasoning and fail at reading comprehension.

Everything in my post made perfect sense and was perfect reasoning. I would not have typed it otherwise. I can't help that it goes right over your head. LOL

Do us a favor take your bro truck I am macho attitude and drive on out of here.
.

Oh and girls do try sweaters on in the aisle. Why? because they do not need to go to the dressing room. Its just a sweater and no clothes need to be taken off.
Oh but you would not know that because your to busy being scared about looking like a pussy to pay attention.

Oh and I love how you mistake my girl for me.

Now seriously give this shit up, or would you like me to own your dumb ass again.
I am having fun with this all you are doing is getting pissed. LOL

It's more of a disappointment realizing that Drift Freaq is a guy. I don't get what everyone's deal is. If you wanna hold your gf's purse, whatever. I don't see the point.

I will restate: if there is a good reason to hold a girls purse, I don't mind. If I'm waiting for her outside the dressing room, ain't gonna happen. There isn't a reason for it. Or any good reason anyone has provided.

Maybe you guys have more trouble getting laid, and think that pandering to that kind of stuff will get you in their under-roos. I don't have trouble, therefore the hoops I have to jump through aren't the same.

Apply the same reasoning to the guys driving a mini-van because their wife wouldn't let them get a sedan they like driving. Nobody on here would let their gf say "Get rid of your S13, and buy a Cavalier cause i dont feel safe being in a car without airbags"

Ding ding ding, knockout round time, LOL
Disappointment? LOL why because a man can give a reasonable response to some macho bullshit yet still retain his own manhood. Don't answer that because you will just stick your foot in your mouth again. Oh let me explain that for you. Its rhetorical.

The point is your lack of understanding that just because a guy might hold his girls purse outside a dressing room, does not mean the girl is trying to dominate him. Or she is show people who is wearing the pants in relationship.

Your own statements made in this thread brought on the responses, when you got handed valid reasons why your statements were ignorant or not valid you got all mad and tried to argue back. You got owned and you came in for round three and round 4.
LOL

Oh problems getting laid? Naw once again you show your ignorance. Oh and I love how you go with more bullshit assumptions about us. Just because you have been proven wrong again and have no real come back.
So you resort to low brow comments about the people you know nothing about, to try and insult them.

You are your own worst enemy in all of this. Oh and what do you do, try to make car analogies just to re justify your previously owned reasoning.

Just give it up. You lose, we win. Game over. LOL

[Banana_Cute]

/thread.
ninjapostthis

[trigjones]

I assumed you were a girl since my friend reading it said "What's her problem". Cohesive and intelligent comments never contain LOL. You're sentence flow is horrid, you can't follow simple grammatical rules, I'm not sure how far you've gone in English classes, but saying "You got owned" doesn't make it true simply because you like holding your gf's purse. More power to you. Maybe you feel like more of a man doing it. Otherwise, you wouldn't be justifying the behavior so vehemently and finding non-sensecial explainations for it.

[slamburger]

Got your thesaurus out for that post did you? LOL

You fail dude, there is nothing wrong with drift freaq's grammar. And then to top it off you even had a scape goat for not being able to tell that he was in fact a man. Blamming it on your friend.

The whole point that you are missing is that there is nothing wrong with holding your girlfriends purse. I feel sorry for you that you have such deep emotional problems that you cant see that. Maybe a girl hurt you in the past?

[trigjones]

Got your thesaurus out for that post did you? LOL

You fail dude, there is nothing wrong with drift freaq's grammar. And then to top it off you even had a scape goat for not being able to tell that he was in fact a man. Blamming it on your friend.

The whole point that you are missing is that there is nothing wrong with holding your girlfriends purse. I feel sorry for you that you have such deep emotional problems that you cant see that. Maybe a girl hurt you in the past?

Thesaurus? Not necessary, I wrote most of my ex's papers in college, she never got less than a A- on a single one.

Once again, there's nothing wrong with it for YOU. Maybe I don't understand suburban culture and the relationships you guys have, I split my time growing up between a big farm with a private lake and the country club we belonged to. I have always been the first to open a woman's door, offer help to a stranger. But my mom never told me to hold a woman's purse. I have slightly different views on gender roles. I wouldn't ask my girl to hold my briefcase or backpack. My stuff, my responsibility. Same with hers.

What's fine for you, or Drift Freaq, doesn't need to apply to my life.

