Tsuchiya to his drifiting fans! New Details!

[slider2828]

Hey everyone! Kyshro had mention the other day that I head on over to 7tune.com to check out the latest articles about the state of D1, and what tsuchiya’s plans are. Another article is also a message to his fans, and fans of drifting in general. They’re defnatly worth a read and it provides a lot of details about what will happen next year.

So far, D1 looks like it’ll go a year or two longer possibly. But, Tsuchiya and Daisuke said they plan to have this new drifting series up by around march or april. Also, Tsuchiya has said he will not be appearing in any more option or doriten videos since they are affiliated with D1 and he’s no longer apart of that. He also stated that Mana-P and kumakubo will be staying with D1.(who knows what’ll happen after a few years if D1 falls out). Tsuchiya also mentioned that one of the reasons he left D1 was because every year they kept adding more and more power to the cars, which sort of drowned out the competition factor and that D1 management was being greedy and all they cared about was money.This I can totally believe as it’s something I noticed myself in recent years. Tsuchiya went on to say that this new drift series which will be running though Hot Version, but has no official name yet, but will contain mostly cars like in D1SL. Somebody asked him does that mean there will be a power cap for the series he has said that they will enforce some sort of regulations and that they’re still discussing the details.

Overall these articles provided me with a ton of relief and it looks like tsuchiya and Dai are headed in the right direction in my opinion. Check out the articles yourself, and post up your thoughts!^_^ Also, props go to 7tune for translating all this, and providing awesome content!

-Tsuchiya’s message to drivers and fans

NEWS – TSUCHIYAS NEW YEAR MESSAGE TO D1 FANS AND DRIVERS : 7Tune.com (http://www.7tune.com/news-tsuchiyas-new-year-message-to-d1-fans-and-drivers/)

He says KEEP DRIFITNG FUN!!!
http://www.7tune.com/exclusive-the-drift-king-on-2011/



OH SHIT!!! Hot Version D1 style and cap on power!!! This is going to be awesome and what he said is totally true.....

[Imarvin240]

i really hope they just do classes to simplify everything. also, that would make it so no one is left out because they have to low or high of horse power. overall though, this is definitly sounding good to me and im happy to hear they are working on it already and that they plan to have it up and going so soon.

[slider2828]

i really hope they just do classes to simplify everything. also, that would make it so no one is left out because they have to low or high of horse power. overall though, this is definitly sounding good to me and im happy to hear they are working on it already and that they plan to have it up and going so soon.

Yeah I totally agree.... I mean when checkbooks on how much you spend depends on how successful you are, that really creates an exclusive sport and drifting is NOT and should never be one of those sports (like F1). I mean its a grassroots sport and its great they recognize that....

Can't wait to see it!!!

[ericcastro]

I like the power cap/class idea.

[sidewaysil80]

i think they should cap horsepower at a certain level. i think if they class it will baby drivers who are talented. i mean, look at ueo/hibino/a few other 86 drivers i can't think of...they were able to place podium against 4-500hp silvias...again, cap the power at 500whp and call it a day.

[bardabe]

Fuck yeah, and Drifting will once again live properly. I like the HP cap they are finally putting on it was much much needed now things will be competitive again.

[roboticnissan]

Just put a few classes like time attack with there mod .class and street class or.whatever.

[Grenade180sx]

Just put a few classes like time attack with there mod .class and street class or.whatever.

i dig that. make 2 classes one limited and one unlimited.

[S-Nation S13]

yes..+ a million for this less power more skills, no more turn the wheel and slam on the gas type drifting..fucking fail, finally somewhat equal playing field looks like the non sponsored cars are gonna come out now hehe, this is reminding me of nascar haha if you know what im talking about then your keep up with anything MOTOR SPORTS, if you dont, thats to bad!

[ericcastro]

i dig that. make 2 classes one limited and one unlimited.
agreed. like a 500HP and under and a 500 and over for the big sponsors?
The 500 and under will be really fun to watch with a lot of different people being able to come in. It should also allow light rubbing, so that people cant get away with sandbagging in the lower HP class.



Tony Angelo has some new tire rules for FD this year that should be pretty interesting though. kinda along the same lines.

