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SiI40sx · 05-15-2006, 06:09 PM

wtf? stupid ass president is going to "increase" the border partol for our nation, mainly "focused" on our southern border. wtf what about west east north?! did you guys hear his address? it kept contradicting itself and said nothing useful and left a lot of facts out. "The border patrol is doing a better job they caught and returned 6 million illegals" yeah but how many got in??

L1ama · 05-15-2006, 06:28 PM

Mexicans will still find ways to sneak in, why doesn't he improve schools, or fix pot holes with the money, roads in NYC kill struts within 6 months or less, sometimes its worth speeding over the bumps, even if you get a ticket, the car would take less punishment, well anyway he said something like he will put motion sensors, and use all the technology to prevent them from coming in, but still a lot will come in here some way.

cheap_sticker05 · 05-15-2006, 06:33 PM

Why the hell does he have to interupt Prison Break?!

ALTRNTV · 05-15-2006, 06:36 PM

You should put a PW disclaimer on your thread title.

SiI40sx · 05-15-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cheap_sticker05

Why the hell does he have to interupt Prison Break?!

off subject but +1 for prison break haha

gorgasm · 05-15-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cheap_sticker05

Why the hell does he have to interupt Prison Break?!

I am anxiously awaiting that tonight. im glad im on the westcoast ^.^

A Spec Products · 05-15-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cheap_sticker05

Why the hell does he have to interupt Prison Break?!

oh crap

i forgot its tonight

gotta go home im outta here ahhhh

theicecreamdan · 05-15-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by L1ama

or fix pot holes with the money, roads in NYC kill struts within 6 months or less, sometimes its worth speeding over the bumps, even if you get a ticket, the car would take less punishment,

no, speeding only makes it feel like less punishment, but you are in fact putting more strain on your suspension by going faster.

Wouldnt fixing the potholes be something you need to talk to your governor about? or mayor?

L1ama · 05-15-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by theicecreamdan

no, speeding only makes it feel like less punishment, but you are in fact putting more strain on your suspension by going faster.

Wouldnt fixing the potholes be something you need to talk to your governor about? or mayor?

Eh, I just hope they fix the damn things, one time I accelerate off a light, next block the middle of the block, I notice something, and I always sit all the way back, and I come up and look, and I see literally like 4 inch inside the ground hole on the road, stretches through both sides of the road and is about 10 inches wide, because of some construction, so I nearly locked my tires trying to stop for those, I noticed some cars on the other side going really slow, so I was lucky enough to start looking for hazzards on the road, I rolled over it at like 2 mph or so, you won't imagine how bad the roads are here, maybe you are right, but some things like this, yes have to go really really slow, but I still kind of feel like I need to go fast over certain ones, since the car just flies over them, and interior shakes less, so I guess it takes less damage. I'm pissed because our tax money is going to improve our borders, fuck the borders, I want some smooth fucking pavement

SiI40sx · 05-15-2006, 09:30 PM

hahaha theres more responses about prison break than there is about the actual topic of this thread haha, +2 for prison break

m072514 · 05-15-2006, 09:33 PM

you should take that up with the municipal or state government. the president has very little to do with the quality of the roads in NYC.

OptionZero · 05-15-2006, 10:45 PM

governor here already put a shitlaod of money into rebuilding crap

environmentalists and democrats wanna use it on healthcare, social services and education

you make the call

president's incharge of immigration..bitching to local government about it is pointless, really

the border needs to be strengthed, this is not deniable
on the other hand, the immigration system needs to be reformed and less corrupt

practically speaking you can't deport that many people anyways
illegal immigrant labor strains the government in law enforcement, social services, and education...but it also allows big business to keep prices labor thru cheap labor

really, we need a comprehensive study detailing the cost of immigrants to local and state government versus the economic benefit

illiegal immigration is illegal, but capitalism is capitalism

green talks

oh, and bitchign about government...you only get to do that if you vote, otherwise ur just a ignorant idiot spouting off like a coward thru the internet

research anything before you criticize it, do your civic duties (jury duty, military service if it comes to that), and you have the right to moan and whine all you want

what i hate is immigration protests demanding more rights and crap...well, fine, you want rights? well how bout being so eager to pay taxes and contribute as a a citizen?

on the other hand, people railing against immigrants...they dont exercise the rights they have, so they're hypocrites too usually

stupidity on every side, every aspect of society

punkz · 05-15-2006, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

stupidity on every side, every aspect of society

That sums up everything pretty nicely.

