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evils13 · 08-15-2015, 08:53 AM

Im currently running a competition clutch six puck and its too hard for my liking. Was wondering if there is anyway to make it easier for daily driving then it is now. Already have stainless steel lines, nismo clutch slave cylinder, and new oem MC. Also deleted the damper loop.

Or am I just better off getting a different clutch?

*burnsauto* · 08-15-2015, 09:23 AM

murda-c · 08-15-2015, 09:49 AM

What motor and power level? Are you on stock clutch hydraulics?

You could go to a smaller master cylinder and/or larger slave, but that will mess with the throw.

evils13 · 08-15-2015, 10:11 AM

The motor is a s14sr. making 290hp and 280 trq.

Kingtal0n · 08-15-2015, 10:40 AM

Now is your chance to do some reading about levers and pulleys, a general physics book will guide you.

Or as was suggested (lift), do some heavy barbell back squats. If you manage not to kill yourself, they will go a long way to improving your leg and back strength, and also make you feel better.

zombiewolf513 · 08-15-2015, 11:02 AM

You can adjust the pedal so that the engagement is close to the top. Making more leverage would mean modifying the pedal so that rod to the master cylinder is mounted higher up

KAT-PWR · 08-15-2015, 11:30 AM

Wants light pedal feel
Deletes clutch damper
I have the same clutch(stg4) on my ka. I find it very manageable

slideslidegnarslide · 08-15-2015, 12:16 PM

You blew it when you deleted the dampener

*burnsauto* · 08-15-2015, 03:26 PM

joking aside, just use it for awhile, you'll adjust to it. When you get back into a normal manual transmission, you'll slam the pedal to the floor like it owes you money, its pretty funny.

Kingtal0n · 08-15-2015, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burnsauto

joking aside, just use it for awhile, you'll adjust to it. When you get back into a normal manual transmission, you'll slam the pedal to the floor like it owes you money, its pretty funny.

^^

I lol'd at that for real

As a side note, you always adjust the pedal such that there is a bit of free-play near the top. It will keep the throwout bearing from riding the pressure plate, which would possibly cause pre-mature wear, or even a slipping clutch.

evils13 · 08-16-2015, 07:08 AM

Well with the damper everyone was saying take it out. So if I reinstall it it will help with the was the pedal feels?

And with all the joking aside, reason for this is because I screwed my lower back up. And I feel like using the heavy clutch pedal aggravates it more. Hints the reason Im looking for a way to lighten it. I have been driving with this clutch for years and I would definitely recommend it to other people. But for my situation its just too much at the momment and I would like to get back to driving the car with out it hurting my back.

*burnsauto* · 08-16-2015, 07:49 AM

alright, so you need a lighter clutch. Looking up on Enjuku, you're using the 6 puck "Ironman" stage 3 clutch? You may want to look into something like their 2100 series, "stage 2" clutch. You're going to want to call competition clutch to confirm this, but in theory, it should have a lower sprung pressure plate. It's advertised to hold 80% more power than stock, being (again, in theory) 360 lb-ft. I run a similar clutch made by ACT which has a moderate pedal feel, but not the stiffest I've felt. In comparison, an Exedy Hyper-Single has a stiffer pedal feel (no dampener) than my clutch (also with no dampener). Hope you're back feels better!

zombiewolf513 · 08-16-2015, 10:42 AM

Somehow convert your steering and pedals to motorcycle controls

*burnsauto* · 08-16-2015, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

Somehow convert your steering and pedals to motorcycle controls

chair slayer beat em' to it.

Adding a damper won't really change the stiff pedal, that's all up to the pressure plate. The damper is really there to get rid of vibration at higher rpm.

silverarrow27 · 08-16-2015, 02:55 PM

^^^Haha how useless! I'd prefer a paddleshift setup with a custom DCT transmission.

zombiewolf513 · 08-16-2015, 03:28 PM

Theyre probably an amputee or paralyzed; or its some hoonigage

Pretty cool actually, looks like shift or brake linkage into the handle, a clutch for the fingers, maybe throttle in the grip?

