[EXHAUST] Still can't find what i like - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

Kreator · 07-01-2002, 11:25 AM

After looking at mostly every exhaust system out there for my car (97 240sx) I didn't find a single one that i liked. Mostly because of the muffler tips. So i decided to do custom piping and get a muffler that i like welded on (good thing there isn't a lack of variations in mufflers). However, since i plan on turboing the car in the spring, my choices are quite limited. Either a 2.5" mandrel bent piping or 3" crush bent piping. After visiting several muffler shops around my place, I found out that a. they can't do more than 2.5" crush bent on my car (2 90 degree bends near the muffler) and b. they have no idea who does custom mandrel bent. So my questions:

a. Does anyone know of a shop in DC/MD/VA area that could make 3" crushed or 2.5" mandrel?
b. Does anyone know of a company on the internet that could make this?
c. What are the cheapest 2.5" and 3.0" exhausts for our cars? (The idea here is to buy it, cut off the muffler and weld my own..)

Thanx

*sykikchimp* · 07-01-2002, 11:31 AM

what exhausts have you looked at that you don't like?  and what muffler do you like?  maybe we can help look around for something that would suit you better?

Kreator · 07-01-2002, 11:41 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ July 01 2002,12:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what exhausts have you looked at that you don't like? and what muffler do you like? maybe we can help look around for something that would suit you better?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah sure. What i don't like are the big tips. Basicly the 5zigen fireball tip is probably the only one that is small enough for me. But honestly i don't like the look of single tiped mufflers on a stock s14 bumper. So i'm looking for something that would resemble a stock 240sx muffler but probably with 2 tips around 2.5"... ok here are the mufflers that i'm thinking about:

in case 2.5" mandrel bent piping:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot....0552771

and in case 3" crush bent:
http://magnaflow.com/03cat-back/xltu...rbomuffler.htm
(under the 4X9 XL Turbo Universal Oval Body the Single/Dual muffler, Part #13288)

240 2NR · 07-01-2002, 11:47 AM

Why not a Apex'i N1 Dual or the Trust DD?  The DD would be really loud, but tolerable if you had a turbo.  The N1 dual is just a cool exhaust and I sometimes regret not getting it myself.

adey · 07-01-2002, 12:22 PM

I agree; though I'm not in the market for exhaust yet, I have been looking for something with a smaller tip than what's generally found on the market these days. I simply do not see the need for a 12cm tip. For me 100mm is pushing it, whereas a single 80mm would be perfect.

edit: I remember HKS making some conservative looking double-tipped exhaust/mufflers. Try checking them out! http://www.hksusa.com/ (I think)

Kreator · 07-01-2002, 12:41 PM

240 2NR:
The Apexi dual has 2 3.5" tips separated by hell of alot free space. For me it just seems unproportionally big for hte car. That's total of 7" compared to 3" that your piping is. Basic;u a single 3.5" will provide more than enough flow. And it's slanted (another thing i don't like, and another thing that made me crossoff the 5zigen fierball off the list). Trust DD (if i'm not mistaken) is 3.5" dual too but w/o the slant. That is better, but i'm yet to see one on an s14 (anyone got pics?).

Adey:
Thanx, but the only dual tipped system available for our cars is Sport system w/ 2 65mm tips. That would be awesome, but unfortunately they only make it for s13s

gh6o6 · 07-01-2002, 01:18 PM

hers my opinion:
1.  Dont get a crushed bent piping - it will create turbulance in the flow as well as it will only be as good as the size of the turn (that could be as little as 2"-2.5" space  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> )
2. I know its your preference and i respect that but I think you should be looking more for the sound that the size of the tip if you find one with a nice sound, you could always cut off the tip and have one welded on that you like
3. I personally am going to try to find a tanabe g-power exhaust but i think they dont make them anymore <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'>
Good luck -

MikeFD3S · 07-01-2002, 01:48 PM

did someone say... CRUSH BENT?!??!?!?

I would try to get mandrel bent no matter what.  No point in getting a nice expensive catback if your piping isnt gonna flow well

Kreator · 07-01-2002, 02:38 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gh6o6 @ July 01 2002,2:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. Dont get a crushed bent piping - it will create turbulance in the flow as well as it will only be as good as the size of the turn (that could be as little as 2"-2.5" space <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> )</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hmm that's exactly why there is a 2.5" mandrel and 3" crush bent in my choices. In hte bent areas the downsize of 3" won't go below 2.5" (hopefully) so i'll still have at least a flow that approximately equals to 2.5" mandrel.

tnord · 07-01-2002, 02:52 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ July 01 2002,3:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gh6o6 @ July 01 2002,2:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. Dont get a crushed bent piping - it will create turbulance in the flow as well as it will only be as good as the size of the turn (that could be as little as 2"-2.5" space <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> )</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hmm that's exactly why there is a 2.5" mandrel and 3" crush bent in my choices. In hte bent areas the downsize of 3" won't go below 2.5" (hopefully) so i'll still have at least a flow that approximately equals to 2.5" mandrel.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
this is not accurate at all. 3'' crushed DOES NOT equal 2.5 mandrel. if you would like me to expalin why i will, or you can just take my word for it.

HippoSleek · 07-01-2002, 03:03 PM

oh please, for the love of Allah, take his word for it.  Another crush bent = crap rant  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>   NOOOOOOO !!

Go mandrel only.

Talk to Jeff at Insane Exhaust (somewhere in-b/n B-more and DC).  I hear they can mandrel bend up to 3".  I don't have more info - I was just given the name a while back.

