4thHorse

Canada doesn't seem that bad, but I know how you feel. I can see myself any were else, but CA. Well maybe Hawaii(yes I know it's part of the US), my buddy from Hawaii said I should have no problem finding work there. I've lived in Norcal all my life and as far back as I can remember immigration has always been a huge issue. Also I don't vote for presidents, but I do vote for everything else. Bush and Gore election of 2000 was enough proof to me that every vote doesn't count. I don't think voting for independent is really voting for president.

kognition

I think Independent or any party other than Dem's and Repub's is becoming more
or a way to rebel than anything. Both sides are so far away from reality. You see all these republican cats going to prison for greed? Abramoff (Lobbyist) and Congressman Duke Cunningham? More to follow this summer because Abramoff cut a deal to testify against other Congressmen he has done dirty deals with.
It's like a realy bad dream where everything that can go wrong is going that way. Including kissing the asses of illegal protesters. A stupid President that would rather be home playing Play Station, and a V.P. that shoots people in the face on hunting trips.

axiomatik

Hey now..... as President Bush tells us all the time, it's a HARD job. And just to keep up with it, he has to work 24/7.































24 hours a week, 7 months a year!

btw, the president makes $400,000 a year. The funny things is, back in 1789, the president made $25,000 a year. Can you imagine how much money that would be today?

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I can, Australia....yeah baby! Only other place I would even think of moving to!

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BigVinnie

The fence was put up for a reason. Maybe it's time to add an electrical current to it..... J/K thats inhuman.
The problem with letting people south of the border in specifically is that they hinder our medical system. For one I work in the general construction field and my dad is a contractor. Now lets say that some one south of the boarder that isn't hurt claims workmans comp, now they have become a leech in our country and money more than likely is getting sent back to the south as well. Beyond that claiming there hurt and going back out to sit on the corner to collect more TAX FREE money!!!! Mind you that illegals don't pay taxes, while the majority of those visiting from other countries do. It's not just the people that are south of the border who are at fault, but it's also the slime ball shit head contractors that low balll bids to hire these people, they just took away from people that pay for things at the average expense. Either way you look at it, it doesn't work for hard working americans. If workmans comp rates go up, the fact is I make less money an hour. Right now I make $26.00 an hour, but because the workman comp rates have raised over 300% due to fraudulent claims I am now making less money i8n an inflated economy (I should be making $30.00 not $26.00) due to the fact that my employer pays higher rates. This is true especially if you look at workmans comp rates in the state of california, and look at the tremendous number of inexperienced illegals that file..... So in the long run the government loses additional tax dollars since I make less, and I inevitably make less, nobody of legal status wins in this situation. People are to stupid to figure this economical strategy out and wo0uld rather give up the additional on average $5000.00 a year that could of been in there own pockets, it's not smart and puts us more on a path of socialism more than anything.
Also keep in mind if we chose to make it easy for people south of the border to become legal citizens, then next thing you know we have provided to much lienency and all of Mexico and south america will want to be a U.S citizen as well, (that can't happen). So we might as well just own Mexico, but that obviously won't happen. So as a given it just can't be easy to become a U.S. citizen. Therefore there needs to be some form of established control with rules and regulations.
I don't mind that certain illegals want to be legal citizens, but here is the problem. They can't become a citizen unless they have paid taxes, now really how many people south of the boarder do you know that paid taxes and make uder $3.00 an hour. They don't and now it becomes more of a snowball effect.
I'm not a hater, to each there own, but maybe instead of people fleeing to our country because there's is so fucked up, maybe they need to take a stand for there people instead of running from the problem, and correct there own government. Our country is a melting pot and the fact is as far as economic stability is concerned we don't have room. As much as I don't like president Bush, I do agree with some if not many of his idea's and this is one of them.
Fact is we don't see canadians from up North runnin across our boarder do we.No because atleast Canadians bring some sort of economic stability to where they do not hinder or leech upon our system as a whole group of people....

Nan Desu Ka?!

I agree with a lot of people in this thread.

1. Mexico is a FUCKED UP place, politically/economically.

2. We have a HUGE illegal immigrant problem that is not easily solved any way you look at it. A wall will not work, making it easier to get legal will not work and lead to a MASSIVE influx of immigrants, which we simply cannot do.

3. The rules and regulations on corperations hiring illegals are NOT being inforced. We need this to happen if there are to be any concequences for corperations hiring at sub-minimum wage.

