Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

Go Back   Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum > General > Tech Talk

Tech Talk Technical Discussion About The Nissan 240SX and Nissan Z Cars


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-29-2014, 08:12 PM   #1
Kingtal0n
Post Whore!
 
Kingtal0n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: South Florida
Age: 38
Posts: 4,649
Trader Rating: (17)
Kingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond repute
Feedback Score: 17 reviews
Send a message via AIM to Kingtal0n
Rust under spare tire, wire wheel then re-paint?

A fresh 240 I just picked up has some rust under the spare tire, where the steel wheel lip meets the trunk sump.

I Wire wheeled it clean, easily, it was 1/10 on the scale of bad rust, but still something I wanted to take care of immediately because I literally just got the car and noticed upon inspection (and many other things but they are not the topic of this thread and most I have already encountered so have solutions for prepared).

Next step: Paint it?
Obviously I am not going to put any kind of rust sealant such as por-15. But painting a small patch also seems strange, I suppose I could make small perfect squares in a near color paint approach. This is the topic of the thread to discuss rescue options for on-site inspection topics (as approaching a car for the first time and making subtle appropriate repairs/modifications to remain in a daily driver status that may occasionally transport a passenger or two).
__________________
5.3/4l80e/turbo 240sx playthrough:
https://tinyurl.com/turbo240
Kingtal0n is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 08-29-2014, 09:44 PM   #2
Chaluska
Zilvia Addict
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Missouri City, TX
Age: 38
Posts: 997
Trader Rating: (2)
Chaluska is an unknown quantity at this point
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingtal0n View Post
A fresh 240 I just picked up has some rust under the spare tire, where the steel wheel lip meets the trunk sump.

I Wire wheeled it clean, easily, it was 1/10 on the scale of bad rust, but still something I wanted to take care of immediately because I literally just got the car and noticed upon inspection (and many other things but they are not the topic of this thread and most I have already encountered so have solutions for prepared).

Next step: Paint it?
Obviously I am not going to put any kind of rust sealant such as por-15. But painting a small patch also seems strange, I suppose I could make small perfect squares in a near color paint approach. This is the topic of the thread to discuss rescue options for on-site inspection topics (as approaching a car for the first time and making subtle appropriate repairs/modifications to remain in a daily driver status that may occasionally transport a passenger or two).
just do it the easy way... sand off the rust, and then hit it with some epoxy primer. then rhino line the spare tire area... done
__________________
Chaluska is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2014, 10:33 PM   #3
coupesallday!
Post Whore!
 
coupesallday!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: 661,Lancaster,CA
Posts: 3,216
Trader Rating: (18)
coupesallday! is on a distinguished road
Feedback Score: 18 reviews
Send a message via MSN to coupesallday!
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=297481
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matej View Post
Throw some glitter flake and crazy glue in there.
coupesallday! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2014, 10:39 PM   #4
Kingtal0n
Post Whore!
 
Kingtal0n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: South Florida
Age: 38
Posts: 4,649
Trader Rating: (17)
Kingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond repute
Feedback Score: 17 reviews
Send a message via AIM to Kingtal0n
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaluska View Post
just do it the easy way... sand off the rust, and then hit it with some epoxy primer. then rhino line the spare tire area... done
A great idea... but 1. it involves "adding" weight the car. I may run with no spare, nothing in the rear except the cloth liners that give the 240sx a semblance of having a trunk. I spent all night cleaning out the quarters, I found about $3 in pennys in there. Who puts pennys in those spots!!

2. it permanently changes the trunk area. I usually do not perform modifications to my 240sx that permanently change anything. My usual interest is to clean it up, remove anything practical (weight vs benefit), perform longevity maintenance (this falls under that category, like repairing an oil seal).

Note that #2 does not apply to the original KA engine if it has high mileage because it means swap time is around the corner, so imagine the car with no engine, all washed up and ready. Thats what I see in this chassis.
__________________
5.3/4l80e/turbo 240sx playthrough:
https://tinyurl.com/turbo240
Kingtal0n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2014, 11:04 PM   #5
cchondro
Zilvia Junkie
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: central florida
Age: 29
Posts: 436
Trader Rating: (1)
cchondro is an unknown quantity at this point
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
I used a 415 treatment (or like you stated in the original post, similar to a por-15) on my old coupe a while back.
Just apply and it eats the rust, seals, and protects against further break outs.
Also doesn't add much to any weight. Around the same as paint.
& as far as "permanently" modding your 240sx, I don't see this as a "negative thing", rather a positive thing.

cchondro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2014, 11:26 PM   #6
Kingtal0n
Post Whore!
 