Kreator · 07-01-2002, 03:05 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ July 01 2002,3:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ July 01 2002,3:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gh6o6 @ July 01 2002,2:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. Dont get a crushed bent piping - it will create turbulance in the flow as well as it will only be as good as the size of the turn (that could be as little as 2"-2.5" space <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> )</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hmm that's exactly why there is a 2.5" mandrel and 3" crush bent in my choices. In hte bent areas the downsize of 3" won't go below 2.5" (hopefully) so i'll still have at least a flow that approximately equals to 2.5" mandrel.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
this is not accurate at all. 3'' crushed DOES NOT equal 2.5 mandrel. if you would like me to expalin why i will, or you can just take my word for it.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I know it's not. The air get's stuck up at the bends and just messes up the whole flow by bouncing in the wrong directions. In the worst case I still will prolly end up getting a mandrel bent catback and then sawing off the muffler although that's gonne be daamn expensive. But 3" crushed is much cheaper than getting 2.5" mandrel

uiuc240 · 07-01-2002, 03:41 PM

The Trust DD still comes out at an angle.  It's also much louder than the N1 dual.  Have you actually seen the duals?  They're really not that big, and once you get used to them, you'll wonder why the hell they weren't there in the first place?  They really match the lines of the car well, and the cans are quite understated.  I love mine (however, I may go GT Spec in the future...

)

Eric

uiuc240 · 07-01-2002, 03:41 PM

does anyone want to fill me in on how to delete posts?  i duplicated...dammit!  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

Eric

One-Eighty SX · 07-01-2002, 07:11 PM

Man you got some problems big time. Everyone i know LOVES the slanted look. I am not a fan of the apex'i n1 duals but ppl who likes its "each to their own". I myself like the Hks Hyper systems which is 80mm w/ tip of 115mm. Then i like the Blitz Spec-R 115tip diameter 80mm. Next u have 2 exhuast from GReddy/TRUST which is PE 2 115mm tip Dia. 80mm then u have the TRUST EVO 2 same dimensions and also has this very special one Replaces ur cat. It comes wid a test pipe down pipe( i believe), and the dia is 94mm 115mm tip... I have bad experience wid custom Sh!et so i would rather spend my money to get a good quality system.

kanekz · 07-01-2002, 07:35 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (One-Eighty SX @ July 01 2002,8:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have bad experience wid custom Sh!et so i would rather spend my money to get a good quality system</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

YES. I second that. I think only if you have to get the custom setup ($$$??), but it is worth it in the long-run to get a quality setup. I am gong to get the TRUST EVO 2 pretty soon (94mm pipping w/test pipe). At first I did not like the Dual N1's but I saw it on my friends FD and it was pretty dope - loud though <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

tnord · 07-01-2002, 07:50 PM

"But 3" crushed is much cheaper than getting 2.5" mandrel"

and why do you think that is?

Kreator · 07-01-2002, 09:49 PM

tnord: Umm basicly cuz this muffler shop does 3" (to bigger cars) for like $200-220. And the firbeall system is around $450. THe muffler is say $100. So there is about $130 difference.

uiuc240: I've seen the apexi dual (on nrcooled car). I find it too big. Sorry but i don't like it. If it was a single tip of that size, that'd be ok. But 2 is too much.... do you have a pic of trust DD?

One-Eighty SX: You know what, **edit**. I wasn't asking if i had problems cuz i don't like the dual exhaust. I was asking specific question. If you want to look like a fartpiped civic, go for it. More power to you. I don't. And i don't want cops to be pulling me over cuz "my tip is too big" (yeah that happened to one of my friends). I don't see a reason why would you need a tip that's twice as big as your piping? People find it looking nice, I find it looking gay. I don't see any other reasons. And finally, learn to read:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah sure. What i don't like are the big tips. Basicly the 5zigen fireball tip is probably the only one that is small enough for me.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
If you have nothing worthwhile to say, don't say anything at all. I very much respect the american style exhausts. Those cars are pushing waaay more than most of our cars ever will, yet they aren't obsessed with how big their tips are. As i said, a perfect system i find is the one that ends with a muffler that resembles the stock one.

But anyways.... i'm leaning towards the idea of getting a 3" 5 zigen fireball. Put it on, see how it looks. If i don't like it, save up, cut off the muffler and get the magnaflow muffler. If i like it, i'll let it stay.... anyone got other ideas?

adey · 07-01-2002, 09:57 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ July 01 2002,11:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Apexi dual has 2 3.5" tips separated by hell of alot free space. For me it just seems unproportionally big for hte car. That's total of 7" compared to 3" that your piping is.
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Sorry... just to clear this up, two 3.5" tips does not equal one 7" tip... That would be... scary.
Yes, I'm sure you all noticed this too, but I'm a picky one. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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dual 3.5" tips (as found on the Apexi Dual) has roughly 19.24 square inches in area (single 3.5" tip is ~9.62 square inches). By my calculations (provided they're not completely off), a 7" tip would give a "surface" area of ~38.5 sq in. A far cry from the 19.2 sq in. that the two 3.5" tips make together.

Cliff's Notes: Putting the two tips of an N1 dual together, you'd end up with a single tip of just under 4.95" in diameter, not 7". <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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Kreator · 07-01-2002, 10:00 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (adey @ July 01 2002,10:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ July 01 2002,11:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Apexi dual has 2 3.5" tips separated by hell of alot free space. For me it just seems unproportionally big for hte car. That's total of 7" compared to 3" that your piping is.
<snip></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Sorry... just to clear this up, two 3.5" tips does not equal one 7" tip... That would be... scary.
Yes, I'm sure you all noticed this too, but I'm a picky one. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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dual 3.5" tips (as found on the Apexi Dual) has roughly 19.24 square inches in area (single 3.5" tip is ~9.62 square inches). By my calculations (provided they're not completely off), a 7" tip would give a "surface" area of ~38.5 sq in. A far cry from the 19.2 sq in. that the two 3.5" tips make together.