Croustibat · 08-17-2015, 04:34 AM

I am using an XTD stage 3 clutch and flywheel. Every time i don't use my s13 for a while, i think the clutch system has leaked out and i have no fluid remaining, that is how soft it is.

The reason is simple: pressure plate applies light pressure, but the wearable material has much higher friction.

Meaning it needs a flywheel with a hardened surface, as it will literally eat the OEM one.

It also can't take much abuse. I didn't even do 10K miles and it is slipping on hard acceleration out of corners (torsen and sticky tyres dont help). Still, that was cheap ... going for a spec stage 3 now. I KNOW this one is going to be hard on my leg. Still, i know what they can do, so that probably is the last clutch i'll ever change.

Almighty So · 08-17-2015, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverarrow27

^^^Haha how useless! I'd prefer a paddleshift setup with a custom DCT transmission.

paddleshift =/= acceleration

Kingtal0n · 08-17-2015, 06:24 AM

If this is a real problem for you that cannot be fixed by the most simple alternatives (of which there are few to none realistic) and you absolutely needed to drive a manual transmission for some reason (god knows why you wouldn't just go for an auto if you really needed it, the auto would be faster anyways...) then I recommend looking into hydraulic throwout bearings, and figure out a way to get one in there. I know those can be ridiculously soft, I felt a custom job in a 54 chevy once, and you could push down this 800 horsepower engine's clutch pedal with a pinky.

silverarrow27 · 08-17-2015, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Almighty So

paddleshift =/= acceleration

What's your point? Where in this thread are we talking about acceleration?

Almighty So · 08-17-2015, 09:47 PM

Right about the part where you said someone's hand accelerator was useless because you prefer a paddle shifter.
You realize he is paralyzed and needs that to accelterate correct? Totally useless..

Sileighty_85 · 08-18-2015, 02:54 PM

zombiewolf513 · 08-18-2015, 03:59 PM

Hahaha thats awesome, what does that come from?

Sileighty_85 · 08-18-2015, 05:04 PM

All 90's GTR's

silverarrow27 · 08-18-2015, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Almighty So

Right about the part where you said someone's hand accelerator was useless because you prefer a paddle shifter.
You realize he is paralyzed and needs that to accelterate correct? Totally useless..

Wait wait wait, so you're referring to the actual owner of the car with the hand accelerator when in this thread we're talking about the OP?! The OP has a back problem. Where in this thread have I or anyone else mention about a paralyzed person?

Is the OP paralyzed now? Has his condition changed that you're actually bringing this up? Man, someone is sensitive in here.

Almighty So · 08-18-2015, 07:05 PM

he posted a picture of a paralyzed driver's hand accelerator and you literally posted an arrow to it saying it was useless and a paddle shifter was better hahahaha fucking moron
you were the one who mentioned the picture first you idiot hahaha

Almighty So · 08-18-2015, 11:59 PM

***FaLKoN240*** · 08-19-2015, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverarrow27

Because it is useless in the OP's case. Is the OP paralyze? Don't think so. I've got nothing else to say BUT I Didn't think 13 yr olds would hop on message forums or even drive cars. You should either be playing minecraft on your mom's iPhone or wacking off to [email protected] porn under your bed because that's what your dad says it's the "right" kind of porn.

Yes you've got mad skills in going off topic and mad skills in comprehension. I bow down to you the ohmyteee_asssshhhhooooollleee = GAAAYYYYEEEEEEEEE : p Don't bother messaging back because this is my last post in this thread since you're being anal over nothing related to this thread. Just take it dry like you have been with no lube, except lube one of your hands while you stroke your pop's cock. You did in fact come out of there, so be nice...

If you've got anything else to argue about, you can PM me in private. Otherwise, being a tough guy in "Chicago" behind a screen is so 1990. Wait were you even around then? No wonder...

Silverarrow stop being a baby.

You missed the comprehension train. He's talking about using a motorcycle lever as a clutch that very well makes sense. Not sure how a paddle SHIFTER would work as a clutch lever.