[Imarvin240]

Well i think they should do it like time attack which has street class, modified class, and unlimited class (super modified class). its not really determined by horse power, but by the modification to the vehicle. I.E. in modified class, you cant relocate the engine, you must use DOT approved tires, fully gutted cars arent allowed, you can do whatever you want to the internals of the engine but engine swaps may only happen with engines within the same make! For unlimited class (super modified class), its basically do whatever you want to the vehicle. you can do any motor from any vehicle, fully gut, any tire you want, full carbon bodies...anything

I think this might work better than a horse power class since it is clearly working for time attack, auto-x, and others. im not disputing that the horse power range classes is bad or not. i think its a great idea but, im just throwing another option out that i think should be considered and that is proven to work.

here is a link to the time attack rules/regulations

http://redlinetimeattack.com/ul/files/2011RedlineTrackEventsRules.pdf

[silsx13]

I like the power cap/class idea.

AMEN.

They are also going to do the same thing in Formula D this year as well with what you said about the tire rules. Similar thing happened in F1 back in the 90's and then when they went with "grooved" tires.

[1 88 U]

Isn't what Tsuchiya talking about already in existance with D1SL? I think this has more to do with selling DVDs than his passion for affordable drifting.

[tricky_ab]

I mentioned this in the other thread but I'm totally down for a HP cap. He is taking this new series in the right direction and it hasn't even started yet. MSC and D1SL were always more interesting to watch over D1Pro.

[DenkiMan!]

not gonna lie...daigo's drifting is alot fun to watch with all the smoke he makes, then again he is outrageously power hungry. likewise to all the other high powered D1 cars like orido, yamamoto, nomura, utsumi etc.

but its good that tsuchiya and company is taking the sport in another direction. the cap/class idea is a really good way to organize the league and promote skill over power

[darkevildrifter]

JGTC 300
and
JGTC 500 style..come on..no one realy needs any more then that to drift

[travisty_]

This sounds fantastic.

[WanganNastyMachine]

Im excited to here this, seeing 700HP cars built for nothing but opposite-lock is boring. All the car would act the same, drive the same and carry simaler angle. This will open up opportunities for cars that werent competitive before and will show more drivers skill over car prep and spec.

[driftrkp]

it needs to be a hp to weight ratio. a 500whp car that weighs 3400+ wont be able to compete with a 500whp ae86.

[darkevildrifter]

it needs to be a hp to weight ratio. a 500whp car that weighs 3400+ wont be able to compete with a 500whp ae86.
a 500 hp ae86 wouldnt have any advantage. In a 86 theres a point where hp becomes to much and then its pointless.

[sftmb]

good lookin out slider2828 ;) it took me a good 5 minutes to realize this was actually from my blog. haha the post can also be read here^_^

Tsuchiya’s new series and message to the fans and drivers | Domo Factor (http://domofactor.com/?p=4306)

but yeah, I agree with tricky_ab. D1SL and MSC are alot more fun to watch. There's just something awesome about evening out the playing field and letting everybody battle it out with driver skill. haha

also note: a 500hp ae86 would probably start doing some frame/chassis tweaking with that much power in a little car. lol

[bardabe]

I agree, they should keep it at a Power/Weight Ratio. that would make things more interesting.

[Okinawandrifter87]

Im hoping this is full of win. Loving the power cap. Its been needed for quite some time now.

[PoorMans180SX]

This definitely sounds cool. I love D1SL. I would like to see a factory drivetrain rule as well. Not necessarily the cars factory drivetrain, but something that is OEM-derived. AKA no sequential transmissions or quick change rear diffs.

[slider2828]

good lookin out slider2828 ;) it took me a good 5 minutes to realize this was actually from my blog. haha the post can also be read here^_^

Tsuchiya’s new series and message to the fans and drivers | Domo Factor (http://domofactor.com/?p=4306)

but yeah, I agree with tricky_ab. D1SL and MSC are alot more fun to watch. There's just something awesome about evening out the playing field and letting everybody battle it out with driver skill. haha

also note: a 500hp ae86 would probably start doing some frame/chassis tweaking with that much power in a little car. lol

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[slider2828]

I agree, they should keep it at a Power/Weight Ratio. that would make things more interesting.