Putting the two tips of an N1 dual together, you'd end up with a single tip of just under 4.95" in diameter, not 7". <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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Ok sorry.... i messed it up <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> Never thought of that but anyways... that's still more than twice the area that is needed for a 3" piping <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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BEISSEN · 07-01-2002, 10:28 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One-Eighty SX: You know what, go fuck yourself. I wasn't asking if i had problems cuz i don't like the dual exhaust. I was asking specific question. If you want to look like a fartpiped civic, go for it. More power to you. I don't. And i don't want cops to be pulling me over cuz "my tip is too big" (yeah that happened to one of my friends). I don't see a reason why would you need a tip that's twice as big as your piping? People find it looking nice, I find it looking gay. I don't see any other reasons. And finally, learn to read:
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 Hey Kreator Clam the hell down ok there is no need to get all rude about shit.Everyone here is entitled to there opions here.No need to tell then to go f**k themself ok and if you want to talk about a civic then go look at a car show and see what runs the street.powere is power ok and so you know the n1 duel has a tip of 3.25 in diamater"sp".But the pipeing is 2.5 so there is your 2.5 pipeing with a tipe to throw all that gas out of the car.it looks sweet on the 95-98 240 and looked hella sweet on nrcooled's s13 it was a little big on the s13 but sounded sweet as hell with a turbo and is awsome.The best exhaut imo is the apex-i gtspec with a turbo cus of the larger piping at about 4".That is a huge exhaust and makes the n1 duel look like a baby i have heard that thing on a turbo car from uuninja with a ka-t.You ask a question take a reply and don't get nasty no need to.If you want i can ask a friend of mine who's dad owns a performace shop and does exhaust give me a few days if you want me to ask they will give me a price ok.Do you want stainless stell or just reg piping with a coating to help prevent rust on it?

Kreator · 07-01-2002, 11:17 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BEISSEN @ July 01 2002,11:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One-Eighty SX: You know what, go fuck yourself. I wasn't asking if i had problems cuz i don't like the dual exhaust. I was asking specific question. If you want to look like a fartpiped civic, go for it. More power to you. I don't. And i don't want cops to be pulling me over cuz "my tip is too big" (yeah that happened to one of my friends). I don't see a reason why would you need a tip that's twice as big as your piping? People find it looking nice, I find it looking gay. I don't see any other reasons. And finally, learn to read:
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Hey Kreator Clam the hell down ok there is no need to get all rude about shit.Everyone here is entitled to there opions here.No need to tell then to go f**k themself ok and if you want to talk about a civic then go look at a car show and see what runs the street.powere is power ok and so you know the n1 duel has a tip of 3.25 in diamater"sp".But the pipeing is 2.5 so there is your 2.5 pipeing with a tipe to throw all that gas out of the car.it looks sweet on the 95-98 240 and looked hella sweet on nrcooled's s13 it was a little big on the s13 but sounded sweet as hell with a turbo and is awsome.The best exhaut imo is the apex-i gtspec with a turbo cus of the larger piping at about 4".That is a huge exhaust and makes the n1 duel look like a baby i have heard that thing on a turbo car from uuninja with a ka-t.You ask a question take a reply and don't get nasty no need to.If you want i can ask a friend of mine who's dad owns a performace shop and does exhaust give me a few days if you want me to ask they will give me a price ok.Do you want stainless stell or just reg piping with a coating to help prevent rust on it?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Blah. Somewhy everyone is misinterpreting this post. I'm not asking for opinions. I'm asking a specific question. Does anyone know anyone around dc/md/va area that makes 3" crushed, 2.5" mandrel or where can i get piping made for me. I'm not asking "What exhaust should i get". Now, back to the dual exhaust: You have 2 2.5" pipes from the cat right? That's about 4.6" (same way adey derived his thing above)? But the downpipe is still 3"! What's the use of 4.6" piping if your downpipe doesn't let through more than 3"? I know there is advantage to have somewhat larger piping after catback. But that is miserable if we are talking same size downpipe. Example: boosteds14 runs his turbo with a 2.5" downpipe. At 15psi he lost 8hp by switching from 3" exhaust to 2.5" exhaust.... in my opinion that's nothing at 15psi...

Now back to the topic. beissen, if you could check that out it would be cool. I want stainless steel, and i'll give them the muffler, so i just need the piping from the cat.

*Grant* · 07-02-2002, 12:18 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ July 01 2002,10:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ July 01 2002,12:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what exhausts have you looked at that you don't like? and what muffler do you like? maybe we can help look around for something that would suit you better?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah sure. What i don't like are the big tips. Basicly the 5zigen fireball tip is probably the only one that is small enough for me. But honestly i don't like the look of single tiped mufflers on a stock s14 bumper. So i'm looking for something that would resemble a stock 240sx muffler but probably with 2 tips around 2.5"... ok here are the mufflers that i'm thinking about:

in case 2.5" mandrel bent piping:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot....0552771

and in case 3" crush bent:
http://magnaflow.com/03cat-back/xltu...rbomuffler.htm
(under the 4X9 XL Turbo Universal Oval Body the Single/Dual muffler, Part #13288)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
hehe what about this?

its actually mandrel bent piping from an HKS drager Exhaust (previous owner chopped the muffler off and stuck it on his honda after he totalled his 240, the piping was used for less than a week) with a PowerTech (some generic brand) muffler.

overall a good exhaust, not too loud.

