spngr311

I'm all for that - I hated living in South Florida! I liked the people there, have a lot of friends down there, but man, the rest of it sucks - more expensive, congested, and surf that was nonexistant, screw that! I do think it's funny you consider Tampa and Orlando the boonies.

Andrew Bohan

shiiiiit people in san francisco think san jose is in the boonies, and it's fucking connected hahaha

KA24DESOneThree

Mother of five beaten in Perris home invasion robbery - PE.com - Daily News Digest

Man suspected of luring children into alleyways is arrested - Los Angeles Times

Just some recent problems.

You know what else guns are good for? Exercising Constitutional rights.

Why is it that you're so quick to prohibit rather than punish? You can punish me all you want if I use my firearms in a matter inconsistent with the law, but you absolutely should not prohibit me from owning them.

The idea is ridiculous. Just because we no longer use them to kill game does not make them superfluous.

cdlong

so you want 5 year olds to be packing all the time? not to mention, he lured them, meaning he convinced them to follow him of their own free will. and what is a gun going to do for a sleeping woman against 10 men with handguns.

the only point you could be making is that the possibility of the presence of guns could have detered some of the assaliants.

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89dc240

Ahh and ya'd get sued just the same if he didn't die when ya tried to pitchfork him or somethin. Might as well choose a little jail time and no payout to the guy who tries to rob you that can't have sex anymore. Or something.

Mr Clark, do you know in fact how they initiated the gun ban in Canada? I'd be glad to have some reinforcement in the registration leads to confiscation argument.



Guns are just cool anyway. There's nothin like tossin a bunch of clay pidgeons up while your buddies shoot and then swith up and blast a few yourself. The best part is getting girls into it. A girl that can use a 12ga is hot in my book. A girl that can hold onto a M11 with a couple of loose fingers and get it to empty 32 rounds in like 2 seconds and walk away with a bigger smile than you ever saw... downright scorching. Shooting is a hobby for millions of people. Grandmothers do it. Seven year olds do it. Moms and dads, brothers and sisters. And it brings people together. Google that shit, lol.

What if your Grandfather brought a gun back from WWII and it was all you had left of him? Would anyone give that up? Not likely. Instant criminal when Obamski does his thing with the U.N. thing.

Now somebody said somethin about Bush pissin everybody off and goin for two terms. To those who say he's dumb, how'd he figure out how to get a second term? He beat out the dems twice so he had to be doin somethin right. And his pissin everybody off was pretty much dictated by 9/11 right? What would you have done differently, in his shoes?

spngr311

Not to bash Bush (I voted for him twice, and would still have done it), but I think Karl Rove had a lot to do with his campaigns.

89dc240

Ideally thats what you want. To prevent any confrontation. If the criminal knew you had a gun would they be as quick to rob someone? Require a training class for concealed carry permits if you want(some states do). Thats another matter in itself though.

Of course 5 year olds should not have guns but hunter safety training classes start at 12 years old in PA and thats perfectly fine. Obviously not to just let em rock out in the woods for no reason with no supervision. Responsibility is a huge part of legal gun ownership, as legal gun owners are well aware.

If one woman was surrounded by 10 dudes with guns, you don't think she'd wish she got a couple rounds off and was killed instead of getting repeatedly "taken advantage of"? What woman would want to survive that, over goin out fighting.

I can't understand how non gun people(save for a personal thing that happened to them) can be against them. In fact, many people who are against them, are actually for them. Such as Oprah Winfrey, who is protected by armed body guards.


None of this is to say that we should just sit down and let John McCain run away with our 2nd amendment. At least Palin is a life member of the NRA.

HalveBlue

You'll run into problems if you extrapolate that theory. Confiscation and Gun registration are intrinsically linked. Registration wouldn't be necessary if potential confiscation wasn't the ultimate objective. The problem however comes that registration of firearms and the subsequent confiscation thereof are done for two different reasons today. In most developed countries, the strict control of firearms is seen as a public health issue. In other countries, and historically, guns are registered and confiscated primarily to keep political regimes in power. While many may see the former to be easily exploideable agenda to subversively institute the latter, the big difference between the two is that in the first world, guns bans generally supported by the public, where as in other countries they are generally imposed by the governing regime.

Modern, developed countries face little chance of experiencing societal or governmental collapse like what was happening not even 50 years ago.

It should be noted, also, however, that gun bans do not have a distinguishable correlation with dropping gun related crime. Nor do countries with liberal gun laws have an epidemic problem with gun related crime.

South Africa has a near total ban on firearms yet has one of the highest crime, and particularly gun crime rates in the world. Conversely, Israel and Switzerland have private gun ownerships as high or higher than the U.S. yet do not share the same rate of gun crimes.

Although there are legitimate points on both sides of the issue, in the end the issue is more or less about way individual societies view weapons and acceptable behavior as opposed to the actual objects themselves.