Power to weight is something pretty hard to enforce I think. I mean then you would have to go to one make engines and then body weights and stuff.... IMHO would kill the aftermarket car industry there....

JGTC rules are good EXCEPT NO BALLAST WEIGHT please.... God it sucked after they introed that.

[udon!]

Sounds exciting.

[driftrkp]

Power to weight is something pretty hard to enforce I think. I mean then you would have to go to one make engines and then body weights and stuff.... IMHO would kill the aftermarket car industry there....

JGTC rules are good EXCEPT NO BALLAST WEIGHT please.... God it sucked after they introed that.

Not really. you could be 2300 and under have 300hp, 2301 to 2650 have 400hp, and 2651 and up have 500hp. you dont have to go all crazy with one make motor and shit. its like my stock car, the chassis i run is a full fab chassis and the class it was built for is no longer so to run in the other class (the only difference is you have to have a stock front clip) we had to add 200lbs and it couldnt to be place on the left rear wheel. theres alot they can do to make it more ever and driver base instead of pocket base. i miss 4ag rolla taking out 400hp skylines and silvias and the unknown street drifter coming in and making top 16

[doridet]

wow, sounds like an awesome idea ^_^

[PoorMans180SX]

Nahhh, power to weight would take all the fun out of it, and kill driver style.

Some drivers like big power, some like super response. It should definitely be up to them.

Formula D's new weight/tire rule is bad enough. Things like that are what kill it for me. I don't want to see the drift version of NASCAR, where all the cars are equal.

What's cool is seeing a 180whp corolla take out a 400hp skyline when you know the skyline has a better power to weight. That's skill.

Also, big smoke is cool, but it should be of less importance than speed, angle, and clipping points. Just throwing that out there. That takes a lot of the importance off big power.

[slider2828]

Nahhh, power to weight would take all the fun out of it, and kill driver style.

Some drivers like big power, some like super response. It should definitely be up to them.

Formula D's new weight/tire rule is bad enough. Things like that are what kill it for me. I don't want to see the drift version of NASCAR, where all the cars are equal.

What's cool is seeing a 180whp corolla take out a 400hp skyline when you know the skyline has a better power to weight. That's skill.

Also, big smoke is cool, but it should be of less importance than speed, angle, and clipping points. Just throwing that out there. That takes a lot of the importance off big power.

Also I would like to see longer drift tracks, not like just 3 turns.... I mean really, you have 3 turns to judge, which makes it impossible to see subtly's IMHO..... Yeah just have 300 500 and 500+ cars.... I mean those would be just caps, you don't doesn't mean you can run a 300 in a 500 class..... so you can do a class above but not 2 classes above.....

But then I also think, if there were classes, you wouldn't be able to fit everything in one day which is a killer tooo.....

[Imarvin240]

But then I also think, if there were classes, you wouldn't be able to fit everything in one day which is a killer tooo.....

you have to sacrifice somewhere...its never going to be absolutely perfect, its going to be give and take, like this but not that.

[sidewaysil80]

thats why they should NOT run classes and just cap the hp to say 600whp or something

[Imarvin240]

thats why they should NOT run classes and just cap the hp to say 600whp or something

you cant do a cap on hp though or else you exclude people and drifting is not about excluding people and it better not start. the only way to allow everyone to be able to compete is to do something like time attacks classes like i stated earlier. its the easiest way and honestly, i could care less if it takes more then one day to complete...i mean seriously, whats the problem with having it go more then one day? you cant do a cap though, it would go against the whole idea that this is an "anyone can come in and compete sport". classes end up being the best route, whether it still has negatives or not, it at least allows everyone to compete.

[sidewaysil80]

1. i don't see how putting a limit on hp keeps people from the sport...i mean if they want to compete they need to detune to make the max power limit.
2. you don't see a problem with having it go longer then two days because you're not hosting the event. do you have ANY idea how much that would kill a new series. if they had to rent the track for multiple days just to hold "1" event? the cost of logistics and all moving parts that go into that would be ridiculous. my prediction is they cap horsepower because they know they can't run the risk of not finishing an event on time or spilling into another day at the track.