I may actually be selling this exhaust if i can get the 5zigen fireball of nitekids.

rotaryknight · 07-02-2002, 02:11 AM

Another suggestion is the HKS Dual Drager (not Drager II). They only made it for a couple years and it was discontinued but HKS does have 4 or 5 left in Japan last time I checked.

I opt'ed for this one since it looks similar to stock and I'm going for that sleeper look.

It's catback 85mm piping separating to two 60mm piping going to two individual Drager canisters exiting two 85mm tips. If you want something that will perform and still kinda look stock I suggest this.  It is not angled like the N1 dual but comes straight out like the normal Drager.

Kreator · 07-02-2002, 08:09 AM

Grant, yeah that's exactly the look i'm searching for... how much would you ask for the exhaust? And what's the pipe diameter?

rotary, do you have any pics of dual drager?

uuninja · 07-02-2002, 11:27 AM

Here is the link to the shop that Mark (hipposleek) mentioned. http://www.insaneracing.com/

His slogan "No Muff's too Tuff" is reason enough IMHO to give him a ring. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> I was considering getting him to do some custom welding but it was a bit too far for what I needed done(tipping the dood at menike 40 bucks will get you anything). <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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Anyway from the looks of this.

I am sure he can do something for you.

Oh and as for the GT spec the diameter increases from 3 to 4 inches over the leingth of the exhaust. They call it "megaphone" piping. It is suppose to increase flow efficiency. How? I am a bit sceptical, but then again I don't have a phd in physics, thermo/gas dynamics ect. So I would say that my knowledge is some what limited on the subject <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> But at any rate it sounds nice (though a bit loud for my taste).

Anyway keep us posted I think I am going to go with a custom system on my s13 as well. Since you are in the area I would like to see it some time when you are finished.

Good luck!

One-Eighty SX · 07-02-2002, 05:04 PM

Kreator, Look i reas your post and i knoe what u wanted All i was stating that there is other exhaust but IF u gave my post a real good reading you would of saw "Each to its own". Also the only way u get pulled by cops is letting them hear ur exhaust. I have a GReddy Evo on my civic which was mines but i gave it up for finacial reasonings. I do believe a cop has no right to pull you over jus for you exhaust u have to be speedin or doin some inconspicious shiet to get pulled. I had it on since march and its far from loud. But my bad for jus giving my opinion bout some other exhaust. I mite add if u have turbo its gonna lower ur exhaust note anyways. but some exhaust are loud and i dont like it too loud... jus mild and deep... So forgive my insolence for being a smart ass  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

rotaryknight · 07-02-2002, 05:55 PM

I'll try to get a pic up soon. You're not going to be happy with the price. I think MSRP on the HKS Dual Drager is $1200.00. I believe HKS USA has 1 in stock...if not it has to be special ordered from Japan.

It is a discontinued item so once it's gone it's gone....another reason why I bought it. You can count on one hand how many are left in Japan so it's up to you.

3301-SN078 is the part number to make it easier for you and it was only made for the S13.

Kreator · 07-02-2002, 06:11 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (One-Eighty SX @ July 02 2002,6:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Kreator, Look i reas your post and i knoe what u wanted All i was stating that there is other exhaust but IF u gave my post a real good reading you would of saw "Each to its own". Also the only way u get pulled by cops is letting them hear ur exhaust. I have a GReddy Evo on my civic which was mines but i gave it up for finacial reasonings. I do believe a cop has no right to pull you over jus for you exhaust u have to be speedin or doin some inconspicious shiet to get pulled. I had it on since march and its far from loud. But my bad for jus giving my opinion bout some other exhaust. I mite add if u have turbo its gonna lower ur exhaust note anyways. but some exhaust are loud and i dont like it too loud... jus mild and deep... So forgive my insolence for being a smart ass <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
you're forgiven <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> i'm sorry I yelled at at you. But i was in my friend's car when the cop pulled us over. He didn't ticker him or anything but they were standing and chatting for like 10-15 minutes. The cop was trying to charge him for the tip being too big. Camppain was pulled over for weaving in lane so... I know that with a turbo it's not loud at all, and that's why i'm considering a 3"... but i think cops do target people with big exhausts and will try to find something to pull you over for... stuff i heard from some of my friends...
rotary, is it that exhaust that has like 102mm piping?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

rotaryknight · 07-02-2002, 06:39 PM

No you're thinking of the HKS Racing Ti Hiper. It is 102mm from the DP back. All stainless piping with a Ti canister and tip. That one usually retails for 1300-1400. #3108-RN003

07-01-2002, 11:31 AM	#2
sykikchimp WOW addicted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the moon Age: 40 Posts: 6,518 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what exhausts have you looked at that you don't like?  and what muffler do you like?  maybe we can help look around for something that would suit you better? __________________

07-01-2002, 11:47 AM	#4
240 2NR Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver Posts: 1,131 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why not a Apex'i N1 Dual or the Trust DD?  The DD would be really loud, but tolerable if you had a turbo.  The N1 dual is just a cool exhaust and I sometimes regret not getting it myself. __________________ Steve 93 240sx FB currently very clean and for sale

07-01-2002, 12:41 PM	#6
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 37 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	240 2NR: The Apexi dual has 2 3.5" tips separated by hell of alot free space. For me it just seems unproportionally big for hte car. That's total of 7" compared to 3" that your piping is. Basic;u a single 3.5" will provide more than enough flow. And it's slanted (another thing i don't like, and another thing that made me crossoff the 5zigen fierball off the list). Trust DD (if i'm not mistaken) is 3.5" dual too but w/o the slant. That is better, but i'm yet to see one on an s14 (anyone got pics?). Adey: Thanx, but the only dual tipped system available for our cars is Sport system w/ 2 65mm tips. That would be awesome, but unfortunately they only make it for s13s __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