HyperTek · 05-15-2006, 11:36 PM

The main reason he is concentrating on the southern boarder is not of race, but just becuase majority of the illegal immigration comes from there. Its easier to put a fence up and gard it instead of monitoring the air traffic and sea patrol on the west or east coast to see who is coming over.

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush said Monday night he would order as many as 6,000 National Guard troops to secure the U.S. border with Mexico and urged Congress to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at citizenship, as he tried to build support for a major overhaul of the nation's tattered immigration laws.

"We do not yet have full control of the border and I am determined to change that," the president said in pressing for his $1.9 billion plan in a 17-minute prime-time address from the Oval Office.

Bush gave strong support to a plan that would give many of the 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States an eventual path to possible citizenship - a move derided by some conservatives in his own Republican Party as amnesty. He rejected that term.

"It is neither wise nor realistic to round up millions of people, many with deep roots in the United States and send them across the border," he said. "There is a rational middle ground between granting an automatic path to citizenship for every illegal immigrant and a program of mass deportation."

The Guard troops would mostly serve two-week stints before rotating out of the assignment, so keeping the force level at 6,000 over the course of a year could require up to 156,000 troops.

Still, Bush insisted, "The United States is not going to militarize the southern border."

The White House wouldn't say how much the deployments would cost, but said the troops would paid for as part of $1.9 billion being requested from Congress to supplement border enforcement this year.

The president timed his speech hours after the Senate began intense debate on an immigration bill that has been getting increasing attention in a year when all House seats and one-third of Senate seats are up for election. The rare televised, prime-time Oval Office address signified the high stakes for Bush, who has been asking for an immigration overhaul since his the 2000 campaign.

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House Majority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo., indicated Bush may have some trouble getting some conservatives on board with his overall plan.

"While I appreciate the president's willingness to tackle big problems, I have real concerns about moving forward with a guest worker program or a plan to address those currently in the United States illegally until we have adequately addressed our serious border security problems," Blunt said.

Bush said the National Guard troops would fill in temporarily while the nation's Border Patrol force is expanded. He asked Congress to add 6,000 more Border Patrol agents by the end of his presidency and to add 6,700 more beds so illegal immigrants can be detained while waiting for hearings to determine that they can be sent home.

For many years, the government has not had enough detention space to hold illegal immigrants, so they were released into society and most did not return for their court date. "This practice, called catch and release, is unacceptable and we will end it," Bush said

The Border Patrol would remain responsible for catching and detaining illegal immigrants, with National Guard troops providing intelligence gathering, surveillance and other administrative support. Yet the National Guard troops would still be armed and authorized to use force to protect themselves, said Bush homeland security adviser Fran Townsend.

They are to come from the four border states - California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas - but those states' governors may also seek Guard troops from other states. Reaction was mixed among the nation's governors.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said troops might provide short-term relief but he did not believe border protection was an appropriate role for the National Guard. California has thousands of Guard troops in Iraq and might need them in case of earthquakes, floods or other emergencies, he said.

"So if you have 6,000 in Iraq and send another 6,000 to the border, what do we have left?" Schwarzenegger asked.

But another Republican border state governor, Rick Perry of Texas, said he was glad the administration had decided the Guard had a role to play along the border. "We have the ability to multitask," Perry said.

The White House hopes deployments to the border will begin in early June.

Many congressional Republicans said they supported Bush's plan to use National Guard troops at the border. But he ran into criticism from Democrats and some other Republicans.

"Democrats are willing to support any reasonable plan that will secure our borders, including deploying National Guard troops," said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. "But Americans don't want a plan that's been cobbled together to win political favor. This cannot turn into another long-term military deployment with no clear plan."