I personally am a concealed firearms permit holder. I feel more secure knowing I have the ability to do what I feel will improve my personal safety. Although I should also note that I've never been in a situation where that level of force is necessary. In fact, the number of situations that could have remotely escalated to that level are so few and far between that it's irrelevant. Guess I'm a lucky, peaceable person.



What?!


Trust me, Obama or not, gun culture will remain alive and well. The cultural attitudes towards guns in America is completely different to what you'd find in places like Europe.

Bush barely won two elections.

Only one, if you look at it like a lot of other people do.

Both elections were heavily contested.

As I said in another post, Bush won the first election on a wave of anti-Clintonism and moral conservatism that was born under Newt Gingrich's Republican Congress. This movement largely insured victory for Bush only because it was able to bring the more traditional and fiscal Conservatives under its umbrella. Had the whole and the White Water investigation and the consequent impeachment not happened Gore would have probably won.

The second time around, Bush, again, barely won. This time largely due to the Republican's party successful attempt to rally enough of the American people behind the war cause, by making them feel guilty for questioning the administration's handling of affairs.

President Bush is certainly not dumb. But by no means is he eloquent or successful at explaining and proving his agenda. Definitely not somebody, I would want representing my country, the more powerful country in the world, to the rest of the world.

As far as what I would have done differently 9/11?

Well, I certainly wouldn't have invaded a little country called Iraq...

kingkilburn

The people might not be devided by red and blue but the electoral college sure as hell is. Until EVERY vote is counted on a county by county basis we will still be a divided nation(or get rid of the two party system).

Cali looks like a blue state but it is nearly 50/50 dem and rep. If the San Juaqin Valley split off of the rest of Cali it would be almost unanimously red.

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Gnnr

HEY PEOPLE,

Don't forget this thread is supposed to a joke

funnny haha heheh

geesh

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KA24DESOneThree

Great post.

I don't carry concealed because I can't get a CCW here in SD county, but I have carried openly before (Condition Four only, though, and with loaded mags on the other hip), and I usually carry my Sig in a locked case on days I don't have to go to school. The locked case exempts me from concealment laws and provides Fourth Amendment protection to my Second.

Firearms are equalizers. They provide the means for an 85-year-old woman with arthritis to fight back against a 25-year-old who, when not robbing or stealing, likes to lift weights and has a one and a half foot height advantage.

By the way, I live in a blue state, and most blue states have higher crime than red states. Blue states also tend to have more restrictive gun laws but high gun crime.

Jordn

I find it interesting sitting on the fence listening to both sides of the US 'Gun' discussion. As an outsider, living in a country with very tight gun control laws as well, it seems to me that gun ownership is seen as a 'right' in the US rather than a privilege,but I'm not sure this is a healthy way to look at it. MAYBE guns have their place in your society, I'm certainly not educated on the subject enough to provide a definative answer but just looking at a comparision between the US with relaxed gun laws and the UK with strict gun laws I've wored out that if the USA and the UK had the same population size, the USA would have 34 times the number of shooting homicides that the UK has. Make of that what you will.

In our society over here I've never felt the need to own a gun and never been in a situation whereby I thought to myself 'I really wish I had a gun right now'.

Please don't take this as a 'we're better than you' post but just a view from someone removed from the situation.

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aNskY

the liberal whack-job who actually wrote what the OP posted wasn't joking, im sure.

89dc240

Well, its a right, but you have to have not screwed anything major up in your past. So it's also a privilege. Anything from arson to aggravated assault, to too many dui's in 5 years can disqualify you from owning, or in some cases purchasing firearms.


One more for the "pro" list.

Natural disaster. There's always good and evil, so the good do need to be able to protect themselves from the bad. The movie Hard Rain is a perfect example. So was Hurricane Katrina.

One thing with the numbers in your little experiment, one factor to calculate in might be the number of gun related murders in a more restricted area vs. an area with relaxed laws, within the U.S.

Speaking of the UK, I heard a UK newspaper printed that Obama's Aunt is living in a crappy slum in Boston, Mass. Isn't it just awesome that we get to hear about stuff like this not from our own media, but from an outlet several thousand miles away.

Spread the wealth around a little bit Obama. Just not your own. I heard he called himself, "my(his) brother's keeper, and my sister's keeper". what about your Aunt dude. She's family and you got a huge house, put her in the back somewhere and make her clean the dishes or something. Let her live in a slum in Boston? WTF you piece of s**t. Send off Rashid Kaliti at his going away party though you dick. A millionaire, talking about spreading the wealth around a little can't put his aunt up in his house? And she has reportedly said that she's not allowed to talk about him until after the election.


Whatever, if the people want him, they will get what they deserve.

Gnnr

Then don't do him the favor of taking it seriously.

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imotion s14

Kind of hard to have a house full of assault rifles when they're pretty hard and expensive to legally obtain under the National Firearms Act of 1934. But don't let the facts get in the way of sensationalism.