[Imarvin240]

1. i don't see how putting a limit on hp keeps people from the sport...i mean if they want to compete they need to detune to make the max power limit.
2. you don't see a problem with having it go longer then two days because you're not hosting the event. do you have ANY idea how much that would kill a new series. if they had to rent the track for multiple days just to hold "1" event? the cost of logistics and all moving parts that go into that would be ridiculous. my prediction is they cap horsepower because they know they can't run the risk of not finishing an event on time or spilling into another day at the track.

i see your point, but even a stock z06 wouldnt be able to compete anymore if they do a 500hp cap...a horsepower cap wont work. how do you not see that classes would simplify things? time attack and every single other automotive sport uses them...and it works, no problem. some have horse power classes, some have experiance classes, and some have modification classes...but they are all classes, not caps. the main reason this is the best choice, is that everyone, no matter the horse power or whatever...can compete. also, for it to go one more day isnt that big of a deal, considering some events are already 2 day events. and you know what, if time attack and every other sport is able to do it, please explain to me why drift cant complete an event on time with it having classes?

[articdragon192]

Nahhh, power to weight would take all the fun out of it, and kill driver style.

Some drivers like big power, some like super response. It should definitely be up to them.

Formula D's new weight/tire rule is bad enough. Things like that are what kill it for me. I don't want to see the drift version of NASCAR, where all the cars are equal.

What's cool is seeing a 180whp corolla take out a 400hp skyline when you know the skyline has a better power to weight. That's skill.

Also, big smoke is cool, but it should be of less importance than speed, angle, and clipping points. Just throwing that out there. That takes a lot of the importance off big power.

Thing is in FormulaD, a car rocking 400hp can't really cut it.

[PoorMans180SX]

i see your point, but even a stock z06 wouldnt be able to compete anymore if they do a 500hp cap...

Pretty sure we're talking about wheel horsepower here, and a Z06 does not make 500whp.

Thing is in FormulaD, a car rocking 400hp can't really cut it.

Yeah, that was kind of my whole point :).

[tricky_ab]

I'm also hoping that they'll use smaller more technical tracks.

[slider2828]

The tracks are usually created by the judges and usually they are already pretty technical, but just with like 3 turns or so.... I would rather it go to 5 turns.... that would make it more fun for spectators and also people maybe can have a better look too especially at the lower speed turns at the end or something..... You can also string out the track a little so people have more choices to sit as well. It would be a better experience.

I don't think there should be a cap, but something like a sub 500 whp and a 500+ whp class.... Just so you get back the AE's and then SA22 or the FC's and even more S13's.... Its pretty hard to get 500+ whp on those motors without swapping to a 2j or whatever...

You know what would ROCK!! Team Drifiting! I actually really like watching Team Drifting competitions. Like synchronized drifting, I think people would love to watch that.... Like 5 car team drifiting, its not mainstream, but people have those competitions in Japan.

[Grenade180sx]

FD's tire rule is stupid, and it wont work. the weight difference isnt enough to make a huge deal. except for the bigger cars like the challenger or mustangs

i bet FD will change the rule mid season because someone will get around it someway some how.

FD always does that make a rule then change it mid season.

just cap the horsepower by weight rather then tire nonsense. because each tire is made differently so a cooper 275 may only have the grip of a falken 245. so if the guy on coopers is forced to run a 235 hes at a huge disadvantage.

[Karlitos]

I think it should be more of a classification thing, not capped by HP. Kinda like timeattack/autox. Limit engine swaps to a % displacement over stock, no modifying to tube frame chasis, stock body, Gutting interior but keeping certain things in their. Then maybe another full unlimited class. Tube front end, remove lighting, interior, full widebody. And some sort of class in between, that might allow widebody and more freedom but not unlimited...
IDK just an idea, we can all wish for something but in the end it comes down to a couple people deciding

[smoked240]

I think it would be sweet to have like a stock class. where there can be slight mods. Like a 2way diff.Stiffer springs, exhaust and intake and that's pretty much it.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

question:

doesn't daijiro inada own sunpros, which owns d1 corp, which owns d1? was he really that powerless to stop what was happening? or did he lose that much power within the company?