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid said Bush "got off to a good start tonight, but now he must stand up to right-wing members of his own party who are working to block Senate action." He called on Bush to "denounce the misguided approach of House Republicans" who won passage of a a tough immigration bill that would erect fences along the Mexican border and treat people who sneak across as felons to be deported.

Bush said the nation has more than doubled the size of the Border Patrol during his presidency and has sent home about 6 million people entering the United States illegally. Still, he said, that has not been enough.

"For decades, the United States has not been in complete control of its borders," the president said. "As a result, many who want to work in our economy have been able to sneak across our border, and millions have stayed."

He called for enactment of a guest worker program to allow immigrants to take low-paying jobs, and he said employers must be held to account for hiring illegal immigrants. He said that a tamperproof identification card for workers would "leave employers with no excuse" for violating the law.

And he stressed that those who want to earn citizenship should have to assimilate into society, learn English, pay fines for breaking the law and pay back taxes.

"What I have just described is not amnesty," Bush said. "It is a way for those who have broken the law to pay their debt to society and demonstrate the character that makes a good citizen."

The president's call for tougher border security is part of a broader plan to overhaul a system that he has described as inhumane, with desperate foreigners risking their lives for a chance to earn U.S. wages. The issue raises emotions on all sides, with many Americans and influential conservatives in Congress angry that foreigners are taking jobs and draining resources across the country.

The White House hopes that the tougher security will be enough to get House conservatives to support the work permits and citizenship proposals that they have been opposed to. A bill that passed the House last year ignored those ideas and instead would increase criminal penalties for illegal immigrants and construct 700 miles of fencing.

Bush addressed some of his comments to lawmakers, calling on the Senate to act by the end of the month so a compromise can be reached with the House. "I want to speak directly to Members of the House and the Senate: An immigration reform bill needs to be comprehensive, because all elements of this problem must be addressed together, or none of them will be solved at all."

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Mr.S14 · 05-16-2006, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by L1ama

Mexicans will still find ways to sneak in

I DID!!

jdm_s14_zenki · 05-16-2006, 03:55 AM

You cant please everyone...some people like the border build up (cons) some people hate it (libs) no matter what, no one will ever agree. IMO Americans are losing jobs to Illegals because they work for less $ and we all know that. This will destroy our economy. Since Americans are Legal USA citizens, Americans should have the right to have a job over an Illegal, but business owners do not think that way, therefore Bush has to enforce this, so the Americans have first dibs. When i say Illegal, i do not mean mexican, vietnamese, canadian, or any one race. I mean ANYONE that is here in the USA illegally. There are green cards and work permits/visas u know..The USA has been more then leniant on this issue and it has been WAAAAY overly taken advantage of.

***S13SilviaGirl*** · 05-16-2006, 04:12 AM

There is also the military. A LOT of people every year gain citizenship through HONERABLE military service. Personally, I think this is a great way to show support of the US while still gaining citizenship legally. Plus, it gives them a lot better living than that of a migrant worker or for working under the counter for less wages.

yokotas13 · 05-16-2006, 04:45 AM

You know, i really dont see the need for people to argue about what our president is doing.
Either way, someone is gonna bitch....no matter what happens.

jdm_s14_zenki · 05-16-2006, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by S13SilviaGirl

There is also the military. A LOT of people every year gain citizenship through HONERABLE military service. Personally, I think this is a great way to show support of the US while still gaining citizenship legally. Plus, it gives them a lot better living than that of a migrant worker or for working under the counter for less wages.

i think this is a real touchy subject. people escape their own countries for the individual freedoms we have here, which is understandable. and thats why there is america, but you gotta do it by americas rules. thats all they ask. my mom came here from Korea, as well as her whole family, and they all gained their citizenship with no problems. while my dad is white and he was born here, hes got nothing to worry about, and neither do I.

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You know, i really dont see the need for people to argue about what our president is doing.
Either way, someone is gonna bitch....no matter what happens.

no one is arguing, just expressing opinions in a debate.

