Cage pic thread.

[s13dan]

Lets see them, if you got a cage post the pics. If you built the cage lets see some build pics too! I love seeing good welding&metal fab skills.If i had a cage i would post it.

[driftedfc3s]

Here's my cage in the racecar. It was done by Tim at TIP (wiisass).

http://driftbrigade.us.eu.org/240sx/Cage-Painted/IMG_0747.jpg

http://driftbrigade.us.eu.org/240sx/Cage-Painted/IMG_0748.jpg

http://driftbrigade.us.eu.org/240sx/Cage-Painted/IMG_0750.jpg

[DriftMUH]

fresh cage. even a PMS'ing polar bear couldnt break through that

[WoolyS14DET]

Sexy cage !!! Nice werk !!!

[EDT007]

Here's my cage in the racecar. It was done by Tim at TIP (wiisass).

http://driftbrigade.us.eu.org/240sx/Cage-Painted/IMG_0747.jpg

http://driftbrigade.us.eu.org/240sx/Cage-Painted/IMG_0748.jpg

http://driftbrigade.us.eu.org/240sx/Cage-Painted/IMG_0750.jpg


Would you mind PM'ing me the price he gave you for it? I'm from NJ also and am in the middle of building a full track car. Thanks.

[bribot]

do bolt-ins count??? crushco with a harness bar.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/thefaintdubber/DSC_5911.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/thefaintdubber/DSC_5910.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/thefaintdubber/DSC_5908.jpg

[JSnismo240sx]

:aw:What Kind Of Cage Is that? Im saving up for my 1993 nissan 240sx. Is that a cusco.

[!Zar!]

A cage constructed by Tim = /thread.

Posting a pic of a cusco cage is a slap in his face just to be a post after his work...

[Brian]

http://media.ziptied.com/members/files/2/cage.jpg
Safety21 6 point dash escape with added in Safety21 door bars.

[bribot]

A cage constructed by Tim = /thread.

Posting a pic of a cusco cage is a slap in his face just to be a post after his work...

sorry man i was just tryin to contribute to the thread

[eDmSiL80]

my cage in my race car. done at lm24.net

final stage before paint

http://a725.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/1/l_90509c30c8ac8bf424dfb4fb29d832cc.jpg

http://a852.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/71/l_1a9b1f413dd8e6d7b99171e86c22ea83.jpg

http://a202.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/121/l_034e11a0fe380bce1f780af93bbbae31.jpg

http://a85.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/88/l_1f3b901cec4af0f1dff32ac66e6b50e4.jpg

complete

http://a271.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/68/l_1cbca76ca56aebd6dbe4e42403a59526.jpg

http://a374.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/74/l_1ee5ff54f2b540f8fed97fd269c8c81d.jpg


http://a944.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/32/l_3ae6728f43c01d00c749b1a05655cb77.jpg

all tig welded

[greddyguy]

A cage constructed by Tim = /thread.

Posting a pic of a cusco cage is a slap in his face just to be a post after his work...

look at this nutswinger!! Maybe contribute instead of bashing

[BlckBeautyVTEC]

My Buddy Martins Cage in his FC, he's the fabricator at Parts Shop Max they've done a good amount and ima get mine there soon too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/ScooterS14/Martins%20Cage/MartinsCage005.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/ScooterS14/Martins%20Cage/MartinsCage008.jpg

[s13dan]

wow all very impressive... i want a cage :(

[driftedfc3s]

I'm not sure if Tim is building cages at the moment. I shot him a link to this thread, so we'll see when he replies.

[alexander500]

Here's one I put in a friend's miata:
http://thumb7.webshots.net/t/65/765/5/46/6/2923546060103250827HHPsMy_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2923546060103250827HHPsMy)

This one I did for a local shop in an SRT-4 neon(NHRA spec):
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/7528/0000220qs2.th.jpg (http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000220qs2.jpg)
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/6915/0000217ap4.th.jpg (http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000217ap4.jpg)
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9417/0000225cm8.th.jpg (http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000225cm8.jpg)

[gotta240]

[quote=driftedfc3s;2288092]Here's my cage in the racecar. It was done by Tim at TIP (wiisass).

http://driftbrigade.us.eu.org/240sx/Cage-Painted/IMG_0747.jpg



I knw ANYTHING Tim WISSAS does is very well thought out and calculated. With that being said, why is the main hoop so far from the car where the two upper bends are.? (where the roof meets the rear quarter windows......very upper left most part of cage in picture)

Ideally, wouldn't those two points hug the car like the rest of the cage? Dont get me wrong, not bashing at all. Just wondering what the reasoning is behind this so I will be better prepared to build my own cage. I plan on making it as tight to the car as possible unless i hear a reason not to.

[!Zar!]

I know ANYTHING Tim WISSAS does is very well thought out and calculated. With that being said, why is the main hoop so far from the car where the two upper bends are.? (where the roof meets the rear quarter windows......very upper left most part of cage in picture)

Ideally, wouldn't those two points hug the car like the rest of the cage? Dont get me wrong, not bashing at all. Just wondering what the reasoning is behind this so I will be better prepared to build my own cage. I plan on making it as tight to the car as possible unless i hear a reason not to.

Maybe it has something to do with providing cushion of some sort? Fuck if I know.

look at this nutswinger!! Maybe contribute instead of bashing

Hahaha. Fuck you.

[getsideways]

Hey, I just installed my cage and don't want to pull the glass and dont want the cage to rust. What kind of paint do you guys use? I heard you can do a 1 stage paint with brush that won't leave too many brush marks?

[burnsauto]

Hey, I just installed my cage and don't want to pull the glass and dont want the cage to rust. What kind of paint do you guys use? I heard you can do a 1 stage paint with brush that won't leave too many brush marks?

POR and a foam brush.

[Flicktitty]

man, some yall fuckers take that shit seriously!

Anyone got any NHRA Certified cages?

[tt99ol]

I knw ANYTHING Tim WISSAS does is very well thought out and calculated. With that being said, why is the main hoop so far from the car where the two upper bends are.? (where the roof meets the rear quarter windows......very upper left most part of cage in picture)

Ideally, wouldn't those two points hug the car like the rest of the cage? Dont get me wrong, not bashing at all. Just wondering what the reasoning is behind this so I will be better prepared to build my own cage. I plan on making it as tight to the car as possible unless i hear a reason not to.

if you look closer it is because he used gussets to attach the cage to the b-pillars, and its alot easier to weld in gussets with some room, plus gussets are much stronger than having the cage near the chassis because they make the cage part of the chassis

[gotta240]

Yes, but all other parts of the cage are much tighter. Instead of using a 4" gusset, why not just use a 2" gusset and make it look better? I'm sure he has a reason and will chime in soon.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

man, some yall fuckers take that shit seriously!

Anyone got any NHRA Certified cages?
It's hard to keep up with NHRA specs. They're changing the rules about little things every year so it gets expensive to tear out the cage, modify it, then put it back in. I'm sure some of us have spec cages, well the custom cages.

I cut out my cage because I underestimated how close I was to the steering wheel (my height). I'll post some pics of the new cage post paint as soon as I get dressed and go outside and take pics with my phone.

Here's my old cage:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/Random5595/DSC03840-1.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/Random5595/DSC03837-1.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/Random5595/DSC03836-1.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/Random5595/DSC03835-1.jpg

not as clean as some on here but it was trial and error at the beginning. The new cage is 200x better and cleaner than this.

[racepar1]

Yes, but all other parts of the cage are much tighter. Instead of using a 4" gusset, why not just use a 2" gusset and make it look better? I'm sure he has a reason and will chime in soon.

If it is tucked that close then how are you supposed to get in there to weld it all together? Short of cutting the roof off that is. And I am not talking about the gussets I am talking about where the front leg attaches to the main hoop. I think that is the primary reason.

[s13dan]

http://a202.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/121/l_034e11a0fe380bce1f780af93bbbae31.jpg
^^^ thats how to do it, makes me grow a big rubbery one.

[-***JOKER***-]

this thread is a good idea i ll need to do mine soon...

[chibo]

If it is tucked that close then how are you supposed to get in there to weld it all together? Short of cutting the roof off that is. And I am not talking about the gussets I am talking about where the front leg attaches to the main hoop. I think that is the primary reason.

Drop it through the floor?

[champagnes13]

Drop it through the floor?


thats what i was going to say +1

[racepar1]

Drop it through the floor?

Cutting holes in the floor directly under where the cage is supposed to be mounted TO the floor is an extraordinarily terrible and un-safe idea. :mepoke:

[awesomenick]

Isn't that how blu808 does it? Cutting off the roof is hardcore. haha.

[Cloud9]

Nice cages, keep the pics coming im loving the ideas!

[chibo]

Cutting holes in the floor directly under where the cage is supposed to be mounted TO the floor is an extraordinarily terrible and un-safe idea. :mepoke:

Except that's how it is very commonly done.
Building a Roll Cage (http://www.millerwelds.com/education/articles/article96.html)

[gotta240]

Cutting holes in the floor directly under where the cage is supposed to be mounted TO the floor is an extraordinarily terrible and un-safe idea. :mepoke:


Now is this just another one of YOUR IDEAS or is this some factual info that you can provide evidence of?

I've spoken with fairly hardcore cage builders who are more than happy to cut a hole in the floor to get a PROPER FITTING cage. So seriously, do you have any evidence of this other than your opinion... Like quotes from REAL cage builders saying this? Untill then, i call bullshit.

[blu808]

Now now.

If you were retarded and were planning to just weld the hoop to the floor, then yes it might be a bad idea to cut a hole there.

If you are like any sensible fabricator you would know that the floor has about the same strength as a lunch box.

It is fine to cut a hole in the floor in order to lower the cage and get to the joints up top for proper welding. Assuming you are going to be plating and boxing the hoops mounting area in properly with 1/8" plate after the cage has been lifted back up.

