Side Mount Inter Coolers

[NemeGuero]

Lets talk about them.

say for example, you have ~270whp, but you don't want a front mount intercooler.

BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT ONE! Don't ask questions.

S15 SMIC is kinda beefy, so is ARC.

How are they gonna hold up to that?

Where could you get these intercoolers for cheap?

[garagelu]

Just realize that a sidemount at 270whp will get heatsoaked really easily with hard driving. Even though s15 or ARC are a little thicker, there still isnt that much surface area to dissipate the heat.

For whatever reason you want to go with a sidemount, you will see a good 20-25 hp increase with a front mount over a sidemount. A sidemount is fine but its just not efficient.

As for pricing to give you an idea, I got a ARC sidemount with my front clip and sold it on ebay for 230 dollars on ebay when I went to a front mount. I included the core, all the piping and the brackets.

[tunersedge]

As long as the SMIC is receiving a good amount of air it will work almost as well as a FMIC. I say that because obviously with a front mount typically you have a much larger surface area that can be cooled. With the SMIC your sacraficing the size of the intercooler's surface area.

cheap intercoolers? check ebay.

[Silverbullet]

last time i checked heat exchanger equations, surface area is multiplied!

Make sure you use the ducting for the SMIC. Most people do not use any ducting for FMIC so you may be able to get slightly closer to most FMIC performances.. just making an educated guess.

[sc300fivespd]

why dont you want a front mount??



LOLOLOL jkjkjkjkj


what you can do is fabricate a duct that goes to the smic just like in supra and soarers... dont really know anything about the setups on silvias.

[NemeGuero]

Yah, it'll be properly ducted.

I dont care about the powerloss though either.

I dont want a front mount because I don't have to explain myself. EAT ME :)

[projectdrifter]

iirc the supra stock sidemount is good to 400whp. allot of dsm guys run them as an upgrade sidemount. i have never herd of any 240s/sr/rb runnig one wbut would like 2 see it.

[TanaMU]

consider air to water sidemounts

[bejota180sx]

you could, besides ARC and s15... get a small ebay or no-brand intercooler and make your own custom piping for it... if they are properly ducted and its decently sized you will get a nice cooling...

are you avoiding front mount because of the piping? just in case it's that you can get those really thin front mounts that you dont have to cut bumper that much, get one with the inlet/outlet on the same side and use side mount intercooler piping(arc had a design like this...)

Ps. forgot to say, some companies make aftermarket sidemounts for 300zx and eclipse... check those out...

[NemeGuero]

I'm avoiding Front mount because I don't want a cooler up in the front, because I like the OE piping, and.. I don't want a front mount. :)

[WoolyS14DET]

So then why don't you just do a top mount or mount it just in front of the radiator ???
The stock side mount has miles and miles of piping........= lag

[ManoNegra]

Let's you keep the front support aswell
so a 10mph crash won't fuck your frame.
also more on the down-lo.

[S13Boosts]

make a custom extended smic or something!

[SochBAT]

Duct the living crap out of it.

http://images.gmhightechperformance.com/tech/htp0104_cooler06_s.jpg

[vvtisupra]

You got a pm my friend

[NemeGuero]

So then why don't you just do a top mount or mount it just in front of the radiator ???
The stock side mount has miles and miles of piping........= lag

cuz front mounts have less piping? Are you KIDDING ME?

front mounts go down through battery trays, around front braces to in front of the radiator, all the way back around the other side, and up through in front of the fenderwell again..

F-that.

And I said I wanted a fucking SIDE MOUNT.

SHUTUP.

haha, which is why I said don't ask questions.

and the piping on stock is tiny. that wont be laggy. specially not with a t28 on a 2.4 liter.

Duct the living crap out of it.

http://images.gmhightechperformance.com/tech/htp0104_cooler06_s.jpg

It'll be ducted!! LEGIT.

custom fibreglass shrouding.

[axiomatik]

I'd take an ARC sidemount over a cheap ebay frontmount. design quality is just as important as area.

