onehundredoctane

The same goes for carrying with a cwp, all the places you listed are also off limits to anyone carrying concealed. The only government property that allows concealment here in NC and SC are public rest stops to my knowledge.

People with cwp's are not the enemy. In fact in NC there is even a law that states (and I'm paraphrasing), if I witness you being attacked by someone and I believe your life is in danger and that you are unable to defend yourself, I am allowed to use deadly force to protect you. Would I personally defend a stranger? Honestly it would depend on the situation.

Being a cwp holder means I am LEGALLY concealing a weapon and have been given permission by the state to do so. Before applying for the permit I had to attend an 8 hour concealment class which went over all the laws governing concealment, and included time at the firing range where X% of my bullets had to hit the target. (I think it had to be 70% to pass, but I don't recall. I shot 100%.) Before the permit was issued I was also finger printed and a copy of my prints are on file with the local sheriffs office of the county I live in and another copy of file with the local FBI office. This makes me traceable to any prints found on a weapon or bullet casings.

Someone with a CWP isn't going out and looking for trouble, it isn't a free pass to shoot anyone for any reason. NC has a law that states (again paraphrasing) if I am the instigator of an argument or fight and the person I'm fighting with pulls a knife or gun or begins to over power me, I am NOT allowed to use my weapon to defuse the situation. If the instigator in that situation were to use deadly force to end the scuffle they would be charged with murder and NOT self defence. To summarize this last paragraph I'll just simply say, you can't start the fight and end it to.

The people with the permits aren't the ones you need to worry about. It's the people that conceal without it that are the problem.

TougeSR20Kid

Exactly, this plus the bit about having ppl with CCWs around it would almost seem like it would be a little safer in those states and counties because after all its a crime deterrent, muggers and assailants would be a little more hesitant if they thought there might be a possibility ur strapped. Also safer cus stranger or passer-by would be able to help you if you are in some real shit (in states like SC)... That's just the way I look at it, I could be wrong, but speaking from experience I live in a rural area where a lot of ppl have guns for recreation and to defend their property and it seems to be an effective deterrent

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theicecreamdan

There are counties that accept "self defense" as a reason. And its not impossible to get the permit in the state.

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TougeSR20Kid

That's an old map lol it looks a lot different now

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FU12

What would one search for to find a newer map?

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TougeSR20Kid

Google ccw in us 20012 or something I know Wikipedia has a map and it changed through the years... Bear in mind I'm on my phone and can't tell if Dan posted that one or not... It only shows 1986 on tapatalk, which I just realized may be why it's only showing 1986, but I know it's definitely changed since 86 I think the most recent change was 2010 but don't quote me on it...... With that being said like 95% of this info is available on CalGuns if you really wanna look it up

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theicecreamdan

It is the gif from the wikipedia page.

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Ah for sure well as previously mentioned can't see it on my phone my bad

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onehundredoctane

So it's not California as a state that won't allow average citizens to get a cwp, but actually the individual counties? That's the weirdest thing. If you have a cwp from lets say San Bernadino, can you carry into Los Angeles county?

Something I hadn't mentioned yet is that there is reciprocity with other states in some cases. For instance the following states will recognize my NC cwp:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

FU12

I doubt if we can carry in LA, unless we're military or LEO. Its safe to say that you can only carry in your home, on your property, friends property or at a gun range. Where I live, in Long Beach, They have only issued one carry permit and it was issued 4 or 5 years ago.

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Well... I'm from Canada, and here, if you're carrying a gun on the street, you're either Police or doing something wrong... so it's kind of scary to think that the average citizen is allowed to carry... Here, we have very strict laws around how you can carry a gun, it cannot be concealed, and it has to be carried separate from the ammunition... etc.


Thanks for clearing that up, i was pretty sure they weren't just giving them out to everyone willy-nilly like... but that makes me feel a little better if i go to the states.

So what you're saying is that it's like Martial Arts.. you're trained, and by being trained you are being held to a higher standard, and expected to use it only when absolutely necessary.

If only everyone thought that way

onehundredoctane

Something like that. But it is up to the permit holder to determine what the situation calls for.

The instructor of my first cwp class explained that if he didn't feel comfortable with you having a firearm in his class, then he didn't feel comfortable with you having it concealed outside of class either. He turned one student away after the first two hours of class and refunded the students money. The guy was a little off and may have had some mental issues, but the instructor was very respectful to him and did not make it a big deal or mention it in front of the class to embarass him.

On a side note, my dad, my sisters boyfriend, my friend Josh and myself are going to the firing range Sunday. To be a good shot you have to stay in practice, right? Last time I managed my three best shots one handed, one of those was bulls eye too! I'll have to get a pic of my dads stainless steel Ruger 357 to post up, I love that gun! Very Rick Grimes (the walking dead), just in the sense that it's a stainless revolver and a long barrel. Yes I know the gun he carries on the show isn't a Ruger.

biggie

As a Southern US guy that scares me. What good is a gun if it isn't loaded?

But a lot of places here, before concealed permits were considered, could open carry (in a holster that was visable). Was nothing weird to see everyone working in small gas stations/stores growing up having a pistol on their side.

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onehundredoctane

Open carrying is a little more popular in the rural areas, seems like everytime I go to visit my parents I see at least one person carrying. To me it's not that big of a deal, I'm happy to know someone else is carrying, but I personally don't want to display it to everyone around me.

biggie

The town I grew up in still doesn't have a red light. So yeah, its a bit rural.

