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Kia GT4 Stinger Concept Looks Like Show Car from VW's Past ? News ? Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog

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exitspeed

Interesting considering the guy responsible for kia's styling used to work for vw/Audi. The KIA proportions are approximately 423x better.

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simmode1

Agreed.

Disagreed.

future

Finally excited for a new car. I was thinking a 2008 z33 in a couple years seeing as it should be obtainable to buy cash, but this car has me interested and also a new FRS with more power

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simmode1

^^^Yeah, man... there are gonna be so many sub $10k cash cars around in a few years. Nissan, BMW, Mustangs, Camaros, NC Miatas... Tons of shit!

Gnnr

Well, they're already using that windshield/roofline on the Soul.

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DS562

4 bucket seats huh? Intredasting

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future

Yeah thing is that they are usually beat up, but seeing as it would be a weekend warrior I don't need it to be DD perfect

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simmode1

There are plenty of non-beat up, sub $10k cars out there... Where you been looking? In about 5 five that options are just gonna keep growing.

BOROSUN

definitely keep the 4 bucket.

full bucket all around!

coreyh

I like it, if it had a front redesign, I just don't trust kia as far as build quality/ reliability go, the few ive seen just feel cheap.

simmode1

Go hop into an Optima or Genesis sedan.

Kia/Hyundai is on the right track. They're working hard to be the new Honda/Nissan, but they all gotta start somewhere.

I'd rather they'd build up the way they have then just come out the blue with a sports car like the Mastretta MXT. Which I guess, maybe we should be talking about since it's RWD or really, MR. You can own the very first Mexican sports car for $58k...

redline racer510

This shouldnt only be move over frs/brz this should be move over nissan and any 240sx revival

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Corbic

Thats actually been mentioned a lot, it will target the G37 and BMW 4-series.

drift freaq

Ya somehow I just don't see people who would consider a BMW or an Infiniti giving a `Genesis the time of day even if it tried to go upstream. While Hyundai has definitely turned their image around they still fall into the lower line category.

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Corbic

Oh I agree, but those are they guys they targeted with the sedan.

I think Hyundai is still hoping to undercut them. Wouldn't surprise me if the new GC starts around 30k. Thats still $7k less then the comp and it opens the 20s up for the Stinger.

exitspeed

Yeah, there is ALWAYS the group of people that love a car that doesn't have the "prestige" maybe the Europeans do but still performs like one and for a fraction of the cost.

That was EXACTLY the task of the original Z.

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sleepyS14se

i like this alot!!!! now we can wait and see if they actually produce it or something similar!

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drift freaq

Lol I am aware of that Mel. I just don't think the Genesis holds that threat. Its already been out and has not unseated sales of G series cars or Z;s as well. The 370z;s lack of sales had to do with timing and quite honestly I don't think the Gen coup numbers were that incredible either. Its not like they set sales records like the 240z did.
Now one can speculate the Stinger might do something but I am still not convinced the Stinger is going to make it to market in the current concept form.˘Let alone with the HP. Putting out a inline 6 with a 150HP was pretty standard form in 1970 for almost any car manufacturer. Putting out a Turbo inline 4 with 315HP? Its just a tad above almost any manufacturer out there right now. Not that it can't be done but its not going to be delivered for under 30k
I mean look at a 2014 EVo MR its rated at 291HP and its up there in pricing.

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simmode1

^^^Right there with ya. I'm loving the specs on the Stinger, but they seem too good to actually make it to production for an speculated FRS rivaling price of under $30k. If it did, it would literally set a precedent and raise the bar on how much performance you can buy for sub-$30k. Kia is running strong right now, but I don't know if I'd expect them to be that bold.

But on the otherhand, what reason do they have to NOT be that bold? All they did was just revamp existing chassis/engine technology to keep the cost down. It looks like all the cards are in their favor. IMO, Dropping that car would set off a HP war for 4 bangers under $30k, just like the Coyote 5.0 Stang did for entry level performance V8s.

It's like being the new guy in a rough crowd... Best way to make a name for yourself is to knock out the biggest person you see.

Future240

Oh please let this happen.

I feel like it would be a prime opportunity for Nissan, Suby and Toyota to use the brand names to undercut the stinger.

I see it like this, presuming prices were all within say 1K of each other would you rather have a 315hp 4cyl rwd car made by Hyundai, a company that 7 years ago were known for cheap cars more than anything

or

A 270-290hp 4cyl rwd car made by a known brand name with a race history that has a history of iconic cars?

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Corbic

I'll take the Hyundai.

You guys really are suckers for the marketing brand hype shit. (Ironic considering you bitch about the euro-fanbois).

Hyundai and Kia are doing to Toyota and Honda what T/H did to the domestics 30 years ago.

The arguments you are making are the same ones Ford and Chevy guys made back then.

Hyundai and Kia started by building cheap cars (just like JDM) and are no crushing it with modern progressive styling and high value content. Meanwhile the JDMs have been stagnant in offerings have seen rising prices and spotty quality issues.

Deal with it.

Future240

While you may feel this way the majority of buyers will not. Personally for me I agree with you. It is less about brand name and more about performance.

However we both know that the masses will not see it that way.

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Corbic

Thats what the Big-3 thought too.
Given how fast Kia and Hyundai have grown I don't think "the masses" feel that way, expecially the younger people who didn't grow up in the 90's and 00's suckling the JDM-dick.

The people still going "WTF it's a Hyundai" are the same fanbois that would say the same thing about Ford, Volkswagen or a rival JDM brand they don't like.

exitspeed

I agree with you 100%. I've used that exact analogy with people.

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simmode1

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it?

But surely Japan's big 3 see the parallels between their past and the Korean upstarts. Maybe once you've grown to a certain size, you're handcuffed against taking risks which allows a young brand to create opportunities like this... Like some kind of revolving business cycle or something... I dunno.

Gnnr

This is true for Hyundai but not Kia, some of the consumer rankings are still not in their favor.



Other than that I agree with what you said 100%. Hyundai's warranty programs are also hard to beat.

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It's also about resale value. Used Genesis sedans are going for about the same price as new Civics.

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kingkilburn

The Japanese automakers didn't suddenly burst onto the scene with luxury and sports cars in the 80s and 90s. They simply brought over lines of cars they had been making for decades that the American market didn't seem to care about. People wanted small cheap gas sippers so that what they gave them.


Korea on the other hand hadn't built a quality product until the Genesis was designed. If you think otherwise go drive a Tiburon. They do still have something to prove to the market.

Perhaps the Stinger will be the tipping point for them.

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