180sExy

Sup everyone! I saw a couple of music threads on here an there are some people on here that are hip hop heads like me! So was just wondering who's on your 10 list of MC's!
1. Tupac(greatest of all time!)
2. Eminem(change the whole game when he came in.)
3. KRS-ONE(dont even need too smoke weed when you listen too his music!)
4. Talib Kweli(lyrics are amazing and uplifting!)
5. Mos Def(topics an lyrics are timeless an up lifting!)
6. NAS.(just straight up Timeless!illmatic!)
7. Big L(verbal murder on the mic! truly Harlem’s finest!)
8. Big Pun(first Latin rapper to go platinum!!!!!)
9. Rakaa a.k.a Iriscience(love his presence on stage an the mic!)
10.Rza(huge Wu-Tang fan!)

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JesusFreakDrifter

you cannot put eminem second to tupac, eminem is genius in his oratory skills and rhyming skills however there are a lot of people that blow eminem out the water. Jay Z been got eminem for that spot. you got slick rick, i can't think of anymore right now but come on eminem has to be number 10 to all the guys on your list

180sExy

1st off buddy its my top ten if i want too put Weird Al for "White and Nerdy" I can. 2nd how can i put Jay-Z in on 2nd???? Jay-Z WTF!!!! Slim fuckin kills it on Jay's song Renegade.3rd he is a lyirical master mind! When he came out he brought back the batteling to the music.he completly changed the game, and for that I give him my 2nd spot.

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ranger2339

Best ever

bamaboy

I agree with most of what you say about em.....but Jay-Z is king..in my opinion that is. And, I guess I just don't understand why everyone thinks Pun was so good. Oh well here goes.

1. Jay-Z(President Carter)
2. Tupac(Trend setter, fearless, more than a rapper a true artist)
3. Eminem(Brought hip hop back to the battle, amazing lyrics, progressing as a producer)
4. Redman and Methodman(only get my vote when they are together)
5. Nas(I respect him but I'm not a big fan)
6. Scarface(1st person from Houston making noise back in the 80s son!!!)
7. Outkast(any true Outkast fan knows why I vote them here)
8. Busta Rhymes(don't hate, nobody, I mean nobody puts on a better show than Busta!!)
9. Mos Def(I had to put him somewhere)
10. B.I.G.(I love him but I don't think he belongs near the top)

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ALTRNTV

1. Will Smith
2. Jim Jones
3. Nelly
4. Ja Rule
5. 50 Cent
6. Bow Wow
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Kevin Federline
9. P. Diddy
10. Ludacris

180sExy

lolz I know that whole list was a joke but Ludacris is a tight ass freestyler. just cause he's mainstream an did a corny ass cameo on 2fast 2furious dont think he lacks the abiltiy. he actually almost made my top 10.

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ZenkitonS14

1. Biggie
2. Eazy E
3. Jedi Mind Tricks
4. The Game
5. Danger Mouse
6. Deltron
7. Dre
8. Wu Tang
9. Atmosphere
10. Gang Starr

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ALTRNTV

You don't like my list? Then you don't know hip-hop!

S14Josh

As far as Emcee's go on my list

1. Nas
2. MF Doom
3. Guru
4. Murs
5. Mos Def
6. Talib kweli
7. Common
8. Ghostface
9. Big L
10. Boots Riley

ALTRNTV

Nice list of underground artists. +1

180sExY- is the only "hip-hop" you listen to, on the radio?

kodama

1. apathy
2. celph titled
3. living legends (tied w/ sunspot jonz solo stuff)
4. deltron
5. jedi mind tricks
6. immortal technique
7. atmosphere
8. demigods
9. esoteric
10. oktober

i think 180sexy only listens to the radio ><. i cant stand that rap crap they play on the radio, its a disgrace to hiphop.

S14Josh

This should be changed to top ten hip hop artists. I had to leave out a bunch of people since they are groups and not single emcees.

ALTRNTV

Here's my "mainstream" list:

1. Tupac Shakur
2. Notorious BIG
3. Nas
4. Jay- Z
5. Rakim
6. Talib Kweli
7. KRS-ONE
8. Mos Def
9. Ice Cube
10. Method Man

Phlip

Personally, I cannot file this list in order, because something could fall to the internet TOMORROW to change my opinion. So take it for what it is worth, knowing that it is about 9:30 EST on January 6, 2007

Tariq "Blackthought" Trotter - and for proof, listen to 3 songs, all on The Roots' albums:
Concerto of the Desperado, from the album "Illadelph Halflife,"
Quills, from "Phrenology"
Web, from "The Tipping Point"
... still not convinced? Well go back and listen to the albums from which above named songs were drawn from, then pay CLOSE attention to the fact that one is drawn into the ability to tell the story presented or make one feel that 'Riq is just as great as he tells one that he is. Now, come back at him with a reason that you can HONESTLY use to present that he is not.