Lost_DriFter · 05-16-2006, 05:11 AM

ehh i just hope bush is out of that position soon though i think hes got 2 yrs ugh prison break rules....
bush sucks
im hungry
and isnt there a way to get him out of presidency earlier b4 his erm is up??
if it wasnt for him none of this **** wuld be happening

ALTRNTV · 05-16-2006, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost_DriFter

and isnt there a way to get him out of presidency earlier b4 his erm is up??

Impeachment. It will not happen though.

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Originally Posted by Lost_DriFter

if it wasnt for him none of this **** wuld be happening

Care to enlighten us on this shit that is happening?

yokotas13 · 05-16-2006, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jdm_s14_zenki

i think this is a real touchy subject. people escape their own countries for the individual freedoms we have here, which is understandable. and thats why there is america, but you gotta do it by americas rules. thats all they ask. my mom came here from Korea, as well as her whole family, and they all gained their citizenship with no problems. while my dad is white and he was born here, hes got nothing to worry about, and neither do I.

no one is arguing, just expressing opinions in a debate.

it still like winning the special olympics...need i finish the rest. its wasted bandwith for somethign that will never come to a conclusion

***S13SilviaGirl*** · 05-16-2006, 06:02 AM

^^he is just stating his opinion, wich is allowed.

Understandable on them leaving their countries, but, with the military (granted it isnt for everyone) it does provide them another option to US citizenship. I think it is after 3 years (I could be wrong) they are eligiable for the process. Then after their 4-5 years they are free to go and live as they choose. Plus, there are no application fees or anything. It is pretty much free to them, also, after they are citizens, they are able to bring their spouse/children to the states and in some cases ill family members are also able to come.

DuffMan · 05-16-2006, 07:47 AM

Ugh, this stupid address screwed up all my TiVoing for the evening. Worst president ever!

***S13SilviaGirl*** · 05-16-2006, 07:55 AM

^^All the more reason for everyone to vote..

D1champ · 05-16-2006, 08:00 AM

EDIT: I love immigrants!

OptionZero · 05-16-2006, 08:39 AM

It's a problem when illegal immigrants commit crimes (murder, stealing, etc) and we have to prosecute or catch people that aren't paying taxes. They also occupy prisons and housing that should be going to American citizens.

The important thing to note is that this isn't a racial issue: playing that card is tire and shortsighted. Illegal immigration is illegal because it violates the law, not because of WHICH country you came from (any country thats not the US would make it illegal).

Lastly, just because people bitch doesn't mean they're right. Just because people WILL bitch doesn't mean the government stops trying to function.

Debate and disagreement is fine, but ineptitude and complacency are not. It takes a man to cut through the debate and decide which side is right; anyone can give up and say it's too complicated or useless to bother thinking about it.

Oh, and mindless bashing of any state official is getting tired. This is a democracy, if you have a problem it wasn't caused by one person, but rather a combination of officials, your fellow citizens, and your own self.

Now if it were a dictatorship, you could freely blame one guy for fucking up.

axiomatik · 05-16-2006, 11:25 AM

Here's the thing that I don't get. Conservatives want to shut down the border. Their plan is to just build a huge double wall and put more people and technology along the border. But the border is HUGE, so this costs loads of money. Now, back in the 80's, when Reagan gave amnesty to to all the illegals, he also signed stricter laws and penalties for employers who hire illegals. But these laws aren't being enforced. This is why so many people are crossing the border illegally, because it is easy to find jobs. If the INS would just enforce the existing laws and crack down on employers, we would have a lot fewer illegal immigrants because they would have a lot harder time getting a job. Plus, this is much cheaper than building the Great Wall of Mexico and posting 70,000 people to guard it.

