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blknismo180 · 08-05-2007, 06:05 PM

my first question is would it even fit????
i seen a Z motor but not the V8 nissa motor yet...
my second question is what shell would it be better for? S13 coupe/hatch or a the S14?

Unholy S14 · 08-05-2007, 06:08 PM

its been done so yes it fits.

I think the one i saw was in a s13.

BigVinnie · 08-18-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Unholy S14

its been done so yes it fits.

I think the one i saw was in a s13.

I'm going to clarify a little bit. The VK hasn't been done in the s13 chassis, and I know people are doing projects for it in the s14 chassis.
Here is a VK swap in a S14 chassis.
http://ffdet.com/members/rich/S14/V8swap.htm<<<Knives already posted on page 1.
You probably saw an older q45 engine VH41 or VH45 engine in a s13. The VH 45 engines barely fit into an s13. A 5.6litre VK engine has 98mm bore and a 92mm stroke. The old VH engines which barely fit into the s13 chassis had a 92mm bore and a 88mm stroke. That means that deck height on the the VK engine is also raised for it's larger stroke. This means that the hood clearance won't work well with the little s13 chassis. Now I've also been told that a VK is also taller than an LS1 and an LS1 has very similar stroke to the VK, LS-1 BORE and STROKE; 99mm bore and 92mm stroke.
The Formula Drift drop top 350 (Chris Foresburg) also uses the VK56 swap and it's pretty bad ass against ford mustangs and chevy corvette, I wouldn't mind seeing a 1/4mile time.
http://www.superstreetonline.com/fea...formula_d.html

blknismo180 · 08-05-2007, 06:11 PM

u wouldnt happen to have any pics of the TITAN 240?

Unholy S14 · 08-05-2007, 06:14 PM

honestly i dont, the thread i saw had pics and videos.

The Chad · 08-05-2007, 06:45 PM

If people are swapping Q45 motors and chevy small blocks into 240's, it is def possible...just goes to say, anything is possible with enough time and money.

ms!3 · 08-05-2007, 07:34 PM

its called a vk56

SexPanda · 08-05-2007, 07:40 PM

I believe the engine wouldnt fit, ive read about this. Its DOHC, as apposed to cam in block or anything. Its too wide, if i remember right.

And why do that? You can pick up a used chevy 350 for half the cost.

avs0730 · 08-05-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SexPanda

I believe the engine wouldnt fit, ive read about this. Its DOHC, as apposed to cam in block or anything. Its too wide, if i remember right.

And why do that? You can pick up a used chevy 350 for half the cost.

yes your right but have nissan with a nissan v8 and 32 valve is real nice.

SexPanda · 08-05-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by avs0730

yes your right but have nissan with a nissan v8 and 32 valve is real nice.

eh yeah. I do think its too wide though. I read somewhere about someone trying to do this and having to cut into the wheel wells or something. Im pretty sure its too wide.

dirtdiggler666 · 08-05-2007, 08:04 PM

ya its super super wide look at pics of chris forsburg's z and i swear it looks super tight and im sure the z's engine bay is bigger. and anyone know the lbs of that engine?? it looks heavy and huge

WilloW · 08-06-2007, 10:34 AM

Edit: ^^he beats me to it.

codyace · 08-06-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by avs0730

yes your right but have nissan with a nissan v8 and 32 valve is real nice.

But a Pushrod LS1 is nicer

I'm a Nissan guy at heart, but any v8 swap this side of a LS1 makes zero sense other than being different. The LS1 outpwoers them all, and it's modability is legendary. Heck, an LS2 makes even more sense, as it excepts all of the 6.2 heads/intake upgrades....you can do a stock LS2 bottom, with different GM heads/intake + aftermarket cam and easily make 500+ on engine.

ch1873857 · 08-06-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by codyace

But a Pushrod LS1 is nicer

I'm a Nissan guy at heart, but any v8 swap this side of a LS1 makes zero sense other than being different. The LS1 outpwoers them all, and it's modability is legendary. Heck, an LS2 makes even more sense, as it excepts all of the 6.2 heads/intake upgrades....you can do a stock LS2 bottom, with different GM heads/intake + aftermarket cam and easily make 500+ on engine.

fuck ls1s dude. i wouldnt go with the vk56 personally. but the VH45 fits quite nicely into an s chassis. its a flawless motor and can be had for cheap. and why automatic? simple adapter plate can be made to use a manual gearbox. and how cheap? the VH is an older motor also, so it can be found just as cheap as any other. i picked one up for $200 right in town.

rb25_s13*CHUKI · 08-13-2007, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SexPanda

I believe the engine wouldnt fit, ive read about this. Its DOHC, as apposed to cam in block or anything. Its too wide, if i remember right.

