Another Altamont article

[blu808]

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/2007-10-24/news/gimme-shelter/1


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[S14DB]

These people are the same breed that move next door to an Airport and complain about the noise.

[Irukandji]

I hate the Rivards with a passion. I hope they eventually move and decide to complain about everything elsewhere.

[blu808]

Yup and to top it off, they have a freakin motorcross track in their back yard.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Yup and to top it off, they have a freakin motorcross track in their back yard.

QFT, Sooo friggin lame.
its amazing how biased the media outlets are toward their stupid motives.
Please bring drifting back to the bay area :sadwavey:

[sl4ck3r]

lol yeah to bad that the track actually started being used... seriously who uses a race track? just take it to the streets duh. phreekn tards.

[YUNG DRIF]

doode that bitch needs some dick

[jackjack]

what did they expect? :2f2f: :fawkd:

[Jonnie Fraz]

In the article it states "that they did not know the property was for sale." I had heard that they were one of the ones trying to buy the track. Also they state that the helecopter was flying So low over there house...why did they not video tape it? They must have a video recorder. Maybe because it was not true.
I am sorry I have no remorse for people dumb enough to move next to a track or airport, or freeway or whatever...It was there first, it had been there forever out in the boondocks away from everyone...move next to it Fail!

[SILEIGHTY_DET]

the article says that they are being questioned if they are stupid for building next to the track , but because they felt that the odds were with them that the track would be shut down or rarely used , that they would be satisfied with its use . soooo . . . the odd were with them and they took the gamble , and they lost that bet that the track would be shut down . get over it , cut your losses , and get the hell out of dodge . just my two cents . and how could you not expect people to be livid that they took away the place to use their fifty thousand dollar macines and partake in their hobby ? idiots

[hsoj_v]

Just like everyone said... What do you expect when you build a house near a racetrack. It doesn't matter if it looked like it was operating or not... Someone is bound to use the track.

[TheSquidd]

What's up BIASED article.

Jesus could they be more slanted?

Maybe the track owner is a dick.

And maybe he needs to get his permits in order.

But there's no maybes about when you move in a few feet from a race track, you shouldn't complain about noise.

[vvtisupra]

Alright, so they read comments about death threats. Well then they should read comments about what closing Altamont means to us. This is complete bullshit. reading all this trash. I recently raced at Altamont Motorsports Park (AMP) and it seriously was the funnest time I've ever had. It was the 24 hours of Lemons and it went on into the night but ended at 930-945, and everyone was told to leave the park as soon as they were packed. The lights weren't aimed towards their house. Thats anti productive. The purpose of those lights are to light the course, in which it did. AMP had signs posted that drifters and drifting is no prohibited. Why target drifters ? Its a bunch of shit. You're telling me a big block chevy is gonna be quieter than a 2 liter turbo ? Turbos act as mufflers naturally.

The whole time I was at this event I would look up at their house and just slap myself in amazement. AMP is built in a natural bowl. Hills all around the track. Sound shouldn't be a problem to any of the neighboring houses. All city officials have to do is get their ass out of the office and notice that AMP is in the best place possible to have a racetrack. Ofcourse, this has gone all to shit because the Rivards had to build their shack looking house on the top one of the hills that protects AMP from noise. I'm genuinely sorry for the Rivards in both ways. I feel sorry that they are subjected to the noise, but I also feel sorry that they threw out their concerns that there was a racetrack sitting right below their noses. What the fuck do you think would happen. Its a racetrack. Yah yah you did your research and there weren't many events , but that still doesn't negate the fact that there was a racetrack right below your house. You coulda built your house on the otherside of the hill like everyone else..... but ? No you disregarded the fact that there was a track and you are paying for it. GET OVER IT !

I hate how they take it out on drifters. Tire smoke tire screeching? uhhhhh..... thats in every race. Meh I'll post more about this crap I'm getting off work. Honestly this is bullshit. A track like AMP is so multipurpose as a track. BLAH just ruins my day thinking about the bullshit we get. Also, I want to know who their "drifting" expert is. I hate how we get bullshit for being drifters. At this non drift event, my drifting ass passed a lot of drifting haters. Next time i do another 24 hours of lemons event imma put on the rear bumper " You were just passed by a drifter." Its funny how much more versatile a lot of drifters are. The 24 hours of lemons is straight wheel to wheel racing and there were numerous of times where I'd see people start sliding and over correct and look like an idiot. I definately think people would become better drivers if they understood the concept of drifting and knew how to apply it. Because even in grip driving you can use 0 counter to be fast.

[blu808]

The rivards can suck my sweaty nuts. Because of them I had to close my business. Not to mention the whole import industry in the bay area has been effected financially.

[CKAMC]

So whens the next hearing or whatever to take place in regards to what will happen to the track?

[blu808]

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New avatar for this thread.

lol

[S14DB]

I would be careful what you post that may be viewed as threats.

From Google Earth it appears that Rivardspeed is bigger than Altamont.