[Banana_Cute]

What's fine for you, or Drift Freaq, doesn't need to apply to my life.

SOOO... why are you asking a car forum if you should, or should not get a vasectomy. Or inputs and regrets for that matter.

[trigjones]

SOOO... why are you asking a car forum if you should, or should not get a vasectomy. Or inputs and regrets for that matter.

Cute.

I've happily accepted input on getting snipped, doesn't mean I need to accept input from people who can't answer a direct question about why a dude would be holding his girls purse when she is 100% capable of holding it herself. I didn't ask for overly imaginative theories on why she needed help, just straight up question. Girl with free hands makes dude hold her purse. Done.

[idahotuner]

snip them man.

[Banana_Cute]

Cute.

I've happily accepted input on getting snipped, doesn't mean I need to accept input from people who can't answer a direct question about why a dude would be holding his girls purse when she is 100% capable of holding it herself. I didn't ask for overly imaginative theories on why she needed help, just straight up question. Girl with free hands makes dude hold her purse. Done.

gotchu. i was too lazy to read all the post. and it looks like it went down hill..

uhm i guess :cj: < hahah :keke:

GL to w/e it is u do. Seems to me from your reasoning you might as well "GET IR DONE".

[slamburger]

Thesaurus? Not necessary, I wrote most of my ex's papers in college, she never got less than a A- on a single one.

Once again, there's nothing wrong with it for YOU. Maybe I don't understand suburban culture and the relationships you guys have, I split my time growing up between a big farm with a private lake and the country club we belonged to. I have always been the first to open a woman's door, offer help to a stranger. But my mom never told me to hold a woman's purse. I have slightly different views on gender roles. I wouldn't ask my girl to hold my briefcase or backpack. My stuff, my responsibility. Same with hers.

What's fine for you, or Drift Freaq, doesn't need to apply to my life.

So you will write your girls papers (her responsibility) but not hold her purse...

Man you're a fool...like drift freaq already pointed out, you are your own worst enemy.

Case closed...you're an idiot. GET SNIPPED.

[flip3d]

When your kids can compare to the Chinese/Indian kids that are dominating every major work field then I'll say don't do it.

[enkei2k]

So you will write your girls papers (her responsibility) but not hold her purse...


So you will write your girls papers (her responsibility) but not hold her purse...


So you will write your girls papers (her responsibility) but not hold her purse...


:ddog::smash::nono::wtf::mepoke::faint::whip: :l101: :rofl: :Owned::duh::ghey::bash::loco:

all that was going through my mind at the time i read this. he's gotta point you know.

[drift freaq]

I assumed you were a girl since my friend reading it said "What's her problem". Cohesive and intelligent comments never contain LOL. You're sentence flow is horrid, you can't follow simple grammatical rules, I'm not sure how far you've gone in English classes, but saying "You got owned" doesn't make it true simply because you like holding your gf's purse. More power to you. Maybe you feel like more of a man doing it. Otherwise, you wouldn't be justifying the behavior so vehemently and finding non-sensecial explainations for it.

Wow, first off, my sentences were cohesive and intelligent. Perhaps I made some grammatical mistakes? Though I made none that made reading my post impossible.

You cannot even hold a debate, without throwing insults. How do you know I hold my girls purse. My explanations, make perfect sense, to anyone who is open minded.
I see that being open minded, seems to be impossible for you.
I am debating this for the shear fun of seeing your reactions. It does not mean I do or do not do what I am debating. I am sorry you can't seem to understand the common Net vernacular of LOL or you have been owned.

This is the internet, not English 101.

Thesaurus? Not necessary, I wrote most of my ex's papers in college, she never got less than a A- on a single one.

Once again, there's nothing wrong with it for YOU. Maybe I don't understand suburban culture and the relationships you guys have, I split my time growing up between a big farm with a private lake and the country club we belonged to. I have always been the first to open a woman's door, offer help to a stranger. But my mom never told me to hold a woman's purse. I have slightly different views on gender roles. I wouldn't ask my girl to hold my briefcase or backpack. My stuff, my responsibility. Same with hers.

What's fine for you, or Drift Freaq, doesn't need to apply to my life.

Oh, so you write your girls papers? Wow, who is whipped here? You talk about guys being less than, for holding their girls purse, when they girls hands are full? Yet, you wrote your girls papers?