And why do that? You can pick up a used chevy 350 for half the cost.

You are right about half the cost but if ur gonna swap a v8 into a 240 might aswell keep it in tha family.

SexPanda · 08-05-2007, 08:12 PM

the KA24DE weighs something like 309 lbs with no accessories.
Ok, the VK56 weighs 90 lbs more than the VQ35... Cant find the weight of that though. I suck at searching.

scarecrow27 · 08-05-2007, 08:13 PM

ive seen it swapped into a 350z but not a 240

projectRDM · 08-05-2007, 09:12 PM

It fits, but the firewall needs to be cut to accept the Armada's huge automatic transmission. Long time 240 enthusiast Rich Bjornson is doing one, it's been a while since I've seen an update but he had most of the major fabwork already done at last check. Frame rails weren't touched.

GabeS14 · 08-06-2007, 02:34 AM

Theres a guy, that is always at the D1 events,(show part) he has a camo painted 180sx/240 with the nissan V8 in it.
he has a shop or something i lost his card.but i think they do custom builds

Kn1ves · 08-06-2007, 02:55 AM

http://www.ffdet.com/members/rich/S14/V8swap.htm

http://turbo-infiniti.org/viewtopic....7af198eeb73be9

Kaotik25 · 08-06-2007, 03:51 AM

yeah i knew you have to cut into the firewall. Still, it is something. That 240 is a beast.

jskateborders · 08-06-2007, 01:42 PM

Out of curiousity, is there a manual transmission that links to this, or only auto?

Kn1ves · 08-07-2007, 07:49 AM

compare the aftermarket support of the LS1 vs the VH45? I'll stick with the LS1 tyvm

you also have hood clearance issues with the vh45 if my memory serves me correctly

ch1873857 · 08-10-2007, 01:15 PM

if you know how to fabricate mounts the hood clears fine. fuck aftermarket support. get creative.

steve shadows · 08-10-2007, 03:21 PM

If i was that hard up for torque Id just do an rb25.

or you could build a 2.4 litre sr20det.

if you tell me that the ls1-2 swap is cheaper GFyourself.

because at the end of the day its a race car, whats another 3k into a motor if it was engineered for the chasis from the factory etc.

all this hacking of chasis is awesome, it makes me sad sometimes but hey fuck the chasis and fuck nissan.

Because all the people hacking chasis and fucking mig welding shit together ( not all of you are tig ) have done CAD and maybe run your

moutning and modifications by a Nissan Engineer or a PHD in mechanical engineering at least...

I dont understand why people just dont weld a cage into a fox body and drift that, or a camaro or any other american chasis that accepts a V8.

I just dont get it. Learn how to drift a car with low torque output, dont use a v8 to make up for it.

ch1873857 · 08-10-2007, 03:42 PM

i think you missed the point but thats ok. whats with all the mig, tig shit? i live by the torch but mig is best in some case. you make no sense to me guy..

codyace · 08-10-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ch1873857

fuck ls1s dude. i wouldnt go with the vk56 personally. but the VH45 fits quite nicely into an s chassis. its a flawless motor and can be had for cheap.

F LSx engines? Im' a diehard Ford guy, but EVEN I ADMIT how great the LSX engine series is. Even in STOCK form, you're looking at a 300whp/300wtrq car...unbelieable! Stick a cam in it, intake, tune, exhaust...and you've got the easiest, most reliable 400-450 whp car ever. Throw some heads on it, 500 whp....or get creative with 383 power.

Did I mention a properly tuned 400 whp LS1 can get in the 22-23 mpg range too? Some broke kids aren't getting that with 220 whp SR20's.

You'll never ever ever convince me of a v8 swap that makes more sense than an LSX based engine. It makes more power than any Nissan swap stock, it weighs less than the sr20, makes the most HP/TRQ per dollar, and can run good old pump gas even with FI power into the 600/700 range. Sick. Oh yea, spin them to 8000 rpm all day.

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Originally Posted by ch1873857

d just as cheap as any other. i picked one up for $200 right in town.

Cheap never ever ever equals better.

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Originally Posted by ch1873857

if you know how to fabricate mounts the hood clears fine. fuck aftermarket support. get creative.

Not everyone has fab shop capability or similar in house. Think of the masses, and not the lucky. I'd die without my dad owning a shop and having good tools.

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Originally Posted by steve shadows

If i was that hard up for torque Id just do an rb25.

V8 torque > I6

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Originally Posted by steve shadows

if you tell me that the ls1-2 swap is cheaper GFyourself.