So he bought this land and bulldosed it in 2000 to make a dirtbike track.
http://mxphotodb.com/mxph/dufour/001105/w/0546.jpg
http://www.mxtracks.us/mx/phpCalifornia/pictures/59t/web/sign.jpg
http://www.mxtracks.us/mx/phpCalifornia/pictures/59t/web/layout.jpg
http://www.mxtracks.us/mx/phpCalifornia/pictures/59t/web/Tabletop.jpg

They have had the property since 1999. Yet the house does not appear in the 2000 pics. Only a trailer. Did he build the house before or after he met his wife? This seems to be an excellent view of the track:
http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/09/17/ba_m_r_005rad.jpg
http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/09/17/ba_m_r_049rad.jpg

In the motox pics the wonderful windmills the wife speaks of are on in the opposite direction of that window. If they built that house for the windmills it seems to be on the wrong side of the lot and 180* in the wrong direction.
http://mxphotodb.com/mxph/dufour/001111/w/0588.jpg

Sorry if these issues have been covered I just started reading this today.

[blu808]

Im not threatening anyone. Just posting a funny fictional pic. But hey if I met him face to face you never know.

In case you guys dont know the Rivards tried to buy altamont to use it as a personal track.

Altamont refused and thats why they are so butt hurt.

[!Zar!]

We need to get the Rivards to divorce. Then we can have altamont back.

haha.

So..., who's going to sleep with Mr. Rivards?

[blu808]

you can take one for the team.

[SILEIGHTY_DET]

thats why pillows were invented . but she is too mean lookin , even for me . boose could be useful

[junkyiv]

EFIN hipocritical idiots!!! You have all already said everything I have been thinking bout this BS issue.

[4thHorse]

I don't think the report was biased.

either way it pointed out they same thing everyone is saying. 1000 feet from your front door is a race track, that has been there since the 60's.

Can't wait for a neighbor to get pissed at the noise coming from his track in his back yard.

[vvtisupra]

I don't think the report was biased.

either way it pointed out they same thing everyone is saying. 1000 feet from your front door is a race track, that has been there since the 60's.

See thats the thing I want everyone to visualize. Altamont is kinda like sekia hills or whatever. Its built in a natural bowl. Hills surrounding the whole track. No sound would ever escape.... But the Rivards had to be dumbasses and build their house on the top of the hill where the sound can travel up. They have so much land they shoulda though about it and put the dirt bike tack on the back of their house and had the house built on the front of the hill...... Then they wouldn;t have any problems with lights or noise.

[S14DB]

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Altamont,+Uninc+Alameda+County,+Alameda,+Califor nia,+United+States&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.909425,78.398437&ie=UTF8&cd=7&geocode=0,37.746630,-121.656510&ll=37.736852,-121.561446&spn=0.006007,0.00957&t=k&z=17&om=0
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Altamont,+Uninc+Alameda+County,+Alameda,+Califor nia,+United+States&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.909425,78.398437&ie=UTF8&cd=7&geocode=0,37.746630,-121.656510&t=k&om=0&ll=37.736852,-121.561446&spn=0.024029,0.03828&z=15&iwloc=addr

[mrmephistopheles]

Within a couple days, the threats were posted all over the Internet on drifting message boards. Some simply insulted the Rivards. Others detailed the physical punishments they should endure. "If I see Karin Rivard on the street, I'll hit her in the face with a baseball bat for you," said one posting. Others threatened to drag her through the street and to light the Rivards' house on fire.

Some postings came with distastefully altered photos of the Rivards. Others posted the Rivards' address, photos of their home, and tips on which window might provide the best angle for a sniper's shot. Then there was the YouTube video alleging that Karin provided Haggerty with sexual favors in exchange for his vote.

"There were tons that talked about killing us," Karin said. She estimates that she saw at least 1,000 postings — about 100 of them direct threats — on dozens of web sites. "Judging by what was posted and by how fast it went up, there was obviously some kind of effort to get the word out that we were responsible for the drifting ban. ... It was everywhere and it was all directed specifically at us."

I'd LOVE to see where all these threads were made. Honestly, who'd be so dumb to allow that sort of shit?

[BigVinnie]

The law will prevail and Altimont will remain open. The Rivards don't understand that altimont is "grandfathered in", if you don't understand what that means pick up some law books.Grandfathered is a term in law meaning if it is there before it was written in law it gets to stay. Altimont was around before 1972, so the Rivards are wrong, and the board of supervisors will just laugh at them. I mean really there is only 2, out of how many supervisors that join there sense of invalid opinion? Really it's laughable.
Really how stupid can you be to build your home next to a race track, then accuse the owner of hate full malice and ridicule.

John Cohndren isn't a bad guy that the media makes him out to be. He is just a business man trying to make a dollar and let people enhjoy entertainment at the same time. I don't blame the fact that the Rivards paint this portrait of him being a bad wicked man. I am a business man myself, now if you tried to take the money out of my pocket that feeds the system would I be happy.... Fuck no, the Rivards need to die a slow ignorant death, the same ignorance that made them think they did a enough research when they bought there home.. Really when the Realtor sold the Rivards the land he was probably thinking"this is the biggest gullible group of suckers ever". Really the Rivards should sue there realtor , not the county or Altimont.

