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floodo1 · 05-02-2005, 03:32 PM

ok this is actually a double question:

i bent the bracket where the lower control arm mounts. the screw no longer points front-back, its angled now

so the two questions are:
is this mounting bracket part of the front crossmember (FSM and looking at my car seem to suggest so)?
and are s13 and s14 front cross members the same?

time to get this drift damage fixed

thanks
l8tz
josh

floodo1 · 05-02-2005, 03:51 PM

aww cmon my question about lca's got answered within minutes!

floodo1 · 05-02-2005, 06:35 PM

bump, no one knows?

projectRDM · 05-02-2005, 07:00 PM

They're not identical due to PS line attachment points, but either one will bolt in to either car.

floodo1 · 05-02-2005, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R240NA

They're not identical due to PS line attachment points, but either one will bolt in to either car.

but the lower control arm pickup point is the same?
how far off is the power steering lines?
and the rack mounts in the same spots right?

thanks

projectRDM · 05-02-2005, 07:24 PM

Christ, if you wanted to second guess me, why'd you even ask for help in the first place?

If the pickup and mounting points were different, why would I say it would bolt in?

ONLY THE PS LINE ATTACHMENT POINTS ARE DIFFERENT.

floodo1 · 05-02-2005, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R240NA

Christ, if you wanted to second guess me, why'd you even ask for help in the first place?

If the pickup and mounting points were different, why would I say it would bolt in?

ONLY THE PS LINE ATTACHMENT POINTS ARE DIFFERENT.

sorry d00d, didnt mean to second guess you or anything. sometimes people say simple explanations that DONT mean the obvious. like maybe it will bolt up but the pickup point isnt the same, and you just didnt mention that. i really just wanted to be explicitly sure that everything is indeed the same.

seriously man thanks for the help. no offense for reals, i mean you're the only person to answer my question!!!!! and thanks for the bold clarification!

nigel1 · 05-03-2005, 03:39 AM

you wrecked your car drifting??????

I thought you were the GRIP GUY!!! lol!!

but to help you out with the recent damages done to your car...

try the nissan auto recyclers down on central and 99. Im pretty sure they have it.

also when are you going to go with us to the spot?????

get some trwin drifts on!!!

projectRDM · 05-03-2005, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floodo1

sorry d00d, didnt mean to second guess you or anything. sometimes people say simple explanations that DONT mean the obvious. like maybe it will bolt up but the pickup point isnt the same, and you just didnt mention that. i really just wanted to be explicitly sure that everything is indeed the same.

seriously man thanks for the help. no offense for reals, i mean you're the only person to answer my question!!!!! and thanks for the bold clarification!

I was in a bad mood from all the other questions I had just read. Sorry for the attack.

floodo1 · 05-13-2005, 11:56 PM

hey thanks for the bunk advice......NOT
IDIOT!!!!!

s13 and s14 crossmembers are INDEED different. BLATANTLY OBVIOUSLY different, if you have them in front of you! so apparently you've never had both in front of you, yet you speek as gospel!

seriously dood, the power steering line mounting brackers are indeed different....but the engine mount tower is COMPLETELY different. on the s13 it is taller, making the motor sit higher; as well as not being blended with the mounting tabs (where the 2 nuts go on each side).

so yeah its not JUST the power steering line brackets....its the motor mount towers!!!!

furthermore if you call a nissan dealership they will tell you that all s14 crossmembers are the same part number, while s13 crossmembers differ in part number.

......

unfortunately for me i didnt find this out until AFTER i bought an s13 crossmember from pick-n-pull and tried to put it on my s14 kouki. then had to goto the local nissan wrecker and buy a s14 crossmember ('95).

kinda sux that i should have to triple check your statements

...
whatever i learned a valuable lesson...think about ways that you can solve the problem yourself......like calling the dealership. just seemed easier to ask the collective knowledge of zilvia........but apparently not everyone can be trusted

ryan hagen · 05-16-2005, 01:33 AM

hmm, so a s14 cross member would lower my motor? i got one form a 95 in my garage and i compared it to a 92 and didnt see any difference, i ll have to check that out again., i know the racks are suspsoed to be didferent or mount different

floodo1 · 05-16-2005, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryan hagen

hmm, so a s14 cross member would lower my motor? i got one form a 95 in my garage and i compared it to a 92 and didnt see any difference, i ll have to check that out again., i know the racks are suspsoed to be didferent or mount different

ill take pictures tomorow or something since i have my slightly bent s14 kouki crossmember sitting right next to this junkyard s13 crossmember.

as i stated above local nissan dealership (nismo) says that the 95-98 crossmember is the same part number, while the s13 (even 93) crossmember is a different part number.

the crossmember is basically a lower suspension piece (lower control arm pickup point, and steering rack mounting spot), plus towers where the motor mounts rest. the towers between s13 and s14 are substantially different. this also affects the power steering line mounting tabs. not only are the tabs different but the mounting location of the tabs is different as well.

i have no idea if the s14 rack fits properly in s13 crossmember as i didnt even try it.

i can verify that a 95 crossmember fit perfectly in my 97.

so yeah thats the real FIRSTHAND knowledge

edit: ps- the reason why you cant see the difference is that its the towers for the motor mounts that are different, and those are very hard to see while the crossmember is bolted to the car.

pss- if you change the crossmember, when you put the rack in leave the rack loose until AFTER you get the steering column u joint on the rack. THEN tighten the rack according to FSM procedure.

nigel1 · 05-16-2005, 03:28 AM

pwnt.

hey yeah... so wtf... when youj coming to teh spotzorz?