07-01-2002, 01:48 PM	#8
MikeFD3S Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Torrance, CA Age: 41 Posts: 240 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	did someone say... CRUSH BENT?!??!?!? I would try to get mandrel bent no matter what.  No point in getting a nice expensive catback if your piping isnt gonna flow well __________________ '93 FD3S R1 '92 SC300 5SP '87 FC3S Sport Turbo II conversion '90 240SX Hatch '89 240SX Coupe [dead] '91 Geo Storm [dead] '86 FC3S GXL [gone]

07-01-2002, 02:38 PM	#9
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 37 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gh6o6 @ July 01 2002,2:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. Dont get a crushed bent piping - it will create turbulance in the flow as well as it will only be as good as the size of the turn (that could be as little as 2"-2.5" space <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> )</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Hmm that's exactly why there is a 2.5" mandrel and 3" crush bent in my choices. In hte bent areas the downsize of 3" won't go below 2.5" (hopefully) so i'll still have at least a flow that approximately equals to 2.5" mandrel. __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

07-01-2002, 11:25 AM	#1
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 37 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	After looking at mostly every exhaust system out there for my car (97 240sx) I didn't find a single one that i liked. Mostly because of the muffler tips. So i decided to do custom piping and get a muffler that i like welded on (good thing there isn't a lack of variations in mufflers). However, since i plan on turboing the car in the spring, my choices are quite limited. Either a 2.5" mandrel bent piping or 3" crush bent piping. After visiting several muffler shops around my place, I found out that a. they can't do more than 2.5" crush bent on my car (2 90 degree bends near the muffler) and b. they have no idea who does custom mandrel bent. So my questions: a. Does anyone know of a shop in DC/MD/VA area that could make 3" crushed or 2.5" mandrel? b. Does anyone know of a company on the internet that could make this? c. What are the cheapest 2.5" and 3.0" exhausts for our cars? (The idea here is to buy it, cut off the muffler and weld my own..) Thanx __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

07-01-2002, 11:41 AM	#3
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 37 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ July 01 2002,12:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what exhausts have you looked at that you don't like? and what muffler do you like? maybe we can help look around for something that would suit you better?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Yeah sure. What i don't like are the big tips. Basicly the 5zigen fireball tip is probably the only one that is small enough for me. But honestly i don't like the look of single tiped mufflers on a stock s14 bumper. So i'm looking for something that would resemble a stock 240sx muffler but probably with 2 tips around 2.5"... ok here are the mufflers that i'm thinking about: in case 2.5" mandrel bent piping: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot....0552771 and in case 3" crush bent: http://magnaflow.com/03cat-back/xltu...rbomuffler.htm (under the 4X9 XL Turbo Universal Oval Body the Single/Dual muffler, Part #13288) __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

07-01-2002, 12:22 PM	#5
adey Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3,061 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I agree; though I'm not in the market for exhaust yet, I have been looking for something with a smaller tip than what's generally found on the market these days. I simply do not see the need for a 12cm tip. For me 100mm is pushing it, whereas a single 80mm would be perfect. edit: I remember HKS making some conservative looking double-tipped exhaust/mufflers. Try checking them out! http://www.hksusa.com/ (I think)

07-01-2002, 01:18 PM	#7
gh6o6 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 550 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hers my opinion: 1.  Dont get a crushed bent piping - it will create turbulance in the flow as well as it will only be as good as the size of the turn (that could be as little as 2"-2.5" space  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> ) 2. I know its your preference and i respect that but I think you should be looking more for the sound that the size of the tip if you find one with a nice sound, you could always cut off the tip and have one welded on that you like 3. I personally am going to try to find a tanabe g-power exhaust but i think they dont make them anymore <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'> Good luck -

07-01-2002, 02:52 PM	#10
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ July 01 2002,3:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gh6o6 @ July 01 2002,2:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. Dont get a crushed bent piping - it will create turbulance in the flow as well as it will only be as good as the size of the turn (that could be as little as 2"-2.5" space <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> )</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Hmm that's exactly why there is a 2.5" mandrel and 3" crush bent in my choices. In hte bent areas the downsize of 3" won't go below 2.5" (hopefully) so i'll still have at least a flow that approximately equals to 2.5" mandrel.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> this is not accurate at all. 3'' crushed DOES NOT equal 2.5 mandrel. if you would like me to expalin why i will, or you can just take my word for it.

07-01-2002, 03:03 PM	#11
HippoSleek Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: elsewhere Posts: 2,081 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	oh please, for the love of Allah, take his word for it.  Another crush bent = crap rant  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>   NOOOOOOO !! Go mandrel only. Talk to Jeff at Insane Exhaust (somewhere in-b/n B-more and DC).  I hear they can mandrel bend up to 3".  I don't have more info - I was just given the name a while back.