[eDmSiL80]

heres some of the progress pics

http://a461.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/107/l_f8b9d402da41f6af32f3efba2cbc7d64.jpg

http://a301.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/109/l_1d51bec525d4aa6758bfcd31b3c707c4.jpg

http://a108.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/96/l_94e585eaa3144518c910b133d88f0aab.jpg

http://a175.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/123/l_ec3f2089380612ebab7ccb12aea3706e.jpg

http://a223.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/94/l_9785fe6f3f7df9689a4688c9abfe1a2e.jpg

custom seat rails.
http://a177.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/19/l_8d3a567d96b6378183f31a630bf69820.jpg

my teammate stevey boys cage.

http://a186.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/55/l_46265b03dbf9535f1d6e26bea1911869.jpg

http://a831.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/77/l_49313c8cc23a236e9594bac18278e2de.jpg

http://a905.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/103/l_220cba1031c9fc3c34a8888c1f156ef8.jpg

http://a418.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/31/l_a131cb4bb9442dcf7145a5d6def98c59.jpg
http://a775.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/111/l_d94c89dfed8032797d2a1dd520355f2e.jpg

http://a871.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/94/l_7b69cc1e24f4c8e02dee457871c5f26e.jpg

[scottie]

Or you can take it outside the car........

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis6.jpg

[s13dan]

OK, heres my geuss on cages, i havent read anything outside this thread, nor do i know much about making one. I would say making a cage indepently boxed in, welded into the car is one way to do it. The floor keeps it in place, not so much for strenth. Or cant you weld it into the frame? The places that i see where the welds are on the floor, are directly in contact with the frame, is that right?I see jeep guys cut the floor to get to the frame.- Either way thats my 2cents i dunno shit. They all look great.I just love seeing ppl cut the roof off, seems to makes since if your wanting really good welds and easy to paint.

[lazysk8er2]

so we got the cages in whats the weight factor anyone weigh their cars after they got it done? just wanna see numbers if neone has any. very very good work dudes lets see some more!

[blu808]

That is correct. However our cars do not have a frame to weld too. That is why you must box it into a major bulkhead.

[chibo]

That's how it's done with offroad trucks - minus Cherokees, which are like most cars and the 240 - unibodies. There is no 'frame' in the traditional sense.

[s13dan]

:duh: unibody.... im sleepy. Yea i know that, the places where folks are placing gussets is really strong, multiply (six ply?) steel.And the strut towers=super strong. But no actual frame under it. Got it.

[DeadlyZ33]

That cage is really sick but why did Pro Fab have to advertise on your shit?

[gotta240]

Cutting holes in the floor directly under where the cage is supposed to be mounted TO the floor is an extraordinarily terrible and un-safe idea. :mepoke:

Read Blu808's reply before spreading more bullshit please. :fawk2:

[racepar1]

Now now.

If you were retarded and were planning to just weld the hoop to the floor, then yes it might be a bad idea to cut a hole there.

If you are like any sensible fabricator you would know that the floor has about the same strength as a lunch box.

It is fine to cut a hole in the floor in order to lower the cage and get to the joints up top for proper welding. Assuming you are going to be plating and boxing the hoops mounting area in properly with 1/8" plate after the cage has been lifted back up.

Huh, I've haven't heard of that before. You know I trust your opinion on fabrication of pretty much anything.

Read Blu808's reply before spreading more bullshit please. :fawk2:

Relax nancy, nobody is perfect. YOU included! :mrmeph:

[scottie]

Maybe its a southern thing but all the 8-9 second domestic guys around my place cut a hole in the floor, drop it through to weld the top of the cage, then lift it back up. They then weld the floor plate over small hole and weld the cage to the plates. Then they get underneath, patch the metal so it wont gather moisture and voila!

Scott

[blu808]

racepar1: yea no biggie man. :-)

[thefro526]

Maybe its a southern thing but all the 8-9 second domestic guys around my place cut a hole in the floor, drop it through to weld the top of the cage, then lift it back up. They then weld the floor plate over small hole and weld the cage to the plates. Then they get underneath, patch the metal so it wont gather moisture and voila!

Scott

It's more or less of preference and the spec the cage is built to for most installs. For most people it's easier to cut a hole in the thin piece of steel that we call a floor pan use that to get desired fitment then it is to cut off the roof like some people do. If you think about it, cutting a hole into the floor and then replacing it with an even stronger piece of sheet metal sounds better than just welding to the floor. Really, at the end of the day who the hell cares how a cage got in their car as long as it's safe, meets spec, and is cost effective.

[s13dan]

:bow:^^^ werd

[Wiisass]

So for Justin's cage, it doesn't fit perfectly, it could definitely be better. The part of the main hoop that is above the harness bar and goes into the horizontal part at the roof isn't that far away, but it could be closer. But it's a compromise, you could have a cage that fits up against all the body panels, but then you spend as much time cutting parts out and welding them back in so you can weld all around the tubes that it ends up being not worth it. I also think that I was making the distance between the center of the two top bends on the main hoop a little closer to each other than I do now when I did that cage.

But it's strong, it fits pretty well and there's a ton of room for the driver, which I think it more important than having a tube 1/2" closer to the body. But also, my cages are always evolving, I am always finding different and better ways to do things, to make things fit better, to make them easier to weld, etc. I'm still very happy with how Justin's cage came out, the main hoop could be a little tighter and I could've done something a little different with the bends in the halo, but that's just nitpicking. You hardly even notice the cage when you're driving the car or even getting in and out. It's not intrusive or in the way, but you know it's there and strong.

I tend to leave a little room around points that are going to be in tight corners if possible. If you can't get a good weld all the way around the tube, then there is no point of even putting it there. On my cages, it's mostly the lower points that are tucked a little in. So the bottom of the main hoop and bottom of the a-pillar bars are pushed a little away from the wall so that I can get in there and make sure everything is strong. But I have been pushing the middle bend closer to the body than before. So now I put the location where the harness bar bolts up and where the dash bar goes across against the walls of the chassis.

With some of the cages I've seen that have bars with "perfect" fitment, I've noticed some that aren't even welded all the way around. Or there is some half-assed, make it look like it's welded crap going on. I just don't trust stuff like that.

It's definitely possible to get perfect fitment, but it depends on your process and how much time you really want to put into it. Cutting the roof off is one of the things that I would love to start doing, but people won't want to pay for it. There are also some other tricks that could be done to get bars in tighter spots, but again, it would get expensive labor wise. I wish I could have someone walk in and give me a blank check and tell me to hide the cage in the unibody. It would be awesome, but it's not going to happen.

As for the holes in the floor. I don't like them. It's not that it isn't a way to do it, but I just have some problems with it. It goes back to the way I design my cages. I'm real anal about everything being where I want it to and being symmetric, so I do things a little differently.

But if you cut holes, it's fine, just make sure to seal underneath the car after you weld the base plates on. And put a little thought into the base plates, but that goes for all cages. Just one flat pieces of metal welded to the thin metal of the floor isn't going to help spread the load as well as a single piece of metal with bends and welded to both horizontal and vertical parts of the chassis. You don't have to go crazy with it, but at least a little something more in good in most spots.

But I have a ton of pics in my gallery of the cages that I've done.
TIP Roll Cages (http://www.tipengr.com/gallery/cages/)

I haven't posted up some of the more recent work, but hopefully I'll make some more progress on my brother's supra soon and then I'll put pics of that up.

[gotta240]

Great reply. Very informative.

Thanks!

Edit. Since you know your shit....

I will be buying ONE die for the trikes "build it yourself" bender. What die to you recommend? 90, 180? 6 inch bend or 7 inch bend?

[blu808]

180 dies are always nice. You can def get by with just a 90, but its always nice to know you can go all the way.

I use 5.5 and 6 " CLR dies. keep in mind the tighter the radius, the harder it is to bend. Also you run into material thickness limitations if you go too tight.

I would stick with 6" or 5.5" CLR. Anything tighter seems to be unnecessary.

Just my 2 cents.
Luke

[gotta240]

Great. Will deff. go with the 6" 180degree then. I was planning on using 1 3/4 90 wall DOM. Any reason to use something different for a stock weight s14?

Also, any advice/opinions on dimple dies? IE: most common size used and do i need to go top of the line or can i just get the cheaper ones since i'm only doing a few cages a year?

Thanks for your reply/expertise

[blu808]

I like to use 1.5 x .120 or .125 dom in my cars 240s/rx-7s.

Reason being is that it smaller, takes up less room, and is easier to get the tubing out of the drivers way (head), which if your tall 6ft+ really makes a difference with head room.

1 3/4" is cool, but I think it just looks too big in our cars, and looks like it belongs on a off road truck, or rock crawlers.

[C. Anderson]

Cutting holes in the floor directly under where the cage is supposed to be mounted TO the floor is an extraordinarily terrible and un-safe idea. :mepoke:

Umm, not if you have a good penetrating weld.

[Volchok]

Umm, not if you have a good penetrating weld.

your like a week late with that comment...read the thread before posting...

[C. Anderson]

your like a week late with that comment...read the thread before posting...

I know it was posted a week ago.:fawk2:

[KiDyNomiTe]

Here is mine, done by Jacobson Motorsports

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Grip%20Gambler%20Pictures/1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/DSC01759.jpg
http://www.driftlive.com/photos/driftlive_gallery/midwestcup_07_rd6/dd19_010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/chas01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/hom2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/hom1.jpg

[C. Anderson]

^
You're car is so sick!

[alexander500]

I just finished this rear half cage for an auto-cross guy in his Civic hatchback:
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7365/0000257wz7.th.jpg (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000257wz7.jpg)http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1443/0000258xz5.th.jpg (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000258xz5.jpg)
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/5499/0000259yj1.th.jpg (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000259yj1.jpg)http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/5816/0000260km6.th.jpg (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000260km6.jpg)

[s13dan]

Saftey Rules!

[SlideWell]

Position 1 Racecraft Position1 (http://www.position1.net)
i gotta throw up pics of his cages. Justin Elin fabricated Haruguchi's Falken/Silkroad S13.5 cage (the gold one) and even tho i dont have one i feel i should share pictures of others he did.
All his cages are custom tailored to suit your specific needs. if i had the extra dough, well, he'd be the only person id have fabricate a cage for me.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/PearlWhiteS14/l_a7e03cb0c3b50a6b1482b2c0ea06fc2b.gif
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/PearlWhiteS14/l_925012fd4cd78383af8328adcedb4f77.gif
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/PearlWhiteS14/l_e6b898260586e9efe228bf4087d00568.gif
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/PearlWhiteS14/l_0695d081a74c1e7684aae3e6e579932c.gif
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/PearlWhiteS14/l_2b6dd2968ce3ce45bb1e7808fe9e6358.gif
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/PearlWhiteS14/l_bddffc2538a86d98f11d86c0ca54d252.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/PearlWhiteS14/l_53c13176dbd1bdf9c735fd40c0d4e0cd.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/PearlWhiteS14/l_3f51ce74c1537a438d4f76470591d5f3.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/PearlWhiteS14/l_52103058b35fbded4417699d0979cf4f.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/PearlWhiteS14/l_83eda062ec79fcc131e716abba59d533.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/PearlWhiteS14/l_acb2bbec865dc667c8b8f3d4cce446bb.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/PearlWhiteS14/p1-2.jpg

[GTSR]

There's some amazing work here... but I'm wondering if anyone has actually done the science for the layout and positioning of these cobweb style cages. Or if it's a general.. "yeah that's where they all put em so we can't be wrong" approach?