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VNG704

Iirc, most states are conceal carry. Wi, just ok'd it recently. Got my permit and picked up a pocket 9mm by ruger.

Edit, oh you're from Canada.

theicecreamdan

A CCW from San Bernardino county should be good in Los Angeles county.

Depending on where you get it, there could be some restrictions printed on your permit, which might play into whether its good in LA or not.

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sky53line

To follow on top of "people with cwp's not being the enemy"

Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store - ABC4.com - Salt Lake City, Utah News

onehundredoctane

^I love hearing stories like that, it really shows you that people can make a difference and even defend others.

DS562

i would want to conceal rather than open carry. i guess its the logic that if im in a liquor store and a guy walks in to rob the place while my back is turned, he's going to eliminate the biggest threat first. which will be me because he saw the .45 on my hip. i'll never have a chance. if i conceal, he wont know im packin too and will assume im a negligible threat.

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FU12

Shows that just because someone is carrying doesn't mean they have to shoot to de-escalate the situation.

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The Tucson Atrocity: Joe Zamudio’s Story | American Handgunner

there we go. if tl;dr, sit your ass down and read it.

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SochBAT

I went to the gun range this weekend and went through what seemed like thousands of rounds.

H&K 9mm Compact
Springfield Armory XD-40
Wilson Combat 1911.

The accuracy on that H&K was something I hated. At 10 yards, my spread was basketball sized at best.
The XD faired a lot better for me. Grouping was roughly the size of a baseball.
The WC 1911 was fucking amazing as shit. Grouping was golf ball sized. Straight up tight butthole.

There is a HUGE difference in gun builds which I saw first hand. Factory-line guns are cheaper for a reason. There was a fair amount of play on the slide and fitment could've been better, but for 300 bucks, you can't really complain.

brad_240sx

I was just going to share this

onehundredoctane

Exactly. This is why I choose not to open carry. I'm carrying the gun for my protection and I'm the only one that needs to know it's there, and you couldn't be more right, open carrying makes you a target. A felon can't purchase a gun legally, so what's the easiest, cheapest way to acquire one. . .? You guessed it.



Thanks for posting that, I took the time to "sit my ass down and read it". Here is one of the biggest problems with what I read:

States that offer concealment permits require training and the permit holder to understand the laws governing use of the weapon and the "use of deadly force". It doesn't simply give you the right to be a gun slingin cowboy and save the day.

Additionally, this guys problem is that he rushed in looking for the fight. He wasn't in the right place at the right time and just happened to be concealing, he wasn't trying to defend himself, family or friends, he didn't know the conditions or that someone had already taken the gun from the attacker. He ran in looking to play hero, and almost killed the actual hero who had taken the gun from the attacker. If you hear gun shots the first thing you DON'T do is take off running in that direction to see where they came from. The purpose of a cwp is to allow the public to defend themselves, friends and family against attackers and would be criminals.

Prime example,(true story) a friend I grew up with was leaving a pizza place with his girlfriend. They were the last customers of the night so the staff locked the door behind him when he and his girlfriend left. They got half way to their car when a guy walked up asking for a cig, he told the guy he didn't smoke, then the guy asked for a lighter, he again told the man he didn't smoke and therefore had no lighter. The guy pulled a knife and demanded my friends wallet, his girlfriends purse and her jewelery. There is no heroic end to this story as my friend didn't own a gun at the time. Luckily no one was injured or stabbed, but at that moment there is no worse feeling than being unprepared. Of course the police didn't catch the guy, my friend had thru the process of getting another drivers lisence, credit cards, etc, not to mention what his girlfriend had to give up. Someone can point out that loosing your wallet and some of your girls jewelery is a small price to pay to live to tell about it, but I'm not one of those people. I'm not going to tell you to do what the bad man says and he'll go away. Giving in to such only enables that person to do it again. I work for the money that's in my pockets unlike the coward that steals from an honest, hard working citizen that actually contributes to society. Let that person try to take my hard earned money from my pocket and it'll be their last time.

I qualified with an XD9 on my first cwp test, it was the first time firing it and I loved it. Looking at a XD40 for a new concealment after firing one this weekend.

Got a late birthday gift from my sister over the weekend, 100 rounds of 0.40 hollow points. Does my sister know me, or what?

C*bass

Technically restricted guns(pistols,ar15s, all the fun stuff) have to be concealed for transportation. In a locked opaque case. And can only be transported straight from your home to an approved shooting range, which you need a piece of paper from the government to say its alright to do.

As for it being scary that average citizens are allowed to carry. I would say its far more scary that the only people here that are carrying are criminals and cops. Don't even get me started on our self defence laws. You'll likely face less time for robbing someone at knifepoint than you would face for defending yourself using a gun.

SochBAT

Once you start reloading, you'll never (at least almost never) got back to buying off the shelf rounds. It's a whole new hobby.

HalveBlue

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/

OpenCarry.org - A Right Unexercised is a Right Lost!

I found both of the above sites to be very useful.

I received my CCP in Utah in 2005. A lieutenant in my unit had arranged to conduct a CCP class for anyone that was interested. The instructor was an SF veteran from 19th Group. Very competent and informative.

My permit has since expired. Unfortunately I live overseas right now in a place where owning a gun, much less carrying one concealed, is next to impossible.

bb4_96

I live in illinois Only way I can carry is through a sketchy loophole in the wording of the transportation legislation.

onehundredoctane

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