Both of you cut it out.

*Drift N Dragg* · 08-20-2015, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverarrow27

Because it is useless in the OP's case. Is the OP paralyze? Don't think so. I've got nothing else to say BUT I Didn't think 13 yr olds would hop on message forums or even drive cars. You should either be playing minecraft on your mom's iPhone or wacking off to [email protected] porn under your bed because that's what your dad says it's the "right" kind of porn.

Yes you've got mad skills in going off topic and mad skills in comprehension. I bow down to you the ohmyteee_asssshhhhooooollleee = GAAAYYYYEEEEEEEEE : p Don't bother messaging back because this is my last post in this thread since you're being anal over nothing related to this thread. Just take it dry like you have been with no lube, except lube one of your hands while you stroke your pop's cock. You did in fact come out of there, so be nice...

If you've got anything else to argue about, you can PM me in private. Otherwise, being a tough guy in "Chicago" behind a screen is so 1990. Wait were you even around then? No wonder...

To add to that... 2 Weeks Pinked for your wonderful attempts at using the vocabulary to its full extend.

rwtf · 08-20-2015, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sileighty_85

I was about to suggest something like this. its like a clutch booster similar to a brake booster. I know TT Z32s came with them... maybe see if they will work?

08-15-2015, 08:53 AM	#1
evils13 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: 757 Age: 32 Posts: 43 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Trying to achieve a "light" clutch pedal. Need help. Im currently running a competition clutch six puck and its too hard for my liking. Was wondering if there is anyway to make it easier for daily driving then it is now. Already have stainless steel lines, nismo clutch slave cylinder, and new oem MC. Also deleted the damper loop. Or am I just better off getting a different clutch?

08-15-2015, 09:23 AM	#2
burnsauto Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 717, PA Age: 35 Posts: 3,153 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: burnsauto Feedback Score: 5 reviews	__________________

08-15-2015, 09:49 AM	#3
murda-c Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montgomery County, MD Age: 33 Posts: 3,197 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	What motor and power level? Are you on stock clutch hydraulics? You could go to a smaller master cylinder and/or larger slave, but that will mess with the throw. __________________

08-15-2015, 11:30 AM	#7
KAT-PWR Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: US Posts: 2,040 Trader Rating: (11) Rides Gallery: KAT-PWR Feedback Score: 11 reviews	Wants light pedal feel Deletes clutch damper I have the same clutch(stg4) on my ka. I find it very manageable __________________ MRP Manufacturing

08-15-2015, 03:26 PM	#9
burnsauto Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 717, PA Age: 35 Posts: 3,153 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: burnsauto Feedback Score: 5 reviews	joking aside, just use it for awhile, you'll adjust to it. When you get back into a normal manual transmission, you'll slam the pedal to the floor like it owes you money, its pretty funny. __________________

08-15-2015, 10:11 AM	#4
evils13 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: 757 Age: 32 Posts: 43 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	The motor is a s14sr. making 290hp and 280 trq.

08-15-2015, 10:40 AM	#5
Kingtal0n Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Florida Age: 38 Posts: 4,649 Trader Rating: (17) Feedback Score: 17 reviews	Now is your chance to do some reading about levers and pulleys, a general physics book will guide you. Or as was suggested (lift), do some heavy barbell back squats. If you manage not to kill yourself, they will go a long way to improving your leg and back strength, and also make you feel better.

08-15-2015, 11:02 AM	#6
zombiewolf513 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: AZ Age: 33 Posts: 1,682 Trader Rating: (6) Rides Gallery: zombiewolf513 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	You can adjust the pedal so that the engagement is close to the top. Making more leverage would mean modifying the pedal so that rod to the master cylinder is mounted higher up

08-15-2015, 12:16 PM	#8
slideslidegnarslide Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: philly area Age: 31 Posts: 1,408 Trader Rating: (29) Feedback Score: 29 reviews	You blew it when you deleted the dampener

08-16-2015, 07:08 AM	#11
evils13 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: 757 Age: 32 Posts: 43 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Well with the damper everyone was saying take it out. So if I reinstall it it will help with the was the pedal feels? And with all the joking aside, reason for this is because I screwed my lower back up. And I feel like using the heavy clutch pedal aggravates it more. Hints the reason Im looking for a way to lighten it. I have been driving with this clutch for years and I would definitely recommend it to other people. But for my situation its just too much at the momment and I would like to get back to driving the car with out it hurting my back.