I'd want to maintain max visibility and keep the car as safe and light as possible!

[jobestudios]

http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd352/JacksonVaughnAlbum/Caged%20Chassis%20For%20Sale/240forsale.jpg
http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd352/JacksonVaughnAlbum/Caged%20Chassis%20For%20Sale/Shellq.jpg
http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd352/JacksonVaughnAlbum/Caged%20Chassis%20For%20Sale/Shellk.jpg
http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd352/JacksonVaughnAlbum/Caged%20Chassis%20For%20Sale/Shelli.jpg
http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd352/JacksonVaughnAlbum/Caged%20Chassis%20For%20Sale/Shellg.jpg
http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd352/JacksonVaughnAlbum/Caged%20Chassis%20For%20Sale/Shelll.jpg

have to sell it :(

[alexander500]

I removed my old cage and am in the process of installing a new one. This is what is looks like so far:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5747/0000306tw3.th.jpg (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000306tw3.jpg)http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3430/0000310ks7.th.jpg (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000310ks7.jpg)
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6751/0000307uc1.th.jpg (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000307uc1.jpg)http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3997/0000308iu9.th.jpg (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000308iu9.jpg)

[nightshiftgarage]

illl post mine up when my interior overhaul is finished .sound deadening and paint prep blows

[Bushido]

http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd352/JacksonVaughnAlbum/Caged%20Chassis%20For%20Sale/Shelll.jpg

have to sell it :(

are those just drilled holes in those gussets, they dont look dimple dyed.

[greddyguy]

^^^^^^
not to mention the welds on that. looks like only one side of the gussets have been welded. that cage looks like it adds more weight than being functional or safe

[discosteak]

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp167/discosteak_photo/100_1459-1.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp167/discosteak_photo/100_1460.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp167/discosteak_photo/100_1461.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp167/discosteak_photo/100_1463.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp167/discosteak_photo/100_1465.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp167/discosteak_photo/100_1466.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp167/discosteak_photo/100_1467.jpg

i have to cut the cage out and put it in another car because i totaled this chassis :(

[blu808]

Nice cage. To bad the car died.

[AznDrftr.]

Wow, these are great. I want a weld in one, but i guess a bolt in one will have to do.

That "is" okay right??

[Koopa Troopa]

From the land of bolt in stuff.

The 180 had a basic Saftey 21 7 point.. Nothing worth posting.
The Silvia had a basic 8 point cross type. Shitty pictures is all I have...
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/Sillbeer%20S14/DSC_0006.jpg

The Alto Works had an Achieve Saito Rollcage 8 point cross type. Dude makes whatever rollcage you want in his backyard.:rofl:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/Alto%20Works/LD8A7054.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/12%20Jul%2007/LD8A7462.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/12%20Jul%2007/LD8A7460.jpg
Not a bad cage for something that took the dude two weeks to build.

The Civic has a 7 point with some added on stuff. B billar connectors, door bars and a bar that connects the main hoop to the uh, main hoop...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/3019511411_b573e2afa2.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3052/3020331514_748d9daa84.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3277/3020324694_098697b717.jpg

[Andrew @ 240sxMotoring]

http://site.cipmotorsports.com/uploads/cage/1.jpg
http://site.cipmotorsports.com/uploads/cage/2.jpg
http://site.cipmotorsports.com/uploads/cage/3.jpg
http://site.cipmotorsports.com/uploads/cage/4.jpghttp://site.cipmotorsports.com/uploads/cage/5.jpg

[noname7198]

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj283/turboh224g/mainhoop.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj283/turboh224g/halo.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj283/turboh224g/cpillar.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj283/turboh224g/cpillar2.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj283/turboh224g/plate1.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj283/turboh224g/xbar2.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj283/turboh224g/xbar3.jpg

Painted:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj283/turboh224g/paint6.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj283/turboh224g/paint8.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj283/turboh224g/paint9.jpg

[!Zar!]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/12%20Jul%2007/LD8A7460.jpg

Nice shoes. haha

[discosteak]

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj283/turboh224g/paint9.jpg

diagonal bar should be one peice

[scottie]

Here is some shots of the S&W kit in my coupe:

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis23.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Chassis24.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/IMG_0296.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/IMG_0298.jpg

I will post completed pics as well.

[murda-c]

Lets have a thread where we all post awkward videos of us climbing into caged cars.

[WoolyS14DET]

I Love this thread !!! +1

[Brian]

I hate ugly cages.

[-***JOKER***-]

i need to learn how to weld...i want one too...

[Rnz520]

Wow there is a lot of nice work in this thread, but I do have one question.
A lot of these cages have been tig welded down to the gussets, and unless they are chromoly, I want to ask why?, since tig is not any stronger than mig, and it is a higher heat deposition process, which means it can make the metal brittle if welded too slow.
There are some beatiful welds, I wish my tig welding was that good but I am not there yet.

[McCoy]

I guess to keep this thread going... this is a pretty basic 4-pt cage made with 1.75" .095 DOM tubing. I'll update the post once I get the seats out to get a few more shots.

http://www.prmsg.org/albums/album93/S13_cage_03.sized.jpg

http://www.prmsg.org/albums/album93/S13_cage_04.sized.jpg

http://www.prmsg.org/albums/album93/S13_cage_05.sized.jpg

http://www.prmsg.org/albums/album93/S13_cage_01.sized.jpg


http://www.prmsg.org/albums/album93/S13_seat_mount_reinforced.sized.jpg

[RPSil13]

When a cage is boxed in like so, does the bar go through the box or does it sit on top
sorry for the dumb question, but i havent seen anyone address this

http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd352/JacksonVaughnAlbum/Caged%20Chassis%20For%20Sale/Shelli.jpg

[Zerolift Autolab]

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg308/Zerolift-Auto/Upcoming%20S13%20Vert/ZL033.jpg
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg308/Zerolift-Auto/Upcoming%20S13%20Vert/ZL034.jpg
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg308/Zerolift-Auto/Upcoming%20S13%20Vert/ZL039.jpg

Just a couple quick ones of our S13 Vert :D

[scottie]

Wow there is a lot of nice work in this thread, but I do have one question.
A lot of these cages have been tig welded down to the gussets, and unless they are chromoly, I want to ask why?, since tig is not any stronger than mig, and it is a higher heat deposition process, which means it can make the metal brittle if welded too slow.
There are some beatiful welds, I wish my tig welding was that good but I am not there yet.


We did mine with a TIG because it not only penetrates real well, it leaves a very nice bead. And since you are not suppose to grind down the welds on a cage to make it pretty because of NHRA certification rules.

[95Gstman]

I know that these are not my cars, but the powered by max cages are sick.
If I had unlimited funds, this would be the route I would go.

POWERED BY MAX: ワンオフパーツだ®åˆ¶ä½œ Fabrication at MAX USA (http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/page.php?8)

[TurboFC3C]

I'm bumping this thread in hopes of discovering more ideas for weld-in roll cages, and to see what people are doing these days for the S-chassis cars.

I've searched and also found an older cage thread, ( http://zilvia.net/f/chat/123976-post-pics-roll-cages.html ) but bumped this one because it's a little more recent.

[Maiku240sxS14]

Just got my cage put in. Its not quite done, will be going back to get the door bars and gussets on the A-pillar and B-pillar. Then of course paint. Well here's what it looks like so far....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/nihon_jin/S14%20Cage/DSC00050.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/nihon_jin/S14%20Cage/DSC00049.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/nihon_jin/S14%20Cage/DSC00053.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/nihon_jin/S14%20Cage/DSC00051.jpg

[XenoVibe]

if i could mig or tig weld and had the tools i'd do it myself. unfortunately I dont have the tools or knowledge or money :(

[cxlumpy]

if i could mig or tig weld and had the tools i'd do it myself. unfortunately I dont have the tools or knowledge or money :(


get a mig welder and start practicing. i wouldnt start by welding a cage. safety first man! try welding an exhaust

[GWB654]

here is the cage me and my buddy put in my 91 fastback. started out as a S&W and then we added to it.

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/GWB654/IMG_0301.jpg
http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/GWB654/IMG_0302.jpg
http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/GWB654/IMG_0531.jpg
http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/GWB654/IMG_0533.jpg
http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/GWB654/IMG_0635.jpg
http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/GWB654/IMG_0636.jpg
http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/GWB654/IMG_0637.jpg
http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/GWB654/IMG_0643.jpg

[discosteak]

new car new cage
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/discosteak/P1000142.jpg
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/discosteak/P1000143.jpg
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/discosteak/P1000145.jpg
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/discosteak/P1000146.jpg
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/discosteak/newcarfastandcrazy.jpg

[discosteak]

here are some more ive done
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/vh450sx/zacks13/zack009.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/vh450sx/zacks13/zack025.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/vh450sx/zacks13/zack024.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/vh450sx/miguels13/miguel006.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/vh450sx/miguels13/miguel003.jpg

[vboy720]

anyone have pics of cage and full interior?

[HYPNOTIK]

anyone have pics of cage and full interior?

