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Old 08-05-2007, 06:05 PM   #1
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Red face Titan V8 in a 240

my first question is would it even fit????
i seen a Z motor but not the V8 nissa motor yet...
my second question is what shell would it be better for? S13 coupe/hatch or a the S14?
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Old 08-05-2007, 06:08 PM   #2
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its been done so yes it fits.

I think the one i saw was in a s13.
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Old 08-18-2007, 11:13 AM   #3
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its been done so yes it fits.

I think the one i saw was in a s13.
I'm going to clarify a little bit. The VK hasn't been done in the s13 chassis, and I know people are doing projects for it in the s14 chassis.
Here is a VK swap in a S14 chassis.
http://ffdet.com/members/rich/S14/V8swap.htm<<<Knives already posted on page 1.
You probably saw an older q45 engine VH41 or VH45 engine in a s13. The VH 45 engines barely fit into an s13. A 5.6litre VK engine has 98mm bore and a 92mm stroke. The old VH engines which barely fit into the s13 chassis had a 92mm bore and a 88mm stroke. That means that deck height on the the VK engine is also raised for it's larger stroke. This means that the hood clearance won't work well with the little s13 chassis. Now I've also been told that a VK is also taller than an LS1 and an LS1 has very similar stroke to the VK, LS-1 BORE and STROKE; 99mm bore and 92mm stroke.
The Formula Drift drop top 350 (Chris Foresburg) also uses the VK56 swap and it's pretty bad ass against ford mustangs and chevy corvette, I wouldn't mind seeing a 1/4mile time.
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u wouldnt happen to have any pics of the TITAN 240?
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honestly i dont, the thread i saw had pics and videos.
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If people are swapping Q45 motors and chevy small blocks into 240's, it is def possible...just goes to say, anything is possible with enough time and money.
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its called a vk56
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I believe the engine wouldnt fit, ive read about this. Its DOHC, as apposed to cam in block or anything. Its too wide, if i remember right.

And why do that? You can pick up a used chevy 350 for half the cost.
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I believe the engine wouldnt fit, ive read about this. Its DOHC, as apposed to cam in block or anything. Its too wide, if i remember right.

And why do that? You can pick up a used chevy 350 for half the cost.
yes your right but have nissan with a nissan v8 and 32 valve is real nice.
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yes your right but have nissan with a nissan v8 and 32 valve is real nice.
eh yeah. I do think its too wide though. I read somewhere about someone trying to do this and having to cut into the wheel wells or something. Im pretty sure its too wide.
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ya its super super wide look at pics of chris forsburg's z and i swear it looks super tight and im sure the z's engine bay is bigger. and anyone know the lbs of that engine?? it looks heavy and huge
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yes your right but have nissan with a nissan v8 and 32 valve is real nice.
But a Pushrod LS1 is nicer



I'm a Nissan guy at heart, but any v8 swap this side of a LS1 makes zero sense other than being different. The LS1 outpwoers them all, and it's modability is legendary. Heck, an LS2 makes even more sense, as it excepts all of the 6.2 heads/intake upgrades....you can do a stock LS2 bottom, with different GM heads/intake + aftermarket cam and easily make 500+ on engine.
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But a Pushrod LS1 is nicer



I'm a Nissan guy at heart, but any v8 swap this side of a LS1 makes zero sense other than being different. The LS1 outpwoers them all, and it's modability is legendary. Heck, an LS2 makes even more sense, as it excepts all of the 6.2 heads/intake upgrades....you can do a stock LS2 bottom, with different GM heads/intake + aftermarket cam and easily make 500+ on engine.
fuck ls1s dude. i wouldnt go with the vk56 personally. but the VH45 fits quite nicely into an s chassis. its a flawless motor and can be had for cheap. and why automatic? simple adapter plate can be made to use a manual gearbox. and how cheap? the VH is an older motor also, so it can be found just as cheap as any other. i picked one up for $200 right in town.
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I believe the engine wouldnt fit, ive read about this. Its DOHC, as apposed to cam in block or anything. Its too wide, if i remember right.

And why do that? You can pick up a used chevy 350 for half the cost.
You are right about half the cost but if ur gonna swap a v8 into a 240 might aswell keep it in tha family.
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the KA24DE weighs something like 309 lbs with no accessories.
Ok, the VK56 weighs 90 lbs more than the VQ35... Cant find the weight of that though. I suck at searching.
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ive seen it swapped into a 350z but not a 240
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It fits, but the firewall needs to be cut to accept the Armada's huge automatic transmission. Long time 240 enthusiast Rich Bjornson is doing one, it's been a while since I've seen an update but he had most of the major fabwork already done at last check. Frame rails weren't touched.
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Theres a guy, that is always at the D1 events,(show part) he has a camo painted 180sx/240 with the nissan V8 in it.
he has a shop or something i lost his card.but i think they do custom builds
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yeah i knew you have to cut into the firewall. Still, it is something. That 240 is a beast.
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Out of curiousity, is there a manual transmission that links to this, or only auto?
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compare the aftermarket support of the LS1 vs the VH45? I'll stick with the LS1 tyvm

you also have hood clearance issues with the vh45 if my memory serves me correctly
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if you know how to fabricate mounts the hood clears fine. fuck aftermarket support. get creative.
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If i was that hard up for torque Id just do an rb25.


or you could build a 2.4 litre sr20det.


if you tell me that the ls1-2 swap is cheaper GFyourself.

because at the end of the day its a race car, whats another 3k into a motor if it was engineered for the chasis from the factory etc.

all this hacking of chasis is awesome, it makes me sad sometimes but hey fuck the chasis and fuck nissan.