07-01-2002, 03:05 PM	#12
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 37 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ July 01 2002,3:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ July 01 2002,3:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gh6o6 @ July 01 2002,2:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. Dont get a crushed bent piping - it will create turbulance in the flow as well as it will only be as good as the size of the turn (that could be as little as 2"-2.5" space <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> )</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Hmm that's exactly why there is a 2.5" mandrel and 3" crush bent in my choices. In hte bent areas the downsize of 3" won't go below 2.5" (hopefully) so i'll still have at least a flow that approximately equals to 2.5" mandrel.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> this is not accurate at all. 3'' crushed DOES NOT equal 2.5 mandrel. if you would like me to expalin why i will, or you can just take my word for it.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I know it's not. The air get's stuck up at the bends and just messes up the whole flow by bouncing in the wrong directions. In the worst case I still will prolly end up getting a mandrel bent catback and then sawing off the muffler although that's gonne be daamn expensive. But 3" crushed is much cheaper than getting 2.5" mandrel __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

07-01-2002, 03:41 PM	#13
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 42 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The Trust DD still comes out at an angle.  It's also much louder than the N1 dual.  Have you actually seen the duals?  They're really not that big, and once you get used to them, you'll wonder why the hell they weren't there in the first place?  They really match the lines of the car well, and the cans are quite understated.  I love mine (however, I may go GT Spec in the future...) Eric __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

07-01-2002, 07:11 PM	#15
One-Eighty SX Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Man you got some problems big time. Everyone i know LOVES the slanted look. I am not a fan of the apex'i n1 duals but ppl who likes its "each to their own". I myself like the Hks Hyper systems which is 80mm w/ tip of 115mm. Then i like the Blitz Spec-R 115tip diameter 80mm. Next u have 2 exhuast from GReddy/TRUST which is PE 2 115mm tip Dia. 80mm then u have the TRUST EVO 2 same dimensions and also has this very special one Replaces ur cat. It comes wid a test pipe down pipe( i believe), and the dia is 94mm 115mm tip... I have bad experience wid custom Sh!et so i would rather spend my money to get a good quality system.

07-01-2002, 07:35 PM	#16
kanekz Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2002 Location: California Posts: 802 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (One-Eighty SX @ July 01 2002,8:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have bad experience wid custom Sh!et so i would rather spend my money to get a good quality system</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> YES. I second that. I think only if you have to get the custom setup ($$$??), but it is worth it in the long-run to get a quality setup. I am gong to get the TRUST EVO 2 pretty soon (94mm pipping w/test pipe). At first I did not like the Dual N1's but I saw it on my friends FD and it was pretty dope - loud though <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> __________________ Blitz!!

07-01-2002, 07:50 PM	#17
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	"But 3" crushed is much cheaper than getting 2.5" mandrel" and why do you think that is?

07-01-2002, 09:49 PM	#18
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 37 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	tnord: Umm basicly cuz this muffler shop does 3" (to bigger cars) for like $200-220. And the firbeall system is around $450. THe muffler is say $100. So there is about $130 difference. uiuc240: I've seen the apexi dual (on nrcooled car). I find it too big. Sorry but i don't like it. If it was a single tip of that size, that'd be ok. But 2 is too much.... do you have a pic of trust DD? One-Eighty SX: You know what, edit. I wasn't asking if i had problems cuz i don't like the dual exhaust. I was asking specific question. If you want to look like a fartpiped civic, go for it. More power to you. I don't. And i don't want cops to be pulling me over cuz "my tip is too big" (yeah that happened to one of my friends). I don't see a reason why would you need a tip that's twice as big as your piping? People find it looking nice, I find it looking gay. I don't see any other reasons. And finally, learn to read: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah sure. What i don't like are the big tips. Basicly the 5zigen fireball tip is probably the only one that is small enough for me.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> If you have nothing worthwhile to say, don't say anything at all. I very much respect the american style exhausts. Those cars are pushing waaay more than most of our cars ever will, yet they aren't obsessed with how big their tips are. As i said, a perfect system i find is the one that ends with a muffler that resembles the stock one. But anyways.... i'm leaning towards the idea of getting a 3" 5 zigen fireball. Put it on, see how it looks. If i don't like it, save up, cut off the muffler and get the magnaflow muffler. If i like it, i'll let it stay.... anyone got other ideas? __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

07-01-2002, 09:57 PM	#19
adey Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3,061 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ July 01 2002,11:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Apexi dual has 2 3.5" tips separated by hell of alot free space. For me it just seems unproportionally big for hte car. That's total of 7" compared to 3" that your piping is. <snip></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Sorry... just to clear this up, two 3.5" tips does not equal one 7" tip... That would be... scary. Yes, I'm sure you all noticed this too, but I'm a picky one. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> dual 3.5" tips (as found on the Apexi Dual) has roughly 19.24 square inches in area (single 3.5" tip is ~9.62 square inches). By my calculations (provided they're not completely off), a 7" tip would give a "surface" area of ~38.5 sq in. A far cry from the 19.2 sq in. that the two 3.5" tips make together. Cliff's Notes: Putting the two tips of an N1 dual together, you'd end up with a single tip of just under 4.95" in diameter, not 7". <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

07-01-2002, 10:00 PM	#20
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 37 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (adey @ July 01 2002,10:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ July 01 2002,11:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Apexi dual has 2 3.5" tips separated by hell of alot free space. For me it just seems unproportionally big for hte car. That's total of 7" compared to 3" that your piping is. <snip></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Sorry... just to clear this up, two 3.5" tips does not equal one 7" tip... That would be... scary. Yes, I'm sure you all noticed this too, but I'm a picky one. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> dual 3.5" tips (as found on the Apexi Dual) has roughly 19.24 square inches in area (single 3.5" tip is ~9.62 square inches). By my calculations (provided they're not completely off), a 7" tip would give a "surface" area of ~38.5 sq in. A far cry from the 19.2 sq in. that the two 3.5" tips make together. Putting the two tips of an N1 dual together, you'd end up with a single tip of just under 4.95" in diameter, not 7". <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Ok sorry.... i messed it up <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> Never thought of that but anyways... that's still more than twice the area that is needed for a 3" piping <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