Here ya go, sorry it's only a 5-point though.
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn87/SkylineGT_01/DSC_0505-1.jpg
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn87/SkylineGT_01/DSC_0502.jpg
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn87/SkylineGT_01/DSC_0501-3.jpg

[BustedS13]

that looks nice, and appropriate for a street car.
the two above it, all i can think is crash, thunk *splat*

[discosteak]

that looks nice, and appropriate for a street car.
the two above it, all i can think is crash, thunk *splat*


the two above however will pass tech inspection, the one below them will not

[HYPNOTIK]

the two above however will pass tech inspection, the one below them will not

Good thing we don't have any tracks over here.:rolleyes:

[ShereKhan]

id stick with a safety 21 5 point bolt in with added doors bars. Theres just to much going on with a lot of welded cages where it looks like a damn spider web. Some cars make it look good some don't, but its just not for me

[discosteak]

Good thing we don't have any tracks over here.:rolleyes:

you dont even need a cage to tandem at most tracks in japan. most places over here require a cage and firesuit to drive on the track by yourself

[HYPNOTIK]

When I get back to the states I will have a better cage but for now It's my DD and baby hauler so I have to work with what I got.

[sr20boostn20]

id stick with a safety 21 5 point bolt in with added doors bars. Theres just to much going on with a lot of welded cages where it looks like a damn spider web. Some cars make it look good some don't, but its just not for me


its not about how it looks,

tight to the headliner and the a pillars door panels looks good.

but the main focus is safety, if your getting a cage for looks your an idiot and chances are your car doeent need one

[Brian]

I got my cage for looks.

[Jeezy240]

for right now all i have is a picture of my door bars.

the cage was done by Lethal Injection in Atlanta Georgia.
this was before the dash bar was installed.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh297/islidesidewayz/IMG00095-20090302-1753.jpg

[discosteak]

When I get back to the states I will have a better cage but for now It's my DD and baby hauler so I have to work with what I got.
shit theres nothing wrong with that sometimes i wish people were as relaxed here as they are there about safety equipment. like NOPI was horrible to have to spend all that money on useles shit

[David B S12]

steak i still cant over how clean your welds are. didnt you do ryans manifold or something, those looked great? you went to school or something for that? are you certified?

[drift_limo]

I got my cage for looks.

isnt thats what its for?
:keke:

[Lucas180]

Can anyone give a rough estimate on how much a 6 point roll cage costs you ? or maybe some piks of a nice 6 point cage?

thanks

[Maiku240sxS14]

Can anyone give a rough estimate on how much a 6 point roll cage costs you ? or maybe some piks of a nice 6 point cage?

thanks

You should really try searching on your own....there are plenty here on this site to get a rough estimate on a cage. It all varies...there are bolt in, that have thru dash or escape dash, weld in cage, etc. Google 21 safety cage. I say a rough estimate will be $1200

[anotherblusi]

Custom six point in my s13. Low profile door bars for getting in and out easier. Left the rear diagonal out for more storage space.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p215/srhim214/IMG_2843.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p215/srhim214/IMG_2845.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p215/srhim214/IMG_2844.jpg

Pfeiffer hard at work helping me weld the cage in... (I don't trust my mig skills yet)

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p215/srhim214/IMG_2841.jpg

One more gratuitous shot of the chassis and engine...

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p215/srhim214/IMG_2835.jpg

[discosteak]

steak i still cant over how clean your welds are. didnt you do ryans manifold or something, those looked great? you went to school or something for that? are you certified?

i only went to school to certify. yeah i did ryans manifold. thanks david

[s13dan]

I was getting close to getting my cage, then I relized I REALLY should get a new dash before its installed. So now i need to locate a blue dash. :(

[javieraguilar91_69]

Those are some nice weldings!.

[J90lude]

Seems like I might have a insecure wallet soon haha:D

[dsc4130]

i only went to school to certify. yeah i did ryans manifold. thanks david
were did you go to school for it? im really interested in professional welding?

[240srhatch]

damn those are some nice cages

[Backintoans13]

Gonna be getting my cage done in a couple of weeks but wanted to get your guys recommendation on what size i should go with.

DOM
1.5" .095
1.5" .125
1.75" .095
1.75" .125

Thanks guys!

[Maiku240sxS14]

It all depends on what you want to do with the car. What type of racing/drifting events and what there regulations are. It also depends on the weight of the car that determines whats legal size piping you should use.

[Jeezy240]

Gonna be getting my cage done in a couple of weeks but wanted to get your guys recommendation on what size i should go with.

DOM
1.5" .095
1.5" .125
1.75" .095
1.75" .125

Thanks guys!

in my car i have 1.75 .095 DOM

i like it. but it also adds a little weight.

it depends on what you wanna do with it.

[S14_Kouki]

my cage built by me :)

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g269/pandadrifter/IMG_0685.jpg

[discosteak]

were did you go to school for it? im really interested in professional welding?


Earlbeck gases and technology in Baltimore MD

[WhiteGLX]

Full NASA/SCCA legal cage for road racing. 1.625"x0.120" tubing.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/sr20goofus/FMIC/PICT0343.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/sr20goofus/Stack%20ST8100/PICT0329.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/sr20goofus/Stack%20ST8100/PICT0333.jpg

[artdrifter]

That weld looks pretty skarry. Do it right the first time or let the cage fail.

http://www.prmsg.org/albums/album93/S13_cage_05.sized.jpg

[McCoy]

That weld looks pretty skarry. Do it right the first time or let the cage fail.

A 20 year old expert on welds I see :goyou:

FWIW... it may not be the prettiest weld, but that weld (as do all the rest) does have penetration and will hold up better than any bolt-in cage, which is all I wanted.



Here's what a 'skarry' weld looks like...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Thekid129/MYDC0061-1.jpg

[teamsprock]

Trying to keep this thread alive! Here's my cage so far. Will probably add some more bars and gusseting. Either a kidney bar or another full bar to make for X door bars, although these are very easy to get in so the kidney bar may be the best choice for me.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/TS4l/IMG_5604.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/TS4l/IMG_5605.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/TS4l/IMG_5606.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/TS4l/IMG_5607.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/TS4l/IMG_5608.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/TS4l/IMG_5609.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/TS4l/IMG_5610.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/TS4l/IMG_5611.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/TS4l/IMG_5612.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/TS4l/IMG_5613.jpg

[C-unit]

anyone has any tips on painting the top of the cage???

[teamsprock]

I think I am going to use POR and a foam brush. SHould be able to get into some pretty tight spots. But I'm with you anyone with tips on painting it I would also love to know.

[!Zar!]

Hard to make it out, but how well does that fair for head room with a helmet on?
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/TS4l/IMG_5606.jpg

[teamsprock]

Not too bad, the seats and Bride rails help out a lot. I think if you have seats like my Old Recaro's you may have some troubles. With a helmet I am about 5" away from that bar.

[jay pee]

damn all those weld on cages are sick ..my gf baught me a bolt on 6pt just so i can tandem at events...still saving to get a weld on roll cage though

[atutt]

anyone has any tips on painting the top of the cage???

If you're welding the cage the proper way. While the cage is still sitting through the floor, you paint the tops... Then finish everything else.

damn all those weld on cages are sick ..my gf baught me a bolt on 6pt just so i can tandem at events...still saving to get a weld on roll cage though

No they aren't. They are really quite iffy. I'm actually concerned. (Not being a dick. I'm actually concerned)
Not only to the welds look horrible, I see a crater or two (great place for failures). It also looks like the wind blew the gas away or he forgot to turn it on. (Orange-redish like dust looking stuff). No gas coverage areas are another great place for failures. deposition rates are all wacky as well.

Teamsprock. I think you should do some serious practicing. Those welds look really iffy. I would be concerned. If you would like some helpful advice you can PM me. I'd be glad to help you.

[Otto347]

A 20 year old expert on welds I see :goyou:

Well how bout a 30 year olds opinion. That weld looks like dog shit.


1.625x.120 DOM

http://otto-fab.com/pics/01.21.2010_cage_weld.jpg

http://otto-fab.com/pics/01.21.2010_hoop_crossbar.jpg

[MunsonAuto]

As far as painting the cage goes, don't use POR15. The stuff smells and will linger in the car for ages. I've been in a caged STI that was POR15'd over a year ago and it still distinctly smells like the stuff.

I used Rustoleum indoor/outdoor gloss black and a regular 1.5" brush. $4.99 for a pint and I covered my entire "6point" cage. No brush strokes, lays out very flat/smooth and looks great.

Here's pics of my cage build-up:
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs148.snc3/17574_273120242943_531157943_3452477_703553_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs128.snc3/17574_273120247943_531157943_3452478_6887763_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs128.snc3/17574_273122147943_531157943_3452517_6301949_n.jpg

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs148.snc3/17574_273122152943_531157943_3452518_5222911_n.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs148.snc3/17574_273122157943_531157943_3452519_3319394_n.jpg

dusty...arghhh
http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs128.snc3/17574_273123062943_531157943_3452522_2385837_n.jpg

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs128.snc3/17574_281396552943_531157943_3481603_6950592_n.jpg

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs148.snc3/17574_281396557943_531157943_3481604_298276_n.jpg

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs148.snc3/17574_281398132943_531157943_3481612_812431_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs128.snc3/17574_281401087943_531157943_3481622_5744146_n.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs148.snc3/17574_281401117943_531157943_3481624_3755299_n.jpg

Cage finished...finished painting a few hours prior to these pics..
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs128.snc3/17574_283124637943_531157943_3486033_342728_n.jpg

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs148.snc3/17574_283124652943_531157943_3486034_5269651_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs148.snc3/17574_283124667943_531157943_3486035_6350531_n.jpg

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs148.snc3/17574_283124672943_531157943_3486036_7684884_n.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs148.snc3/17574_283124682943_531157943_3486037_3443748_n.jpg

Cage built by Kale's Custom in Essex, VT.

[Otto347]

Damn, doesnt look bad for brush on

[jay pee]

If you're welding the cage the proper way. While the cage is still sitting through the floor, you paint the tops... Then finish everything else.



No they aren't. They are really quite iffy. I'm actually concerned. (Not being a dick. I'm actually concerned)
Not only to the welds look horrible, I see a crater or two (great place for failures). It also looks like the wind blew the gas away or he forgot to turn it on. (Orange-redish like dust looking stuff). No gas coverage areas are another great place for failures. deposition rates are all wacky as well.