That pretty much just shot all your macho reasoning right out the window. You are already bent over more by the girl by writing her papers. Oh I bet it feeds your I am superior ego, right?

Suburban Culture? Big farm and country club? Does this translate to country hick snob? hahahhaha

Oh my, I have done it again used "nonsensical" internet vernacular to laugh at you.

Your mom told you, to never hold a Woman's purse? Ya, I will believe that line, when monkeys start flying out of peoples asses.

Asking someone to hold something when your hands are full? Well that is just something that people ask their friends or partners to do, nothing more.

You talk like you're from the Victorian era,. Time for crumpets sir? Perhap, after we go out, and play polo, James.
Fine for us vs fine for you? You are the jackass that asked us for input. When you did not like what you heard you started arguing with everyone.

Don't want our opinions? Do not ask.

Cute.

I've happily accepted input on getting snipped, doesn't mean I need to accept input from people who can't answer a direct question about why a dude would be holding his girls purse when she is 100% capable of holding it herself. I didn't ask for overly imaginative theories on why she needed help, just straight up question. Girl with free hands makes dude hold her purse. Done.

So, you can't stand, people giving reasons, why holding a girls purse might be perfectly acceptable?

Ok let me put in plain English since you cannot even comprehend reasoning. Girls without their hands full do not usually ask their to hold their purse. I have never seen it happen.

I would also bet, that if I went back and read your previous posts? You did not clearly state hands full or not full.

Oh, and in the end? You know nothing about me, as a Man and not knowing that, you assume an awful lot.

Please stop here, as this is now the 5th or 6th time, you have made yourself look like a fool.

You have lost this debate. You got your answer for better or worse, but were not satisfied. You then decided, you were going to try shove your backwoods country hick attitude, down our throats.
Get yourself snipped. You would suck at being father.

Do not let the door slam on you on the ass leaving.

[max240]

I say do it and bump this thread 5 or 10 years from now and let us know how its going.

[Wake]

So you will write your girls papers (her responsibility) but not hold her purse...


This again....... QFT

OP please just get snipped so you cant procreate.

[trigjones]

I write because I enjoy writing. It's not a chore or a favor, I get to see how I can play on a teachers political views to influence him/her to grade a paper. It's fun. It's the only part of school I haven't considered work.

Likewise, you can hold a girls purse. You are more than welcome to have your own fun however you choose. I'm sorry my Victorian era vocabulary bothers you, some of us are just brighter and more well-read.

My ex's have all said they'd never ask a boyfriend to hold a purse cause its stupid, they said its something immature high school girls do.

So once again, stop talking about how I've "been owned". I don't really care how you interact with your girlfriends, I'm gonna stick to my method, which has worked fine to this point, and you can stick to yours.

[Banana_Cute]

So this came from Vasectomy to gender verification.

Got to love zilvians.

Goodnight.

[drift freaq]

I write because I enjoy writing. It's not a chore or a favor, I get to see how I can play on a teachers political views to influence him/her to grade a paper. It's fun. It's the only part of school I haven't considered work.

Likewise, you can hold a girls purse. You are more than welcome to have your own fun however you choose. I'm sorry my Victorian era vocabulary bothers you, some of us are just brighter and more well-read.

My ex's have all said they'd never ask a boyfriend to hold a purse cause its stupid, they said its something immature high school girls do.

So once again, stop talking about how I've "been owned". I don't really care how you interact with your girlfriends, I'm gonna stick to my method, which has worked fine to this point, and you can stick to yours.

Wow you are one dense mother fucker. When I was referring to Victorian era it was about your attitude. Your vocabulary is far from Victorian.

Of course once again reading comprehension fails you.

Oh and if you really were that well read? You would have a much more open mind and your reading comprehension would be a lot better.

Basically you can keep on kidding yourself about being brighter. You have already proven you're an idiot.

Once again I will tell you, I was posting theoretical arguments, for the sake of reasoning. Something that is completely lost on you.

I could care less about your ex's, because basically if they were with you, they were already clueless.



Go back to the rock you crawled out from under and stop bothering us with your with narrow minded backwoods bullshit.

[trigjones]

Wow you are one dense mother fucker. When I was referring to Victorian era it was about your attitude. Your vocabulary is far from Victorian.

Of course once again reading comprehension fails you.

Oh and if you really were that well read? You would have a much more open mind and your reading comprehension would be a lot better.