4. I am half mexican, my great grand parents legally immigrated not speak ANY english. They got jobs in texas, learned english, learned our political system and saved money to make their own business. They payed taxes and voted. This is not always possible, but I think it should be MANDATORY that immigrants learn the language, pay taxes etc. Im tired of us giving away money to illegal immigrants in terms of health care/workers comp, etc. That is money our LEGAL citizens are getting robbed of.

5. When illegals come over and make money, they send it back to Mexico. I know first hand. It is fact and the Mexican gov't loves it. Hence Vicente supporting illegal immigration to the US

6. Another thing that really bugs the hell outta me is illegal immigrants protesting for more rights. MORE rights?! Rights of what exactly? Legal citizens? HELLO, you have to be LEGAL to get the rights our citizens have. Basic human rights are all you are given as far as im concerned, anything beyond those rights must be earned through LEGAL immigration.

Still think Mexico doesn't know whats going on?

I almost NEVER agree with Pres. Bush, but I have the right to becuase I didn't VOTE for him. It is EVERY Americans privilege to vote, and it's very very very sad that so few citizens do... yet MANY complain about the way our government is ran. To those of you I say this, You have absolutly NO right to complain unless you take on your responsibility as a contributing member of our society and VOTE. The Greeks had a word for those who did not participate in the Society, Community and State/country politics : "IDIOT"

I do not know what the solution is, but I'm more that willing to support ANYONE who has a decent idea. It will not be easy, but its a big enough issue that it warants WAY more in-depth study, as OptionZero stated.

Quick idea... how about taking those jobs illegal immigrants use to supposedly support the economy and making our incarcerated population do it? I know that doesn't begin to cover everything, but it's a valid idea.

/rant.

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OptionZero

I heard a pretty good point today:

There's people forced to migrate to California from other states because of Katrina. Some people are denied housing or medical services because...yep, illegal immigrants taking up space and money.

Is that right? No offense against illegal immigrants, but families and children shouldn't have to suffer because of people who hopped a fence, and i'd give them priority if i had the power to make a decision.

EchoOfSilence

? It's not like immigrants are taking up EVERY bed and are using up EVERY last penny. There's room. I think the real issue is whether or not they're being turned away for other reasons... honest or not.

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OptionZero

No, they're not taking up every bed and every penny everywhere, but in SOME PLACES, I would have no problem believing that local municialities were forced to turn down some Katrina survivors specifically and exclusively because of illegal immigration.

Remember, illegal immigration strains all aspects of society: public safety, law enforcement, as well as jobs, housing, medical, education.


Here's one thing everyone must realize:
You cannot help everyone. Period. We may want to, we may hope to, but the fundamental fact is that the United States, California, your city, will never be able to support and help every individual.

Is that right? Perhaps not, but it is reality. The faster that realization occurs, the less bullshit we have to put up with.

Trying to help everyone is a path to self destruction.

L1ama

Who cares if its right or wrong, who would do all the work in America if it wasn't for Mexicans, I'm sure you wouldn't wash my car for 25 cents.

EchoOfSilence

Or run companies like Alienware, Tradestation Securities, Proftech, Recourse Tech, Refense Tech., Network architects, Matterhorn Capital.... you want me to go on?

You're really asking for it, aren't you. I hope you're having fun.

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Nan Desu Ka?!

STOP THE RACISM

ffs man, just stop. I cannot belive you are still un-banned...

lol Echo... my bro has an Alienware >.<

Oh you forgot CompUSA! It's owned by Carlos Slim... one of the richest men in Mexico. Cash flow business too. In other words, CompUSA never takes out bank loans. So they dont pay intrest or fees in American banks... so there is no investment in this country besides regular taxes...

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Edited as requested.

Phlip

That would be just fucking gorgeous if Spain was as close as, say, Canada. The fact of the matter is that there would be great expense in transport and arranging to send illegals to Spain, and who is to say that they actually want to go there? Are the things that make them want to immigrate to the US present in Spain?

I can't speak from experience, I don't speak enough Spanish to want to go to Spain, or back to Mexico, EVER.
The fact of the matter is that sending them to Spain is just plain and simply an assinine idea.