Teamsprock. I think you should do some serious practicing. Those welds look really iffy. I would be concerned. If you would like some helpful advice you can PM me. I'd be glad to help you.




yeah sum of the welds do look kinda questionable just didnt wanna bash on any1 but hopefully whenever i save enough for my cage the guy does a good job welding. since ill probably be paying like 2grand if not more for it. its really hard to find a good welder cuz every1 swears up n down they r pro at it lol

[Pure_JDM]

I'll be welding in my own cage within the next few weeks, and am really considering going a different route in the backseat of the car (That's right, backseat...). However small and cramped the backseat is, I still want to retain it, as I have a 2 year old little girl that loves to ride in daddy's car. I am going to cage the front similarly to others already here, but instead of an X bar going through the backseat passage to the trunk, I am going to attempt to send a bent one down hugging the rear window, terminating in the trunk on a rear strut tower cross bar. Has anyone seen this done, other than the padded bolt on in the previous page (hypnotiks)? Another huge issue I have with bolt-ins is I am 6'3", and have yet to find a bolt-in that's very friendly to my head room. They all sit too far forward, as mine will be a few inches further toward the rear of the car. I was an engineering major, as well as a welder, as well as an experienced caged builder (I built one in a buddy's 95 wrangler extreme-modified rock crawler). I'm confident that I can bring something new to the table here, but know it's going to take some time, and a hell of a lot of patience, as this is my daily driver. I will keep this thread updated on my progress in huge steps, and will most likely make my own thread showing the build up. Any remarks or tips from experienced fabricators are more than welcome. I have read all tips in this thread, as well as many other builds and fabs (big fan of blu808's creativity and skill).

[DJPimpFlex]

^^ What your intending to do has been done before (on my car :( ), and I don't recommend it. Bends in the rear down tubes make the cage illegal for FD, SCCA Ect. You can definitely make a strong cage with that design though. My car came with the cage already welded in, so I'm not going to fuck with it, but with the rear bars having bends and the firewall penatration, its not legal for FD or SCCA.

Here are some pics.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/DJPimpFlex/New%20Car/DSC01209.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/DJPimpFlex/New%20Car/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/DJPimpFlex/New%20Car/wwwww.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/DJPimpFlex/New%20Car/W9.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/DJPimpFlex/New%20Car/DSC01205.jpg

[franklin93zx]

I want a cage in my z so i can look like a boss

[RPSil13]

When a cage is boxed in like so, does the bar go through the box or does it sit on top
sorry for the dumb question, but i havent seen anyone address this

http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd352/JacksonVaughnAlbum/Caged%20Chassis%20For%20Sale/Shelli.jpg

anyone know?

[blu808]

When I build my cages I double box them. where the tube goes through the top part of the box and is welded to both the bottom box plate and the top box plate.

[Pure_JDM]

^^ What your intending to do has been done before (on my car :( ), and I don't recommend it. Bends in the rear down tubes make the cage illegal for FD, SCCA Ect. You can definitely make a strong cage with that design though. My car came with the cage already welded in, so I'm not going to fuck with it, but with the rear bars having bends and the firewall penatration, its not legal for FD or SCCA.

Here are some pics.



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/DJPimpFlex/New%20Car/wwwww.jpg



I dont understand why yours wouldnt still be legal though... Even if your rear bars cant have bends, you still have the same X bar terminating to your strut towers. Wouldnt this be a legal cage, and your two bent bars just be "extra"? Or is this not how it works? Im completely unaware of the rules, which I'm about to hunt down a copy and read them...

Either way, I agree with you, your cage appears to be very structurally sound and a strong design.

[Pure_JDM]

update^? and one last question regarding the diagonal bar... Can it be bolted in, rather than welded? I figured I would use a Clevis or some form of it to bolt in the diagonal on track days, once again for the simple reason of keeping a backseat during the week.

[DJPimpFlex]

well first and foremost the cage can not penetrate the fire wall and mine clearly does. Second the rules state that the cage must have rear down bars with no bends in them, regardless of the cross behind the driver. Honestly its a fine cage, but if I were to do it myself I would have gone with a more standard design. This has just a bunch of showy parts that weigh extra for no real reason. W/e it was cheap.

[AngeloAJC]

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww302/angelo-melchiorri/DSC00451.jpg
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww302/angelo-melchiorri/DSC00450.jpg
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww302/angelo-melchiorri/DSC00448.jpg

[lechu84]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/MRchuchu/101_0421.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/MRchuchu/101_0428.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/MRchuchu/101_0423.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/MRchuchu/101_0433.jpg

and ready to finish up paint.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/MRchuchu/101_0437.jpg

[EASTSiDe 2 WESTSiDe]

damn i want a cage lol @ wrapping paper

[lechu84]

^lol yuh we had a bunch laying around after the holidays.

[Pure_JDM]

That's funny. I looked at the pic before the caption and thought you had made an entire cage out of wrappingpaper tubes and paint tape. Haha. I'll be posting up some pics of progress this weekend!

[lechu84]

kinda looks like PVC piping.

[lechu84]

finished!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/MRchuchu/101_0443.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/MRchuchu/101_0445.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/MRchuchu/101_0448.jpg

[helladudebro]

Is there any disadvantages to having the rear braces angled outward like \ / like the car above instead of / \ or | | ?

[lechu84]

^i dont see why there would. we welded it where the hoop curves to add support.

[Firestorm]

very nice...how did you get the dashboard to fit with so little trimming? we're installing a cage in a buddys car tomorrow and i was thinking about how to install the dashboard without cutting the shit out of it...

[Maiku240sxS14]

lechu84 = carlos? friends with david & sennet?

Nicely done. Also want to see how you got the dash in nicely.

Firestorm...I don't know if your going to put in a dash bar, but the fabricators that did my cage slipped the tube in the top vent down to the floor. They did absolutely on cutting or trimming on the dash. The only drawback to this is you will NOT be able to remove the dash again, unless you cut/trim it yourself. Which I had to, but I had the front window out, so I just cut straight throw so that I can pull the dash out horizontally.

I don't know if that made any sense...lol

[RurouniMidnight]

Heres the cage in my S14, we just finished it up last night. It was done by my good buddy Derrick and fully tigged, now its time to paint the interior.:eek:
http://www.axiomotion.com/files/26/cage%20first%20glimpse%202.jpg
http://www.axiomotion.com/files/26/cage%20first%20glimpse.jpg
http://www.axiomotion.com/files/26/cage%20side%201.JPG
http://www.axiomotion.com/files/26/cage%20derrick%20weld%201.JPG
http://www.axiomotion.com/files/26/cage%20halo.JPG
http://www.axiomotion.com/files/26/cage%20junction.JPG
http://www.axiomotion.com/files/26/cage%20rear%201.jpg
http://www.axiomotion.com/files/26/doorbars%20driver%201.JPG
http://www.axiomotion.com/files/26/doorbars.JPG
http://www.axiomotion.com/files/26/cage%20full%20frontal.JPG

[Unknown007]

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9720/03171012184001.jpg Metallic Purple.

[Freddy]

is that a autopower roll bar ?

[teamsprock]

Thanks for the comments on my cage, I appreciate the concern. I did not weld this, If I did there would be lots of reason for concern since I suck at welding. I had it inspected by the local NHRA inspector and he went through a pretty thorough inspection and said it looked great. Most of the professional welders who have seen it in real life have also said the same. The color looks much worse because I was taking pictures in my garage with long exposures and cheap flood lights. But I appreciate your concern and will look more into it. I have had a few of the really well known welders on here tell me it looked great so I was pretty happy but if I should be concerned I will have more people inspect it and see if I need something done to correct it. Before the door bars were finished it was certified to go 8.50's. The door bars are just being finished as this obviously is not a drag car. Again thanks for the concern and I will have a close friend who has been welding for 30+ years stop by and look at it and see what he thinks.

[RurouniMidnight]

after paint....
http://www.axiomotion.com/files/26/interior%20paint%20done%201.jpg
http://www.axiomotion.com/files/26/interior%20paint%20done%205.jpg
http://www.axiomotion.com/files/26/interior%20paint%20done%204.jpg

[abubika345]

It's not fd legal either because the rear bars Have to be to the strut tower not the strut tower bar

[atutt]

Thanks for the comments on my cage, I appreciate the concern. I did not weld this, If I did there would be lots of reason for concern since I suck at welding. I had it inspected by the local NHRA inspector and he went through a pretty thorough inspection and said it looked great.

that doesn't mean he can identify a proper structural weld.

Most of the professional welders who have seen it in real life have also said the same. The color looks much worse because I was taking pictures in my garage with long exposures and cheap flood lights.

The colours of the welds are bad.. Its the red "dust" coming off a fwe of them. this indicates it's either contaminated. Or the torch was pulled away quickly while an arc was still present.

But I appreciate your concern and will look more into it. I have had a few of the really well known welders on here tell me it looked great so I was pretty happy but if I should be concerned I will have more people inspect it and see if I need something done to correct it. Before the door bars were finished it was certified to go 8.50's. The door bars are just being finished as this obviously is not a drag car. Again thanks for the concern and I will have a close friend who has been welding for 30+ years stop by and look at it and see what he thinks.

Just because he's been a welder for 30+ years doesn't mean he's good either... I've seen people with 30 years welding experience and fail simple weld tests. I have even tested people with more welding experience than twice my age. And I failed them...


Again. I'm not trying to come off as a dick. I'm offering my opinion as a professional certified TIG welder. And by the standards that I set for myself.
(Also going back to school to start my weld inspector training this Nov)

7.4.2 of this years FD rule book. (I believe this also covers D1 or whatever?) I know we use these rules for DMCC (Drift Mania Canadian Championship)

Welding shall conform to American Welding Society D1.1:2002, Structural
Welding Code, Steel Chapter 10, Tubular Structures.

Based on those standards I would reconsider those welds.

Again. This is just my opinion. And I'm NOT trying to come off as an arrogant asshole. Just trying to state my thoughts in a friendly professional manner, lol :P

[Edwin562]

those are some sexy cages..

[Odysseus]

I see alot of cages with the harness bar going straight across the main hoop like this...

http://otto-fab.com/pics/01.21.2010_hoop_crossbar.jpg

And I also see cages with the harness bar curved back behind the main hoop like this...

http://i51.tinypic.com/21dhrhl.jpg

What is the reasoning for this? Pros/cons?

Also, typically how far up on the main hoop do the harness bars sit? I know it has to do with the angle of the harnesses but that changes with different seats/rails and rail positions doesnt it? So just generally...

[7evil]

Great cage RurouniMidnight, looks sick!

