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blknismo180 08-05-2007 06:05 PM

Titan V8 in a 240
 
my first question is would it even fit????
i seen a Z motor but not the V8 nissa motor yet...
my second question is what shell would it be better for? S13 coupe/hatch or a the S14? :loco:

Unholy S14 08-05-2007 06:08 PM

its been done so yes it fits.

I think the one i saw was in a s13.

blknismo180 08-05-2007 06:11 PM

u wouldnt happen to have any pics of the TITAN 240?

Unholy S14 08-05-2007 06:14 PM

honestly i dont, the thread i saw had pics and videos.

The Chad 08-05-2007 06:45 PM

If people are swapping Q45 motors and chevy small blocks into 240's, it is def possible...just goes to say, anything is possible with enough time and money. :)

ms!3 08-05-2007 07:34 PM

its called a vk56

SexPanda 08-05-2007 07:40 PM

I believe the engine wouldnt fit, ive read about this. Its DOHC, as apposed to cam in block or anything. Its too wide, if i remember right.

And why do that? You can pick up a used chevy 350 for half the cost.

avs0730 08-05-2007 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SexPanda (Post 1489759)
I believe the engine wouldnt fit, ive read about this. Its DOHC, as apposed to cam in block or anything. Its too wide, if i remember right.

And why do that? You can pick up a used chevy 350 for half the cost.

yes your right but have nissan with a nissan v8 and 32 valve is real nice.

SexPanda 08-05-2007 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by avs0730 (Post 1489771)
yes your right but have nissan with a nissan v8 and 32 valve is real nice.

eh yeah. I do think its too wide though. I read somewhere about someone trying to do this and having to cut into the wheel wells or something. Im pretty sure its too wide.

dirtdiggler666 08-05-2007 08:04 PM

ya its super super wide look at pics of chris forsburg's z and i swear it looks super tight and im sure the z's engine bay is bigger. and anyone know the lbs of that engine?? it looks heavy and huge

SexPanda 08-05-2007 08:12 PM

the KA24DE weighs something like 309 lbs with no accessories.
Ok, the VK56 weighs 90 lbs more than the VQ35... Cant find the weight of that though. I suck at searching.

scarecrow27 08-05-2007 08:13 PM

ive seen it swapped into a 350z but not a 240

projectRDM 08-05-2007 09:12 PM

It fits, but the firewall needs to be cut to accept the Armada's huge automatic transmission. Long time 240 enthusiast Rich Bjornson is doing one, it's been a while since I've seen an update but he had most of the major fabwork already done at last check. Frame rails weren't touched.

GabeS14 08-06-2007 02:34 AM

Theres a guy, that is always at the D1 events,(show part) he has a camo painted 180sx/240 with the nissan V8 in it.
he has a shop or something i lost his card.but i think they do custom builds

Kn1ves 08-06-2007 02:55 AM

http://www.ffdet.com/members/rich/S14/V8swap.htm

http://turbo-infiniti.org/viewtopic....7af198eeb73be9

http://www.turbo-infiniti.org/galler..._fit_240sx.jpg

http://www.turbo-infiniti.org/galler...ans_tunnel.jpg

Kaotik25 08-06-2007 03:51 AM

yeah i knew you have to cut into the firewall. Still, it is something. That 240 is a beast.

WilloW 08-06-2007 10:34 AM

Edit: ^^he beats me to it.

codyace 08-06-2007 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by avs0730 (Post 1489771)
yes your right but have nissan with a nissan v8 and 32 valve is real nice.

But a Pushrod LS1 is nicer



I'm a Nissan guy at heart, but any v8 swap this side of a LS1 makes zero sense other than being different. The LS1 outpwoers them all, and it's modability is legendary. Heck, an LS2 makes even more sense, as it excepts all of the 6.2 heads/intake upgrades....you can do a stock LS2 bottom, with different GM heads/intake + aftermarket cam and easily make 500+ on engine.

jskateborders 08-06-2007 01:42 PM

Out of curiousity, is there a manual transmission that links to this, or only auto?

ch1873857 08-06-2007 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by codyace (Post 1490546)
But a Pushrod LS1 is nicer



I'm a Nissan guy at heart, but any v8 swap this side of a LS1 makes zero sense other than being different. The LS1 outpwoers them all, and it's modability is legendary. Heck, an LS2 makes even more sense, as it excepts all of the 6.2 heads/intake upgrades....you can do a stock LS2 bottom, with different GM heads/intake + aftermarket cam and easily make 500+ on engine.