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EchoOfSilence

That's retarded, I'm sorry

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L1ama

How the hell am I being racist, I give Mexicans props for how much work they do, when I go to my friends house there is always land scapers, we buy them pizza and stuff, how the fuck am I racist? My point is what difference does it make if they are here illegally or legally, I personally don't care. BTW I'm not talking directly to every single Mexican out there, I don't know why you take offense, you shouldn't unless your an illegal.

drift freaq

Your general attitude appears racist, even if you think your not. Your whole statement of who else would do the work.
Your statement of, we buy them pizza and stuff, while it may seem cool, also could be seen as condescending. In effect, your taking pity on them in a demeaning way.
It matters big time, that they are here illegally. If they get in a car accident, who pays? We do in higher insurance rates. Due to the fact that most illegals are unisured and usually have no license but drive anyways.
Who pays for bilingual stuff at the DMV and other places, because these people do not learn english and want us to communicate with them in their language? We do, as taxpayers. Who pays for these people injuries, when they get hurt and go to the local hospital to get care but can't pay so its charity? We do in higher health insurance costs.
The country cannot afford to support people that are not contributing to the system. We also cannot just give these people carte blanche citizenship just because they are already here. Our current infrastructure is already overtaxed as it is. If we allowed all the illegals citizenship our country would go broke, before they could start contributing to make up for the expenditures.
If you do not understand the complexities of the issue, you should not even be participating in this discussion. From your statements you really do not understand all of this.

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Nan Desu Ka?!

Bravo.
I was just about to comment with almost every idea you already said.

Llama, you have no place in this discussion. I'm guessing you are either under 18 years of age, or you do not participate in your community politicaly or otherwise. So you really DON'T understand the complexity of this issue.

The fact that you think its "cool" to buy them "pizza and stuff" is incredibly demeening. Your whole attitude towards "mexicans" is condecending and uncalled for.

That is the reason I am taking offense. NOT becuase I am illegal... I was born here and realize how lucky I am to have been. You seem to take that for granted.

Dave, I agree with the bilingual stuff. If I went to Mexico (or any other country) and demanded that someone speak to me in MY native tongue at a government agency (or anywhere else for that matter) I would be laughed at. Why on earth do (illegal)immigrants belive WE have to cater the THEIR needs. If you are going to come here legally or otherwise, LEARN THE DAMN LANGUAGE. It's the least you can do untill you start to contribute to the country you are immigrating to.

Im not going to go to Japan and expect their DMV to speak to me in english...

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L1ama

I see your point, but I guess on the east coast we do not have too much of a problem like that, there isn't a lot of illegals that I see here, me and my friend buy 2 pies, one for them one for us when they come to land scape at his house, you can't expect white folks to do the land scaping, I know I wouldn't.
Basically, it doesn't affect me as much as it affects you I suppose, thats why I can care less, and see them as useful people and don't mind their stay here.
Well, sorry if I offended anyone, I'm going to bail out of this thread now.

S13SilviaGirl

OK enough is enough... I tried talking to you, being nice, and tried to explain...but you sir are clueless. WTF..you "can't expect white folks to do landscaping" is BS. I know a lot of white people that do landscaping...in socal.
The other comments throughout zilvia are just as bad. Please, educate yourself. You may not seem to come across a certain way, but the complete lack of thought structure makes it incomprehendable. Pinked.

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Llamayo

You racist motherfucker, glad you are banned.


You can try perm banning me, I'll just make a new username.

Phlip

Nice try there, buddy, you just got your pinked screen name permabanned, and I will ban this one as well.


... permanently, and don't get your IPs clipped too

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Llamaisracist

Ban this one too

Llamaisracist

you will have a lot of fun, i can keep making them

Llamaisracist

fact is i can always make one that doesn say llama on it ull never know gg

BigVinnie

Actually Zilvia mods are smarter than you think jack ass, all they do is look up your I.P address. You have to live somewhere ass hole.....
You sir suck at life and your existence is pitifull.
You P.Med me asking how do I make $26 an hour in the construction bizz...Easy bitch it was given to me like a hand me down since my dad is a contractor LAME ass, I know enough to be a leader not a follower. One day I will be the contractor, and I will not stoop as low as you to hire illegal work, that sucks the life out of our economy. I was raised the right way, you sir just suck, you are beneath me....
I do grunt work but one day I will lead the people that do the grunt work, learn to respect it bitch...

nistech

Illegal immigration puts pressure on public schools and hospitals...strains state and local budgets...and brings crime into our communities. These are real problems, yet we must remember that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are decent people who work hard, support their families, practice their faith, and lead responsible lives..

First, the United States must secure its borders. Our objective is straightforward: The border should be open to trade and lawful immigration- and shut to illegal immigrants, as well as criminals, drug dealers, and terrorists....

America can be a lawful society and a welcoming one at the same time."

- President Bush

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Gnnr

I had a very crazy idea when I wask joking around with my friends and I know I'm making this overly simple. But lets just take over Mexico, and protect the Guatemalen and Belize border instead. The wall would be much smaller, and we can employ the Mexicans to build it.

Here's a map to get an idea of the border sizes:
http://www.only-maps.com/mexico-central-america-map.jpg

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