[vvtisupra]

Considering s15's make what 260 stock. The sidemount should be sufficient for a higher comp 2.4 thats flowing the same amount of air reaching your target hp number

[Ca_Silvia]

Custom make it, 4" custome made to fit stock piping. stock LxHx4" core should be a decent setup if properly ducted plus you could also rig a water sprayer application on the SMIC.

WAter sprayer is cheap and easy custome making the core would be a few bucks

[looking4-240]

a bit off topic but does anyone have know around how much power (HP), a FMIC gives?

[SoSideways]

a bit off topic but does anyone have know around how much power (HP), a FMIC gives?

Come on, this isn't Gran Turismo.

[Dousan_PG]

yeah man
go w/ a SUPRA sidemount
theya re great

[GSXRJJordan]

Side mounts are for homos and lames.

And Evan.

Get an S15 one man, it'll be fine for your lil setup - pretty cheap, low pro, etc.

[Slidin240Wayz]

mid-mount...

[NemeGuero]

I found an s15 core for pretty cheap.
I'll do a mist-sprayer setup on it..

Less I can find a Supra one for a better deal than the s15. Doubt it though.

[GSXRJJordan]

mid-mount...

This is my favorite setup, especially when you're not pumping out huge power - you get the efficiency of a small core with the cooling of a frontmount and the "I'm not turbo" look of a side mount.

I was going to go mid-mount on my S14, but ran out of funds for new IC stuff. Plus my aero looks awesome with the front mount :)

[norcal_black240]

You wont need a fmic if you get this.

DevilsOwn alcohol water injection- methanol (http://www.alcohol-injection.com/)
AEM - Water/Methanol Injection Kit with 1-Gallon Tank (http://www.aempower.com/ViewProduct.aspx?ProductID=1359)

You run 50/50 water and meth, you get the best of both worlds. Running water will help lower EGT's. Running meth will increase octane rating and if you have the right EMS you can advance timing more and run more boost with a larger saftey margin.

[NemeGuero]

SSSIIDDEEMMOUNNTT, you know.. one that goes on the SIDE.

and I'm not doing meth injections. People die from meth.

haha

I'm gonna run a WATER sprayer to spray the IC at track days.
A simple little water tank and pump system. Garden drip system status.

And Jeff, you need a big sexy FMIC so nobody looks at your cowplower. :)
You'll jock my setup when its finished. TRUST.

[GSXRJJordan]

Testing Procedure
All the C-West kits are developed in the wind tunnel and tested at air speeds of 30m/s to 40m/s which would equate to a road speed of approximately 90mph... In addition to wind tunnel testing, all new products are put to test on the circuit to prove track time gains.

Stock aero is for homos and lames

Hahaha. Silly haters.

[WoolyS14DET]

cuz front mounts have less piping? Are you KIDDING ME?

front mounts go down through battery trays, around front braces to in front of the radiator, all the way back around the other side, and up through in front of the fenderwell again..

F-that.

And I said I wanted a fucking SIDE MOUNT.

SHUTUP.

haha, which is why I said don't ask questions.

and the piping on stock is tiny. that wont be laggy. specially not with a t28 on a 2.4 liter.



It'll be ducted!! LEGIT.

custom fibreglass shrouding.


If you read my post I said a top mount or in front of the radiator up high !!! which has way less piping then any side mount !!!! Obvsouly you haven't done your research

[NemeGuero]

My name is Jeff, not Jordan, and I'm making excuses for my ugly aero.

cuz you'll need it. Does your car SEE the track?

and its still ugly. ;)

[NemeGuero]

If you rear my post I said a top mount or in front of the radiator up high !!! which has way less piping then any side mount !!!! Obvsouly you haven't done your research


Obviously you can't fucking read because my post said I want a side mount intercooler.

I have done research. This is NOT my first Ka-t.

I was ka-t 4 years before you even joined Zilvia. And I used a front mount. Yes it was mounted up high. Yes I have seen scooters setup with his intercooler right behind his grill just in front of his radiator that he had spaced out to allow 2 90degree elbows to enter the IC. What don't you understand about SIDE MOUNT? I will have zero problems with lag. its a KA.

