1slowS13

Who here has heard of ACN? I tried searching if a topic about this company has been discussed, but nada.

A lot of my friends jumped into it, paid the fee, started buying suits and all that.. Me and my friend's ages range from around 16-20, and they said you'll make money since you're still young, if you stick with the company..

I actually went to one of the meetings, and I was fairly impressed. It sounds just like any other company with just another product and services..

The reps over there did a good job making you feel like shit about your part-time job though. The whole, 'If you don't want to join, thats fine, we still need someone to flip our burgers, right?' speech. No, I don't flip burgers for a living.

Whatever, this is America. I came from a third-world country and I know I have got it going way better than my home country.

Future240

Wiki had this to say. Even before I went to wiki the above sentence made me think pyramid scheme. I've run into something like that before. It sounded so good until I really thought about it. Those people build it up so good and wonderul but no job should make you pay it before it pays you

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1slowS13

I also skimmed a bit through scam.com and google.com. Some people suggested most of the Reps at ACN were bribed, including Donald Trump, even though he is retardedly rich.

from Wiki..

On 15 November 2004, Australian Communications Network Pty Ltd (the Australian branch of ACN inc.) was investigated by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) for alleged breaches of the Trade Practices Act 1974 in regard to provisions in the act relating to pyramid schemes.[7] On 23 March 2005, ACN was found by Justice Selway to have participated in, promoted and induced or attempted to induce persons to take part in a pyramid selling scheme. A federal court appeal later reversed the earlier decision made by Justice Selway. The ruling indicated that the alleged "recruitment payments" did not fall under the definitions of the law. The ACCC was ordered to pay court costs.[7]On 15 November 2004, Australian Communications Network Pty Ltd (the Australian branch of ACN inc.) was investigated by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) for alleged breaches of the Trade Practices Act 1974 in regard to provisions in the act relating to pyramid schemes.[7] On 23 March 2005, ACN was found by Justice Selway to have participated in, promoted and induced or attempted to induce persons to take part in a pyramid selling scheme. A federal court appeal later reversed the earlier decision made by Justice Selway. The ruling indicated that the alleged "recruitment payments" did not fall under the definitions of the law. The ACCC was ordered to pay court costs.[7]

Haha, i guess we can include the federal court of australia to the bribed list, hah

S14DB

Being in the low level of a MLM you never make a good return. You have to start out early and get a lot of people/tiers below you in order to make the good money.

Multi-level marketing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IMHO, MLM's are like a virus that needs new blood to live/thrive. They operate in a gray area as a pyramid scheme is illegal. But, they sell things to make it look legal even though the commissions from sales are low and most of the money is made from recruiting.

Amway is/was the worst. Even renamed them self's as quixtar to get more people that were turned off by the Amway name.
Amway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Quixtar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In re. Amway Corp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.


The reality is that your friends need people below them to make more money and they want you to join to make money off your sales. Kinda exploitative...

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C2AUTOSPL

any kind of business involves the pyramid scheme. Manufacturers - distributors - dealers - etc.

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LB.Motoring

Lol,

my ex gf took me to one of these because I would rag on it, one of the ACN conventions or some shit.


the whole time I just made questions to fuck with them, its a stupid pyramid scheme, I actually liked to go, there was lots of retarded hot girls.........


Trust me baby, if you suck it, it will make your headaches go away, trust me..........





oh, and even funnier, only the employees that were in the crowd would like clap when shit happend, it was so obvious, and Tons of Douche bag dudes, like OH YeAHHH, Im soooo RICHHHHhhh, It was almost funnier than a stand-up.

If you have a good head on your shoulders, go just for kicks to laugh at them.

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C2AUTOSPL

I went to one of the siminars since I figured it doesnt hurt to check it out, and also free food.

Its pretty promising since you pretty much carry all major telecommunications companies such is T-mobile, Nextel, Sprint, AT&T etc.

Also, monthly payments are a bit cheaper compared if you go to directly to the major companies, BUT not all the phones are available thru ACN(ie iPhone)

THe only thing that throws people off is that you have to pay a fee of $499 to open an acct. and you'll have to have a certain number of points(10 total) to actually start making money.

My friend joined this 2 yrs ago, and now she bought herself a nice house.