Depends on the power level. I think if you're looking for the most reliable 400-500 hp setup, you can't beat an LS1 swap. If I did more research, I'd have one in my car

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Originally Posted by steve shadows

because at the end of the day its a race car, whats another 3k into a motor if it was engineered for the chasis from the factory etc.

Pastor Shadows speaks the muggafuggin truf....but remember LS1+T56 weighs less than an SR and tranny

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Originally Posted by steve shadows

I dont understand why people just dont weld a cage into a fox body and drift that, or a camaro or any other american chasis that accepts a V8.

With the amount of suspension support for Fox chassis stangs, it has always made me wonder why they don't get used more often.

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Originally Posted by ch1873857

i think you missed the point but thats ok. whats with all the mig, tig shit? i live by the torch but mig is best in some case. you make no sense to me guy..

(This is purely an assumption based on my experiences)I can tell by that statement that you're a hack. Who f-in torch welds anymore?!?! Especially when you can get a little 180 Miller for DIRT cheap.

delphis · 08-12-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by codyace

It makes more power than any Nissan swap stock, it weighs less than the sr20,

It weighs less than the KA not the sr.

ch1873857 · 08-10-2007, 05:57 PM

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F LSx engines? Im' a diehard Ford guy, but EVEN I ADMIT how great the LSX engine series is. Even in STOCK form, you're looking at a 300whp/300wtrq car...unbelieable! Stick a cam in it, intake, tune, exhaust...and you've got the easiest, most reliable 400-450 whp car ever. Throw some heads on it, 500 whp....or get creative with 383 power.

Did I mention a properly tuned 400 whp LS1 can get in the 22-23 mpg range too? Some broke kids aren't getting that with 220 whp SR20's.

You'll never ever ever convince me of a v8 swap that makes more sense than an LSX based engine. It makes more power than any Nissan swap stock, it weighs less than the sr20, makes the most HP/TRQ per dollar, and can run good old pump gas even with FI power into the 600/700 range. Sick. Oh yea, spin them to 8000 rpm all day.

to each his own. a vh in its stock form matches or beats an ls1.. so no it does not make more power than the VH stock. the estimated HP ratings for the motor are without VTC. since when are LS1s cheap? ive never doubted the ls1. id do if it nissan didnt make a superior V8 to the ls1 (stock) and i do agree that the ls1 is cheap but you are talking big money for a swap. all i was trying to say is that a vh swap can be had for much cheaper. also have a hard time believing an 8 cylinder aluminum engine is lighter than a 4 cylinder aluminum engine...

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Cheap never ever ever equals better.

why spend a few grand on a motor when you can spend a few hundred on a motor and build the shit out of it for the same price? eh? thats just me.

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Not everyone has fab shop capability or similar in house. Think of the masses, and not the lucky. I'd die without my dad owning a shop and having good tools.

theres a guy on here that just did a vh swap. he made his motor mounts using a shitty flux core welder. fit just fine, just use your head.

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This is purely an assumption based on my experiences)I can tell by that statement that you're a hack. Who f-in torch welds anymore?!?! Especially when you can get a little 180 Miller for DIRT cheap.

a hack eh? well, dont know about you but i use a torch EVERY time i TIG weld. idiot. yeah..you know what your talking about.

mRclARK1 · 08-10-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by: codyace
....but remember LS1+T56 weighs less than an SR and tranny

I don't know how you figure that. LS1 crate motor weight is 390lbs. + T56 tranny (courtesy of google at 120ish depending on exact model) comes out to 510lbs. IIRC SR+tranny is about 480ish.

I'm NOT saying that the extra 30 lbs of that combo nullifies it's obvious power advantages over the SR, both taken in stock form.

08-05-2007, 06:05 PM	#1
blknismo180 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: riverside Posts: 39 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Titan V8 in a 240 my first question is would it even fit???? i seen a Z motor but not the V8 nissa motor yet... my second question is what shell would it be better for? S13 coupe/hatch or a the S14?

08-05-2007, 06:08 PM	#2
Unholy S14 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Akina of Erie Pa Age: 34 Posts: 1,965 Trader Rating: (-3) Feedback Score: -3 reviews	its been done so yes it fits. I think the one i saw was in a s13. __________________ parting out dark blue 89 hatch, PM me if you need anything.

08-05-2007, 06:14 PM	#5
Unholy S14 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Akina of Erie Pa Age: 34 Posts: 1,965 Trader Rating: (-3) Feedback Score: -3 reviews	honestly i dont, the thread i saw had pics and videos. __________________ parting out dark blue 89 hatch, PM me if you need anything.

