Garret 35r Track and Drifting

[silvia13t14]

I have a s13 with a s14sr and i wanted to set it up for the circuit and drifting wud a garret 35r be to much or just rite?????

[Fries]

It would all depend on your personal goals.
You might like it, others probably wont.
I personally think that would net you too much power for drifting.

You don't spell very well.

[smelly240]

1- its garrett not garret.

2- what 35r are you thinking about? What housing i mean.

3- if you have a t28 now - upgrading to a 2871r or 3071/6r might be you're better bet.

[Teambadrun]

he' obviously means garrett, GT 3540

it's too big
you need atleast a stroker to get this turbo to come on anywhere below 5,000rpm

just get a 3071R

problem solved

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have fun booting at 3800 rpms 35 is more for drag were u have times to spull

[nsany(atl)]

get the 2871 with the .64 exh housing, quick spool will make 380 at the wheels all day long

[Teambadrun]

get the 2871 with the .64 exh housing, quick spool will make 380 at the wheels all day long
no chance

those figures are bs,
350rwhp is fair, running hi lift cams and 20psi of boost!!

[4x4le]

no chance

those figures are bs,
350rwhp is fair, running hi lift cams and 20psi of boost!!

Na, I have seen many 2871r with the .64 housing getting close to the 400 rwhp mark with a stock head.........
380rwhp sounds fair to me for a .64
350 for a 28rs is more like it
400 is about right for a .86 2871
and around 320ish for a stock s15 turbo

[Teambadrun]

USA must have high reading dyno's then.. haha :)

[pinkarrowsnow]

theres a whole thread about 400hp 2871r's why not get a garrett t3/t04e 60-70trim good for 500hp and spools a little later then 3grand. I have mine and love it on my Ka-t. There cheaper too then the gt's.

[SR2Zero]

no chance

those figures are bs,
350rwhp is fair, running hi lift cams and 20psi of boost!!

http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/124925-gt2871-users-sr-motor.html

Yeah.

Cody Ace has his stock ex. mani extruded making 400whp.

BS eh??

[rbpowerds14]

t3/t4 rear housing ar.48 wont make yeah high hp, but will sppol like a bitch!

[Teambadrun]

http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/124925-gt2871-users-sr-motor.html

Yeah.

Cody Ace has his stock ex. mani extruded making 400whp.

BS eh??
U.S Dyno's read high
plain and simple

[beastka101]

U.S Dyno's read high
plain and simple
oh ok. or maybe your upset cuz you couldnt make good numbers.

lmao

[Teambadrun]

im actually making little less then 400rwhp

and a GT-RS makes 300rwhp-330rwhp on a fully built motor running 20psi boost


so.. this is extremely funny if you think you can make 400hp at the wheels ( thats 300rwkw) on a GT-RS with low boost, small cams, and a .64 housing

kazama used to make 400rwhp with his @ fullboost (No wastegate on it) and that was with NOS

so think again .. seriously

[4x4le]

^^^^ I think you just have turbo confusion or something. Its been done too many times all OVER THE WORLD for you to think every us dyno is wrong.

I would say that the toilet water flusing in the opposite direction down there has some effect on your turbos, but with the nistune guys from australia I talk to having good results with the gt28 and (rs)(71)and (.64)(.86) and seeing that they make the same power as we do here in the states then that really makes me wonder what makes you think what you do think.

[smelly240]

dont worry about him 4x4le - he's trapped in his own little dream world. Apparently - in australia - every shop can rebuild ball bearing turbos, and their dynos read lower. Kazama was running a 3037proS @ 21psi and had 509HP Btw (2.2L) without spray

and I second that plenty of australians are making the same #'s from the same turbos.

[Teambadrun]

dont worry about him 4x4le - he's trapped in his own little dream world. Apparently - in australia - every shop can rebuild ball bearing turbos, and their dynos read lower. Kazama was running a 3037proS @ 21psi and had 509HP Btw (2.2L) without spray

and I second that plenty of australians are making the same #'s from the same turbos.
Kazama was not.