07-01-2002, 10:28 PM	#21
BEISSEN Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Woodbridge,VA Age: 39 Posts: 1,028 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One-Eighty SX: You know what, go fuck yourself. I wasn't asking if i had problems cuz i don't like the dual exhaust. I was asking specific question. If you want to look like a fartpiped civic, go for it. More power to you. I don't. And i don't want cops to be pulling me over cuz "my tip is too big" (yeah that happened to one of my friends). I don't see a reason why would you need a tip that's twice as big as your piping? People find it looking nice, I find it looking gay. I don't see any other reasons. And finally, learn to read: </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>  Hey Kreator Clam the hell down ok there is no need to get all rude about shit.Everyone here is entitled to there opions here.No need to tell then to go f**k themself ok and if you want to talk about a civic then go look at a car show and see what runs the street.powere is power ok and so you know the n1 duel has a tip of 3.25 in diamater"sp".But the pipeing is 2.5 so there is your 2.5 pipeing with a tipe to throw all that gas out of the car.it looks sweet on the 95-98 240 and looked hella sweet on nrcooled's s13 it was a little big on the s13 but sounded sweet as hell with a turbo and is awsome.The best exhaut imo is the apex-i gtspec with a turbo cus of the larger piping at about 4".That is a huge exhaust and makes the n1 duel look like a baby i have heard that thing on a turbo car from uuninja with a ka-t.You ask a question take a reply and don't get nasty no need to.If you want i can ask a friend of mine who's dad owns a performace shop and does exhaust give me a few days if you want me to ask they will give me a price ok.Do you want stainless stell or just reg piping with a coating to help prevent rust on it?

07-01-2002, 11:17 PM	#22
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 37 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BEISSEN @ July 01 2002,11:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One-Eighty SX: You know what, go fuck yourself. I wasn't asking if i had problems cuz i don't like the dual exhaust. I was asking specific question. If you want to look like a fartpiped civic, go for it. More power to you. I don't. And i don't want cops to be pulling me over cuz "my tip is too big" (yeah that happened to one of my friends). I don't see a reason why would you need a tip that's twice as big as your piping? People find it looking nice, I find it looking gay. I don't see any other reasons. And finally, learn to read: </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Hey Kreator Clam the hell down ok there is no need to get all rude about shit.Everyone here is entitled to there opions here.No need to tell then to go f**k themself ok and if you want to talk about a civic then go look at a car show and see what runs the street.powere is power ok and so you know the n1 duel has a tip of 3.25 in diamater"sp".But the pipeing is 2.5 so there is your 2.5 pipeing with a tipe to throw all that gas out of the car.it looks sweet on the 95-98 240 and looked hella sweet on nrcooled's s13 it was a little big on the s13 but sounded sweet as hell with a turbo and is awsome.The best exhaut imo is the apex-i gtspec with a turbo cus of the larger piping at about 4".That is a huge exhaust and makes the n1 duel look like a baby i have heard that thing on a turbo car from uuninja with a ka-t.You ask a question take a reply and don't get nasty no need to.If you want i can ask a friend of mine who's dad owns a performace shop and does exhaust give me a few days if you want me to ask they will give me a price ok.Do you want stainless stell or just reg piping with a coating to help prevent rust on it?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Blah. Somewhy everyone is misinterpreting this post. I'm not asking for opinions. I'm asking a specific question. Does anyone know anyone around dc/md/va area that makes 3" crushed, 2.5" mandrel or where can i get piping made for me. I'm not asking "What exhaust should i get". Now, back to the dual exhaust: You have 2 2.5" pipes from the cat right? That's about 4.6" (same way adey derived his thing above)? But the downpipe is still 3"! What's the use of 4.6" piping if your downpipe doesn't let through more than 3"? I know there is advantage to have somewhat larger piping after catback. But that is miserable if we are talking same size downpipe. Example: boosteds14 runs his turbo with a 2.5" downpipe. At 15psi he lost 8hp by switching from 3" exhaust to 2.5" exhaust.... in my opinion that's nothing at 15psi... Now back to the topic. beissen, if you could check that out it would be cool. I want stainless steel, and i'll give them the muffler, so i just need the piping from the cat. __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

07-02-2002, 12:18 AM	#23
Grant Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: 聖地牙哥 Posts: 2,647 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Grant Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ July 01 2002,10:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ July 01 2002,12:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what exhausts have you looked at that you don't like? and what muffler do you like? maybe we can help look around for something that would suit you better?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Yeah sure. What i don't like are the big tips. Basicly the 5zigen fireball tip is probably the only one that is small enough for me. But honestly i don't like the look of single tiped mufflers on a stock s14 bumper. So i'm looking for something that would resemble a stock 240sx muffler but probably with 2 tips around 2.5"... ok here are the mufflers that i'm thinking about: in case 2.5" mandrel bent piping: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot....0552771 and in case 3" crush bent: http://magnaflow.com/03cat-back/xltu...rbomuffler.htm (under the 4X9 XL Turbo Universal Oval Body the Single/Dual muffler, Part #13288)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> hehe what about this? its actually mandrel bent piping from an HKS drager Exhaust (previous owner chopped the muffler off and stuck it on his honda after he totalled his 240, the piping was used for less than a week) with a PowerTech (some generic brand) muffler. overall a good exhaust, not too loud. I may actually be selling this exhaust if i can get the 5zigen fireball of nitekids.