Basically you can keep on kidding yourself about being brighter. You have already proven you're an idiot.

Once again I will tell you, I was posting theoretical arguments, for the sake of reasoning. Something that is completely lost on you.

I could care less about your ex's, because basically if they were with you, they were already clueless.



Go back to the rock you crawled out from under and stop bothering us with your with narrow minded backwoods bullshit.

You posted theoretical improbable arguments because you don't have any logical reasoning. Cause you = Purse Holder. Own it. Be proud of it. Relish that when your materialistic girlfriend is trying on over priced outfits to be purchased on your credit card, you can proclaim that your balls are placed inside the Louis Vitton purse you are graciously holding for her outside the dressing room, lest she risk breaking one of her nails doing it herself. I'm happy for you, really.

I'm quite happy being capable of buying a girl a purse that expensive, then she can carry it around and show the world her boyfriend is financially capable of buying her nice things. Of giving her a life that doesnt involve hanging around the fucking mall then taking her to Olive Garden after.

Your so called reasoning is in fact...justification. For a silly behavior that real men don't abide by or participate in.

Obviously you don't believe in others living their own way. I'm sure in your ideal world, we would all be sheepishly wandering around with our girlfriends purses in hand.

Maybe you should respect that not everyone has the same narrow minded world view of YOURSELF.

[trigjones]

all that was going through my mind at the time i read this. he's gotta point you know.

Read the other posts, I should have clarified I like writing. Professionally, or as a form of creative expression.

[slamburger]

Read the other posts, I should have clarified I like writing. Professionally, or as a form of creative expression.

This just sounds like an excuse, you're just trying to justify that you in fact shot yourself in the foot. You're an idiot dude. Think you are so tough because you dont hold a girls purse, really dude? get over it that doesnt make you more or less of a man. I cant wait till drift freaq chimes in again and makes you look even worse then you already made yourself.

[theicecreamdan]

Thesaurus? Not necessary, I wrote most of my ex's papers in college, she never got less than a A- on a single one.


And you're worried about being "dominated" by holding a purse? At least there are "legit" reasons to do your girl's work.

[drift freaq]

You posted theoretical improbable arguments because you don't have any logical reasoning. Cause you = Purse Holder. Own it. Be proud of it. Relish that when your materialistic girlfriend is trying on over priced outfits to be purchased on your credit card, you can proclaim that your balls are placed inside the Louis Vitton purse you are graciously holding for her outside the dressing room, lest she risk breaking one of her nails doing it herself. I'm happy for you, really.

I'm quite happy being capable of buying a girl a purse that expensive, then she can carry it around and show the world her boyfriend is financially capable of buying her nice things. Of giving her a life that doesnt involve hanging around the fucking mall then taking her to Olive Garden after.

Your so called reasoning is in fact...justification. For a silly behavior that real men don't abide by or participate in.

Obviously you don't believe in others living their own way. I'm sure in your ideal world, we would all be sheepishly wandering around with our girlfriends purses in hand.

Maybe you should respect that not everyone has the same narrow minded world view of YOURSELF.

Interesting once again you assume something you do not even know. Did I ever say I held my girls purse? Go back and read my posts. I never once said I did or did not hold her purse.
I did post a logical theoretical situation were it could happen.

Oh and now you are just resulting to rude comments, which pretty much means you have lost your position on making valid points.
You do not know if my girl is materialistic, I never said if she was either way. Again you assume without a definitive statement from me.

Oh nice to see, that you equate appreciation on the girls part with monetary reward. So in other words. You buy your girls appreciation through spending money on her.
Wow who is materialistic here?

Oh and Olive Garden you have got to be kidding me. That is the poorest excuse for Italian food ever. It's not Italian food and I would never step one foot inside of one.
Seriously guy, you really have no idea of who you are talking to, yet you keep on assuming a lot of shit.

My reasoning is as much justification, as yours is, if you really want to get down to brass tacks.

So basically you are trying to couch your justification of not ever holding the purse for your girl, behind the real men statement.
Sounds like a poor attempt at justifying a lost argument.

Once again you make a broad over generalized statement, based on assumption, given my reasoning.

I never said the guy holds the girls purse all the time. In fact I stated a particular situation and that situation only.

I am completely open minded about things, more so than you will ever be. The fact that you cannot see my reasoning points out how close minded you are.

Now this last statement you make, You do know its linguistically off?