In 2005 he was using a GT-RS
then season after he went 2.2L 3037S.

[SR2Zero]

U.S Dyno's read high
plain and simple

Ahaha, this guy.

Well then, Maybe since it's just our side of the world... Maybe its not our dyno's, maybe our turbos put out more hp.

U.S. Turbos put out more H.P.
Plain and simple.

Or better yet, since it's been proven elsewhere not only the U.S. maybe its just you.

[Teambadrun]

Ahaha, this guy.

Well then, Maybe since it's just our side of the world... Maybe its not our dyno's, maybe our turbos put out more hp.

U.S. Turbos put out more H.P.
Plain and simple.

Or better yet, since it's been proven elsewhere not only the U.S. maybe its just you.
there is not 1 turbo in aus/nz/japan that makes 400rwhp (thats a GT-RS,aka 2871R 52T)

so.. its definately your dynos... ok ok let's just say you guys have better dynos LOL

[Teambadrun]

2871R - stock SR motor ( std cams ) and 1.2bar of boost your looking around 280rwhp

2871R - poncams, 1.4bar of boost - aka 20psi .. look to make a maximum of around 320rwhp

no more.

Not possible. AT ALL.

stock s15 turbo is good for a maximum for 220rwhp - 290RWHP - thats pushing it. with high as Intake temps!!

just use that for furture real world refference.

that is what garrett rate these at about too. so all figures ive seen here are dead spot on.

[DDSR240]

I've got a gt35-r .82 and I love it and that whole thing about not commming alive till5000 is:bs: mine starts making boost at 4000 and I get full boost at 4600 plus I have got solid lifters so I still have about 4000 rpm's of fun. GT35-R..........DO IT PUSSY.

[Teambadrun]

just curious how much power your making?
thanks

[S14DB]

2871R - stock SR motor ( std cams ) and 1.2bar of boost your looking around 280rwhp

2871R - poncams, 1.4bar of boost - aka 20psi .. look to make a maximum of around 320rwhp

no more.

Not possible. AT ALL.

stock s15 turbo is good for a maximum for 220rwhp - 290RWHP - thats pushing it. with high as Intake temps!!

just use that for furture real world refference.

that is what garrett rate these at about too. so all figures ive seen here are dead spot on.

I would get your head out of the sand. You are hardly and expert on the matter.

[SR2Zero]

I would get your head out of the sand. You are hardly and expert on the matter.

His head is way too deep to get out.

[2000gtx]

i had gt35r with .63 housing it came in at about 3800rpms...for drifting ..no..for street or drag i loved it..i would say go gt30r def good for over 400rwhp and pools now i just put one on a customers dat 510 with sr20det stock bottom end...264 cams very nice ..would be good fro drifto or roadracin...

[4x4le]

2871R - stock SR motor ( std cams ) and 1.2bar of boost your looking around 280rwhp

2871R - poncams, 1.4bar of boost - aka 20psi .. look to make a maximum of around 320rwhp

no more.

Not possible. AT ALL.

stock s15 turbo is good for a maximum for 220rwhp - 290RWHP - thats pushing it. with high as Intake temps!!

just use that for furture real world refference.

that is what garrett rate these at about too. so all figures ive seen here are dead spot on.

Dude just quit.

Here is one of my customers. fairly stock s13 sr
Stock cams
Stock choking cat converter from a s13 240sx
and a s15 turbo.
Tuned on nistune.
http://xa0.xanga.com/d64f1720c8d30230269253/b181453845.jpg

22whp huh?

Here is the link to the thread if you want to tell him he actually has less power than he actually still does.
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/235517-nistune-results.html

Hell, your in Australia, why dont you take a trip down to PLMS developments and argue with Pete Leibig and Matt Brown of nistune while your at it.