Antonio "Big Daddy Kane" Hardy - Brooklynite turned North Carolinian, BDK has gone from "Raw" (and the stellar remix) to being able to rock right alongside the 21st century underground darlings Little Brother on "Welcome to Durham," and not at all seem to be almost 20 years Phonte and Pooh's senior. Need more proof? Ask any REAL lyricist in the game now or before, and Big Daddy Kane is INVARIABLY named as an influence.

Nasir bin Olu Dara "Nas" Jones - That dude that saves old-schoolers from having to look like pretentious old assholes, but allows young dudes to look like they know something of the past and present. MC Search and Large Professor's "failed" project turns classic and then lends itself to a 12+ year career. Classic albums? Yep... Commercial flops? See "Nastradamus" and "The Firm," but it could happen to the best.

William "Rakim" Griffin Jr. - (don't tell Freddie Foxxx about this choice) The fact is, that while Rakim has known NO success outside of the MC in front of Eric B's turntables (hell Eric hasn't either), there is NO denying his powerful influence on the game as we all know it right now. Actual rhyme patterns? Got it, started here. Not rhyming 30 minutes over a breakbeat in loop (AKA 'song structure)? Check. Look back to the story rhymes, hell throw in the bragging as well. We got that too. Lyricism, as presented to the public, begins here.

Shawn "Jay Z" Carter - Again, a case where success can undermine the very reasonings that one should be included on such a list, HOWEVER, the fact remains that one usually is only afforded the chance to oversell shitty product one time, if that one time happens early in a career. jay decided to get old and lazy, waiting 7 albums to do that to us. Fact remains, however, that we were all waiting in line to push the next to the next level. Hell, he even hit us with 2 CLASSICS after that. Again, one can claim ubersuccess as a reason to not be included on this list, but work ethic and an extremely efficient eye for detail gets him on mine.

"Talib Kweli" Greene - "Real name, no gimmicks!" Think back, at the height of being what he was, came the line "If skills sold, truth be told, then I would be/Lyrically Talib Kweli. Truthfully I want to rhyme like Common Sense..." The verse continued, but I won't. To get the blessing, as a "Backpack rapper," from one of the hugest sellers on planet earth, how could you NOT make my list. Fine, I explain further. Listen to ALL of the "Mos Def & Talib Kweli are BlackStar" album, listen to "Reflection Eternal," spend time listening to "Quality," you then realize that you are 3 and 3 quarters albums in before you realize that he has even missed on an EXTREMELY minor level. Hell, I knew all the words to all of them before I could BEGIN to acknowledge it.

Lonnie "Common" Rashid Lynn - See the end of line 1 of Kweli, just above. When you get done, check the love story to hip hop itself in "I used to love H.E.R." then back up one track and listen to "Resurrection" again. Fast forward a few more and listen to "Communism." Are you convinced yet? Deal with the inner struggle that couples being human, up to and including personal and moral shortcomings on your next album. Now, I want you to make an album ignored by the masses, but displaying no less of a razor sharp eye for the microphone, then one that alienates even your most loyal of fans. Meet up with the new wonderkid producer who learned from the individuals who helped you with the first 3 of your (now) 5 albums. Take it back to album #2 on the microphone, and gain fans in people who couldn't NAME your fist 3 albums, while gaining BACK those who could name all 5 as well as this one. ... Feel free to play ice cube out like a bitch in the meantime, as well.

Dante "Mos Def" Smith - Call it what you call it. I have personally seen Mos react to a room as it was taking place as if he had spent the previous month writing about it. I have seen him, a "rapper/actor" take an emmy, I have watched him release 2 albums that I found it IMPOSSIBLE to put down when released, 3 if you count the Blackstar album. I have witnessed another "backpack" rapper gain the respect of individuals who HONESTLY probably don't have the time or reasoning to give a bowl of bloody piss otherwise.

Tupac Amaru "Tupac" Shakur AND Christoper George Latore "The Notorious BIG" Wallace I cannot give these 2 individuals separate spots on this list, simply because they were so much into what made each other what they became. They also paved the way for every successful rapper to come after them, pre and posthumously... Factor in, again the ability to tell a story ("Juicy," "Brenda's got a baby"), self loathing introspectiveness, the "I love my mama for tempering me to rise above" and the "I died to motherfucking young" aesthetics of their lives and the only difference is that Tupac was so driven to record that his Modus Operandi was that he would record "a song a day," no matter where he was. On a lyrical/influence level, however, I hold them right on the same (VERY) parallel line.






... Yes, my discipleship of hip hop is THAT serious, come at me again when you feel the need to discuss anything else. I can talk about the underground artists named as well, but the fact of the matter remains that "MC" is "Master of Ceremonies," one of the criterion of which is the ability to master and control a crowd of individuals. The "crowd" is abstract, as a concept and can change as any one of you sees it to be, but remember, one of the things I often speak to is individual and subjective opinion, we can like what we like...
... I just happen to come equipped with good reasons why I do.

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wheresthaboost?

wtf? no lil wayne? guess I have to bring in the new school opinion lol.. lil waynes def. at the top of the game as of now.. eminems fire although I prefer the pre-50 cent eminem.. nas is and always has been sick.. I used to like jay z alot but as of late hes iight.. to be honest I dont like tupac THAT much...

edit: mos def is sick and pun is lyrically crazy..

