exitspeed

Again, the chances of this happening to the extent they are talking is a long long long shot. There will be some kind of "step" in that direction though, you can count on that.

The fact that Millennials don't give a shit about cars isn't a good thing for motorsports distant future though. At least not as far as the internal combustion engine goes.

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Kuma

Bags are the solution. I don't know how cost effective it is, but I think it might be better than drilling like they did the past few years. I don't care what the oil/gas companies paid geologists are saying... The intensity and frequency of powerful earth quakes in Oklahoma are related to the fracking.




Suspension mods don't affect emissions... I guess every enthusiast will either be stanced or lifted.

Hoffman5982

You guys are pretty fucking stupid if you think this could ever possibly happen.

Even more stupid if you think a change. org petition would have any effect if it were to happen.

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kashira kureijii

cows aren't the problem, you guys realize there was like 65 million buffalo before, eating only grass ( the digestion of fibers produces more methane). There are less cows now than there ever was before, Less than there was buffalo in 1800. this is because cows and agriculture in general have gotten much more efficient. we are feeding several times the amount of people with fewer animals.
People in cities love to use agriculture as a scapegoat, despite it being the only reason they are alive now.

I would know, I have a degree in cow science or whatever.

Seriously though, they should send all this shit to china, I think something like 3/4 of L/A pollution blows over from china or some cray shit.

I bet even if the law does goes into effect people will just selectively enforce it like the already do the current rules hahaha

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exitspeed

Considering Motor Trend, C&D, Autoblog have articles about it and the EPA has released responses to it, people are taking it pretty serious.

Again, whatever is decided in July will just be steps towards their bigger goal.

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mhubeny180sx

lol you sure are cute. love your posts.

LowMA70

While I see this is making the rounds on the internet. This won't pass. I think people lose sight of how much money is actually invested into the US economy. And how much it will fuck it up

Let's look at it from multiple view points

Stores that stock aftermarket parts

JEGS
Summit racing
Enjuku racing
Fr sport
Ace up motorsports
Ect.
These company's will go out of business.

Already losing MILLIONS of not billions combined, thousands of jobs lost

Then let's look at the actual company's
Edlebrock
Holley
Comp cams
BC
Crower
Paxton
NOS
Roush
Shelby
Off road stuff to

Agains MILLIONS of not billions again lost. Thousands of jobs lost

Then you have to look at a material and machine lost

All the metal company's, and machine company's loose millions and lose jobs from lack of aluminum, titanium, cast iron not being used.

Not to mentions the machinest industry loosing millions
On lathes, CNC, chrome plating
Plasma cutters. Those company's stand to lose money too

Then ALL of the racetracks and safety gear company's

Laguna seca
Road Atlanta
Sonoma raceway
Daytona
Every small track or drag strip

Stand to lose MILLIONS.

Then finally. The small guys
PBM
Knight garage
Cortex racing ect
All make parts, and turn normal cars into track cars go out of business

There is SOO much money into the racing of vehicles on US soil. This can't possibly go into actual affect

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turboshoebox

The EPA needs to be worried about Volks*SNIP* first with their thousands of STOCK TDIS and other models that they had to cheat the system to pass emissions...

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ixfxi

Wait. You mean do as what you suggest which happens to make perfect, logical sense? NO WAY. No chance a politician would be able to conceptualize, let alone fathom understanding the above.

The politicians writing these laws are too busy enjoying the parts that are made globally, with no interest in global pollution. As long as the pollution is on *that* side of the globe and they have the latest apple gadget - they're happy!


I agree. The gears are constantly turning and we have little to no effect.


Shut the fuck up and go play with your wheel spacers.

tuzzio

I don't actually believe that something like this will ever pass through, but if it does, im going to start hoarding catless exhausts through my work.

Corbic

Why? Anyone can make one with a $90 harbor freight welder.

That's why this is kinda stupid.

What is a "race car"?

Do coilovers make my car a race car? Do adjustable control arms?

How are they going to stop me from removing my EGR, Cat, welding up a cage and tuning my ECU? That requires local enforcement and that means annual inspections.

That's lots and lots of money. Money that should be spent on police body cameras and preventing extrajudicial killings... Not worrying about how much camber I run.


The only way this works is if they force organizers and sanctioning bodies to no longer allow VIN based cars. This means no more SCCA Miata Spec Racing, No More NHRA drag racing, No More NASA Iron-X and No More Formula Drift.

Corbic

Honestly, we can probably thank the Missile/Hoonibich trend...

People see this...



...and go "what the fuck!?!"

The response they get is "Yo, Chill the Fuck Out, it's my Race Car"!

And now people want to ban "Race Car".

jaysgottaredtop

EPA statement yesterday:
Based on that bolded section:
Motor vehicle = cars, trucks, and street bikes
Nonroad vehicles = dirt bikes and snowmobiles (and probably ATVs, lawn mowers, etc.)