08-05-2007, 07:40 PM	#8
SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I believe the engine wouldnt fit, ive read about this. Its DOHC, as apposed to cam in block or anything. Its too wide, if i remember right. And why do that? You can pick up a used chevy 350 for half the cost. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

08-05-2007, 08:04 PM	#11
dirtdiggler666 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: p-dale Age: 41 Posts: 2,113 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	ya its super super wide look at pics of chris forsburg's z and i swear it looks super tight and im sure the z's engine bay is bigger. and anyone know the lbs of that engine?? it looks heavy and huge __________________

08-05-2007, 06:11 PM	#4
blknismo180 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: riverside Posts: 39 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	u wouldnt happen to have any pics of the TITAN 240?

08-05-2007, 06:45 PM	#6
The Chad Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 40 Posts: 943 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If people are swapping Q45 motors and chevy small blocks into 240's, it is def possible...just goes to say, anything is possible with enough time and money.

08-05-2007, 07:34 PM	#7
ms!3 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	its called a vk56

08-06-2007, 10:34 AM	#12
WilloW Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: * ** Posts: 1,529 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Edit: ^^he beats me to it. __________________

08-05-2007, 08:12 PM	#16
SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the KA24DE weighs something like 309 lbs with no accessories. Ok, the VK56 weighs 90 lbs more than the VQ35... Cant find the weight of that though. I suck at searching. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

08-05-2007, 08:13 PM	#17
scarecrow27 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York Posts: 121 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ive seen it swapped into a 350z but not a 240

08-05-2007, 09:12 PM	#18
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 47 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	It fits, but the firewall needs to be cut to accept the Armada's huge automatic transmission. Long time 240 enthusiast Rich Bjornson is doing one, it's been a while since I've seen an update but he had most of the major fabwork already done at last check. Frame rails weren't touched. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

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GabeS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sin City Las Vegas Posts: 4,521 Trader Rating: (27) Rides Gallery: GabeS14 Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Theres a guy, that is always at the D1 events,(show part) he has a camo painted 180sx/240 with the nissan V8 in it. he has a shop or something i lost his card.but i think they do custom builds __________________ E92 M3 19" wheels for sale///JWT Cams and Springs +30whp for sale... cheap.

08-06-2007, 02:55 AM	#20
Kn1ves Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ɐɔ 'sǝlǝƃuɐ sol Posts: 1,281 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Kn1ves Feedback Score: 0 reviews	http://www.ffdet.com/members/rich/S14/V8swap.htm http://turbo-infiniti.org/viewtopic....7af198eeb73be9 __________________ there's something here

08-06-2007, 03:51 AM	#21
Kaotik25 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: SoCal Age: 36 Posts: 332 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah i knew you have to cut into the firewall. Still, it is something. That 240 is a beast.

08-06-2007, 01:42 PM	#22
jskateborders Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Age: 32 Posts: 1,258 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Out of curiousity, is there a manual transmission that links to this, or only auto?

08-07-2007, 07:49 AM	#23
Kn1ves Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ɐɔ 'sǝlǝƃuɐ sol Posts: 1,281 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Kn1ves Feedback Score: 0 reviews	compare the aftermarket support of the LS1 vs the VH45? I'll stick with the LS1 tyvm you also have hood clearance issues with the vh45 if my memory serves me correctly __________________ there's something here

08-10-2007, 01:15 PM	#24
ch1873857 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Andrews Air Force Base Posts: 1,905 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	if you know how to fabricate mounts the hood clears fine. fuck aftermarket support. get creative.

08-10-2007, 03:21 PM	#25
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	If i was that hard up for torque Id just do an rb25. or you could build a 2.4 litre sr20det. if you tell me that the ls1-2 swap is cheaper GFyourself. because at the end of the day its a race car, whats another 3k into a motor if it was engineered for the chasis from the factory etc. all this hacking of chasis is awesome, it makes me sad sometimes but hey fuck the chasis and fuck nissan. Because all the people hacking chasis and fucking mig welding shit together ( not all of you are tig ) have done CAD and maybe run your moutning and modifications by a Nissan Engineer or a PHD in mechanical engineering at least... I dont understand why people just dont weld a cage into a fox body and drift that, or a camaro or any other american chasis that accepts a V8. I just dont get it. Learn how to drift a car with low torque output, dont use a v8 to make up for it. __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

08-10-2007, 03:42 PM	#26
ch1873857 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Andrews Air Force Base Posts: 1,905 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	i think you missed the point but thats ok. whats with all the mig, tig shit? i live by the torch but mig is best in some case. you make no sense to me guy..

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