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*NemeGuero* · 11-20-2008, 10:15 AM

Lets talk about them.

say for example, you have ~270whp, but you don't want a front mount intercooler.

BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT ONE! Don't ask questions.

S15 SMIC is kinda beefy, so is ARC.

How are they gonna hold up to that?

Where could you get these intercoolers for cheap?

*garagelu* · 11-20-2008, 10:24 AM

Just realize that a sidemount at 270whp will get heatsoaked really easily with hard driving. Even though s15 or ARC are a little thicker, there still isnt that much surface area to dissipate the heat.

For whatever reason you want to go with a sidemount, you will see a good 20-25 hp increase with a front mount over a sidemount. A sidemount is fine but its just not efficient.

As for pricing to give you an idea, I got a ARC sidemount with my front clip and sold it on ebay for 230 dollars on ebay when I went to a front mount. I included the core, all the piping and the brackets.

tunersedge · 11-20-2008, 10:29 AM

As long as the SMIC is receiving a good amount of air it will work almost as well as a FMIC. I say that because obviously with a front mount typically you have a much larger surface area that can be cooled. With the SMIC your sacraficing the size of the intercooler's surface area.

cheap intercoolers? check ebay.

Silverbullet · 11-20-2008, 10:45 AM

last time i checked heat exchanger equations, surface area is multiplied!

Make sure you use the ducting for the SMIC. Most people do not use any ducting for FMIC so you may be able to get slightly closer to most FMIC performances.. just making an educated guess.

sc300fivespd · 11-20-2008, 11:03 AM

why dont you want a front mount??

LOLOLOL jkjkjkjkj

what you can do is fabricate a duct that goes to the smic just like in supra and soarers... dont really know anything about the setups on silvias.

*NemeGuero* · 11-20-2008, 11:10 AM

Yah, it'll be properly ducted.

I dont care about the powerloss though either.

I dont want a front mount because I don't have to explain myself. EAT ME

projectdrifter · 11-20-2008, 11:12 AM

iirc the supra stock sidemount is good to 400whp. allot of dsm guys run them as an upgrade sidemount. i have never herd of any 240s/sr/rb runnig one wbut would like 2 see it.

TanaMU · 11-20-2008, 11:13 AM

consider air to water sidemounts

bejota180sx · 11-20-2008, 11:16 AM

you could, besides ARC and s15... get a small ebay or no-brand intercooler and make your own custom piping for it... if they are properly ducted and its decently sized you will get a nice cooling...

are you avoiding front mount because of the piping? just in case it's that you can get those really thin front mounts that you dont have to cut bumper that much, get one with the inlet/outlet on the same side and use side mount intercooler piping(arc had a design like this...)

Ps. forgot to say, some companies make aftermarket sidemounts for 300zx and eclipse... check those out...

*NemeGuero* · 11-20-2008, 11:22 AM

I'm avoiding Front mount because I don't want a cooler up in the front, because I like the OE piping, and.. I don't want a front mount.

WoolyS14DET · 11-20-2008, 11:29 AM

So then why don't you just do a top mount or mount it just in front of the radiator ???
The stock side mount has miles and miles of piping........= lag

*ManoNegra* · 11-20-2008, 11:31 AM

Let's you keep the front support aswell
so a 10mph crash won't fuck your frame.
also more on the down-lo.

*S13Boosts* · 11-20-2008, 11:32 AM

make a custom extended smic or something!

SochBAT · 11-20-2008, 11:49 AM

Duct the living crap out of it.

vvtisupra · 11-20-2008, 11:59 AM

You got a pm my friend

*NemeGuero* · 11-20-2008, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WoolyS14DET

So then why don't you just do a top mount or mount it just in front of the radiator ???
The stock side mount has miles and miles of piping........= lag

cuz front mounts have less piping? Are you KIDDING ME?

front mounts go down through battery trays, around front braces to in front of the radiator, all the way back around the other side, and up through in front of the fenderwell again..

F-that.

And I said I wanted a fucking SIDE MOUNT.

SHUTUP.

haha, which is why I said don't ask questions.

and the piping on stock is tiny. that wont be laggy. specially not with a t28 on a 2.4 liter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soooshi

Duct the living crap out of it.

It'll be ducted!! LEGIT.

custom fibreglass shrouding.

axiomatik · 11-20-2008, 12:03 PM

I'd take an ARC sidemount over a cheap ebay frontmount. design quality is just as important as area.

vvtisupra · 11-20-2008, 12:11 PM

Considering s15's make what 260 stock. The sidemount should be sufficient for a higher comp 2.4 thats flowing the same amount of air reaching your target hp number

Ca_Silvia · 11-20-2008, 12:26 PM

Custom make it, 4" custome made to fit stock piping. stock LxHx4" core should be a decent setup if properly ducted plus you could also rig a water sprayer application on the SMIC.

WAter sprayer is cheap and easy custome making the core would be a few bucks

looking4-240 · 11-20-2008, 12:38 PM

a bit off topic but does anyone have know around how much power (HP), a FMIC gives?