Its not for everyone.

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rainier

like everyone said, to make money, you need people under you, and since all your firned are already joined, theyll be making the money off you. dont join. haha

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Uh, No.
Pyramid scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

is not the same as:

Distribution (business - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

A normal business model can support itself when it has enough people to fill the roles. Pyramid schemes can not and always need new people to stay alive. Normal distribution models can operate with the same number of people forever. Only need more to increase output. Pyramid schemes will dry up and run out of money if they don't keep adding people. Like a virus that needs a new host once it drains the current one.

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Future240

That was it. Quixtar was the one I went to. It sounded so good. The guys made it seem like everyone was going to be so rich. Funny thing is he was like "this is not a pyramid scheme" then the showd us how the owners wich was like 1 dot was on top then the people below them which was like 3 then so on, kinda looked like this . Hmm that shape looks familliar well it looks like a pyramind when I type it out
11
111
11111

Beat me to it.

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g6civcx

The difference is that a normal business adds value, or should be at least, to every step of the process.

A pyramid scheme adds no value and relies on new people to contribute money. Some clever people attempted to circulate products (toothpaste, penciles, etc.) within a pyramid scheme and claim that since there is a product, the scheme is not a pyramid scheme.

The difference is that the product being circulated doesn't have any intrinsic value in the market (or very little value).

A normal business essentially converts the labour of its employees into something more valuable than what the company consumes. The product/service has an intrinsic value in the market, and could be liquidated into a cash value.

Gnnr

It sounds like a plan to drill a hole into hell to unleash ancient demons to help run a global diet pill pyramid scheme! (ATHF)

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rainier

another thing, if they are so sure that you are going to get a good amount of money out of this, ask one of the higher members to PAY for your entry

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imotion s14

Not only that but if you start to build the pyramid eventually it becomes mathematically impossible to sustain.

Say you have to recruit 6 people.. do the math. By the 11th level, that's larger than the population of the US!

01 > 6
02 > 36
03 > 216
04 > 1,296
05 > 7,776
06 > 46,656
07 > 279,936
08 > 1,679,616
09 > 10,077,696
10 > 60,466,176
11 > 362,797,056

Notice that most of the people who go there are young?

ALTRNTV

ACN is a pyramid scheme. My friend used to "work"
for them and he made absolutely no money.

Don't do it.

imotion s14

You can make money. Just got to start up a scheme yourself or be in the upper levels and sleep at night knowing that you scammed naive young people out of their hard earned money.

ALTRNTV

If I could get unsuspecting people to fork over
$200+ each to start a "business", I would.

DataXUnknown

ROFL I had to quote this because I went to one and thought the same thing. I had to practice saying something on the phone with a hot chick "Hi my name is Wes and blah blah blah".

But man, those guys acted to surpised when the phone call was forwarded to 4 other phones, they went nuts! VOiP! Hahahaha omg memories...

Matej

Reminds me of Boiler Room.

RiversideS13

trust me, people around you is going to hate you if you join this the multilevel marketing stuffs.

Kaizen.

I am not for ACN. Nor do I work for ACN.

But, I do work in the MLM world. I work for Usana Health Sciences.

The company makes superior supplements thats changed my families health, thats the main reason why im doing this on the side. I can't complain about the money, heck I work 2 hours a day. The most important part, it keeps my s14 clean! =)

Theres 3 types of people.
1- People that tried it and failed.
2- People who have never tried it, speaking as if they have.
3- People who have tried it and done well on it.

Who would you listen to?

YouTube - MLM: Do Most People Fail?

YouTube - MLM: Who's Getting Rich—Who's Not

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Matej

You're one of them!

Dousan_PG

i talk w so many customes who changed to acn and back to their original compnay
why?
because they all got conned into it by family
and their family never got paid and ended up quitting

dont try get rich quick schemes
it NEVER WORKS.