Anything else? Kiss my ass. Go be old somewhere else.

[vvtisupra]

yah hschelley says run aem ems

[NemeGuero]

yah hschelley says run aem ems

wat?




.

[WoolyS14DET]

Obviously you can't fucking read because my post said I want a side mount intercooler.

I have done research. This is NOT my first Ka-t.

I was ka-t 4 years before you even joined Zilvia. And I used a front mount. Yes it was mounted up high. Yes I have seen scooters setup with his intercooler right in front of his grill.

Anything else? Kiss my ass.


Ohh cool guy cuz you been on zilvia longer then me !!! Can I shake your hand ??? I simply stated a suggestion. But your just better then me and so many people since you've been on zilvia longer then me !!! Do you understand that the side mount set up will cause heat soak and also is only effiecent to a ceartin point ?? But it's your car and you know it all cuz you been on zilvia longer then me so suck it BITCH !!! :fawk:

[supportTHEezln]

Ohh cool guy cuz you been on zilvia longer then me !!! Can I shake your hand ??? I simply stated a suggestion. But your just better then me and so many people since you've been on zilvia longer then me !!! Do you understand that the side mount set up will cause heat soak and also is only effiecent to a ceartin point ?? But it's your car and you know it all cuz you been on zilvia longer then me so suck it BITCH !!! :fawk:

So dramatic.

Sidemounts are cool because your car doesn't say "Hey look at me! Turbo!"
I'd assume with ducting and venting and what not, it'd work sweet. ARC, gogogo.

[NemeGuero]

Ohh cool guy cuz you been on zilvia longer then me !!! Can I shake your hand ??? I simply stated a suggestion. But your just better then me and so many people since you've been on zilvia longer then me !!! Do you understand that the side mount set up will cause heat soak and also is only effiecent to a ceartin point ?? But it's your car and you know it all cuz you been on zilvia longer then me so suck it BITCH !!! :fawk:



No, I've been ka-t before you've been on zilvia. I've done research.
I know the sidemount will heat soak.

Choke on a penis. I want a sidemount. thats why the thread is titled SIDE MOUNT INTERCOOLERS, instead of: hey old people, give me other options I'm NOT asking for.

[vvtisupra]

wat?




.

what are you gonna run for management ?

[NemeGuero]

Calum/NisTune.

who is schwepps?

[Dutchmalmiss]

I run an ARC sidemount with ducting and the beefier cusco coldpipe. Works for me. Reason I do it is to hide from the po-po's and I'm not running a high hp setup anyways. Do dat shet Neme.

[DrtyRat]

Choke on a penis. I want a sidemount. thats why the thread is titled SIDE MOUNT INTERCOOLERS, instead of: hey old people, give me other options I'm NOT asking for.
Why all the hate for old people?:naw:

[vvtisupra]

schwepps? you mean schelley

henry is the guy that was able to slide your car when it was understeering. You know he has a ka-T right. but yah he swears by the aem ems when it comes to KA-T

[NemeGuero]

I run an ARC sidemount with ducting and the beefier cusco coldpipe. Works for me. Reason I do it is to hide from the po-po's and I'm not running a high hp setup anyways. Do dat shet Neme.

gettin s15. found one cheap. It'll have the ducting, dont you worry! :)

Why all the hate for old people?:naw:

I <3 old people. I <3 you.

I don't like woolyI'msoold.

schwepps? you mean schelley

henry is the guy that was able to slide your car when it was understeering. You know he has a ka-T right. but yah he swears by the aem ems when it comes to KA-T

yeah, haha.. cool. I'ma check this Calum thing out. I had bikirom back in the day.. it was a pain but only cuz it didn't work. Seems like Calum/NisTune is the next gen. PLUS, its got realtime update..

[Slidin240Wayz]

Mid mount S15 SMIC...?!?!?!?!

[NemeGuero]

Mid mount S15 SMIC...?!?!?!?!

I'm going to stab you.
Until you bleed.
And Die.

[!Zar!]

You should swoop up my arc.
haha.

Shit will work fine for the power you're looking to make.