It should read "narrow minded world view, that you do". Or "narrow minded view that you have'

Instead it reads "narrow minded world view of YOURSELF". Which is somewhat nonsensical.

Either way, once again you are fighting a losing battle and digging a deeper hole.

You will probably respond again with some useless dribble, stating the same position over again.

You do know the definition of insanity, right?
It's repeating the same thing over and over expecting different results.

You have become quite insane over this thread. Its been quite humorous watching it happen.

Now you have been reduced to throwing insults while carrying on in insanity.

Enjoy yourself,Don Quixote , keep titling at those windmills.

[Brian]

Zilvia is always a fight.

Why?

[sidewaysil80]

i'll beast the fuck out of some olive garden. just sayin'

[slamburger]

Yeah olive garden insnt THAT bad lol

[drift freaq]

Zilvia is always a fight.

Why?

I don't know if I would call it a fight Brian. Sometimes it is other times its a spirited debate.
Now the thing is usually someone wins a debate. So yes that could be called a fight.
You know as well as I do, that you hold certain positions on things dear. You will stand up for those positions.
You yourself have participated in these debates as well.


All forums on the internet have debates like this. This goes all the way back to the days of mailing lists before there was a World wide web.


This is not something unique to Zilvia. I have seen it on FA, Nico, Etc...

[Brian]

lol


I didn't even read the last 2 pages. I just scrolled through this last page and saw paragraphs of text, so I figured it was a fight.

Are you guys still talking about snipping the goodie factory pipeline?

[slamburger]

You should read the whole thread. Its very entertaining.

[Wake]

Dont waste your time Brian, its not that good.

Its starts good then just snowballs into a clusterfuck of jackassery and douchebaggery.
The funny is this turned from a vasectomy thread to a "I dont bitch out by holding my gf's purse" thread. Thats the cliffs notes for ya.

Honestly I just dont want the OP having kids so he can make more people like him.
Its fucking nuts to say holding a purse makes you less of a man. So what about buying tampons, womens underwear, makeup? Will you not buy any of those things cuz it makes you less of a man? So youll go buy a womans purse but wont hold it?

Thinking that any of that is in anyway related to you being a man is absolutely fucking nuts. The decisions and choices you make in life are what makes you man, maybe your priest didnt tell you that when he was helping you become a "real'" man. Being a man has nothing to do with anything that goes on in a mall. If your not willing to hold her purse you shouldnt even be interested in going in womens stores, or buying her any sort of gift.
GTFO you contradictory fuck
Your probably such a man you shit standing up cuz you dont wanna sit on a toilet like woman.

[Banana_Cute]

I hold my girls purse, let alone run to the store and buy her tampons, nail stuff shit like that. Doesnt bother me. Doesnt make me less of a man either.

hahahaha

[trigjones]

Dont waste your time Brian, its not that good.

Its starts good then just snowballs into a clusterfuck of jackassery and douchebaggery.
The funny is this turned from a vasectomy thread to a "I dont bitch out by holding my gf's purse" thread. Thats the cliffs notes for ya.

Honestly I just dont want the OP having kids so he can make more people like him.
Its fucking nuts to say holding a purse makes you less of a man. So what about buying tampons, womens underwear, makeup? Will you not buy any of those things cuz it makes you less of a man? So youll go buy a womans purse but wont hold it?

Thinking that any of that is in anyway related to you being a man is absolutely fucking nuts. The decisions and choices you make in life are what makes you man, maybe your priest didnt tell you that when he was helping you become a "real'" man. Being a man has nothing to do with anything that goes on in a mall. If your not willing to hold her purse you shouldnt even be interested in going in womens stores, or buying her any sort of gift.
GTFO you contradictory fuck
Your probably such a man you shit standing up cuz you dont wanna sit on a toilet like woman.

I am totally comfortable in with my masculine or feminine qualities/attributes. I do girly shit on the fucking daily. I pluck my eyebrows, shave my cojones, and even snowball if the girl is into it. I've got tons of cologne and high end skin care products. I spend $60 on my haircuts. I went to a John Mayer concert with a date, best live show I've ever seen. Amazing guitarist.

But I don't think its appropriate for guys to
A. Frost their hair.
B. Wear the colors pink or salmon unless they are Elton John.
C. Drink Mike's Hard Lemonade
D. Hold a girls purse when she is perfectly capable of doing it herself.
E. Gain sympathy weight when their wife gets pregnant.

