bb4_96

My ex's stepdad was a junky. He once hocked an entire collection of disney movies in a night. Maybe 50 of them all belonging to the family gone. He'd take the car and head out to the projects on the west side of town and I would have to give my ex's mom a ride out there to get his keys and bring him and the car back. I hated him more than anything but his family loved him. I cant write off junkies as a whole or in part because unfortunately they are someone to someone. It would be much easier if there were no faces and names and they could be disposed of like destructive animals but it's just not the case. I couldn't feel that way about someone I love or care about. Actually I couldn't feel that way about most people. I feel like it's a silly sentiment. What if it turns out to be your kids/spouse/parents/siblings. Ever seen Traffic?

Besides the truly destructive addicts wind up getting into the system and going away.

That is where I draw the line personally. As soon as an addict crosses that threshhold into my house unlawfully he is as good as dead. The last story I heard was of a cousin of a co-worker. Apparently all strung out broke into an elderly womans home, gouged out her eyes with a pencil, and then sodomized her. You can be addicted to whatever you want but when you enter my home forcefully, you just gave your life away.

tricky_ab

Yeah well put. Pretty much just a subset of people who are horribly addicted to heroin and yet are unable to steal/buy heroin so they need something radically cheaper.

2,000,000 people in Russia are addicted to heroin
100,000 of the above (5%) can't get heroin and take krokodil to keep the withdrawal at bay. If these individuals had access to their drug of choice they wouldn't be taking this (Not by choice). Prohibition never has a happy ending

VROOOM

its not always the addicts fault. a friend of mine was addicted to meth for a few years. his dad gave him his first line. talk about shitty. he ended up doign a few years in jail. he is now clean, probably 8 years now.

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stevenwhite1989

How can you guys sit here and say that its not the addicts fault?
OF COURSE ITS THE ADDICTS FAULT!

Yea the drug makes them do things that they normally wouldnt do, but it was their decision to take the drug in the first place. Its not like you dont know what drugs will do to you. Like u woke up this morning and found out that drugs are bad for u? Doubt it.

I had a cousin who was off and on drugs for a long time, he died of an OD three years ago. The amount of pain that it has caused my whole family is unexplainable. BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT IT WAS HIS FAULT, NO ONE ELSE'S!

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bb4_96

agreed 100%

towlie

I remember a good friend of mine years ago, his name was chris. We used to skate together and sneak into movies, his nickname was "lil chris" for the longest time. That kid was funny as fuck, always had a bright smile on his face and was definatly an awesome friend.

About 8th grade his parents divorced and his new dad started beating his mom, chris started smoking weed.. LOTS of of weed. After a few months we started seeing less and less of him. Never at school, always gone, we'd show up at his house and his mom would have no idea where he was

When he was in 10th grade he dropped out and was doing harder drugs. Prescription pills, excasty, even heard rumors he tried smoking crack

I was always busy with work/school and life, he disappeared from my group of friends and we kinda forgot about him

The next time I heard about him cops had raided his house (squatting in a crack house) he was arrested for heroin possession and his addiction was so bad if he wasnt high he was puking and convulsing

He did get clean and I saw chris a few months ago, he is defiantly a different person(for the worse). No more bright smile, never cracking jokes, etc. Drugs changed who he was and destroyed his life. He was such an awesome kid with a very bright future

Now, I understand why he started using. Family life was a joke and of he could get high maybe he could forget about it.. However, drugs are not the way to cope with lifes problems (duh) I've witnessed an addict destroy everything first hand and I'm kinda angry like dude how could you do that to yourself... Back when he first started getting (really) high he would show up at my house and ask for some food, of course I'd give him a bite to eat and when he left I would always notice shit missing, the fuck? I'm sad to say he was worthless to society, worthless as a friend, he did that to himself, that's why I could gov a fuck less about ANY addict they destroyed their OWN lives even when there are people around them that love them and would do anything to help them

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bb4_96

^ I had a friend exactly like that. OD'd a couple years back and left a gf and kid.

murda-c

I really cannot see why anyone needs more than a fat joint and a 40 oz...

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Corbic

Peer-pressure, its a hell of a thing.

Daniel.

We as a society need to make the distinction between what addicts are worth rehabilitation and re-entry into society and what addicts are beyond us. The good ones are the ones that we need to keep out of prison and get into a program.

Addicts may not make the right choice when they first start using, but if they're serious about going clean and turning their life around, it's in our best interest to offer them a helping hand.

As for the rest of them that we can't hope to save from addiction...I don't really have a good answer on how to solve that problem.

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ronmcdon

Good luck with how to go about establishing that distinction.

ericcastro

LMAO !!!

Hence "The War On Drugs" and "Dare".
But we see how effective those were.

Ya need to put it in perspective.

Have most of you had a cigarette?
Had an Alcoholic Beverage?
Smoked Weed?
Even did a little Coke at a party?
Ecstacy?
Acid/ Mushrooms?

All these seem harmless, but some peoples brain Chemistry works in a way were they got hooked.
Drinking is fun, but smoking some weed is more fun, a little coke is better, lets take some vicadin and crack some beers....

Getting hooked on drugs is a very slow process that most addicts dont notice till its to late, and they ended up doing the one that clicked with their brain chemistry, and then its an uphill battle to get your life back.

Look at the Indians for example. They didnt know that something that one man could drink was gonna destroy everything they had. Their chemistry wasnt set up for it.

Who are "we" as society, to pass judgment on others??

Some of the worlds worse addicts end up being the biggest help to others.
Bill W, the man that started the first 12 step program was a major alcoholic, on and off the wagon, treatment, and would be considered worthless in a lot of peoples opinion.
Finally end up getting clean, and creates the 12 step program that is the basis of every treatment program today and has saved millions.