[Teambadrun]

300rwhp? = 225KW

you realise your dreaming once again

you are sooo foolish to believe that is correct.

about 5 people i know with GT-RS aka 2871R make this with poncams @ 15-17psi. I cannot believe you believe a standard T28 could possibly make that

however,

i was making at first with my K3-450R 228rwkw/305rwhp @ 14psi with 264's
and another friend made 210rwkw/281rwhp @ 21psi with 256/264 cams and his S14 motor and a PE1420

you guys are SOOO funny to believe a standard turbo can make that!! bhahahha!!!!!

Why don't you believe what garrett tells you it will make?


To me, GT-RS makes 400HP at the crank. Which is about 320rwhp-340rwhp MAX!

this means the S15 turbo can only make 220-290rwhp PUSHING with massive cams, massive boost.

Shinji Minowa's street car with S15 turbo, 280/12.5mm tomei procams and solid lifters @ 1.2bar makes 350HP which is about 290rwhp-300rwhp and thats off its head!

Why are you guys so stupid? what qtr mile times are you guys running??? alllot less then AU/NZ thats for sure!

[Teambadrun]

I would get your head out of the sand. You are hardly and expert on the matter.
You think you know about turbo's and power figures? haha ok man!! get overself and just face the facts... you cannot make 300rwhp out of a s15 turbo, on a standard SR20 and a CAT. it is NOTT i repeat NOT Possible.

[Teambadrun]

Dude just quit.

Here is one of my customers. fairly stock s13 sr
Stock cams
Stock choking cat converter from a s13 240sx
and a s15 turbo.
Tuned on nistune.
http://xa0.xanga.com/d64f1720c8d30230269253/b181453845.jpg

22whp huh?

Here is the link to the thread if you want to tell him he actually has less power than he actually still does.
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/235517-nistune-results.html

Hell, your in Australia, why dont you take a trip down to PLMS developments and argue with Pete Leibig and Matt Brown of nistune while your at it.

I know who PLMS is,

He deals with my tuner Dr.Drift
and none of them have ever seen 300rwhp out of a S15 turbo, not even with 20PSI of boost and 272's or better yet 292s!!!!!!!

are you sure these figures arnt at the ENGINE??????

[Teambadrun]

Just want you to give me an answer to this :

Christian Pickering's S15 which runs a HKS - 3037S FULL complete turbo kit

HKS 2.2L, stroker,liners,step 3 head system, etc you name it.

Power FC D-jetro
1.5 bar boost.

Makes 400rwhp ( just a tad less )

http://nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=177462http://nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=176633



And now you guys are telling me a 2871R makes that much with a shit engine and sweet fuck all boost?

really, you american's need to wake up. you guy's arn't on top of the world these days!!

[S14DB]

You think you know about turbo's and power figures? haha ok man!! get overself and just face the facts... you cannot make 300rwhp out of a s15 turbo, on a standard SR20 and a CAT. it is NOTT i repeat NOT Possible.
Yeah, look up your name on some Aussie forums and see how much you know. Seems like you are an expert on scamming. I sure wouldn't trust a word you say.

Known Bad Traders - Please Read Before Using The Classifieds - Skylines Australia (http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Bad-Traders-Read-C-t65046.html)
Nissansilvia.com -> Do you think you've lost money to Alex Kantorovski?, - Hardtuned.net (http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=212285)

[Teambadrun]

Good on you dude!!

Can you show me a 2871R making 400RWHP ?? Please

[steve shadows]

have fun booting at 3800 rpms 35 is more for drag were u have times to spull

You mean 5000?

[steve shadows]

2871R s do not make 400 WHP on real dynos - and in Australia they only use real dynos - IE Dyno Dynamics -

No dynojets down there-

So no 400 whp - makes perfect sense - you can only pull that crap on mild built srs on inlfated DJ numbers

[Teambadrun]

2871R s do not make 400 WHP on real dynos - and in Australia they only use real dynos - IE Dyno Dynamics -

No dynojets down there-

So no 400 whp - makes perfect sense - you can only pull that crap on mild built srs on inlfated DJ numbers
Thank YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! someone who actually knows about TUNING and DYNO's speak's from EXPERIANCE!!!