[ericcastro]

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/castro_castro/fdfd5237.jpg

my cage.

was cut out of a old Formula D car from back in the day is what i was told.
had it welded into the new stitch welded shell.
boxed the bottom of the front to make it fit snugly.
gotta open the doors a touch to roll the windows up, lol.

[thefro526]

I see alot of cages with the harness bar going straight across the main hoop like this...

....

And I also see cages with the harness bar curved back behind the main hoop like this...

....

What is the reasoning for this? Pros/cons?

Also, typically how far up on the main hoop do the harness bars sit? I know it has to do with the angle of the harnesses but that changes with different seats/rails and rail positions doesnt it? So just generally...

The main reasoning behind the curved harness bar seems to be to allow taller drivers more room to put the seat back. I've been in a lot of caged cars with normal harness bars that aren't curved and they usually make it so that you can't slide the seat back the last inch or so or you can't recline the seat that much.

[Odysseus]

The main reasoning behind the curved harness bar seems to be to allow taller drivers more room to put the seat back. I've been in a lot of caged cars with normal harness bars that aren't curved and they usually make it so that you can't slide the seat back the last inch or so or you can't recline the seat that much.

Thank you! Thats what I figured. Im like 5'8" and drive close to the steering wheel like an 80 year old Asian woman so Ill be cool with it going straight across.

Anyone know about harness bar height?

[Martino]

Anybody have experience with the height for door bars?
What's the lowest that the highest point (where it meets the main hoop) is aloud to be?

[Backintoans13]

Buddy just finished mine, will get sprayed within this month hopefully :cool:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p264/driftking180sx/240sx/a2b4b6ad.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p264/driftking180sx/240sx/4a77a8a5.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p264/driftking180sx/240sx/b26a1473.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p264/driftking180sx/240sx/f48e5160.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p264/driftking180sx/240sx/41bfad5c.jpg

[conrad_s13.5]

holy redundancy!...lol

dope!

[Flicktitty]

Some pics of my cage, I had Ron @ Clocksoffracing.com build it. Told him make it meet specs to run a 10.00 in the 1/4 mile without getting booted.

Cage turned out GREAT, door bars are a little high, and the harness bar is a little close but hey thats fine.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/flicktitty/300sx/IMG_5232.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/flicktitty/300sx/IMG_5231.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/flicktitty/300sx/IMG_5214.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/flicktitty/300sx/IMG_5213.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/flicktitty/300sx/IMG_4604.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/flicktitty/300sx/IMG_4592.jpg

[rik boellen]

just a way to show..

mine did bij Biesheuvel Autosport (http://www.biesheuvel.nl)
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i19/rikboe/rolkoois14020.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i19/rikboe/rolkoois14021.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i19/rikboe/rolkoois14022.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i19/rikboe/rolkoois14023.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i19/rikboe/rolkoois14015.jpg

hope i don't need it..

[conrad_s13.5]

^amazing!!!!!!

[cdlong]

All that an no harness bar?

[living4surf]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i311/living4surf/278d7577.jpg

[!Zar!]

Needs more chamfering & gussets!

[godrifttoday]

bolt on!! with welded flore plates
http://i41.tinypic.com/t6pg06.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/t9ywd1.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/349a26o.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/1qjv5c.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/158baes.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/34i4x8y.jpg

[blessedhellrider]

lol cages ,iv never seen a s chassis on its roof lol

[drifted240sx]

lol cages ,iv never seen a s chassis on its roof lol

S13 Flips at Hot Import Nights Nightshift Phoenix - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bly37aBr_68)

Plus, its not always about flipping over, could be getting hit from the side. And it makes the chassis stiffer.

[Tearlessj]

lol cages ,iv never seen a s chassis on its roof lol

Are you shitting me?

Lets all not cage any race car because you dont see them upside down.

S14 drift crash - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_XpPbXbXI0)

[Quail]

lol cages ,iv never seen a s chassis on its roof lol

I know, dumb right? lol

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i235/dsc4130/Untitled-224.jpg

http://noriyaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/bihoku_180sx_flip_crash_008.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/punk7/My%20Car/IMG_8373-2.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i225/clio_jeffers/DSC00641.jpg

[blessedhellrider]

Are you shitting me?

Lets all not cage any race car because you dont see them upside down.

S14 drift crash - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_XpPbXbXI0)

calm down there buddy ,was just a little bit of sarcasm.!

[s14unimog]

Honestly though its fairly unlikely that you'll actually roll your car but don't forget all the other benefits of a cage (chassis stiffness, side protection, proper harness mounting, they look awesome, etc..)

It's obvious that most s-chassis are not used for high speed road racing but they're designed to crush up, so its your call.

I can't wait to get on building mine! There has got to be more cages on this forum.

[Shatzen]

Heres mine
http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu260/kyleshatzen/DSC00121.jpg

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu260/kyleshatzen/DSC00120.jpg

[TheClutchKicker]

I like.. ^^

[BTplaya]

Just finished my 6-point this weekend. Not looking forward to painting it though.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5747/nissan4v.jpg

[!Zar!]

Is it just me or does this look horribly wrong?
http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq244/mike2191milo/20130319_110516_zpsa7618a21.jpg

[ghoti]

The main loop looks like its closer to the C pillar rather than being almost parallel to the B pillar

[xoxide]

Its definetly not just you. :tinhat:

[Martino]

Don't remember if i posted this or not.

http://distilleryimage11.s3.amazonaws.com/97eac7f27fc811e28b3822000a9f15fd_7.jpg

ALmost full interior with full cage.

[ryandriftingfat]

Mine. Track car. Done by Battle Version.

http://givemeshred.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/givemeshred-s13-roll-cage-progress-06.jpg

http://givemeshred.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/givemeshred-s13-roll-cage-progress-09.jpg

http://givemeshred.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/givemeshred-s13-finished-build-glamour-pics-06.jpg

http://givemeshred.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/givemeshred-s13-finished-build-glamour-pics-03.jpg

[crzsteveo]

bumping this old ass thread up.

I will be getting the S&W 8pt cage and installing that with a few modifications. ill be looking at a full interior with carpet rear seats, everything.

[OBEE]

not mine!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/mittomatto/mind%20control%20silvia/IMG_2523.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/mittomatto/mind%20control%20silvia/IMG_2524.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/mittomatto/mind%20control%20silvia/IMG_2526.jpg

[sonomadrifter]

not mine!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/mittomatto/mind%20control%20silvia/IMG_2524.jpg


Some of this is quite good while other parts are terrible... Id like to see it finished.

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr133/mnkymits/DSC_0030.jpeg

[Imarvin240]

Okay, so this is the cage that Touge Factory is doing for my Modified Class Global Time Attack Car. It's still not 100% complete yet, but you can get a sense as to the quality of the work and what the overall structure of the cage is.

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/521577_10151642750046754_1828255479_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1394375_10152029352396754_1492730632_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1392883_10152072547746754_1664813341_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/1000214_10152072548336754_1020132639_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1395783_10152072548396754_1699112633_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1383326_10152072548476754_888815921_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395401_10152072548491754_551990822_n.jpg

[slow40sx]

Didn't really specify if you could post bolt ins or not but here's my cusco safety 21 and NRG harness bar, eventually will have a nice weld in with door bars but this cage was 300 bucks and it stiffens the chassis especially after I welded in floor plates to bolt it too, so this will do for now
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/siksilviasx/Mobile%20Uploads/3D8F438B-B43C-4846-800A-195E4658E2F8_zpsuwxbnvfe.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/siksilviasx/Mobile%20Uploads/5AAE2F7E-7894-415E-B8B8-4BC20A8634B3_zps3jhdy2w3.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/siksilviasx/Mobile%20Uploads/C6A5DCD3-505D-484C-9AE3-053891E0F79F_zps9yjan6pe.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/siksilviasx/Mobile%20Uploads/5E1E7482-E051-462B-9FB6-9E3F4299A431_zpsctttn3c3.jpg

[PoorMans180SX]

Are all of you guys running Nascar style door bars for ease of access? An X is stiffer and lighter...

Didn't really specify if you could post bolt ins or not but here's my cusco safety 21 and NRG harness bar, eventually will have a nice weld in with door bars but this cage was 300 bucks and it stiffens the chassis especially after I welded in floor plates to bolt it too, so this will do for now


A cage that goes around the dash is a no-no if you're looking for safety. That bend greatly weakens the bar, making it much more crush-able should your car end up on it's roof. Also, a hard hit in the front corner and that wheel is probably coming through the flimsy firewall and breaking your foot/leg before it's even touched the cage.

[slow40sx]

https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395401_10152072548491754_551990822_n.jpg

SR Z33? More info please

[slow40sx]

A cage that goes around the dash is a no-no if you're looking for safety. That bend greatly weakens the bar, making it much more crush-able should your car end up on it's roof. Also, a hard hit in the front corner and that wheel is probably coming through the flimsy firewall and breaking your foot/leg before it's even touched the cage.

Yeah like I said i paid 300 dollars for a 1000 dollar legit cusco safety 21 to stiffen up the chassis which I feel like is a killer deal for a chromoly bolt in cage engineered by a big name Japanese after market parts company, it stiffens the chassis up nicely and looks pretty cool imo, plus I'm not a competitive race car driver or anything so I don't really have a need for a serious weld in, I just drift for fun with my friends, I just saw it as a way to stiffen up the car and help in an unlikely rollover and if all those badass s-chassis' are running them at the tracks in japan that's good enough for me lol

[tauntdevil]

I see mostly caged S13's. Any chance does anyone have photos of the rear setup to an S14? Where exactly do you box to weld the cage too or do you weld a pipe onto a plate and weld the cage to the pipe like the s14 in before pages?

[GabeS14]

I see mostly caged S13's. Any chance does anyone have photos of the rear setup to an S14? Where exactly do you box to weld the cage too or do you weld a pipe onto a plate and weld the cage to the pipe like the s14 in before pages?