If you really want, add ducting and an efan.
haha.

[WoolyS14DET]

It's guys like you that make me laugh !!!
And if you call 29 being old that makes me laugh as well !!
I see it as bye the time you were getting in high school I was already a master tech for Nissan/Infiniti as well as a respected fabricator who has been down the road that your going down long before you !!!
Good luck on your car and I hope it works out for you !!! I also look forward to the day that I run into you at the track !!!!

[redline racer510]

when you guys say smic from supra what year are you taking about because i have access to a 92 supra ic

[slider2828]

You know, if it ain't enough.... weld two side mounts together.... Supra guys do it that way as well. You can side stack or stack it behind, its up to you, but it works. Its just basically a heat exchanger and it increases your champer size...

+ 1 for sidemounts cause they will have much less lag.....

So if that S15 isn't engouh, get another one and port it and weld it togther...

[SochBAT]

Corrugated plastic ducting FTW!

http://www.preservationequipment.com/UserData/root/Products/Images/000311_0.jpg

You can pay me money for the idea. Kthanks.

[NemeGuero]

You should swoop up my arc.
haha.

Shit will work fine for the power you're looking to make.

If you really want, add ducting and an efan.
haha.

How much? PM me price.

It's guys like you that make me laugh !!!
And if you call 29 being old that makes me laugh as well !!
I see it as bye the time you were getting in high school I was already a master tech for Nissan/Infiniti as well as a respected fabricator who has been down the road that your going down long before you !!!
Good luck on your car and I hope it works out for you !!! I also look forward to the day that I run into you at the track !!!!

I love you too buddy. You and your bald spot. :kiss: And I don't lack respect for you, just your reading comprehension abilities.

I want a side mount.
Yo quiero un side mount.

when you guys say smic from supra what year are you taking about because i have access to a 92 supra ic
MKIV

[Dousan_PG]

mid mount bro
that would be the best
do it
doooo eeeeeeeeettt

[INeedNewTires]

did you even consider a small sidemounted water to air intercooler? From what i've read they are much more efficient than air-air so a small sidemounted one would work nicely. I'm not exactly sure what your goin for here though so....

[looking4-240]

Come on, this isn't Gran Turismo.

you can lick my b***s, it was a simple question that you obviously cant answer....:wtc:

[racepar1]

One thing to keep in mind with intercoolers is that you can go too big. The hugest intercooler is NOT the best. I have driven SR cars with ginormous e-ghey intercoolers and a few with stock side mounts. The ones with the stock side mount intercoolers boost faster and respond quicker. You have to find the right balance. With a t-25 or t-28 you will lose performance with the typical intercooler kit, but a side mount will not be enough if you are tracking or drifting your car.

Go with the ARC if you can get one for a good price.

[NemeGuero]

mid mount bro
that would be the best
do it
doooo eeeeeeeeettt

hahaha Oh Aaron, you kill me.

One thing to keep in mind with intercoolers is that you can go too big. The hugest intercooler is NOT the best. I have driven SR cars with ginormous e-ghey intercoolers and a few with stock side mounts. The ones with the stock side mount intercoolers boost faster and respond quicker. You have to find the right balance. With a t-25 or t-28 you will lose performance with the typical intercooler kit, but a side mount will not be enough if you are tracking or drifting your car.

Go with the ARC if you can get one for a good price.

You totally let me down. I got excited when I saw you had posted in my thread. I was waiting to get into an e-thug war with you. I was LITERALLY SMILING..

Yah, I know I don't want a huge intercooler. Never have. My old setup was a starion core. it was cute.



and no sir, above asking about the air to water. Thats too much for what I want. I'll be ok with a good ducted SMIC and a sprayer of some kinds strictly for track use.

[MrChow]

You should swoop up my arc.
haha.

Shit will work fine for the power you're looking to make.

If you really want, add ducting and an efan.
haha.
I want it =o
I was thinking about the efan. I didn't know if it would work.

NemeGuero I was going to something for SMIC too for my research for when I got KA-T. Now I got my info. Keep in touch I wanna know how it works out for you.