08-16-2015, 07:49 AM	#12
burnsauto Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 717, PA Age: 35 Posts: 3,153 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: burnsauto Feedback Score: 5 reviews	alright, so you need a lighter clutch. Looking up on Enjuku, you're using the 6 puck "Ironman" stage 3 clutch? You may want to look into something like their 2100 series, "stage 2" clutch. You're going to want to call competition clutch to confirm this, but in theory, it should have a lower sprung pressure plate. It's advertised to hold 80% more power than stock, being (again, in theory) 360 lb-ft. I run a similar clutch made by ACT which has a moderate pedal feel, but not the stiffest I've felt. In comparison, an Exedy Hyper-Single has a stiffer pedal feel (no dampener) than my clutch (also with no dampener). Hope you're back feels better! __________________

08-16-2015, 10:42 AM	#13
zombiewolf513 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: AZ Age: 33 Posts: 1,682 Trader Rating: (6) Rides Gallery: zombiewolf513 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Somehow convert your steering and pedals to motorcycle controls

08-16-2015, 02:55 PM	#15
silverarrow27 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Banning, CA Posts: 1,428 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	^^^Haha how useless! I'd prefer a paddleshift setup with a custom DCT transmission. __________________ 1989 240sx XE\|2002 Frontier SC CC LB 4wd\|2011 Pathfinder LE V8 4wd

08-16-2015, 03:28 PM	#16
zombiewolf513 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: AZ Age: 33 Posts: 1,682 Trader Rating: (6) Rides Gallery: zombiewolf513 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Theyre probably an amputee or paralyzed; or its some hoonigage Pretty cool actually, looks like shift or brake linkage into the handle, a clutch for the fingers, maybe throttle in the grip? Last edited by zombiewolf513; 08-17-2015 at 10:13 PM..

08-17-2015, 04:34 AM	#17
Croustibat Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: France - Toulouse Age: 41 Posts: 1,851 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I am using an XTD stage 3 clutch and flywheel. Every time i don't use my s13 for a while, i think the clutch system has leaked out and i have no fluid remaining, that is how soft it is. The reason is simple: pressure plate applies light pressure, but the wearable material has much higher friction. Meaning it needs a flywheel with a hardened surface, as it will literally eat the OEM one. It also can't take much abuse. I didn't even do 10K miles and it is slipping on hard acceleration out of corners (torsen and sticky tyres dont help). Still, that was cheap ... going for a spec stage 3 now. I KNOW this one is going to be hard on my leg. Still, i know what they can do, so that probably is the last clutch i'll ever change.

08-17-2015, 06:24 AM	#19
Kingtal0n Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Florida Age: 38 Posts: 4,649 Trader Rating: (17) Feedback Score: 17 reviews	If this is a real problem for you that cannot be fixed by the most simple alternatives (of which there are few to none realistic) and you absolutely needed to drive a manual transmission for some reason (god knows why you wouldn't just go for an auto if you really needed it, the auto would be faster anyways...) then I recommend looking into hydraulic throwout bearings, and figure out a way to get one in there. I know those can be ridiculously soft, I felt a custom job in a 54 chevy once, and you could push down this 800 horsepower engine's clutch pedal with a pinky.

08-18-2015, 02:54 PM	#22
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	__________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

08-18-2015, 03:59 PM	#23
zombiewolf513 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: AZ Age: 33 Posts: 1,682 Trader Rating: (6) Rides Gallery: zombiewolf513 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Hahaha thats awesome, what does that come from?

08-18-2015, 05:04 PM	#24
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	All 90's GTR's __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

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