Its not a manly thing, its a control thing. I see plenty of dudes that clearly lost any voting rights in their relationship years ago. It's unfair and its unequal. I don't like dudes who treat their gfs like shit, and I don't like seeing women boss their bfs around and tell them what to do.

I'm gonna have a kid, hopefully a boy, and he can go out and f*ck all your future daughters. Respectfully of course. 18 years from now they can come to you guys whining about how my kid wouldn't carry their purse. Then you can get get confused, cause in your P-whipped fantasy land, you do everything your chunky wife tells you to, gladly, because the thought of standing up for yourself is about as foreign as a girl who respects her boyfriend 100%.

[sidewaysil80]

I do girly shit on the fucking daily. I pluck my eyebrows, shave my cojones, and even snowball if the girl is into it.

you know how i know your gay?

[Brian]

hahah, Trigjones for funniest dude of 2011 so far.

[trigjones]

I don't know if I would call it a fight Brian. Sometimes it is other times its a spirited debate.
Now the thing is usually someone wins a debate. So yes that could be called a fight.
You know as well as I do, that you hold certain positions on things dear. You will stand up for those positions.
You yourself have participated in these debates as well.


All forums on the internet have debates like this. This goes all the way back to the days of mailing lists before there was a World wide web.


This is not something unique to Zilvia. I have seen it on FA, Nico, Etc...

You win, Drift Freaq. I concede. You are clearly the bigger/smarter/blah blah blah man than myself.

As a show of gratitude for your supreme excellence, I would like to treat you and your girlfriend (if that's her in the picture) to dinner with me and my better half at the chain restaurant of your choosing. Since you turned down Olive Garden, may I suggest Cheesecake Factory, Applebees, TGIF? Lay it on me, I can afford it. Cause all I do is blow money on frivolous shit like Yorkie's, Hawaiian vacations, and $1k handbags.

But in all seriousness, why are you so angry? I sense a lot of hostility. You should get that checked.

[trigjones]

you know how i know your gay?

Gay? As if. I'm so f*cking manly that I'm not afraid of coming into contact with my own baby batter, soon to become just plain old batter.

[sidewaysil80]

Gay? As if. I'm so f*cking manly that I'm not afraid of coming into contact with my own baby batter, soon to become just plain old batter.

A. you like the taste of jizz...or B. you allow yourself to be pursuaded into such act against your own will by a woman. i'm a roughneck and thus very secure with my manhood...but i guess i'm not after all if it means eating my semen.

however, in reality...you probably don't and you just slipped that in there to troll us less inteligent...unfortunate products of public school that you and your country club chaps joke on. and you are sitting sipping you trendy beer in your one off boutique t-shirt laughing at how these simpletons think you enjoy swishing sperm around in your mouth.

[slamburger]

Let me get this straight.

You pluck your eyebrown but wont wear pink or hold a purse.

YOU EAT YOUR OWN SEMEN but wont drink a mikes hard lemonade.

You are the biggest fucking idiot on the planet. Like holy shit you are out of your mind.

AND!!! you said "AS IF" thats totally something a "valley" white girl would say!

[soreballz]

lol, Trig is hilarious. Everyone that's getting mad at him is a giant vagina.


One note: Mike's Hard Lemonade is delicious. I don't drink it often due to my love of rum, but... Damn. What's the big deal? I figure:
Lemonade is awesome.
Getting drunk is awesome.
Therefore, getting drunk on lemonade is double awesome.

:2c:

[Banana_Cute]

lol, Trig is hilarious. Everyone that's getting mad at him is a giant vagina.


One note: Mike's Hard Lemonade is delicious. I don't drink it often due to my love of rum, but... Damn. What's the big deal? I figure:
Lemonade is awesome.
Getting drunk is awesome.
Therefore, getting drunk on lemonade is double awesome.

:2c:

I spit out my mikes hard lemonade lol'in hard.

[Wake]

I love that you offer the snowball if the chick is down. That shows even some chicks arent down for shit you do.

That is the most submissive effeminate bullshit I have ever heard.

Thanks for the new sig and making me laugh so fucking hard.

Well played sir, well played.

[Phlip]

Yeah, this thread has totally run its course.
It used to have a topic, but as usual has become a big-assed fight.

I really should have done this BEFORE the argument commenced, but I hoped it might not for once.
Boy, was I wrong.

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