SoSideways · 11-20-2008, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by looking4-240

a bit off topic but does anyone have know around how much power (HP), a FMIC gives?

Come on, this isn't Gran Turismo.

Dousan_PG · 11-20-2008, 12:43 PM

yeah man
go w/ a SUPRA sidemount
theya re great

GSXRJJordan · 11-20-2008, 12:46 PM

Side mounts are for homos and lames.

And Evan.

Get an S15 one man, it'll be fine for your lil setup - pretty cheap, low pro, etc.

Slidin240Wayz · 11-20-2008, 12:48 PM

mid-mount...

*NemeGuero* · 11-20-2008, 01:10 PM

I found an s15 core for pretty cheap.
I'll do a mist-sprayer setup on it..

Less I can find a Supra one for a better deal than the s15. Doubt it though.

GSXRJJordan · 11-20-2008, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slidin240Wayz

mid-mount...

This is my favorite setup, especially when you're not pumping out huge power - you get the efficiency of a small core with the cooling of a frontmount and the "I'm not turbo" look of a side mount.

I was going to go mid-mount on my S14, but ran out of funds for new IC stuff. Plus my aero looks awesome with the front mount

norcal_black240 · 11-20-2008, 01:26 PM

You wont need a fmic if you get this.

DevilsOwn alcohol water injection- methanol
AEM - Water/Methanol Injection Kit with 1-Gallon Tank

You run 50/50 water and meth, you get the best of both worlds. Running water will help lower EGT's. Running meth will increase octane rating and if you have the right EMS you can advance timing more and run more boost with a larger saftey margin.

*NemeGuero* · 11-20-2008, 01:34 PM

SSSIIDDEEMMOUNNTT, you know.. one that goes on the SIDE.

and I'm not doing meth injections. People die from meth.

haha

I'm gonna run a WATER sprayer to spray the IC at track days.
A simple little water tank and pump system. Garden drip system status.

And Jeff, you need a big sexy FMIC so nobody looks at your cowplower.

You'll jock my setup when its finished. TRUST.

GSXRJJordan · 11-20-2008, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by http://www.c-westusa.com/labs/fudo1.asp

Testing Procedure
All the C-West kits are developed in the wind tunnel and tested at air speeds of 30m/s to 40m/s which would equate to a road speed of approximately 90mph... In addition to wind tunnel testing, all new products are put to test on the circuit to prove track time gains.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff

Stock aero is for homos and lames

Hahaha. Silly haters.

WoolyS14DET · 11-20-2008, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NemeGuero

cuz front mounts have less piping? Are you KIDDING ME?

front mounts go down through battery trays, around front braces to in front of the radiator, all the way back around the other side, and up through in front of the fenderwell again..

F-that.

And I said I wanted a fucking SIDE MOUNT.

SHUTUP.

haha, which is why I said don't ask questions.

and the piping on stock is tiny. that wont be laggy. specially not with a t28 on a 2.4 liter.

It'll be ducted!! LEGIT.

custom fibreglass shrouding.

If you read my post I said a top mount or in front of the radiator up high !!! which has way less piping then any side mount !!!! Obvsouly you haven't done your research

11-20-2008, 10:15 AM	#1
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Side Mount Inter Coolers Lets talk about them. say for example, you have ~270whp, but you don't want a front mount intercooler. BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT ONE! Don't ask questions. S15 SMIC is kinda beefy, so is ARC. How are they gonna hold up to that? Where could you get these intercoolers for cheap? __________________

11-20-2008, 11:03 AM	#5
sc300fivespd Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: nor cal Age: 32 Posts: 69 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	why dont you want a front mount?? LOLOLOL jkjkjkjkj what you can do is fabricate a duct that goes to the smic just like in supra and soarers... dont really know anything about the setups on silvias. __________________ 1994 SC300 5spd 1 of 227, 2jzgte, r154 5 speed.

11-20-2008, 11:10 AM	#6
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Yah, it'll be properly ducted. I dont care about the powerloss though either. I dont want a front mount because I don't have to explain myself. EAT ME __________________

11-20-2008, 11:12 AM	#7
projectdrifter Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: myrtle beach,south carolina Posts: 932 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	iirc the supra stock sidemount is good to 400whp. allot of dsm guys run them as an upgrade sidemount. i have never herd of any 240s/sr/rb runnig one wbut would like 2 see it. __________________ Mouth of the South There are a few mailboxes that have been looking at me the wrong way, lately. Nothing goes unchecked.

11-20-2008, 11:22 AM	#10
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	I'm avoiding Front mount because I don't want a cooler up in the front, because I like the OE piping, and.. I don't want a front mount. __________________

11-20-2008, 10:24 AM	#2
garagelu Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 36 Posts: 1,856 Trader Rating: (60) Feedback Score: 60 reviews	Just realize that a sidemount at 270whp will get heatsoaked really easily with hard driving. Even though s15 or ARC are a little thicker, there still isnt that much surface area to dissipate the heat. For whatever reason you want to go with a sidemount, you will see a good 20-25 hp increase with a front mount over a sidemount. A sidemount is fine but its just not efficient. As for pricing to give you an idea, I got a ARC sidemount with my front clip and sold it on ebay for 230 dollars on ebay when I went to a front mount. I included the core, all the piping and the brackets.