I dont have many :( its still under construction in AZ.. I still am having him add some horizontal bars in the front tube front and thru the firewall bars..and a couple rear end bars.. keep in mind it also will have a small trunk cage .
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/gabriel_ackley/IMG_6693_zpsbc9e2aea.jpg~original (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/gabriel_ackley/media/IMG_6693_zpsbc9e2aea.jpg.html)
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/gabriel_ackley/IMG_9328_zps3d96b59e.jpg~original (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/gabriel_ackley/media/IMG_9328_zps3d96b59e.jpg.html)
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/gabriel_ackley/IMG_8293_zps684a22d1.jpg~original (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/gabriel_ackley/media/IMG_8293_zps684a22d1.jpg.html)

[tauntdevil]

I dont have many :( its still under construction in AZ.. I still am having him add some horizontal bars in the front tube front and thru the firewall bars..and a couple rear end bars.. keep in mind it also will have a small trunk cage .



Who are you having it done by? I am friends with almost every shop out here. (AZ) Would love to go check it out.

Edit: nvm, I remember who you are. Its being done by Intense power with the viper engine.
Long time ago I was offered a Viper engine setup complete, trans, ecu, wiring, etc for $6k but only had 3k. Regret not making it work out.

Hope to see this in person when its finished. When I get some time, Ill stop by there and see how its going. Maybe even send you some more pics.

[SlideOrDie831]

I see mostly caged S13's. Any chance does anyone have photos of the rear setup to an S14? Where exactly do you box to weld the cage too or do you weld a pipe onto a plate and weld the cage to the pipe like the s14 in before pages?

the rear ties into either the strut tower,wheel well, or both. front is either welded to a plate or a box is built and they drill a hole and drop the A pillar into it.

that Z33 is rocking an SR with a P11 head I believe. crazy shit

[sonomadrifter]

Are all of you guys running Nascar style door bars for ease of access? An X is stiffer and lighter...

Future rules. I race in other another series (with a different car) and Nascar bars are becoming the standard. Its already mandatory on the divers side (with a sill bar). Next year it has to be on the passenger side too, even though there is no seat or method to carry passengers. The focus is and should be on safety, everything else is a by product.

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr133/mnkymits/cagephoto.jpg

[PoorMans180SX]

Future rules. The focus is and should be on safety, everything else is a by product.






Interesting. I agree, and highly doubt a Nascar bar is any safer than a proper X, especially if it's just as close to the driver.

[zerodameaon]

Those really are not true NASCAR door bars either. Those extend into hollowed out doors to help keep it off the driver in the event of a side impact. It would be interesting to see the X style compared to the faux NASCAR bars in a side impact.

[sonomadrifter]

Interesting. I agree, and highly doubt a Nascar bar is any safer than a proper X, especially if it's just as close to the driver.

At the same distance I would agree. Mine are built this way to retain stock glass and function. I can add an exterior cage to this one (like Powers car) down the road if need be. To be clear a "proper X" in my eyes would be two complete tubes that are joined (A), not cut through like a diagonal through a harness bar (B).

A:http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr133/mnkymits/Doorbarsproper.jpg

B:http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr133/mnkymits/cage.jpg

Pulled from NASA FORUMS: No photos, but here is an excerpt of Greg Amy's description:

"But post-race we all got a good look at the car. As described the door was completely destroyed, hammered well into the car. The passenger-side rollcage/intrusion protection had completely failed.

Richie had the venerable "X" bar on the passenger side, one diagonal tube, with two other tubes welded to that to make an "X". That structure failed. Your first thought is probably that the welds failed, but you would be wrong: all welds seemed to hold. The primarily structural failure was on the first main diagonal bar, which simple tore apart at its center in tension. Then, the two triangular "halves" of the X-bar system hinged inwards where they were welded to the main the front hoops, tearing the two tubes partially off.

[PoorMans180SX]

I would definitely agree about the two bent bars, and I would make gussets even larger than the ones in that pic.

[VegasDrifterS13]

I dont have many :( its still under construction in AZ.. I still am having him add some horizontal bars in the front tube front and thru the firewall bars..and a couple rear end bars.. keep in mind it also will have a small trunk cage .
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/gabriel_ackley/IMG_6693_zpsbc9e2aea.jpg~original (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/gabriel_ackley/media/IMG_6693_zpsbc9e2aea.jpg.html)
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/gabriel_ackley/IMG_9328_zps3d96b59e.jpg~original (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/gabriel_ackley/media/IMG_9328_zps3d96b59e.jpg.html)
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/gabriel_ackley/IMG_8293_zps684a22d1.jpg~original (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/gabriel_ackley/media/IMG_8293_zps684a22d1.jpg.html)

That frontend looks MEAN. Awesome Design.

Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2

[crzsteveo]

it doesn't even look like a 240 anymore!


I wish there were more pictures of the S&W cages in 240s. I really could use some reference pics of the interior

[ehhhregartless]

SR Z33? More info please
build
http://zilvia.net/f/builds-builds-only/420428-imarvin240-s-sr22ve-t-350z-time-attack-car-build.html

[sviellvoicae]

it doesn't even look like a 240 anymore!


I wish there were more pictures of the S&W cages in 240s. I really could use some reference pics of the interior

S&W "10 point" did a cross harness bar instead of the v downward bars they offer. Cage fit really well.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c189/veloce240sx/20130413_191800.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/veloce240sx/media/20130413_191800.jpg.html)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c189/veloce240sx/20130415_144116.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/veloce240sx/media/20130415_144116.jpg.html)

[sviellvoicae]

Sorry forgot front shot

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c189/veloce240sx/20130425_213424.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/veloce240sx/media/20130425_213424.jpg.html)

[crzsteveo]

awesome stuff man. im going to be getting there half cage. its going to be a challenge to run a full interior

[702s13]

Super nice cage I think I'm getting the same one. Did it come notched? Also your rear down tubes go to the cross bar instead of the rear strut towers. Is that legal?

[sviellvoicae]

Super nice cage I think I'm getting the same one. Did it come notched? Also your rear down tubes go to the cross bar instead of the rear strut towers. Is that legal?

Was legal for our local events. Nothing I'm doing or was planning on doing required them going to rear towers. It came pre notched but the fitment wasn't the best so we notched a few. Car is now scrapped and cage was sold. Planning on having a custom cage built now. Usually the price of a custom cage is the way to go over something like this as long as you can count on the fabricator.

[702s13]

Cool thank you sir!

[joshchewuhh]

Cusco 7pt. Full Interior. Nothing Special
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b467/joshchewuhh/IMG_1159-1.jpg
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b467/joshchewuhh/IMG_1158-1.jpg

[crzsteveo]

oh man that is some hot stuff

[tauntdevil]

Hello again.
I was wondering before i finish all my measurements for my car, about the door bars.
I am working on building the cage once and under formula D specs but I either over think or dont understand one part which I would like to do.

The setup is Nascar style door bars but they go further out into and near/against the door skin like this miata:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/806508/lfs/miata%20roll%20cage.jpg

Now reading the rules (updated 2014 version) I dont seem to fully get if it is saying we can do this or cannot do this and also if there is a bar bending limit. Of course, my goal would be two bends only but seems tricky with a S14 chassis and how far back my seat needs to be for myself to be comfortable.

The section for the door bars relating to my area:
"Teams may also choose to install a second row of double horizontal door bars that run
parallel to the inner bars and extend into the outer door skin, these are also known as
“NASCAR-STYLE” bars. In this configuration, the outer bars must also have a minimum of two (2) vertical tube sections connecting the upper and lower bars. The inner door panel and door internals may be removed. Side protection must not pass through the B-pillar."

Does anyone know if I can acheive this with a S14 with two bends and if it would be legal for FD?

On a relative note:
Before calling me an idiot and everything for this, do know this.
I do not NEED this style of door bars, it is not something where its my only option, but I want it as to me, I like this style of door bars that go out a bit.
Also, I am not going into formula D next season or even next year, etc. BUT, doesnt mean I dont want the car to be able to pass their tech with flying colors if it presented itself.

Thank you in advance for answering my noobish questions.

[Imarvin240]

Hello again.
I was wondering before i finish all my measurements for my car, about the door bars.
I am working on building the cage once and under formula D specs but I either over think or dont understand one part which I would like to do.

The setup is Nascar style door bars but they go further out into and near/against the door skin like this miata:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/806508/lfs/miata%20roll%20cage.jpg

Now reading the rules (updated 2014 version) I dont seem to fully get if it is saying we can do this or cannot do this and also if there is a bar bending limit. Of course, my goal would be two bends only but seems tricky with a S14 chassis and how far back my seat needs to be for myself to be comfortable.

The section for the door bars relating to my area:
"Teams may also choose to install a second row of double horizontal door bars that run
parallel to the inner bars and extend into the outer door skin, these are also known as
“NASCAR-STYLE” bars. In this configuration, the outer bars must also have a minimum of two (2) vertical tube sections connecting the upper and lower bars. The inner door panel and door internals may be removed. Side protection must not pass through the B-pillar."

Does anyone know if I can acheive this with a S14 with two bends and if it would be legal for FD?

On a relative note:
Before calling me an idiot and everything for this, do know this.
I do not NEED this style of door bars, it is not something where its my only option, but I want it as to me, I like this style of door bars that go out a bit.
Also, I am not going into formula D next season or even next year, etc. BUT, doesnt mean I dont want the car to be able to pass their tech with flying colors if it presented itself.

Thank you in advance for answering my noobish questions.

I don't see anything about a bend limit.

[Nissansota240]

S14

Cage done by Patience Metal Fab (http://www.patiencemetalfab.com/)

http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc362/Nissansota/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/528877_474767675916692_1532409741_n_zpsb12e9862.jp g (http://s1208.photobucket.com/user/Nissansota/media/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/528877_474767675916692_1532409741_n_zpsb12e9862.jp g.html)

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http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc362/Nissansota/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/IMAG0551_zpsec86a60a.jpg (http://s1208.photobucket.com/user/Nissansota/media/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/IMAG0551_zpsec86a60a.jpg.html)

http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc362/Nissansota/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/100MEDIA95IMAG0552_zps46317c18.jpg (http://s1208.photobucket.com/user/Nissansota/media/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/100MEDIA95IMAG0552_zps46317c18.jpg.html)

http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc362/Nissansota/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/S14-18_zpscd7506a4.jpg (http://s1208.photobucket.com/user/Nissansota/media/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/S14-18_zpscd7506a4.jpg.html)

http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc362/Nissansota/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/S14-15_zps1fc5c613.jpg (http://s1208.photobucket.com/user/Nissansota/media/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/S14-15_zps1fc5c613.jpg.html)

http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc362/Nissansota/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/IMG_4043_zpsf74e0111.jpg (http://s1208.photobucket.com/user/Nissansota/media/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/IMG_4043_zpsf74e0111.jpg.html)

http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc362/Nissansota/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/IMG_4041_zps6bfceb87.jpg (http://s1208.photobucket.com/user/Nissansota/media/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/IMG_4041_zps6bfceb87.jpg.html)

http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc362/Nissansota/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/942162_10152837211075193_2114320826_n_zps48138601. jpg (http://s1208.photobucket.com/user/Nissansota/media/Zenki%20Drift%20Build/942162_10152837211075193_2114320826_n_zps48138601. jpg.html)

[crzsteveo]

^do you have full rear interior?