[LA_phantom_240]

Come on, this isn't Gran Turismo.

I lol'd. Hard.

[racepar1]

hahaha Oh Aaron, you kill me.



You totally let me down. I got excited when I saw you had posted in my thread. I was waiting to get into an e-thug war with you. I was LITERALLY SMILING..

Yah, I know I don't want a huge intercooler. Never have. My old setup was a starion core. it was cute.



and no sir, above asking about the air to water. Thats too much for what I want. I'll be ok with a good ducted SMIC and a sprayer of some kinds strictly for track use.

You suck! And so do s-14's!



Happy now?
:cool:


I generally try to post one useful post before I go off. I know the answer, mount an s-15 sidemount on the friggin hood! That would be soooo cool! I SWEAR!

[Sonic Motor]

heres a good reason why u'd want SMIC.

when you get pulled over. SMIC is hidden.
FMIC is exposed.

I've been popp'ed many times, becuz my setup is stock. They did not suspect anything illegal. *knock on wood*

[hatboyfox]

my friend got a blitz sidemount with his sr front clip it was huge. maybe you should look into that

[MrChow]

heres a good reason why u'd want SMIC.

when you get pulled over. SMIC is hidden.
FMIC is exposed.

I've been popp'ed many times, becuz my setup is stock. They did not suspect anything illegal. *knock on wood* ^^ Thank you. That's why I"d want one.

[NemeGuero]

You suck! And so do s-14's!



Happy now?
:cool:


I generally try to post one useful post before I go off. I know the answer, mount an s-15 sidemount on the friggin hood! That would be soooo cool! I SWEAR!


Thank you! I was beginning to think you were going soft on me..

[CIutchCollidE]

I've been popp'ed many times, becuz my setup is stock. They did not suspect anything illegal. *knock on wood*

Sounds good to me :angel:

[codyace]

Just realize that a sidemount at 270whp will get heatsoaked really easily with hard driving. Even though s15 or ARC are a little thicker, there still isnt that much surface area to dissipate the heat.

A quality core will work just fine. There are tons of fast GNX/TurboTA/TType/300zx/Poopra guys running balls quick with upgraded sidemounts.


Come on, this isn't Gran Turismo.

HAHAHA HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHA Imaginary Rep!


yeah, haha.. cool. I'ma check this Calum thing out. I had bikirom back in the day.. it was a pain but only cuz it didn't work. Seems like Calum/NisTune is the next gen. PLUS, its got realtime update..

Calum is a class act. Stuff works GREAT for the Sentra crowd!

[Addicted2Kouki]

I've heard of SW20 guys running small fans on their Side mounts especially because its all up in the back in the quarter panel.

[s13 @ fullboost]

Dude just go a V mount and be badd ass =]

[racepar1]

Dude just go a V mount and be badd ass =]

Ya then the cops don't even have to bend over and look in the radiator opening to see the intercooler. GREAT idea for cali guys! :mepoke: LOL!

[Dousan_PG]

bah
cops dont know anything

i got harrassed for a blue hose that went from my radiator to my coolant overflow.

nevermind the sr, the fmic and the rest of the stuff in the engine bay
haha

[s13 @ fullboost]

^^^ thanks for getting my back haha =]

[racepar1]

bah
cops dont know anything

i got harrassed for a blue hose that went from my radiator to my coolant overflow.

nevermind the sr, the fmic and the rest of the stuff in the engine bay
haha


LOL! They TOTALLY missed the turbo and shit and went for a fucking hose!!!??? Damn those are some REALLY observant cops! :duh:

[NemeGuero]

A quality core will work just fine. There are tons of fast GNX/TurboTA/TType/300zx/Poopra guys running balls quick with upgraded sidemounts.




HAHAHA HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHA Imaginary Rep!



Calum is a class act. Stuff works GREAT for the Sentra crowd!

better than nistune? I'm debating between the 2.

Dude just go a V mount and be badd ass =]

I am badass. I will stab you. SMIC!