11-20-2008, 10:29 AM	#3
tunersedge Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ohio Age: 34 Posts: 221 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	As long as the SMIC is receiving a good amount of air it will work almost as well as a FMIC. I say that because obviously with a front mount typically you have a much larger surface area that can be cooled. With the SMIC your sacraficing the size of the intercooler's surface area. cheap intercoolers? check ebay.

11-20-2008, 11:13 AM	#8
TanaMU Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 151 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	consider air to water sidemounts

11-20-2008, 11:16 AM	#9
bejota180sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,173 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	you could, besides ARC and s15... get a small ebay or no-brand intercooler and make your own custom piping for it... if they are properly ducted and its decently sized you will get a nice cooling... are you avoiding front mount because of the piping? just in case it's that you can get those really thin front mounts that you dont have to cut bumper that much, get one with the inlet/outlet on the same side and use side mount intercooler piping(arc had a design like this...) Ps. forgot to say, some companies make aftermarket sidemounts for 300zx and eclipse... check those out...

11-20-2008, 11:29 AM	#11
WoolyS14DET Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 42 Posts: 1,310 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	So then why don't you just do a top mount or mount it just in front of the radiator ??? The stock side mount has miles and miles of piping........= lag

11-20-2008, 11:31 AM	#12
ManoNegra Guild of Skullduggerous Intent Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Socal Posts: 7,841 Trader Rating: (48) Feedback Score: 48 reviews	Let's you keep the front support aswell so a 10mph crash won't fuck your frame. also more on the down-lo.

11-20-2008, 11:32 AM	#13
S13Boosts Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: VEGAS Posts: 5,292 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	make a custom extended smic or something!

11-20-2008, 11:49 AM	#14
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 35 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Duct the living crap out of it.

11-20-2008, 11:59 AM	#15
vvtisupra Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SB and OC Posts: 2,118 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	You got a pm my friend __________________ http://www.fuckdrama.com/

11-20-2008, 12:03 PM	#17
axiomatik Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 4,697 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'd take an ARC sidemount over a cheap ebay frontmount. design quality is just as important as area. __________________

11-20-2008, 12:11 PM	#18
vvtisupra Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SB and OC Posts: 2,118 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Considering s15's make what 260 stock. The sidemount should be sufficient for a higher comp 2.4 thats flowing the same amount of air reaching your target hp number __________________ http://www.fuckdrama.com/

11-20-2008, 12:26 PM	#19
Ca_Silvia Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The cold north Posts: 71 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Custom make it, 4" custome made to fit stock piping. stock LxHx4" core should be a decent setup if properly ducted plus you could also rig a water sprayer application on the SMIC. WAter sprayer is cheap and easy custome making the core would be a few bucks __________________ Drift cars have no business being practical, fast, or functional.

11-20-2008, 12:38 PM	#20
looking4-240 Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: SoCal OC/LA Posts: 101 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	a bit off topic but does anyone have know around how much power (HP), a FMIC gives?

11-20-2008, 12:43 PM	#22
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	yeah man go w/ a SUPRA sidemount theya re great __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

11-20-2008, 12:46 PM	#23
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: << 626 >> Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Side mounts are for homos and lames. And Evan. Get an S15 one man, it'll be fine for your lil setup - pretty cheap, low pro, etc. __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

11-20-2008, 12:48 PM	#24
Slidin240Wayz Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Everywhere Age: 36 Posts: 5,427 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	mid-mount... __________________ Support Zilvia by purchasing a sticker!

11-20-2008, 01:10 PM	#25
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	I found an s15 core for pretty cheap. I'll do a mist-sprayer setup on it.. Less I can find a Supra one for a better deal than the s15. Doubt it though. __________________

11-20-2008, 01:26 PM	#27
norcal_black240 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: yuba city (norcal) Age: 34 Posts: 710 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	You wont need a fmic if you get this. DevilsOwn alcohol water injection- methanol AEM - Water/Methanol Injection Kit with 1-Gallon Tank You run 50/50 water and meth, you get the best of both worlds. Running water will help lower EGT's. Running meth will increase octane rating and if you have the right EMS you can advance timing more and run more boost with a larger saftey margin. __________________

11-20-2008, 01:34 PM	#28
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	SSSIIDDEEMMOUNNTT, you know.. one that goes on the SIDE. and I'm not doing meth injections. People die from meth. haha I'm gonna run a WATER sprayer to spray the IC at track days. A simple little water tank and pump system. Garden drip system status. And Jeff, you need a big sexy FMIC so nobody looks at your cowplower. You'll jock my setup when its finished. TRUST. __________________

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