[Nissansota240]

^do you have full rear interior?

Was going to but then decided to just sell some of it. Would have had to modify the top part of the back seat due to the cage.

I just wanted to make sure that everything from the back of the front seats forward or pretty much everything you can see while driving had interior.

[crzsteveo]

awesome. good stuff man. love seeing cars with interior with cages

[SpazzyS13]

Cage was done by a local buddy, recently painted thought I'd share. I'm putting the interior back together now.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3684/11749169854_eb257418a1_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7358/11749173674_0ec11f2345_z.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5549/11748763115_91a5c79fb5_z.jpg

[tauntdevil]

How are you guys welding the flat plates to the floors? Are you cutting out the floor where the flat plate will be going and welding it in or?
The floor in my s14 is so jumbled from friends letting the car down onto jack stands way too hard and denting it all. Flattened it out best I could but still no where close for a flat piece of plate. Just wondering how you guys do it.

[di-devol]

Racetech, Portland. 8-pt.
https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/3747_171808822988164_488911622_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/970176_171859296316450_1512836296_n.jpg
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https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1/998396_172022449633468_1292595607_n.jpg

[sonomadrifter]

Racetech, Portland. 8-pt.
https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/3747_171808822988164_488911622_n.jpg


Solid design and fitment. Curious to see a close up on the front A-pillar boxes and how they are reinforced.

[di-devol]

Solid design and fitment. Curious to see a close up on the front A-pillar boxes and how they are reinforced.

Best pic I got of it at the moment, I can get better ones this weekend.
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/v/t34/1558815_248169945352051_1816890870_n.jpg?oh=481db0 e9cc77fcc22a27c1734c4db6f4&oe=52DF743B

[bbliss126]

Heres some pics of after i got the cage back from the fab shop, after i had the cage properly rewelded and a bar added, hated the dull silver and faded gutted wheel wells and floor so truck liner'd that also.

before
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u42/bbliss126/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/1F31FEDF-6C58-435B-A32B-98A500A19EF2.jpg (http://s165.photobucket.com/user/bbliss126/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/1F31FEDF-6C58-435B-A32B-98A500A19EF2.jpg.html)

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u42/bbliss126/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/FA7FE590-C29C-4E67-8D94-D0B2305D236E.jpg (http://s165.photobucket.com/user/bbliss126/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/FA7FE590-C29C-4E67-8D94-D0B2305D236E.jpg.html)

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u42/bbliss126/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/3AA52326-3D32-4575-BFC4-D7F2CD9F3DF2.jpg (http://s165.photobucket.com/user/bbliss126/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/3AA52326-3D32-4575-BFC4-D7F2CD9F3DF2.jpg.html)

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u42/bbliss126/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/86A124AF-7F03-42B7-86DF-A546AE3C8F7E.jpg (http://s165.photobucket.com/user/bbliss126/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/86A124AF-7F03-42B7-86DF-A546AE3C8F7E.jpg.html)

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u42/bbliss126/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/DD6797F6-9A95-426F-BE07-2EF8DACA8373.jpg (http://s165.photobucket.com/user/bbliss126/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/DD6797F6-9A95-426F-BE07-2EF8DACA8373.jpg.html)

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u42/bbliss126/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/1F73F177-13B1-49C4-9181-55315EF1B5FB.jpg (http://s165.photobucket.com/user/bbliss126/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/1F73F177-13B1-49C4-9181-55315EF1B5FB.jpg.html)

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u42/bbliss126/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/94557864-35E8-478A-BFF4-11F90AD07C47.jpg (http://s165.photobucket.com/user/bbliss126/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/94557864-35E8-478A-BFF4-11F90AD07C47.jpg.html)

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u42/bbliss126/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/767B211D-ACA4-4D2E-9BD9-6A5F4D0E21E9.jpg (http://s165.photobucket.com/user/bbliss126/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/767B211D-ACA4-4D2E-9BD9-6A5F4D0E21E9.jpg.html)

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u42/bbliss126/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/B167D8B0-609C-4922-8051-D2C4C2F8E677.jpg (http://s165.photobucket.com/user/bbliss126/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/B167D8B0-609C-4922-8051-D2C4C2F8E677.jpg.html)

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u42/bbliss126/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/8C7D1762-E986-4636-BADD-2C39AAB6E002.jpg (http://s165.photobucket.com/user/bbliss126/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/8C7D1762-E986-4636-BADD-2C39AAB6E002.jpg.html)

& After

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u42/bbliss126/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/1B4C3159-D82C-4723-ABEF-0B20EAE4E825.jpg (http://s165.photobucket.com/user/bbliss126/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/1B4C3159-D82C-4723-ABEF-0B20EAE4E825.jpg.html)

[mr.fixit]

Ok so im finally getting around to building my cage. I ordered 1.5 x .120 wall DOM and thats in spec to fd rules if i recall. Now DOM is measured on the OD opposed to sch. 40 which would be ID. It arrived at my work today but it looks a little small. It is 1.5 on the OD with a wall thickness of about 1/8th inch. What is everybody else using because alot of ppls cages look to be out of 2 inch or bigger.

[di-devol]

1.5in x .095 passes tech for FD.

1.5 x .120 is fine, I have 1.75" x .095. I just liked the thicker look and he had that in stock.

[Jonnie Fraz]

Ok so im finally getting around to building my cage. I ordered 1.5 x .120 wall DOM and thats in spec to fd rules if i recall. Now DOM is measured on the OD opposed to sch. 40 which would be ID. It arrived at my work today but it looks a little small. It is 1.5 on the OD with a wall thickness of about 1/8th inch. What is everybody else using because alot of ppls cages look to be out of 2 inch or bigger.

Pipe is measured ID, Tube is measured OD. .120 is almost 1/8 of an inch. Not to sound like a jackass but, if you are going to be building an FD legal cage you might need to know these things. Cage building is not something to be taken lightly. Do it right and you could save someone's life...do it wrong and you may kill someone.

[stephens14sr]

Heres some pics of after i got the cage back from the fab shop, after i had the cage properly rewelded and a bar added, hated the dull silver and faded gutted wheel wells and floor so truck liner'd that also.

[/URL]

rear down bars arent legal

[Chamb-O]

rear down bars arent legal

Ya I was thinking the same thing for like 4 or 5 of the cages in this thread...
I'm pretty sure that Formula D, NASA, and SCCA specify that the rear braces need to connect to the chassis not another bar...in this case a strut tower reinforcement.

[foreverdark]

https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/419306_651571541524837_1623575432_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/395663_655428557805802_1608412699_n.jpg

Done by Garage Life.

[stephens14sr]

Ya I was thinking the same thing for like 4 or 5 of the cages in this thread...
I'm pretty sure that Formula D, NASA, and SCCA specify that the rear braces need to connect to the chassis not another bar...in this case a strut tower reinforcement.

yeah, i bought my new chassis with an older cage already in it. so i have to redo/add some to mine. because this is how most were made for a while. but is no longer legal.

[mr.fixit]

Pipe is measured ID, Tube is measured OD. .120 is almost 1/8 of an inch. Not to sound like a jackass but, if you are going to be building an FD legal cage you might need to know these things. Cage building is not something to be taken lightly. Do it right and you could save someone's life...do it wrong and you may kill someone.

Well I'm putting thought into and understand how to make a cage strong and how the load is absorbed and dispersed. I was just curious on the tube because we only deal with pipe at my work. And I have an experienced tube bender/ rollcage builder lending a hand, which actually I welded the cages for him on his crawler.

[di-devol]

Is there a reason why you guys have the cage farther away from the car? Them some big gussets.

[KAs14slider]

Yeah, I never understood that except huge gussets do look badass. My cage builder said he won't do big gussets. He wants the cages he makes to fit really well. Plus smaller gussets, especially on the a pillars means more room

[tauntdevil]

The cage we are doing currently, the main hoop is practicaly pushing against the walls when they bend. Would do closer on the sides but the S chassis have a bend at the bottom that doesnt allow you to get closer unless you were to cut it.

[conrad_s13.5]

gussets are cool
..but its cooler not to need them

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/cradcc/photo31-1.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/cradcc/photo12-1.jpg

[struka]

didnt know you were caging your car! looks good!!

[DJPimpFlex]

I havne't posted in this thread since 2010 so I guess I'll share my updated cage and fab work.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/202/rjli.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/5mrjlij)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/43/ya3k.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/17ya3kj)

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[Chamb-O]

yeah, i bought my new chassis with an older cage already in it. so i have to redo/add some to mine. because this is how most were made for a while. but is no longer legal.

Huh...I didn't know that was ever legal. It makes perfect sense why its not.

[Chamb-O]

Here are some Nissan cages I did at my last job.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i183/c-lang/IMG_20130313_164853.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i183/c-lang/IMG_20130131_074245.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i183/c-lang/IMG_20121219_184639.jpghttp://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i183/c-lang/IMG_20120710_125346.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i183/c-lang/IMG_20120704_094318.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i183/c-lang/IMG_20120521_122149.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i183/c-lang/IMG_20120607_122047.jpg


This was a GTR that I fit the forward hoop in place of the stock airbag....all the dash and the a pillar panels stayed uncut... dimple die gussets? what for? lol
http://distilleryimage1.ak.instagram.com/1ffcef60537f11e2b3f322000a1f96e5_7.jpg

[KAs14slider]

For those that have painted their cages. Mine is almost done and I was wondering what is a better route to go: Get in there and spray it with a gun or roll it on with a brush?

[KAs14slider]

Bumping the cage thread. My cage just got done.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f357/kas14slider/IMG_2238_zps8a7d5609.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f357/kas14slider/IMG_2239_zps95d23a89.jpg