So someone has to be killed or a gun has to be fired in order for you to consider a life was saved? The majority of self-defense usage happens without a shot fired. Most people who get into that situation don't even report the incidents to law enforcement and they don't keep statistics on attempted self-defense anyway.

KA24DESOneThree

The first ten Amendments to our Constitution are known as the Bill of Rights.

The Second Amendment reads: "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Driving is a privilege, gun ownership is a right. It's extremely healthy to exercise one's rights.

89dc240

Unfortunately, Barack doesn't believe the supreme court was radical enough during the civil rights movement to break free of the constraints of the constitution. That's why he'll appoint judges with a very left leaning track record, who have no problem legislating from the bench based on their own beliefs.

4 days to go.

Jordn

Like I said, I'm not sure thats a healthy viewpoint. Maybe if it was seen as a privilege people would treat them in a different way.

Me and a group of friends were discussing this the other day and an interesting point that was raised was why do people need Automatic and Semi-Auto weapons 'for protection'. Sure I can see why you might feel secure by owning a handgun, be it for firing warning shots or just the 'presence' of a gun being a deterrent but Semi/Auto weapons? Seems over-kill for protection/self defense.

I suppose it does help having an Automatic weapon with a big clip when it comes to mowing down classrooms full of students though?

Here in the UK we have almost gone TOO FAR the opposite direction. Did you know that if someone breaks into your house in the night and you seriously hurt/shoot them you can be sued in the UK? Thats right, someone on YOUR property with the intention of stealing YOUR belongings can SUE YOU if you use unjust/excessive force. Thats bullshit. A famous case -

Life for farmer who shot burglar | UK news | The Guardian

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imotion s14

Did the Dunblane shooter treat it differently in the UK?

Well for one, it's hard to obtain "automatic" weapons.

Handguns are "semi-automatic".

the VT shooter killled 32 people with two handguns. Likewise these types of shooters have one thing in common. The shooters were all calm, meticulously shooting at their target one at a time.

I've heard of the Tony Martin incident.

murda-c

Maybe farmers shouldn't shoot kids who are running away?

just sayin'

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imotion s14

Or maybe they shouldn't be breaking into people's house who have guns?

just sayin'

KA24DESOneThree

How, exactly, am I supposed to treat a right, one we were given on December 15, 1791, as a privilege? It may not be a "healthy viewpoint" in your eyes, but it's a right given to us by our Founders. If it was simply a privilege to own a firearm, it wouldn't be in our Bill of Rights, now would it?

You anti-gun Brits have been brainwashed by your media and government into thinking that guns are overly deadly objects of murder and mayhem. If you leave a loaded gun on a table in a locked room where no one can get it, it won't fire a single round in one year or in a thousand years. It takes a person to pull the trigger.

Why not limit the police to revolvers? After all, semi-automatics and automatics are overkill.

You cannot ban something simply because evil people will use it for nefarious purposes. The judicial system's point is punitive, not prohibitive. To prohibit the whole citizenry from ownership of weapons or parts for weapons is to imply the citizenry is not trustworthy and they are to be kept an eye on.

Automatic weapons are just plain fun. We're (I'm using the term loosely, as here in Kalifornia I am not) allowed to have them because we pay the tax and undergo the check to buy one. NFA-registered automatic weapons have been used in exactly two murders in the past 74 years, one of which was committed by a police officer.

Because you're completely ridiculous, let me quote some prices for automatic weapons:
HK MP5K $18,999.99
HK 33: $16,999.90
Reising Model 50: $6,499.99
Colt M16: $10,999.99
Vector Arms Mini Uzi: $10,499.99
Cobray M11A1: $3,999.99
HK MP5: $18,499.99

How many mass murderers do you know willing to fill out an application and fork out at least $3,999.99 for a full-auto piece-of-garbage Cobray .380?

Please see GunCite - Gun Control: Machine Guns for more information about how ridiculously uninformed nearly everyone is on full-auto weapons.

Also, are mass killings with guns the most prevalent mass killings? NO. The most prevalent mass killings are arson.

Naughty240

Im also down for Ireland. Im sure my long lost family in Cork county would be happy to adopt me lol.

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Matej

Guns are tools made solely for one nefarious purpose, to kill.

Haha it's funny how gun people always get so defensive. I don't care, play with your guns, hopefully you'll get lucky and someone will try to rob your house so you get a chance to prove how awesome it is own guns.

ESmorz

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KA24DESOneThree

To defend. To protect. To provide. To equalize.

If it is necessary to kill while defending, protecting, providing or equalizing, then yes, guns are made to kill.

"Gun people" have learned to be defensive, just as "speech people" and "privacy people" have.

imotion s14

Then why do the police carry them?

I don't own any firearms. Of course you don't care. My stance on the right to bear arms is influenced directly from the personal experience of genocide experienced by my family at the hands of the government.

But continue to revel in your own ignorance you stupid fuck.

ESmorz

To kill people if need be...

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