TurDz · 05-16-2005, 04:49 AM

dude that really sucks that you had to go through all that trouble. I like to cross reference statements with published data (or 100% trustworthy data) just for peace of mind, especially for a major suspension piece such as the cross member.

ryan hagen · 05-16-2005, 07:36 AM

"edit: ps- the reason why you cant see the difference is that its the towers for the motor mounts that are different, and those are very hard to see while the crossmember is bolted to the car."

i got one of each on the floor but i never really looked that close to them.

chuy · 05-16-2005, 08:03 AM

I bent mine also when I got attacked from the curb but I still run the car I need to take it too an alignment shop though.

floodo1 · 05-16-2005, 11:14 AM

ryan: yeah check them out you'll see how the there is basically a tower welded on to the suspension portion of the crosmmember, and how the towers are different height and different angle and how the s14 tower blends nicely into the 4 mounting holes where the s13 is more attached to the bottom. it will be easy to see in the pics i post later today.

chuy: yeah you might want to fix that. for my curb sufring i went pretty sideways into the curb at idk 35mph. on mine it slotted the rear lca hole on the crossmember. and im talking about MAJOR slotting. its like over 2 holes wide back there. i'll try to get pics to show you! this is in addition to almost breaking the lca in 2 piece, in addition to ovaling the tension rod (where the liquid bushing goes in), in addition to bending the crossmember back, in addition to bending the tie-rod in both weak places (the narrow part by the threads and the narrow part at the joint at the rack)....yeah i think that covers all the jacked pieces.
so yeah you prolly should take it apart and find out! its pretty damn easy to work on the front end of these cars!

projectRDM · 05-16-2005, 09:12 PM

I have a 93, 95, and 97 crossmember all sitting in the shop. They're all identical as far as bolt spacing and mount fitment. As I said the line attachment points are different. That's it.

I've put 13 racks into 14s, 14 racks into 13s, and one 14 crossmember into a 13.

Now it's possible that the 89-90 member is different than the 91-94, but my information is still correct with respect to DOHC members. And of course the part numbers are different, the parts themselves are different (line attachment points, remember). You can also use S13 mounts on an S14 and vice versa, so how could the member be different?

Your very best bet though to eleviate any future issues is to learn how to drive. Those of us with 13 years experience working on these cars and over 20 years driving experience can actually avoid hitting things. Just a thought.

babowc · 06-14-2007, 04:21 PM

^doesnt sohc and dohc share the same mm?

they share the same block, so ^what you're saying^ doesnt hold up, about the difference in crossmemberse between the 89-90 and 91-98

and i realized this is an old ass thread just now.

i apologize for digging. -_-;

DP_Michelle G · 06-14-2007, 04:42 PM

^^never question him at all

kouki_s14 · 06-14-2007, 04:46 PM

lol i didnt look at the date

05-02-2005, 03:32 PM	#1
floodo1 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fresno, CA, USA Posts: 403 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	haha another answer quick needed: s13 and s14 cross member the same? ok this is actually a double question: i bent the bracket where the lower control arm mounts. the screw no longer points front-back, its angled now so the two questions are: is this mounting bracket part of the front crossmember (FSM and looking at my car seem to suggest so)? and are s13 and s14 front cross members the same? time to get this drift damage fixed thanks l8tz josh __________________ Buy the best, none other compares!

05-02-2005, 03:51 PM	#2
floodo1 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fresno, CA, USA Posts: 403 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	aww cmon my question about lca's got answered within minutes! __________________ Buy the best, none other compares!

05-02-2005, 06:35 PM	#3
floodo1 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fresno, CA, USA Posts: 403 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	bump, no one knows? __________________ Buy the best, none other compares!

05-02-2005, 07:00 PM	#4
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 47 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	They're not identical due to PS line attachment points, but either one will bolt in to either car. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

05-02-2005, 07:24 PM	#6
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 47 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Christ, if you wanted to second guess me, why'd you even ask for help in the first place? If the pickup and mounting points were different, why would I say it would bolt in? ONLY THE PS LINE ATTACHMENT POINTS ARE DIFFERENT. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

05-03-2005, 03:39 AM	#8
nigel1 Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Fresno Ca Posts: 256 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you wrecked your car drifting?????? I thought you were the GRIP GUY!!! lol!! but to help you out with the recent damages done to your car... try the nissan auto recyclers down on central and 99. Im pretty sure they have it. also when are you going to go with us to the spot????? get some trwin drifts on!!! __________________ +0 offset PWNS me