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wootwoot

I like sumitomo considerably even though some of tokico's stuff is nice as well.

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180sExy

lol i only listen to the radio???? sorry my friend wrong. I dont just listen to the radio. I just dont bump shit just cuz its underground.I dont have the need too feel diffrent and bump shit just cuz its not mainstream. I think living legends are garbage i cant stand anything about them, i probly herd them an saw them preform beforeu did. Jedi Mind tricks are tight as hell i love "uncommon valor, And remeber i am 26 most of the people i use to listen to we're underground. like jurassic 5,Roots,gang starr,mos def,talib,50cent(power of a dollar album)hyro,visionaries. I just stay true too what i like. and "Rap crap"????WTF is that? bad rap? Yeah buddy the media came out with that term. Like it or not there is no difference. Hip hop and rap is all one in the same.

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ALTRNTV

I like the Nabco ones as well.

That just proves my point of you not knowing much.

Phlip

Now, as deeply involved with the underground as I personally am and the fact that have been in a now 2-week argument with my 16 year old cousin comparing Little Brother to Jody Breeze (of 'Boyz N Da Hood) in fundamental musical QUALITY, a conversation exposing some kids that he has known since he was in elementary school as agreeing with me, keeping in mind that they LIVE IN Atlanta, I just cannot agree with you.
The whole "underground because it ain't on the radio" is self-righteous, and downright fucking dumb. Yes, I own music from 7 of your 10, but the fact of the matter remains that the remaining three have remained so far out of my point of view that they happen to not matter, as one might relate it to the definition of what matters, making them a viable subject of this conversation.
Please, PLEASE rethink your point of view, or ESPECIALLY your approach.

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180sExy

hip hop an rap whats the Difference????? explaine it too me oh wise one.

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wheresthaboost?

oh moma, not the "whats the difference between hip-hop and rap?" explanation again...

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Phlip

Let us think of this as the difference between a noun and a verb.
"Rap" - what one does to a beat, usually describable as an individual performing a musical presentation. Usually rhymes, standards include this presentation to be 16 bars (lines) at a time (a 'verse'), sometime (but not necessarily) broken by a 4 bar "hook."
Hip Hop - Taken at the bare essence as the lifestyle, including breaking (break dancing) rapping (see above) deejaying (get behind some turntables and learn) and graffiti (do this INSIDE your house nowadays, no shit). Those most in love with the culture know these facts. Those ignorant enough to NOT know assume these to mean the same things, yet the fact remains that those "rapping" (a verb) and those who love/create "hip hop" (a noun) are from different mind sets. As it were, one can easily become one from the other, but the line is easily straddled.
I claim no level of self-righteousness, yet I know and VERY much respect the difference. As an individual with VERY open ears, my computer owns music that I personally consider to be "hip hop" as well as what I consider to be "rap."
*however*
72 gigs of music makes room for the FACT that there is EVERY genre of music (no country, I SWEAR to it) on my computer.

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BOROSUN

NAS ####1
krs one
killah priest
ghostface
canibus
talibkwali
cmmon
supernatural
dmx
muhammad ali -from watching the documentary, his flow was unheard of back then and is still used today.

i dont care the about the order but nas is number 1 on mylist.

azndummie

biggie
msglenth

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staygold24

PHLIP Niiiice list. Love talib. Haha and did 180sexy get this idea from a jin video?

HyperTek

In no order

Tupac *his style and aggression is what I liked, not his new shit they jus making money off him, last 2 albums where just money greedy bitch record labels putting out crap, like having eminem produce one*
Qtip from tribe
Guru from Gangstarr (but his solo act I dont like soo much)
DJ quik (Prolly not really a top listing MC, but hey i like his laid back west coast flavor)


anyways.. i listen to alot of hiphop imo, but not die hard like some of you guys.. Those artist above I tend to buy albums, but alot of others I dont really buy ..

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p11driver

yo akademik how can u put 50 cent on that list?! pleeeeeaaassee
my top 10
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CANIBUS
APATHY
ESOTERIC
BIGGIE
BIG DADDY KANE
BIG L
RAKIM
VINNIE PAZ
JERU THE DAMAJA
LAST EMPEROR

gotta note chali tuna, epmd, gangstar, afu-ra, method, sinem silla and one be lo, jus allah, scram jones, smoov-e, count salaz, and snoop

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bamaboy

I can't wait until I can spread rep again...this thread is getting it all

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djkowai

hmm lets see in no particular order

ghostface
mf doom
one be lo ( i really think the ways he rides beats are ridiculous)
p.o.s.
immortal technique
nas
kweli
quasimoto
kool keith

im tired and hungover but theres the ones that stand out in my mind.
a lot of you might not agree with these choices, but i probably look at music differently than others. I always think "what are they trying to achieve?"
I believe that for what all these mcs set out to do, dammit they definitely did it 110%. That and the fact that they are just boiling with creativity.