Because all the people hacking chasis and fucking mig welding shit together ( not all of you are tig ) have done CAD and maybe run your

moutning and modifications by a Nissan Engineer or a PHD in mechanical engineering at least...

I dont understand why people just dont weld a cage into a fox body and drift that, or a camaro or any other american chasis that accepts a V8.

I just dont get it. Learn how to drift a car with low torque output, dont use a v8 to make up for it.
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i think you missed the point but thats ok. whats with all the mig, tig shit? i live by the torch but mig is best in some case. you make no sense to me guy..
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fuck ls1s dude. i wouldnt go with the vk56 personally. but the VH45 fits quite nicely into an s chassis. its a flawless motor and can be had for cheap.
F LSx engines? Im' a diehard Ford guy, but EVEN I ADMIT how great the LSX engine series is. Even in STOCK form, you're looking at a 300whp/300wtrq car...unbelieable! Stick a cam in it, intake, tune, exhaust...and you've got the easiest, most reliable 400-450 whp car ever. Throw some heads on it, 500 whp....or get creative with 383 power.

Did I mention a properly tuned 400 whp LS1 can get in the 22-23 mpg range too? Some broke kids aren't getting that with 220 whp SR20's.

You'll never ever ever convince me of a v8 swap that makes more sense than an LSX based engine. It makes more power than any Nissan swap stock, it weighs less than the sr20, makes the most HP/TRQ per dollar, and can run good old pump gas even with FI power into the 600/700 range. Sick. Oh yea, spin them to 8000 rpm all day.

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d just as cheap as any other. i picked one up for $200 right in town.
Cheap never ever ever equals better.

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if you know how to fabricate mounts the hood clears fine. fuck aftermarket support. get creative.
Not everyone has fab shop capability or similar in house. Think of the masses, and not the lucky. I'd die without my dad owning a shop and having good tools.

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If i was that hard up for torque Id just do an rb25.
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if you tell me that the ls1-2 swap is cheaper GFyourself.
Depends on the power level. I think if you're looking for the most reliable 400-500 hp setup, you can't beat an LS1 swap. If I did more research, I'd have one in my car

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because at the end of the day its a race car, whats another 3k into a motor if it was engineered for the chasis from the factory etc.
Pastor Shadows speaks the muggafuggin truf....but remember LS1+T56 weighs less than an SR and tranny

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I dont understand why people just dont weld a cage into a fox body and drift that, or a camaro or any other american chasis that accepts a V8.
With the amount of suspension support for Fox chassis stangs, it has always made me wonder why they don't get used more often.

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i think you missed the point but thats ok. whats with all the mig, tig shit? i live by the torch but mig is best in some case. you make no sense to me guy..
(This is purely an assumption based on my experiences)I can tell by that statement that you're a hack. Who f-in torch welds anymore?!?! Especially when you can get a little 180 Miller for DIRT cheap.
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It makes more power than any Nissan swap stock, it weighs less than the sr20,
It weighs less than the KA not the sr.
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Old 08-10-2007, 05:57 PM   #29
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F LSx engines? Im' a diehard Ford guy, but EVEN I ADMIT how great the LSX engine series is. Even in STOCK form, you're looking at a 300whp/300wtrq car...unbelieable! Stick a cam in it, intake, tune, exhaust...and you've got the easiest, most reliable 400-450 whp car ever. Throw some heads on it, 500 whp....or get creative with 383 power.

Did I mention a properly tuned 400 whp LS1 can get in the 22-23 mpg range too? Some broke kids aren't getting that with 220 whp SR20's.

You'll never ever ever convince me of a v8 swap that makes more sense than an LSX based engine. It makes more power than any Nissan swap stock, it weighs less than the sr20, makes the most HP/TRQ per dollar, and can run good old pump gas even with FI power into the 600/700 range. Sick. Oh yea, spin them to 8000 rpm all day.
to each his own. a vh in its stock form matches or beats an ls1.. so no it does not make more power than the VH stock. the estimated HP ratings for the motor are without VTC. since when are LS1s cheap? ive never doubted the ls1. id do if it nissan didnt make a superior V8 to the ls1 (stock) and i do agree that the ls1 is cheap but you are talking big money for a swap. all i was trying to say is that a vh swap can be had for much cheaper. also have a hard time believing an 8 cylinder aluminum engine is lighter than a 4 cylinder aluminum engine...

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Cheap never ever ever equals better.
why spend a few grand on a motor when you can spend a few hundred on a motor and build the shit out of it for the same price? eh? thats just me.

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Not everyone has fab shop capability or similar in house. Think of the masses, and not the lucky. I'd die without my dad owning a shop and having good tools.
theres a guy on here that just did a vh swap. he made his motor mounts using a shitty flux core welder. fit just fine, just use your head.

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This is purely an assumption based on my experiences)I can tell by that statement that you're a hack. Who f-in torch welds anymore?!?! Especially when you can get a little 180 Miller for DIRT cheap.
a hack eh? well, dont know about you but i use a torch EVERY time i TIG weld. idiot. yeah..you know what your talking about.
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Originally posted by: codyace
....but remember LS1+T56 weighs less than an SR and tranny
I don't know how you figure that. LS1 crate motor weight is 390lbs. + T56 tranny (courtesy of google at 120ish depending on exact model) comes out to 510lbs. IIRC SR+tranny is about 480ish.

I'm NOT saying that the extra 30 lbs of that combo nullifies it's obvious power advantages over the SR, both taken in stock form.
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