:jerkit: fuck ls1s dude. i wouldnt go with the vk56 personally. but the VH45 fits quite nicely into an s chassis. its a flawless motor and can be had for cheap. and why automatic? simple adapter plate can be made to use a manual gearbox. and how cheap? the VH is an older motor also, so it can be found just as cheap as any other. i picked one up for $200 right in town.

Kn1ves 08-07-2007 07:49 AM

compare the aftermarket support of the LS1 vs the VH45? I'll stick with the LS1 tyvm

you also have hood clearance issues with the vh45 if my memory serves me correctly

ch1873857 08-10-2007 01:15 PM

if you know how to fabricate mounts the hood clears fine. fuck aftermarket support. get creative.

steve shadows 08-10-2007 03:21 PM

If i was that hard up for torque Id just do an rb25.


or you could build a 2.4 litre sr20det.


if you tell me that the ls1-2 swap is cheaper GFyourself.

because at the end of the day its a race car, whats another 3k into a motor if it was engineered for the chasis from the factory etc.

all this hacking of chasis is awesome, it makes me sad sometimes but hey fuck the chasis and fuck nissan.

Because all the people hacking chasis and fucking mig welding shit together ( not all of you are tig ) have done CAD and maybe run your

moutning and modifications by a Nissan Engineer or a PHD in mechanical engineering at least...

I dont understand why people just dont weld a cage into a fox body and drift that, or a camaro or any other american chasis that accepts a V8.

I just dont get it. Learn how to drift a car with low torque output, dont use a v8 to make up for it.

ch1873857 08-10-2007 03:42 PM

i think you missed the point but thats ok. whats with all the mig, tig shit? i live by the torch but mig is best in some case. you make no sense to me guy..

codyace 08-10-2007 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ch1873857 (Post 1490783)
:jerkit: fuck ls1s dude. i wouldnt go with the vk56 personally. but the VH45 fits quite nicely into an s chassis. its a flawless motor and can be had for cheap.

F LSx engines? Im' a diehard Ford guy, but EVEN I ADMIT how great the LSX engine series is. Even in STOCK form, you're looking at a 300whp/300wtrq car...unbelieable! Stick a cam in it, intake, tune, exhaust...and you've got the easiest, most reliable 400-450 whp car ever. Throw some heads on it, 500 whp....or get creative with 383 power.

Did I mention a properly tuned 400 whp LS1 can get in the 22-23 mpg range too? Some broke kids aren't getting that with 220 whp SR20's.

You'll never ever ever convince me of a v8 swap that makes more sense than an LSX based engine. It makes more power than any Nissan swap stock, it weighs less than the sr20, makes the most HP/TRQ per dollar, and can run good old pump gas even with FI power into the 600/700 range. Sick. Oh yea, spin them to 8000 rpm all day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ch1873857 (Post 1490783)
d just as cheap as any other. i picked one up for $200 right in town.

Cheap never ever ever equals better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ch1873857 (Post 1497010)
if you know how to fabricate mounts the hood clears fine. fuck aftermarket support. get creative.

Not everyone has fab shop capability or similar in house. Think of the masses, and not the lucky. I'd die without my dad owning a shop and having good tools.

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows (Post 1497180)
If i was that hard up for torque Id just do an rb25.

V8 torque > I6


Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows (Post 1497180)
if you tell me that the ls1-2 swap is cheaper GFyourself.

Depends on the power level. I think if you're looking for the most reliable 400-500 hp setup, you can't beat an LS1 swap. If I did more research, I'd have one in my car :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows (Post 1497180)
because at the end of the day its a race car, whats another 3k into a motor if it was engineered for the chasis from the factory etc.