Besides have you zoomed out on the google map of altimont????LOL Altimont is in the middle of fucking no where and people decide to build next to it... Some people are just born dumb....

Really what next, are people going to start building next to infinion raceway and start complaining? LOL

BTW look at the picture of the Rivards closely, I think they are brother and sister.. SERIOUSLY!!

[PhilthyS13]

This is a case of coming to the nuisance.

They knew it was there. They got their land for cheap because of its location. That would be like buying land next to the Harris feedlot on Highway 5 and then complaining about the smell.

I just hope the track hired a good lawyer.

[green17]

The Rivards want it all to them self and couldn't get it so now they're hurt to the point where if i can get it so are you..

[downshift_sideways]

I hope they die.

[supad0rk]

I do not believe that may be a credible article because most articles on the "Community for a better Altamont" are from her. It seems that she took multiple articles over the past year or so, combined them into one and added her own "information." Both sides (the community and track) seem to be stabbing at each other left and right... no back stabbing because they are smart enough not to trust each other... it is just blunt stabbing. Neither side can be trusted from my own digging around, so something will really need to be done in order to get the track open to us. A little look into some public records looking at both sides would help, and presenting something to some kind of board without either present would be a miracle. Both sides seem waay too shady and have their own hidden agendas, dig around and find something on our own to help us.

At this point there is nothing really more we can do except come up with a different way of dealing with the situation, the county or board or whoever banned drifting was likely not aiming against us, but against the track owner. The "community" seems to just hate about anyone who has to do with the track and the people on the hill have more than enough money to influence those around them.

Just a thought though, if none of that will really work then we better come up with something before the people on the hill get their chance to get what they want.

[blu808]

I hope when they die, and one day they will just like everyone else they will realize how many peoples dreams they killed, businesses they effected, and lives they put in danger by being greedy.

I understand wishing to have peace and quiet for my family. And that is why I dont live next to a fucking race track.


God. Why do dumb people have money?

Yes that is a generalized assumption. It is true as well.

[S14DB]

The law will prevail and Altimont will remain open. The Rivards don't understand that altimont is "grandfathered in", if you don't understand what that means pick up some law books.Grandfathered is a term in law meaning if it is there before it was written in law it gets to stay. Altimont was around before 1972, so the Rivards are wrong, and the board of supervisors will just laugh at them. I mean really there is only 2, out of how many supervisors that join there sense of invalid opinion? Really it's laughable.
Really how stupid can you be to build your home next to a race track, then accuse the owner of hate full malice and ridicule.

John Cohndren isn't a bad guy that the media makes him out to be. He is just a business man trying to make a dollar and let people enhjoy entertainment at the same time. I don't blame the fact that the Rivards paint this portrait of him being a bad wicked man. I am a business man myself, now if you tried to take the money out of my pocket that feeds the system would I be happy.... Fuck no, the Rivards need to die a slow ignorant death, the same ignorance that made them think they did a enough research when they bought there home.. Really when the Realtor sold the Rivards the land he was probably thinking"this is the biggest gullible group of suckers ever". Really the Rivards should sue there realtor , not the county or Altimont.

Besides have you zoomed out on the google map of altimont????LOL Altimont is in the middle of fucking no where and people decide to build next to it... Some people are just born dumb....

Really what next, are people going to start building next to infinion raceway and start complaining? LOL

BTW look at the picture of the Rivards closely, I think they are brother and sister.. SERIOUSLY!!

Looking at the pics I posted. I think he bought the property cause the track was there to build his motoX empire. Then at some point the wifey caught on and wanted to sell the property. Then the husband gets the great idea to build a house out there.

Has anyone looked into public records:
When was the House actually built?
When were they married?
When did the change their residence to there?

[BigVinnie]

Has anyone looked into public records:
When was the House actually built?
When were they married?
When did the change their residence to there?

I believe the home was built in 2003? Not quite sure on that though.
I don't care to read the east bay guardian to much either nothing but tree hugging liberals, that give there twack point of view, from being pot smoking hippies there whole life. Really the Rivards must of had to pay them big dollars to launch that stupid fucking article.

[supad0rk]

Pocket change for him probably he is the President of Placement Pros. Everything there is old news that she took and decided to add on to, read some of the old articles and you will see the same stuff just not as overexagerated and with less bs... i mean details.

[240truk]

omg this article pisses me off so much. I was so excited when i heard about this track and all the drift events that were happening and so so so excited about how close to home it was. When I finally had my car ready to go I did one event! ONE! and then this bullshit, I hate these people so much!!!! ruined it!

[genericforumname]

The rivards can suck my sweaty nuts. Because of them I had to close my business. Not to mention the whole import industry in the bay area has been effected financially.

if this is true then you should be able to get in on the issue and help defend the track, as closing it would also adversely affect potentially thousands of others in the community as well.

[blu808]

Yes it is true. And it will also make the state loose money through taxes and whatnot.

[slappythehomelessclown]

I made thise video for the Rivards.:keke:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/slappythehomelessclown/videos/th_Mr.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v421/slappythehomelessclown/videos/?action=view&current=Mr.flv)