[tougekid]

We run mustang AWD dynos in the south.
Theres no way your getting those numbers... at lest not on a Mustang, Dyno Dynamics.

s15 turbo, 264 cams, tuned power fc, =250-260
2871r .64, 264 cams, tuned AEM =330-340
these numbers are that ive seen personally.

Mustang, Dyno Dynamics dynos = hart breakers
Dyno Jet = bragging

[rex2sx]

Its better to compare track times than dyno #s. At my school we have two of the SAME EXACT dynos, and one read 10hp higher. So i dont know whos right, but dyno numbers can vary like stated above.

[smelly240]

well, plms doesnt agree with you - they have in fact done 300rwhp on a t28.

teambadrun = aussie scamartist

matter of fact these people u mention all avoid you like the plague

[tougekid]

im not saying anything good or bad about teambadrun.
just my personal experiance.

i agree with rex2rx.

i have seen a 35r audi s4, on neo gen tires with 425hp(mustang dyno) walk on a 600+hp(dynojet) lightning...on drag slicks.

[Teambadrun]

well, plms doesnt agree with you - they have in fact done 300rwhp on a t28.

teambadrun = aussie scamartist

matter of fact these people u mention all avoid you like the plague
meh you can eat poo really
go back to making 300rwhp with your t28 :mepoke:

[4x4le]

you are hard headed, that is all.

I have probably talked to Pete Liebig way more than you, and you actually live in Australia. So many points have been brought up about you that kinda goes to show your not a stand up guy. I ought to ask Pete about you just to see what he has to say about you....

I will agree with you that the eddy current dynos such as dyno dynamics simulate road load way better than a dynojet can therefor eddy current dynos are the best to tune on, however I dont think that their method of figuring hp is right. How can you figure hp when extra load is being added to the engine?

Horse power is simply how many watts could be generated if your car were hooked up to a generator. To me, that is how dynojet figures is and that is what I consider correct.
Its funny people call eddy current dynos heart breakers and dyno jets "inflated" This argument can go on forever but which one is your real numbers? I feel that dyno jet is the right way because that was the way hp was figured when the unit of measurement was first introduced. Now just that eddy current dynos are a newer better way to tune your car does not mean that the rules to how hp is figured should be re written. I think if you really want to know how much power your car makes, tune it on a eddy current dyno, and then run it on a dyno jet. Or better yet, hook your car up to a freaken generator and make some electric power and figure it from there (which is basicially what you doing when you strap down on a dyno jet anyways).

[murda-c]

2871R s do not make 400 WHP on real dynos - and in Australia they only use real dynos - IE Dyno Dynamics -

No dynojets down there-

So no 400 whp - makes perfect sense - you can only pull that crap on mild built srs on inlfated DJ numbers


But you've said before that dyno dynamics are underrated.

[slider2828]

I really don't think a Dynojet is very accurate for real HP. I think you are referring to a post that SteveShadows said the Dyno Dynamics were reading low because something about the barrometric pressure was set wrong or something like that on his friend Jordan's car....

In general I think on a DynoJet 410 -420 with ProCams and IM and EXH manis is possible, but really.... on DynoDynamics maybe 20% less.... GT2871R's are not gods gift or anything its just a cheap alternative... I must agree though real men run GT30's and 35's and I ain't got the money or the balls to run something like that on the track or even the streets unless I have $$$$$$$ for brakes and engine work.

Going fast is easy, slowing down and controlling it is the hard part...

[4x4le]

haha, ^^^^ spool time suffers enough with the 2871 .86 though. I couldnt imagine the 35r! I would have to run a ka or rb before I would go that rout. I really would like more low end and next turbo will be a smaller one. Probably just a stock s15 turbo or ill change mine around to a 28rs.

