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This a link to kts's website that shows the "rear suspension member brace". I'm going to order these REAL soon.

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nieko

You are seriously gunn ahave to notch the shit out of your chasis to make those braces work... lol but carry on.

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Slidin' Sam

Well they are so cheap that I will buy them and find out what needs to be done to make them work.

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Slidin' Sam

If you could spin the arm that goes from traction rod-LCA 180 degrees, you would have clearance for DAYS!

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GripTerror

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Z33dori

what would cause my sway bar to not site right?


info:
s13
hicas swaybay
ES swaybar bushings for 24mm (reg s13)
Moog sway bar end links im guessing for maybe reg s13

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Jonnie Fraz

I worked a little bit on them today. I have a spare S14 subframe that I am mocking up. One of the issues is the eccentric adjusters are very big. I am leaning tward setting them up for use with adjustable arms only. This would require that they come with new hardware.
Thoughts?
Also $400.00 would be way too much to pay for these. Depending on the amount of work and the hardware I am thinking $150.00-$200.00 ish.

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mikerbike

I doubt anyone without adjustable arms would be interested. $400 seems reasonable.

nieko

he just said hes down for 150-200 bro. lol

that does sound pretty legit.

i have my eccentrics blocked already, i would hate dirt dropping or something and having my alignment get all fucked.

i think it would be a great idea.

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mikerbike

Holy shit. Don't know how I missed that. *embarrassed*

Slidin' Sam

Well, the kts ones are about 10,000Y, so with the current yen rate that's about $120 USD...just to give you an idea of whats out there...

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PoorMans180SX

I'd say have a hardware/no hardware option. There are other eccentric block-offs on the market and a lot of us already have them. You'd just have to specify that you must use your hardware if you don't have it already.

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Pandapants

Those subframe braces, does that mean us s13 guys are SOL? I'd really like these braces but I'm really not interested in swapping out to a completely different subframe.

You want to elaborate a little?

Jonnie Fraz

The way I am thinking of building them, they would incorporate the eccentric lock out so you could sell off the ones you guys had.



No, I just am working on the S14 first since I have sub frame in the shop. I will be picking up an S13 sub frame here in a couple of weeks. I would not discount my S13 brothers...lol.

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This thread continues to impress. Jonnie you're the man!

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Pandapants

You sir, are too nice

thefro526

Hey dudes, I don't know if anyone was still looking for a decent picture of the rear DW Knuckles installed, but here's one anyway.



Found it while I was trolling ZT.

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Z33dori

sorry sit.

but once its all bolted up its pushing out on the endlinks. Then i took the bushing off the other day to drop my oil pan, and now i can get the bar back in right..... It seems like its forced in there. But last time i checked the hicas and non-hicas were the same length.

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codyace

Again, I'm still curious as to how much flex or how beneficial these would really be for our cars. I cut some tubes and started, but as I said above just quit before I got ahead as I reconsidered their 'gain'.


Not trying to say they are stupid or aren't worth it - but at the same time suspension bling isn't cool in my book either.

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Slidin' Sam

I don't know that I would really consider them "suspension bling", but I agree with you Cody...most people probably don't need these and don't realize the drawbacks to them. Everybody that wants them, wants them because you can make the subframe super stiff without welding anything and "keep it legal". Well, have any of you driven around in a car with a welded subframe? I only ask because I know most of you street your cars as well as drive them on the track, and a welded subframe SUCKS for DD'ing. Just food for thought...

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longfellow

I foamed my sub frame on my old red car a while back with 8lb density foam and there was a noticeable difference in how the rear of the car felt and road noise. I was running full spherical bearing set up and flush mounted sub frame. It felt almost like the fender braces did for the front, the rear of the car seemed to stay more flat and was more responsive to throttle input since there was less flex, it also soaked up quite a bit of vibration and noise from the rear suspension which was really nice.

I plan on doing it again with the S13 once I source an S14 sub frame for it.

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Jonnie Fraz

I am also curious to how much flex at these points we are talking about. I don't want to build, or sell something that is garbage. I want people who buy my stuff to go..."Holy shit! That was was worth it." When they drive their car for the first time after installing it.
I would like to hear from more people who foamed or welded their sub frames, and if they think it was worth it. I am going to try to do some testing on my sub frame to see what it takes to get it to flex.

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travypoo

i have welded up a couple sub frames. there is a ton of flex on the traction arm bracket and the toe arm section. when i did the frames i also did full multi link, frame bushings etc etc. so it was a huge difference, just by doing the frame and nothing else im sure it would be slightly better

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codyace

Most certainly, and I do apologize if If my post maybe implied that you were going to make something usless as it certainly wasn't my intention~!

I (like longfellow) used the 8lb density foam on my subframe...however I also went Rear Z32/Koni all around/sphericals/new control arms all at the same time...so I will also be the first to admit that I may not ever really know 100% the difference it made alone as I did too many mods at once. I will say that the back end certianly feels more planted, but again that may also be due to more front grip as well.

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Jonnie Fraz

Cody,

No not at all did I think that. I have been thinking about these for a while, since in the class that I am working on we can no longer weld on the sub frame.
I recently picked up an S14 sub frame, and that coupled with seeing these new pics kinda lit a fire under my butt. I admit I got caught in the hype about producing a new product, and it may not be needed, but on the other hand it may. I truly am starting to think that they would do the most good on a solid mounted sub frame with aftermarket suspension links.
Here are my thoughts...If the sub frame is rubber mounted the sub frame bushings are the weak link and they will flex before the sub frame will, again the stock bushings would be the weak link if the sub frame was solid mounted. This also applies to spherical bearings in the uprights vrs stock or poly.

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nieko

^^^ makes total sense...

I kinda wanna try that foam thing... does it really work? lol

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longfellow

I forgot to add I had ES solid poly bushings I shaved down so the the sub was flush with the chassis but also rigid. I had an S15 sub frame in the car after that (s15 has factory gussets and thicker bushings stock) and the whole thing moved around a lot more than my older set up.

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SoSideways

I currently have the GS RLCAs on my car, so yes, I have spherical bearings on the inboard pick up points of the RLCAs, so no problems there for me.

If you could make a version that will allow for inboard pick up point adjustments for S13 guys, or even S14 guys too, that are running spherical bearings on their RLCAs, that would be quite awesome!

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29psiHybrid

Been lurking this thread for a while and can't wrap my head around determining ackerman with how knuckles are modded.

For example, lets assume I have modded knuckles and the steering angle is stopped or maxed out at the same spot (angle) as stock knuckles are. If the tie rod area of the knuckle (don't know the name for it) is shortened along each axis in the pic below. Which would keep 'stock' ackerman?

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The one on the right no one would do, it would add more Ackerman. The one on the left would maintain Ackerman (while quickening the steering and adding angle). And if the point was moved towards the brake rotor it would reduce Ackerman.

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