[s13 @ fullboost]

whatever man just get your side mount make sure you keep it cool I saw you wanna spray it that would work good. Also the blitz one sounds good =]

[racepar1]

whatever man just get your side mount make sure you keep it cool I saw you wanna spray it that would work good. Also the blitz one sounds good =]

He's still gunna stab you. He's crazy like that! LOL!

[s13 @ fullboost]

I can handle it bro I maybe young But I can taking a stabbing =] better not be in any vital areas though k thanks haha

[bardabe]

you can also get a 1st gen DSM SMIC or a Turbo Golf SMIC, they are both pretty beefy. as well they run around 60$ all day on DSM forums. supra ic's run closer to 100$

[s13 @ fullboost]

Thats because the supra one is better

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

the fan idea is awesome
like if your found a 4 or 6 inch fan and put at pusher and a puller that would work awesomely

[!Zar!]

bah
cops dont know anything

i got harrassed for a blue hose that went from my radiator to my coolant overflow.

nevermind the sr, the fmic and the rest of the stuff in the engine bay
haha

I was state reffed for a blue samco radiator hose...

He was more worried about the hose than he was my top mount turbo and fmic.

[racepar1]

I can handle it bro I maybe young But I can taking a stabbing =] better not be in any vital areas though k thanks haha


Bwwwwwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Sooooo......you can take a stabbin huh? :rofl:

[MrChow]

I get the 2nd stab!!

[NemeGuero]

There is plenty of stabbing to go around. I'm giving.

I found what I'm going with. Thanks guys. :kisses: to my new friends.

[sc300fivespd]

dual side mount

[racepar1]

dual side mount

Fuck that, quadruple side mount with 10 NOS n-tercooler sprayers! Raddest shit evar right there!

[SoSideways]

I think the Audi TTs w/ the 225hp motors actually have dual side mounts for that dinky 1.8T engine, so it's not unheard of...

[Dutchmalmiss]

Isn't the current GTR running dual side mounts?

[slider2828]

^^ Yup but they have two turbos on each side... Hmmmm How does the Z32 run?

[SoSideways]

Isn't the current GTR running dual side mounts?

It's more common for V shaped engines to run dual side mounts, especially when they're running twin turbos where there is one turbo on each bank.

Think of the twin turbo Z32s.

It is more uncommon to find that setup on a single turbo inline 4 engine though.

[sc300fivespd]

hahah thought i was joking.. thats sad lol. i seen dual side mount with FMIC... thats just stupid. its like lag lag lag BOOM, hella fast lol. u can get upgrade side mounts tha are thicker and flow better.

[codyace]

better than nistune? I'm debating between the 2.


Go with the Calum. He's seriously an email or a phone call away at all times, plus he's always up for helping anyone out.

Check out the following/fan base he has on the FWD forums, it's worldwide :D

-Cody Ace

[Om1kron]

It's guys like you that make me laugh !!!
And if you call 29 being old that makes me laugh as well !!
I see it as bye the time you were getting in high school I was already a master tech for Nissan/Infiniti as well as a respected fabricator who has been down the road that your going down long before you !!!
Good luck on your car and I hope it works out for you !!! I also look forward to the day that I run into you at the track !!!!


Damn Nemo got suuuuuuuuurved!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/om1kron/Random%20Stuff/yougotserved.gif

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!

[racepar1]

Damn Nemo got suuuuuuuuurved!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/om1kron/Random%20Stuff/yougotserved.gif

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!


You shoulda used a pic from the south park episode. It would have been better.

[Def]

Go with the thickest/widest one you can fit and duct it out in front of your front tire(exit). Inlet needs to be about 80% the area of the core with a rounded lip on the front edge and a slow expansion to the core to keep the flow from stalling before the core.

I tracked my car a few times with the stock SMIC and the power loss and knock from super high IATs was pretty brutal(stock S13 SR tune, which isn't great, but it never knocked on the street, and this was with 93 octane). The car seriously felt like it picked up ~30 rwhp at 8-9 psi on a T25 during a rain session compared to the 80 deg F temps before. The car dyno'd at 205 rwhp at 8 psi, so the power loss was painfully apparent by about lap 2-3. I had the stock SMIC duct and stock SMIC fenderliner - essentially a bone stock S13 SR setup besides an exhaust.