05-13-2005, 11:56 PM	#10
floodo1 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fresno, CA, USA Posts: 403 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Wtf!! hey thanks for the bunk advice......NOT IDIOT!!!!! s13 and s14 crossmembers are INDEED different. BLATANTLY OBVIOUSLY different, if you have them in front of you! so apparently you've never had both in front of you, yet you speek as gospel! seriously dood, the power steering line mounting brackers are indeed different....but the engine mount tower is COMPLETELY different. on the s13 it is taller, making the motor sit higher; as well as not being blended with the mounting tabs (where the 2 nuts go on each side). so yeah its not JUST the power steering line brackets....its the motor mount towers!!!! furthermore if you call a nissan dealership they will tell you that all s14 crossmembers are the same part number, while s13 crossmembers differ in part number. ...... unfortunately for me i didnt find this out until AFTER i bought an s13 crossmember from pick-n-pull and tried to put it on my s14 kouki. then had to goto the local nissan wrecker and buy a s14 crossmember ('95). kinda sux that i should have to triple check your statements ... whatever i learned a valuable lesson...think about ways that you can solve the problem yourself......like calling the dealership. just seemed easier to ask the collective knowledge of zilvia........but apparently not everyone can be trusted __________________ Buy the best, none other compares!

05-16-2005, 01:33 AM	#11
ryan hagen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: rhinelander wisconsin Age: 38 Posts: 1,465 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	hmm, so a s14 cross member would lower my motor? i got one form a 95 in my garage and i compared it to a 92 and didnt see any difference, i ll have to check that out again., i know the racks are suspsoed to be didferent or mount different __________________ 1990 hatch ka24de gt2871r

05-16-2005, 03:28 AM	#13
nigel1 Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Fresno Ca Posts: 256 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	pwnt. hey yeah... so wtf... when youj coming to teh spotzorz? __________________ +0 offset PWNS me

05-16-2005, 04:49 AM	#14
TurDz Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,618 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	dude that really sucks that you had to go through all that trouble. I like to cross reference statements with published data (or 100% trustworthy data) just for peace of mind, especially for a major suspension piece such as the cross member.

05-16-2005, 07:36 AM	#15
ryan hagen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: rhinelander wisconsin Age: 38 Posts: 1,465 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	"edit: ps- the reason why you cant see the difference is that its the towers for the motor mounts that are different, and those are very hard to see while the crossmember is bolted to the car." i got one of each on the floor but i never really looked that close to them. __________________ 1990 hatch ka24de gt2871r

05-16-2005, 08:03 AM	#16
chuy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Colorado some where Age: 44 Posts: 623 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I bent mine also when I got attacked from the curb but I still run the car I need to take it too an alignment shop though. __________________ Slide Happy

05-16-2005, 11:14 AM	#17
floodo1 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fresno, CA, USA Posts: 403 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ryan: yeah check them out you'll see how the there is basically a tower welded on to the suspension portion of the crosmmember, and how the towers are different height and different angle and how the s14 tower blends nicely into the 4 mounting holes where the s13 is more attached to the bottom. it will be easy to see in the pics i post later today. chuy: yeah you might want to fix that. for my curb sufring i went pretty sideways into the curb at idk 35mph. on mine it slotted the rear lca hole on the crossmember. and im talking about MAJOR slotting. its like over 2 holes wide back there. i'll try to get pics to show you! this is in addition to almost breaking the lca in 2 piece, in addition to ovaling the tension rod (where the liquid bushing goes in), in addition to bending the crossmember back, in addition to bending the tie-rod in both weak places (the narrow part by the threads and the narrow part at the joint at the rack)....yeah i think that covers all the jacked pieces. so yeah you prolly should take it apart and find out! its pretty damn easy to work on the front end of these cars! __________________ Buy the best, none other compares!

05-16-2005, 09:12 PM	#18
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 47 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	I have a 93, 95, and 97 crossmember all sitting in the shop. They're all identical as far as bolt spacing and mount fitment. As I said the line attachment points are different. That's it. I've put 13 racks into 14s, 14 racks into 13s, and one 14 crossmember into a 13. Now it's possible that the 89-90 member is different than the 91-94, but my information is still correct with respect to DOHC members. And of course the part numbers are different, the parts themselves are different (line attachment points, remember). You can also use S13 mounts on an S14 and vice versa, so how could the member be different? Your very best bet though to eleviate any future issues is to learn how to drive. Those of us with 13 years experience working on these cars and over 20 years driving experience can actually avoid hitting things. Just a thought. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

06-14-2007, 04:21 PM	#19
babowc Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: G.NET Posts: 2,659 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	^doesnt sohc and dohc share the same mm? they share the same block, so ^what you're saying^ doesnt hold up, about the difference in crossmemberse between the 89-90 and 91-98 and i realized this is an old ass thread just now. i apologize for digging. -_-;

06-14-2007, 04:42 PM	#20
DP_Michelle G Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Anaheim/OC Age: 38 Posts: 666 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^never question him at all __________________ BC RACING COILOVER REVIEW Last edited by DP_Michelle G; 06-14-2007 at 05:37 PM..

06-14-2007, 04:46 PM	#21
kouki_s14 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,550 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	lol i didnt look at the date

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