07-02-2002, 02:11 AM	#24
rotaryknight Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 408 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Another suggestion is the HKS Dual Drager (not Drager II). They only made it for a couple years and it was discontinued but HKS does have 4 or 5 left in Japan last time I checked. I opt'ed for this one since it looks similar to stock and I'm going for that sleeper look. It's catback 85mm piping separating to two 60mm piping going to two individual Drager canisters exiting two 85mm tips. If you want something that will perform and still kinda look stock I suggest this.  It is not angled like the N1 dual but comes straight out like the normal Drager. __________________ Daily Driver- 91 240 SX SE...S13 Blacktop HKS FMIC, EVC IV, W/G, Racing Suction, DP, Dual Drager, springs/pillow ball mounts Whiteline sway bars Tokico blues Koyo Radiator, Fluidyne fan J30 VLSD stock exterior. Fun Car- 94 FD3S (TO4S). The White HKS FD in FnF......may she rest in pieces.

07-02-2002, 08:09 AM	#25
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 37 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Grant, yeah that's exactly the look i'm searching for... how much would you ask for the exhaust? And what's the pipe diameter? rotary, do you have any pics of dual drager? __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

07-02-2002, 11:27 AM	#26
uuninja Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reston, VA Age: 43 Posts: 812 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Here is the link to the shop that Mark (hipposleek) mentioned. http://www.insaneracing.com/ His slogan "No Muff's too Tuff" is reason enough IMHO to give him a ring. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> I was considering getting him to do some custom welding but it was a bit too far for what I needed done(tipping the dood at menike 40 bucks will get you anything). <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> Anyway from the looks of this. I am sure he can do something for you. Oh and as for the GT spec the diameter increases from 3 to 4 inches over the leingth of the exhaust. They call it "megaphone" piping. It is suppose to increase flow efficiency. How? I am a bit sceptical, but then again I don't have a phd in physics, thermo/gas dynamics ect. So I would say that my knowledge is some what limited on the subject <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> But at any rate it sounds nice (though a bit loud for my taste). Anyway keep us posted I think I am going to go with a custom system on my s13 as well. Since you are in the area I would like to see it some time when you are finished. Good luck! __________________ Lurker Supreme! www.midatlantic240sx.com 91 Coupe 97 KA24DE+T SOLD

07-02-2002, 05:04 PM	#27
One-Eighty SX Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Kreator, Look i reas your post and i knoe what u wanted All i was stating that there is other exhaust but IF u gave my post a real good reading you would of saw "Each to its own". Also the only way u get pulled by cops is letting them hear ur exhaust. I have a GReddy Evo on my civic which was mines but i gave it up for finacial reasonings. I do believe a cop has no right to pull you over jus for you exhaust u have to be speedin or doin some inconspicious shiet to get pulled. I had it on since march and its far from loud. But my bad for jus giving my opinion bout some other exhaust. I mite add if u have turbo its gonna lower ur exhaust note anyways. but some exhaust are loud and i dont like it too loud... jus mild and deep... So forgive my insolence for being a smart ass  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

07-02-2002, 05:55 PM	#28
rotaryknight Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 408 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'll try to get a pic up soon. You're not going to be happy with the price. I think MSRP on the HKS Dual Drager is $1200.00. I believe HKS USA has 1 in stock...if not it has to be special ordered from Japan. It is a discontinued item so once it's gone it's gone....another reason why I bought it. You can count on one hand how many are left in Japan so it's up to you. 3301-SN078 is the part number to make it easier for you and it was only made for the S13. __________________ Daily Driver- 91 240 SX SE...S13 Blacktop HKS FMIC, EVC IV, W/G, Racing Suction, DP, Dual Drager, springs/pillow ball mounts Whiteline sway bars Tokico blues Koyo Radiator, Fluidyne fan J30 VLSD stock exterior. Fun Car- 94 FD3S (TO4S). The White HKS FD in FnF......may she rest in pieces.

07-02-2002, 06:11 PM	#29
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 37 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (One-Eighty SX @ July 02 2002,6:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Kreator, Look i reas your post and i knoe what u wanted All i was stating that there is other exhaust but IF u gave my post a real good reading you would of saw "Each to its own". Also the only way u get pulled by cops is letting them hear ur exhaust. I have a GReddy Evo on my civic which was mines but i gave it up for finacial reasonings. I do believe a cop has no right to pull you over jus for you exhaust u have to be speedin or doin some inconspicious shiet to get pulled. I had it on since march and its far from loud. But my bad for jus giving my opinion bout some other exhaust. I mite add if u have turbo its gonna lower ur exhaust note anyways. but some exhaust are loud and i dont like it too loud... jus mild and deep... So forgive my insolence for being a smart ass <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> you're forgiven <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> i'm sorry I yelled at at you. But i was in my friend's car when the cop pulled us over. He didn't ticker him or anything but they were standing and chatting for like 10-15 minutes. The cop was trying to charge him for the tip being too big. Camppain was pulled over for weaving in lane so... I know that with a turbo it's not loud at all, and that's why i'm considering a 3"... but i think cops do target people with big exhausts and will try to find something to pull you over for... stuff i heard from some of my friends... rotary, is it that exhaust that has like 102mm piping?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

07-02-2002, 06:39 PM	#30
rotaryknight Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 408 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	No you're thinking of the HKS Racing Ti Hiper. It is 102mm from the DP back. All stainless piping with a Ti canister and tip. That one usually retails for 1300-1400. #3108-RN003 __________________ Daily Driver- 91 240 SX SE...S13 Blacktop HKS FMIC, EVC IV, W/G, Racing Suction, DP, Dual Drager, springs/pillow ball mounts Whiteline sway bars Tokico blues Koyo Radiator, Fluidyne fan J30 VLSD stock exterior. Fun Car- 94 FD3S (TO4S). The White HKS FD in FnF......may she rest in pieces.

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