So I understand why you want a SMIC, but you need to really concentrate on getting as big a core as possible and ducting it as well as possible. Dumping water on the track by spraying the core will be a big no-no, so not an option.

[Om1kron]

You shoulda used a pic from the south park episode. It would have been better.

Whats sad is there is a website full of gif files just for that movie.

[PoorMans180SX]

Go with the thickest/widest one you can fit and duct it out in front of your front tire(exit). Inlet needs to be about 80% the area of the core with a rounded lip on the front edge and a slow expansion to the core to keep the flow from stalling before the core.

I tracked my car a few times with the stock SMIC and the power loss and knock from super high IATs was pretty brutal(stock S13 SR tune, which isn't great, but it never knocked on the street, and this was with 93 octane). The car seriously felt like it picked up ~30 rwhp at 8-9 psi on a T25 during a rain session compared to the 80 deg F temps before. The car dyno'd at 205 rwhp at 8 psi, so the power loss was painfully apparent by about lap 2-3. I had the stock SMIC duct and stock SMIC fenderliner - essentially a bone stock S13 SR setup besides an exhaust.

So I understand why you want a SMIC, but you need to really concentrate on getting as big a core as possible and ducting it as well as possible. Dumping water on the track by spraying the core will be a big no-no, so not an option.

Yup. And don't forget a puller fan on the back and ducting off the back (to a lower-pressure zone preferably).

[Goldeneye9mm]

if you're going to track it or just drive the piss out of it on a regular basis you should not only consider a puller fan but maybe a water jet system or maybe even a Co2 or N2o sprayer to get it back to cold during a heat soak condition. good luck neme

[NemeGuero]

Go with the thickest/widest one you can fit and duct it out in front of your front tire(exit). Inlet needs to be about 80% the area of the core with a rounded lip on the front edge and a slow expansion to the core to keep the flow from stalling before the core.

I tracked my car a few times with the stock SMIC and the power loss and knock from super high IATs was pretty brutal(stock S13 SR tune, which isn't great, but it never knocked on the street, and this was with 93 octane). The car seriously felt like it picked up ~30 rwhp at 8-9 psi on a T25 during a rain session compared to the 80 deg F temps before. The car dyno'd at 205 rwhp at 8 psi, so the power loss was painfully apparent by about lap 2-3. I had the stock SMIC duct and stock SMIC fenderliner - essentially a bone stock S13 SR setup besides an exhaust.

So I understand why you want a SMIC, but you need to really concentrate on getting as big a core as possible and ducting it as well as possible. Dumping water on the track by spraying the core will be a big no-no, so not an option.

I figured out what core I'm getting. I will duct it. No Fan, and the amount of water coming out of the system i'm putting together will not dump water on the track and the little that does drip will evaporate before it hits the ground.



if you're going to track it or just drive the piss out of it on a regular basis you should not only consider a puller fan but maybe a water jet system or maybe even a Co2 or N2o sprayer to get it back to cold during a heat soak condition. good luck neme

Thanks vato!

No fan, just the sprayer.. I'll post some pics when i get the ducting and sprayer setup.

[Def]

I figured out what core I'm getting. I will duct it. No Fan, and the amount of water coming out of the system i'm putting together will not dump water on the track and the little that does drip will evaporate before it hits the ground.


You should never intentionally spray ANY fluid while on track. I've heard of people getting kicked out of a track event for doing crap like that.

[NemeGuero]

I won't spray, I'll mist. and I'll do it pre-run just for you. Not mid session.

[Def]

I won't spray, I'll mist. and I'll do it pre-run just for you. Not mid session.

I'm hoping your instructor asks you why you're being all Fast and the Furious fiddling with some crap to "make some more power:trogdor:" going down the straight and makes you pull in to the pits and have a chat with the chief instructor. :Owned:

[NemeGuero]

Its not to make more power. its to prevent heat soak.

Thanks everyone for your input, but I figured out what i want to do.

I'm locking this thread.

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