Also, to those people who say, "why don't they just follow the legal process, my aunt so-and-so came here from England and had no problem", You don't know how the system works (not trying to be offensive, here, just informative). The immigration system is based on quotas. It says that a certain number of people are allowed to immigrate to America per year. I think it is around 140,000 people. However, no more than 7% of that 140,000 can come from any one country. So that means that (based on the 140,000 figure) only 9800 people are allowed to enter the country from Mexico LEGALLY each year. That isn't very many. So in countries like Korea, England, etc, there aren't many people looking to move here, so they don't run into the quota problem. The quota problem also exists in India and China. There are loads of highly skilled engineers there that want to move to the USA. And there are plenty of US companies that want to hire them because they cannot find anyone here in the states to fill the position (the US graduates fewer and fewer engineers every year). But they are stuck in a wating list a decade or more long because of the quota system.

SiI40sx · 05-16-2006, 02:19 PM

ugh god.... we never had this problem when hitler was around...

jdm_s14_zenki · 05-16-2006, 02:45 PM

we dont need to kill anyone, just stop them from crossing our borders. Hitler thought for some reason that he needed to kill everyone and take over everything.

05-15-2006, 06:09 PM	#1
SiI40sx BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bass bumpin, mind trippin Age: 35 Posts: 3,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SiI40sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	"Presidental Address" wtf? stupid ass president is going to "increase" the border partol for our nation, mainly "focused" on our southern border. wtf what about west east north?! did you guys hear his address? it kept contradicting itself and said nothing useful and left a lot of facts out. "The border patrol is doing a better job they caught and returned 6 million illegals" yeah but how many got in??

05-15-2006, 09:33 PM	#11
m072514 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2005 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 384 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you should take that up with the municipal or state government. the president has very little to do with the quality of the roads in NYC. __________________

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yokotas13 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Milford, CT Age: 36 Posts: 10,519 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: yokotas13 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	You know, i really dont see the need for people to argue about what our president is doing. Either way, someone is gonna bitch....no matter what happens. __________________ 2015 Subaru Outback Overlander - Wagonofdoom

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Lost_DriFter Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Carteret Posts: 97 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ehh i just hope bush is out of that position soon though i think hes got 2 yrs ugh prison break rules.... bush sucks im hungry and isnt there a way to get him out of presidency earlier b4 his erm is up?? if it wasnt for him none of this ** wuld be happening __________________ Lost until my destiny is fulfilled...... Lost_DriFter**

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05-15-2006, 06:28 PM	#2
L1ama BANNED Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Mexicans will still find ways to sneak in, why doesn't he improve schools, or fix pot holes with the money, roads in NYC kill struts within 6 months or less, sometimes its worth speeding over the bumps, even if you get a ticket, the car would take less punishment, well anyway he said something like he will put motion sensors, and use all the technology to prevent them from coming in, but still a lot will come in here some way.

05-15-2006, 06:33 PM	#3
cheap_sticker05 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 178 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why the hell does he have to interupt Prison Break?!

05-15-2006, 06:36 PM	#4
ALTRNTV Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Western Conference Posts: 9,429 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You should put a PW disclaimer on your thread title.

05-15-2006, 09:30 PM	#10
SiI40sx BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bass bumpin, mind trippin Age: 35 Posts: 3,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SiI40sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hahaha theres more responses about prison break than there is about the actual topic of this thread haha, +2 for prison break

05-15-2006, 10:45 PM	#12
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 37 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	governor here already put a shitlaod of money into rebuilding crap environmentalists and democrats wanna use it on healthcare, social services and education you make the call president's incharge of immigration..bitching to local government about it is pointless, really the border needs to be strengthed, this is not deniable on the other hand, the immigration system needs to be reformed and less corrupt practically speaking you can't deport that many people anyways illegal immigrant labor strains the government in law enforcement, social services, and education...but it also allows big business to keep prices labor thru cheap labor really, we need a comprehensive study detailing the cost of immigrants to local and state government versus the economic benefit illiegal immigration is illegal, but capitalism is capitalism green talks oh, and bitchign about government...you only get to do that if you vote, otherwise ur just a ignorant idiot spouting off like a coward thru the internet research anything before you criticize it, do your civic duties (jury duty, military service if it comes to that), and you have the right to moan and whine all you want what i hate is immigration protests demanding more rights and crap...well, fine, you want rights? well how bout being so eager to pay taxes and contribute as a a citizen? on the other hand, people railing against immigrants...they dont exercise the rights they have, so they're hypocrites too usually stupidity on every side, every aspect of society