[roboticnissan]

Nahhh, power to weight would take all the fun out of it, and kill driver style.

Some drivers like big power, some like super response. It should definitely be up to them.

Formula D's new weight/tire rule is bad enough. Things like that are what kill it for me. I don't want to see the drift version of NASCAR, where all the cars are equal.

What's cool is seeing a 180whp corolla take out a 400hp skyline when you know the skyline has a better power to weight. That's skill.

Also, big smoke is cool, but it should be of less importance than speed, angle, and clipping points. Just throwing that out there. That takes a lot of the importance off big power.




this is the business right here, some great ideas come out of this POORMANS180sx character

[slider2828]

question:

doesn't daijiro inada own sunpros, which owns d1 corp, which owns d1? was he really that powerless to stop what was happening? or did he lose that much power within the company?

Its over... Basically Tsuchiya and Dai got booted out..... They voted and screamed about the direction its headed. The company is not owned by them, they started it with PARTNERS but they don't own it or manage it because they weren't the right people to do so nor did they want to manage it. Dai started committee that is in charge of that company but didn't listen to Keiichi and Dai so they left. I mean in an article I read, D1 was a bitch, they said if you don't get X amount of people per round then that round would not be put on. It's run like a corp, so Dai and Keiichi left.

I think they will have a good plan and I think Yokohama will come in and help them, but we'll see.... GOD I wish Kasuyuki Kazama will come back... I just saw an old Hot Version of him.... Geezus.... that guy was a great driver and enthusiast of everything that is about drifting.....

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

gotcha. i guess what i can figure is that tsuchiya basically wants to make MotorSportsCom Pro HD presented by Hot Version.

i really wish they would've just stuck with D1GP because in the end, a split doesn't really benefit anyone. this whole thing reminds me of US open wheel racing and how crappy the recombined IRL is right now compared to before the CART/IRL split. IRL may feel like it won, but really, everybody lost. reason being that you can't compete in both because the regulations are different. i dunno.

[slider2828]

gotcha. i guess what i can figure is that tsuchiya basically wants to make MotorSportsCom Pro HD presented by Hot Version.

i really wish they would've just stuck with D1GP because in the end, a split doesn't really benefit anyone. this whole thing reminds me of US open wheel racing and how crappy the recombined IRL is right now compared to before the CART/IRL split. IRL may feel like it won, but really, everybody lost. reason being that you can't compete in both because the regulations are different. i dunno.

Totally agree with you.... No Cart or IRL even is shown on TV. It was like that when baseball striked, hokey striked, nba striked, and now NFL will most likely strike. Its an interruption to the sport and fans don't like that nor do sponsors.... Sucks I agree, but hopefully they will establish something quick before the fan-base goes to hell...

[PoorMans180SX]

I think it should be more of a classification thing, not capped by HP. Kinda like timeattack/autox. Limit engine swaps to a % displacement over stock, no modifying to tube frame chasis, stock body, Gutting interior but keeping certain things in their. Then maybe another full unlimited class. Tube front end, remove lighting, interior, full widebody. And some sort of class in between, that might allow widebody and more freedom but not unlimited...
IDK just an idea, we can all wish for something but in the end it comes down to a couple people deciding

No no no no no. Too many rules. Power cap is easy. And no modifying in between the suspension pickup points and no moving them around like Formula D. Done.

Then judged based on clipping point, speed of initiation, angle, then smoke.

Simple, effective, and exciting.

You can have little private teams still competing with big budget teams this way.

I think it would be sweet to have like a stock class. where there can be slight mods. Like a 2way diff.Stiffer springs, exhaust and intake and that's pretty much it.

Sounds....boring.

this is the business right here, some great ideas come out of this POORMANS180sx character

Thanks.

[Toi]

More rules = bad......Get all these nancy money hungry folks away from the ruling committee, and let ANYONE who wants to compete do so.

I know a lot of people don't watch it but 200+mph Nascar was cool, old 1200hp F1 was cool, and Group B rally (off road F1 almost) was awesome. None of them exist anymore which sux IMHO.