It sounds like they're saying our cars are still classified as motor vehicles - not nonroad vehicles - even if dedicated to nonroad use.


From elsewhere in the EPA statement:
Sounds pretty explicit: We must retain factory emission crap, even if our cars are dedicated track cars.

Lame

Here's to hoping they continue to not enforce it. Otherwise, RIP every dragstrip and road course in the US.

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Race Car

Corbic

Enforcement becomes the problem.

How?

5 states have rigorous and expensive testing procedures. Many defeat these regularly by various means.

I don't see the rest other states lining up to join them short of a Congressional mandate based on Federal Funding.

Even then. Someone should make an issue of it as "why emission test when local governments can't afford schools, highway repairs, clean drinking water and body cameras for police? "


Clean water is more important than cleaning up a few thousand vehicles.

jaysgottaredtop

Step 1: Show up to any dragstrip/auto-x/drift event
Step 2: Pick a car, any car
Step 3: Pop the hood
Step 4: Visually confirm it's missing the cat, the evap canister, or whatever else
Step 5: Impound
Step 6: Pick another car, repeat steps 3-5

Our government has no problem budgeting money towards needlessly messing with people. Just ask the DEA, the TSA, etc.

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Fuck twelves.

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Silverbullet

This nailed it. I don't think the real issue is emissions. Its tuner cars on the street.

Just wait until we start tuning Tesla Model S and 3's.

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Cash

No way. I'm not defending that trend, but think bigger. That micro segment of trash cars has no material sway on EPA policies and opinions. Not buying it.

It would make more sense that this is directly related to the democratic party's focus on building a clean energy future. As the party has stated, "climate change is one of the biggest threats of this generation." This drives these types of policies. Think Energy Tax Credit, future MPG efficiency targets, and the recently proposed $10/barrel tax on oil to drive private sector innovation in clean energy technologies. The party has pledged to reduce emissions domestically by "regulation and market solutions."


What I see as a more realistic approach to cut down on "race car" modifications would be to tax the bejeebus out of aftermarket parts. You can either outlaw it, spend loads enforcing the law, and make us all criminals, or you can incentivize us to find a more environmentally friendly hobby.

Gingersmurf

I cannot wait.
There is already a market for uploading new codes to these cars (oh wait... EPA) and they are cranking out serious power. There are also people 'overclocking' it, for more power, again with code.

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STEEZxIT

this is a hobby, why expend so much effort going after such a relatively small portion of the population? how much dirtier are the emissions from an sr20 than those of a bone stock ka24? this is insanity and a step way too far. i chance it to say that we should go untouched in this new era of "cleaning up", as our contribution to pollution is so small that it is negligible.

i like the banning of items manufactured in dirty factories.

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scottie

EPA Bankrupts Auto Industry............ because racecar.

Silverbullet

Some software updates, and upgraded cooling for the motor is pretty much all you need. Only issue is whenever Tesla releases an update, it'll clear the existing lol.


Specs for the Model 3 are not yet released, but I have my eye set on a used Model S as my next car. Its fast enough stock honestly. I just want the auto pilot feature.

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exitspeed

Really great article on Autoblog.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/10/e...acing-opinion/

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Corbic

Who is going to show up?

Local PD? Feds have to convince them to do that.

Pop the hood?

How is a pig that barely graduated from HS going to know what is what?

Corbic

I disagree.

The tuner scene is very visible and catches lots of attention.

Look at all the Dapper Dandies getting tickets at H20 and how those antics get national media attention. Tuners are easy targets. Shitty looking cars, loud exhausts "omfg, they wake up the neighborhood, they pollute with illegal performance mods, they street race and kill children".

Democrats? Their more likely to block efforts on shale oil, coal industry, demand carbon credit exchanges...


The real automotive culprits? The OEMs like Volkswagen who've been cheating the system for years.

tuzzio

I cant stand the average 24 hours of lemons racer, literally, every one of them cannot shut the fuck up about it for 5 seconds.

They're like vegans of the car world.

exitspeed

From the article on Autoblog I just linked to.

He goes on to say:

And finishes with:

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Corbic

Low hanging fruit.

It's visible (as I stated above) and it doesn't have single huge money backers.

OEMs don't give a shit since it will force you to buy their performance parts and cars.

Companies that do care, Hooker Headers for example, doesn't have any clout or money to block this style legislation.

Now if the EPA was out to get Exxon Mobile, Google or General Electric, in a matter of days the EPA would be paying fines to those companies.

Corbic

Stupid article is stupid.

First, Fuck New Jersey. They can't even pump their own gas and are part of the 5 states that give a fuck about emissions.

Seconds, Fuck Lemons

Third, 1967 anything does not have emissions equipment and is not subject to emissions inspection in ANY STATE. (> 1972)

Finally, many states (and maybe federally) allow vehicles to fall out of compliance based on age and value. No one expects a struggling farmer to put a $500 cat on his $500 '82 Dodge Ram*.


*except shit holes like California, New York and Jerzy