05-16-2006, 03:55 AM	#16
jdm_s14_zenki Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 703 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	You cant please everyone...some people like the border build up (cons) some people hate it (libs) no matter what, no one will ever agree. IMO Americans are losing jobs to Illegals because they work for less $ and we all know that. This will destroy our economy. Since Americans are Legal USA citizens, Americans should have the right to have a job over an Illegal, but business owners do not think that way, therefore Bush has to enforce this, so the Americans have first dibs. When i say Illegal, i do not mean mexican, vietnamese, canadian, or any one race. I mean ANYONE that is here in the USA illegally. There are green cards and work permits/visas u know..The USA has been more then leniant on this issue and it has been WAAAAY overly taken advantage of.

05-16-2006, 07:47 AM	#24
DuffMan Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: in a cardboard box Posts: 2,517 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ugh, this stupid address screwed up all my TiVoing for the evening. Worst president ever!

05-16-2006, 08:39 AM	#27
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 37 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	It's a problem when illegal immigrants commit crimes (murder, stealing, etc) and we have to prosecute or catch people that aren't paying taxes. They also occupy prisons and housing that should be going to American citizens. The important thing to note is that this isn't a racial issue: playing that card is tire and shortsighted. Illegal immigration is illegal because it violates the law, not because of WHICH country you came from (any country thats not the US would make it illegal). Lastly, just because people bitch doesn't mean they're right. Just because people WILL bitch doesn't mean the government stops trying to function. Debate and disagreement is fine, but ineptitude and complacency are not. It takes a man to cut through the debate and decide which side is right; anyone can give up and say it's too complicated or useless to bother thinking about it. Oh, and mindless bashing of any state official is getting tired. This is a democracy, if you have a problem it wasn't caused by one person, but rather a combination of officials, your fellow citizens, and your own self. Now if it were a dictatorship, you could freely blame one guy for fucking up.

05-16-2006, 11:25 AM	#28
axiomatik Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 4,697 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Here's the thing that I don't get. Conservatives want to shut down the border. Their plan is to just build a huge double wall and put more people and technology along the border. But the border is HUGE, so this costs loads of money. Now, back in the 80's, when Reagan gave amnesty to to all the illegals, he also signed stricter laws and penalties for employers who hire illegals. But these laws aren't being enforced. This is why so many people are crossing the border illegally, because it is easy to find jobs. If the INS would just enforce the existing laws and crack down on employers, we would have a lot fewer illegal immigrants because they would have a lot harder time getting a job. Plus, this is much cheaper than building the Great Wall of Mexico and posting 70,000 people to guard it. Also, to those people who say, "why don't they just follow the legal process, my aunt so-and-so came here from England and had no problem", You don't know how the system works (not trying to be offensive, here, just informative). The immigration system is based on quotas. It says that a certain number of people are allowed to immigrate to America per year. I think it is around 140,000 people. However, no more than 7% of that 140,000 can come from any one country. So that means that (based on the 140,000 figure) only 9800 people are allowed to enter the country from Mexico LEGALLY each year. That isn't very many. So in countries like Korea, England, etc, there aren't many people looking to move here, so they don't run into the quota problem. The quota problem also exists in India and China. There are loads of highly skilled engineers there that want to move to the USA. And there are plenty of US companies that want to hire them because they cannot find anyone here in the states to fill the position (the US graduates fewer and fewer engineers every year). But they are stuck in a wating list a decade or more long because of the quota system. __________________

05-16-2006, 02:19 PM	#29
SiI40sx BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bass bumpin, mind trippin Age: 35 Posts: 3,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SiI40sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ugh god.... we never had this problem when hitler was around...

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jdm_s14_zenki Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 703 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	we dont need to kill anyone, just stop them from crossing our borders. Hitler thought for some reason that he needed to kill everyone and take over everything.

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