[Karlitos]

No no no no no. Too many rules. Power cap is easy. And no modifying in between the suspension pickup points and no moving them around like Formula D. Done.

Then judged based on clipping point, speed of initiation, angle, then smoke.

Simple, effective, and exciting.

You can have little private teams still competing with big budget teams this way.


But the power cap will end up excluding people. If people are getting mad about the v8 swaps, rule them out. That will be more competitive. We'll see more RB's or SR's being tuned. If theres a power cap, everyone will have the same car, lets say 500HP cap, everyone will have a 500hp SR, same car, different coilovers, different stickers, but same engine-makes it sound like Nascar. Let teams experiment but not against the privateers.

[PoorMans180SX]

But the power cap will end up excluding people. If people are getting mad about the v8 swaps, rule them out. That will be more competitive. We'll see more RB's or SR's being tuned. If theres a power cap, everyone will have the same car, lets say 500HP cap, everyone will have a 500hp SR, same car, different coilovers, different stickers, but same engine-makes it sound like Nascar. Let teams experiment but not against the privateers.

Yeah except not. Because you could have a 500hp VQ, RB, SR, LS1, VH45, 2JZ, 1JZ, 3SGTE, etc, etc, etc, etc... Not every driver prefers the peaky power of a large-turbo four cylinder.

Not to mention it's not like the s-chassis is the only front engine rear-wheel drive car around.

Did you think before you posted? :aw:

[tricky_ab]

But the power cap will end up excluding people. If people are getting mad about the v8 swaps, rule them out. That will be more competitive. We'll see more RB's or SR's being tuned. If theres a power cap, everyone will have the same car, lets say 500HP cap, everyone will have a 500hp SR, same car, different coilovers, different stickers, but same engine-makes it sound like Nascar. Let teams experiment but not against the privateers.

Not sure if serious...

[Imarvin240]

i still say it should be a street class, modiefied class, and super modified class (just like redline time attack) each class has there own rules on modification type and if you end up doing some stuff from another class, it bumps you to the next class. look up the rules for this, they are pretty simple and so far i have yet to see time attack run into a problem with it...AND...no one is excluded! also, i agree...more rules would only make things worse for drifting

[PoorMans180SX]

Meh. Still seems kinda dumb to me. This is professional drifting. If you're at that level you should already have a certain amount of money/build time/serious hardware in your car.

Let grassroots be grassroots, and professional be professional.

[Corbic]

A power cap will not make it more affordable, just drive a different type of war to build better power bands which costs big money anyways.

[WanganNastyMachine]

Thing is in FormulaD, a car rocking 400hp can't really cut it.

Formula D will not even let you brace the chassis or have an aluminum bodied car anyhow :/ I dislike the series highly.

Im hoping Dai/KT's new series will not turn into the next Formula D.

[driftrkp]

Formula D will not even let you brace the chassis or have an aluminum bodied car anyhow :/ I dislike the series highly.

Im hoping Dai/KT's new series will not turn into the next Formula D.

i dont see how everyone is gonna hate on fd because they try and make it even for everyone. what made me want to go drifting over racing my stockcar is the fact that a guy with a $10,000 or a $100,000 car can be beat by a 3 - $4000 rolla or s-chassis. i dont know about you guys but im not gonna run out and buy a z06 vett just to drift even if it was legal and im not gonna drop 7gs in a 300-350 hp swap. i like the tire rule, i like the fact that my 450hp s13 will have the same grip level as jr gittins 800hp mustang. i dont want fd or the new (d1) to be like nascar but i dont want to be shut out by a guy that only has half the skill level i do because his pockets are deeper.

[sidewaysil80]

i dont see how everyone is gonna hate on fd because they try and make it even for everyone.i dont want to be shut out by a guy that only has half the skill level i do because his pockets are deeper.

i dont get what your saying, you disagree then agree lol (did i mis read?). nobody likes fd because its NOT even for everyone, their rules are biased as well as their judging. and i personally don't like formula d because you NEED an ls1 to be competitive. the days your talking about with hachi's beating 100,000 dollar cars are LONNGGGGG gone thanks to the mandatory "if you want to win, be competitive install a v8" rule.