" inspite of all this, what I want right now more than anything else is another drink" - Bill W


Of course, some Krok-meth would solve alot of our crime issues really quickly.



Here is the really great article on Krokodil

Krokodil: The drug that eats junkies - Europe, World - The Independent

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tricky_ab

I posted a link that article on the first page. And I strongly recommend people read through both...

ericcastro

^ I had just watched the video's and launched my own google search.


Just watched the video with the women with half her forearm bone showing and the deep abses/sore on her inside thigh, its even gnarlier.


Just curious why they arent using maggots to eat away the dead flesh? Maybe the iodine/krokodiled dead flesh is too toxic for them?

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Daniel.

I'm not talking about passing judgement on others. What I'm talking about is is creating a legal, judicial, or law enforcement process (or some cross functional combination of the three) to facilitate the rehabilitation of drug addicts.

The system that we've got now simply doesn't work. We incarcerate drug addicts and put them into the prison system instead of reaching out to them and possibly turning them into productive members of society.

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ericcastro

They have those programs in prison.

And anyone who knows about addictions, will tell you that you cant help somebody thats not ready to be helped.
They have to reach their bottom first.
.......... and if trading cheeseburgers and blowjobs for rock isnt your bottom, then i am sure prison isnt either.

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slowvia

I totally agree with you here. And I most definitely think thats its a possibility. Oh wait... Its a reality...
Drug policy of Portugal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ronmcdon

Honestly I don't know what can be done in terms of a 'rehab process'
Most intervention programs, as I understand it, have a really low success rate.
'alcoholics anonymous' has a pretty low success rate.
Lot, if not the vast majority of the members eventually relapse.

It's easy to demand something better, but it's not so simple to come up with something that actually works.

I have a lot of good friends who are in AA, & it's truly surreal and horrific how many friends around you will relapse and pass away throughout the years.
Many of these are really good ppl, really no different from any of us besides their substance abuse past.
I'm convinced most are trying their best, have the best intentions, but it's just not easy unless to empathize what they go through unless you've been there yourself.

Nonetheless, I'm still a believer that some drugs just aren't even worth trying at all
The high chance of getting addicted to and some of the bad side-effects, for say meth & crack, are just too horrific.
This new drug is just on a totally new level of recklessness.

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zeitgeist

I get so sick of the holier than thou attitude!

Everyone makes mistakes and some are worse.
In my opinion it is our societies fault just as much as it is theirs. All the lies and the lack of REAL education about drugs in schools, the media, and the home.

Everyone is too scared to talk about it

Oh and it doesnt help when the gov. says crap like weed is just as dangerous as heroine.

"Oh if I smoke weed everyday and have no problems, I should be fine on coke and herione too"

EDUCATION is the key to lower drug use. I bet if we took kids to the nearest jail and show them what a crack head looks and acts like, then the odds of any of them messing with hard drugs will reduce drastically

ronmcdon

Idk, education (this was an undergrad course on substance abuse) actually got me to know the effects of smoking & taking shrooms weren't all that bad.
I got into a bit of it for recreation's sake afterwards & never got addicted.

honestly I think at least part of the problem is ppl doing drugs to self-medicate.
they drink or do downers prob b/c they have anxiety or want to relax,
uppers prob b/c lack of energy or depression.

I don't think a lot of ppl have a lot of awareness of their own problems,
much less know where to seek help.
And even then you see psychologists mis-diagnose kids as ADD, or bi-polar all the time.
We might then get into child developmental issues,
or how the kid simply grew up in a household/neighborhood with regular drug use.

There are just endless factor that contribute to substance abuse.
I wish education was the solution, and it's a good step regardless,
but it's difficult to come up with a simple solution for a very very complex problem.

WanganRunner

This stuff is disgusting.

Why would you even start it? If you're a heroin user and you REALLY need to get high that bad, and you can't get high, and the alternative is a horrible death in a year, wouldn't you just drink a quart of bleach and get it over with?

Bleh.

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murda-c

Drinking bleach wont make the pain go away. This will.

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zeitgeist

Education worked perfect for you! That was my whole point! I bet you saw what you should stay away from. Im not trying to completely dissuade students from drug use but just to inform them so they can make better decisions.

Of course there will always be drug abusers. But infections, diseases, and a lot of the bad stuff that comes along with hard drugs will drastically lower as has been proven in other countries.

The average person doesnt start drugs because of problems in their lives, but because they are curious and in general people liked to get fucked up! People will always continue to get fucked up!

Hell, Ive done my fair share of different drugs also(Ive lost count of the different kinds but around 10)
But before I did anything I always educated myself on what was addictive and what was just a good time with my friends

We have all the proof in the world which shows us what works, but self interest overcomes the good of our nation yet again just as the Russian president made no clear move to help the addicts. As long as the profits are going from drugs corporations to his pockets, why worry?

One_love_silvia

well that was quite interesting. his bone was even clean.

is it wrong that im not bugged by this video?

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STL240SXDRIFT

WTF is this disgusting shit? Flesh rotting? Jesus people...as if we don't have enough ridiculously stupid drugs in the world. Now they make this crap...and it actually makes its way to the US.

Anyone from Arizona on here know anyone stupid enough to try this stuff?

Flesh-rotting 'krokodil' drug emerges in USA


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turbo2nr

bathsalts , zombie apocalypse is upon us..

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no slide

i remember watching something on this where they were in russia (i think) sad stuff. i wouldnt want to know what the effects and what the comedown/detox would feel like. up with hope down with dope!

VROOOM

search for pics of what this stuff does to you. really nasty stuff.

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STL240SXDRIFT

Yea...I didn't want to post any. Not sure if its something the mods would be ok with. Although the pics are a powerful deterrent to using this stuff...pretty gruesome.