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Is USANA Health Sciences a Fraud? - Seeking Alpha
Usana Gets SLAPPed Down - Seeking Alpha

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RiversideS13

you see, you will be like this and people around you hates you. if you want to success in your line, you will have to believe in it. and you believe in it so much you want people around you to believe in it too. it becomes rather annoy. my bro's wife join few of those kind of stuffs, i admit the product works amazing good, but nor i will try buy more than once a year or tell people around me how good it is.

it is a religion.

btw, they religiously praised "DR. M W wentZ" in Usana health science. but if you search pubmed (which is the most trust and accredit peer reviewed scientifically publication), that fool only has 3 publishes made in the database. and two of them are unrelated to the products that they are selling and another he is not even the principle investigator (meaning his contribution is uncertain, i had a publication in pudmed in same way too and i am still not sure what was it about)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...2Wentz%20MW%22[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_Results Panel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus

StevenQ916

I totally 100% completely agree with NismoKidd, I myself works with Usana Health Sciences. Ive myself been taking the nutritionals since i was 16, my whole family takes them. Not every MLM company is considered a *pyramid scheme*. If you were to define a pyramid scheme then most would say * people at the top makes the most money, or recruiting is bad*..if so the NBA, NFL, Harvard, Standford etc their all bad. In the Corporate Society with any company, the person on the top (CEO) makes the most money, but how come their not consider a pyramid scheme? All I'm trying to say is not ever MLM is bad, maybe some are, but some of the good ones are truly noted. Me as a 18 year old, high school dropout, been kicked out of 4 schools, no diploma, no college degree, I seriously cant complain about what I'm making and where I'm at in life. If people still want to hate thats fine, but haters recognize good work. When your researching about something or a company, please note which is fact or fiction, PERSONAL OPINIONS or PROVEN FACTS.

Kaizen.

In March of 2007 Barry Minkow of the “Fraud Discovery Institute” (FDI) put out a big nasty paper charging that the MLM Company Usana was a Pyramid Scheme. Minkow also “shorted” Usana stock to fill his ex-felon pockets (or shadow clients). The Wall Street Journal said this on March 15th 2007:



“But the Salt Lake City-based company's unusual sales system is drawing a skeptical review from Barry Minkow, the convicted stock-fraud felon turned private investigator who has bought "put" options on Usana's shares in a bet the price will fall. Usana traded yesterday at $58.77, up 24 cents, at 4 p.m. on the Nasdaq Stock Market and now has a market value of about $1 billion.”

Building Your MLM-Network Marketing Business: Usana and Barry Minkow Update
USANA BUSTS FELON Scams againt MLM Barry Minkow, John Taylor - Robert Fitzpatrick -investigation

People use to view franchises as scams.

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I like how StevenQ916's first post on Zilvia is to come try and back his friend up. Either that, or NismoKidd made another name to back himself up. Too bad I can't IP check that...but I bet mods can

I agree with RiversideS13, people around you will hate you, and you will become annoying as all hell pretty much.

S14DB

Still Had a SEC investigation from that and a SLAPP judgment against USANA for the frivolous lawsuit this year.

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Kaizen.

We got sued by a Convicted Stock Fraud Felon. Whoa! He gets paid for our stocks dropping? Weird.


Herballoveshop.com : Comparative Guide To Nutritional Supplements 4th Edition- McWilliam, (Books)

So us being compared to over 1k products and coming out top 4 must be a scam too right? Usana probably made that too. Maybe Dr. M Wentz with a phD paid the Physicians Desk Reference to put their supplements in their right? Eh, its just the book of every known high grade medicine/vitamins ever made. Maybe my moms bone density test from the doctors is a scam, stupid doctor told her she has the bone density of a person half her age. That jackass even told her she has twice the anti-oxidant level of an average person. Yeah, you guys are right. I better get a job. A real job. Only 9-5's work. But wait, the guy at the top of a job makes all the money, must be a scam. Maybe I should open a McDonalds or something, but than again I dont have 1 million+ dollars. A mill+ just for Mcd, bs I call scam. Maybe open up a restaurant like I always wanted to, but than again that would cost 100 to 150K to startup, but theirs a 92 percent failure rate within the first 5 years, must be a scam. Last I check it takes money to make money. My moms right, this worlds crooked.


I like how i changed my green squares to red squares over night based on what I do. O well. Reguardless, I still love this site. Bottom line, The products helped my family and my friends. Hell it even helped my giant friend lose 75 pounds within 3 months. Bash the compensation plan all you want, but the products are solid. If you had the opportunity to help your family and friends will you?

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