Pastor Shadows speaks the muggafuggin truf....but remember LS1+T56 weighs less than an SR and tranny :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows (Post 1497180)
I dont understand why people just dont weld a cage into a fox body and drift that, or a camaro or any other american chasis that accepts a V8.

With the amount of suspension support for Fox chassis stangs, it has always made me wonder why they don't get used more often.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ch1873857 (Post 1497215)
i think you missed the point but thats ok. whats with all the mig, tig shit? i live by the torch but mig is best in some case. you make no sense to me guy..

(This is purely an assumption based on my experiences)I can tell by that statement that you're a hack. Who f-in torch welds anymore?!?! Especially when you can get a little 180 Miller for DIRT cheap.

ch1873857 08-10-2007 05:57 PM

Quote:

F LSx engines? Im' a diehard Ford guy, but EVEN I ADMIT how great the LSX engine series is. Even in STOCK form, you're looking at a 300whp/300wtrq car...unbelieable! Stick a cam in it, intake, tune, exhaust...and you've got the easiest, most reliable 400-450 whp car ever. Throw some heads on it, 500 whp....or get creative with 383 power.

Did I mention a properly tuned 400 whp LS1 can get in the 22-23 mpg range too? Some broke kids aren't getting that with 220 whp SR20's.

You'll never ever ever convince me of a v8 swap that makes more sense than an LSX based engine. It makes more power than any Nissan swap stock, it weighs less than the sr20, makes the most HP/TRQ per dollar, and can run good old pump gas even with FI power into the 600/700 range. Sick. Oh yea, spin them to 8000 rpm all day.
to each his own. a vh in its stock form matches or beats an ls1.. so no it does not make more power than the VH stock. the estimated HP ratings for the motor are without VTC. since when are LS1s cheap? ive never doubted the ls1. id do if it nissan didnt make a superior V8 to the ls1 (stock) and i do agree that the ls1 is cheap but you are talking big money for a swap. all i was trying to say is that a vh swap can be had for much cheaper. also have a hard time believing an 8 cylinder aluminum engine is lighter than a 4 cylinder aluminum engine...

Quote:

Cheap never ever ever equals better.
why spend a few grand on a motor when you can spend a few hundred on a motor and build the shit out of it for the same price? eh? thats just me.

Quote:

Not everyone has fab shop capability or similar in house. Think of the masses, and not the lucky. I'd die without my dad owning a shop and having good tools.
theres a guy on here that just did a vh swap. he made his motor mounts using a shitty flux core welder. fit just fine, just use your head.

Quote:

This is purely an assumption based on my experiences)I can tell by that statement that you're a hack. Who f-in torch welds anymore?!?! Especially when you can get a little 180 Miller for DIRT cheap.
a hack eh? well, dont know about you but i use a torch EVERY time i TIG weld. idiot. yeah..you know what your talking about.

mRclARK1 08-10-2007 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by: codyace
....but remember LS1+T56 weighs less than an SR and tranny
I don't know how you figure that. LS1 crate motor weight is 390lbs. + T56 tranny (courtesy of google at 120ish depending on exact model) comes out to 510lbs. IIRC SR+tranny is about 480ish.

I'm NOT saying that the extra 30 lbs of that combo nullifies it's obvious power advantages over the SR, both taken in stock form.

Otis Performance 08-10-2007 07:31 PM

do the ls1 s13..

you can find a ls1 fullswap on craigslist for cheap. and use the r33 xmember and custom drive shalf.

if your going to drift with the ls1 you should get a aftermarket oil pan..

trust187 08-10-2007 09:29 PM

I don't know about you guys but 317 hp and 385 lbs of torque from the vk56 is pretty impressive to me . They even have 700hp titans out there in N/A form so I believe the vk can compete.

mmdb 08-10-2007 10:46 PM

Ls1. Simple. Effective. Great product support. Bullet proof 6 speed transmission (virtually serviceable anywhere and can be found BRAND NEW). Unlimited power potential (common for supercharged v8s to pull 600+ hp). Aluminum block. No cutting of firewall. Usage of stock computer. More than enough power stock (315+ hp/tq). Add a cam, tune, and 400 w/hp. More torque you know what to do with STOCK.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...p/IMG_5021.jpg


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