You track your car though right? Id say its easy enough for you to stay up in the revs easy enough you could run a 35r. Some of these parking lots will throw such a tight corner in on me my rpms dip a little too low when controlling myself around it.

[Om1kron]

welcome to zilvia, your thread just got derailed bitch!


[evil laugh] MUHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!! [/evil laugh]

but seriously, learn to spelled.

;)

[water]

Fighting about hp is retarded anyway.

For me, a dyno chart represents my usable powerband and the dyno acts as tuning assistance.

If I felt compelled enough to "prove" my car's abilities to anyone, i'd take it to the track. Suck at driving or not, the trap speed tells a better tale than any dyno readout ever will.

[speedfiend]

Wow Teambadrun you sure do seem to know your turbo's hahahaha. I am going to have to disagree with you completely on your ideas of the s15 t28 turbo though and definately agree with smelly240 on this one. I have one on my s14 Sr with HKS 256/264 cams running 15psi of boost and dyno'd 296rwhp. I have the dyno sheet to prove it incase you dont believe me, just let me know and I will be more then happy to post it. This dyno is at my school (School of Automotive Machinists in Houston TX). This dyno has also been proven many times to read either dead on or a little lower then most other dynos across the country. I will be returning to run at 18psi to see what max rwhp I can get out of this set-up. Just my 2 cents on the subject.
Thanx, Cameron

[smelly240]

just so everyone knows how i feel...

teambadrun is a jerk... i wish he'd just go back to the forums in aus (oh wait hes been banned from them all with like 40 accounts for scamming).

Then he tried to namedrop like we care - and when he gets called out has a childish remark.

On the other hand, I believe that a gt35r is going to be a bit big for most people tracking their cars... a 30r is probably more suited.

[godsmack]

Ok m8 get ur story straight about the 15 turbines. I'm in japan so i don't have "good forgiving dyno's" and my buddy is pushing just under 350rwhp. not at the crank but at the wheels. And that's at 1.2bar. and 264 cams. I don't know about the 2871r but it's bigger than the 15 turbine so i'd assume that 400hp is reachable. And for silvia13t14 i'd get the 2871r. That's what i'm going to get and i've heard nothing but good things about these turbos and they're response.

[slider2828]

Ok now I can tell you first hand what is the difference abot these dynos.... and dyno jets just should go home. Cause its so bs....

I drove my ass down to LA yes LA! Just to tune with Steve and I live in Norcal.

Here are the REAL dyno numbers with HKS 264 Step1 and GT2871R To tell you the truth I was expecting under 300HP at 16.5 psi.... Crazy! Steve is the man and I will put this out, I don't think there is another person that tunes a car as methodically and detailed as Steve. Amazing and the car, I must say its neck snapping fast..... Seriously... Look at the TQ numbers....

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/gaert/PICT0072.jpg

At 4k I have 200Ft-Lbs of torque MY GOD!!!

[Omarius Maximus]

I'd rock the 35R only at the drag strip or if you need a freeway monster....really don't need that kind of power for drifting.

If you need tons of power, but still decent response, I'd suggest a forced performance HTA30R. The best of both worlds...awesome top end + good response.

[steve shadows]

Thanks Ken,

again the DD is a little low, and with 20 PSI and some 100 octane we coulod pull the car up to 350 whp range, which is close to 400 on dj.

We can work out a discounted rate for another session if you ever get the bug :)

Finally getting some 2871R cars that are put together right with the right quality parts and gear so that I can just plug in and tune it instead of spending the whole session trying to fix basic SR technical issues that the engine installer did not address (and I have had some MAJOR WELL KNOWN shop's work that is just utter crap and garbage come through).

Just FYI on this whole GT35R vs. 2871R

My GT3076R spools up only 500 rpms later than a 2871R .64 and about the same as a 2871R .86 in almost evey case study I have done.

Again it's all about BALANCE and the proper set of parts + the right kind of tuning.