Kingtal0n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: South Florida
Age: 38
Posts: 4,649
Trader Rating: (17)
Kingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond repute
Feedback Score: 17 reviews
Send a message via AIM to Kingtal0n
Quote:
Originally Posted by cchondro View Post
I used a 415 treatment (or like you stated in the original post, similar to a por-15) on my old coupe a while back.
Just apply and it eats the rust, seals, and protects against further break outs.
Also doesn't add much to any weight. Around the same as paint.
& as far as "permanently" modding your 240sx, I don't see this as a "negative thing", rather a positive thing.

Well it looks good on paper. but what about the seam glues? The rear is full of factory glue that interacts with a fringe on the metal. You cant just "por-15" over the seam glue- it is not designed for that. And you can't just paint around it either.
Not to mention the factory paint is looking great, and everything looks very clean and decent in there... Its just those few spots that got a bit of rusty. (on this chassis).

I also need to make a decision about the battery tray. Will I cut a hole for the intercooler? Or work around that. Hmm thats more of a personal choice though.
Kingtal0n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2014, 08:59 AM   #7
cchondro
Zilvia Junkie
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: central florida
Age: 29
Posts: 436
Trader Rating: (1)
cchondro is an unknown quantity at this point
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
It's not going to eat through the factory seam glue.
It's designed to seal and protect, not destroy every other epoxy or glue in it's way.
It laid right on top and sealed around it. Had no issues with the seams coming up, or the
treatment eating through it.

I'd recommend doing more research for yourself. Seems like you don't know all the facts on it yet. Also, it cost right around 100$ for that whole area so it's not expensive either.
Also, you keep complaining about how the factory paint is good under there, and not wanting to "permanently" modify you car. Yet you are also asking about cutting a hole for your IC piping.
(Hope that didn't sound rude)

But as far as battery tray/IC piping. I drilled out the tap welds on mine and then cut a 4x4 square out for my piping. Clean and works like I needed it too.
cchondro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2014, 09:41 AM   #8
Kingtal0n
Post Whore!
 
Kingtal0n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: South Florida
Age: 38
Posts: 4,649
Trader Rating: (17)
Kingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond repute
Feedback Score: 17 reviews
Send a message via AIM to Kingtal0n
Sorry my friend, I like to see my seam glue nice and factory. That black coating is permanent. Always I can add it later if I want...

I think I am just going to clean it up and make small precision paintings with a near color and then put down some carpet/mat under the spare to keep it from rubbing on the paint.

As to the intercooler... I think I will run the sidemount and leave the battery tray (and huge battery ) alone and cleaned as well.
__________________
5.3/4l80e/turbo 240sx playthrough:
https://tinyurl.com/turbo240
Kingtal0n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2014, 06:34 PM   #9
Kingtal0n
Post Whore!
 
Kingtal0n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: South Florida
Age: 38
Posts: 4,649
Trader Rating: (17)
Kingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond repute
Feedback Score: 17 reviews
Send a message via AIM to Kingtal0n
I decided to primer it at least. I Scuffed it up real good, and I am taping it off around the seam glues (so I dont paint over any glue).

there was an area to the left (driver side) where the original foam was "glued" (they use glue from the factory?) to the trunk. So I brushed that mess off... which of course took away some of the paint. So I will primer to whole trunk, to the inside of the seam glues. pics in 12-24 hours (its dark now)
__________________
5.3/4l80e/turbo 240sx playthrough:
https://tinyurl.com/turbo240
Kingtal0n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2014, 11:19 AM   #10
Kingtal0n
Post Whore!
 
Kingtal0n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: South Florida
Age: 38
Posts: 4,649
Trader Rating: (17)
Kingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond reputeKingtal0n has a reputation beyond repute
Feedback Score: 17 reviews
Send a message via AIM to Kingtal0n






So now I steel wool it / wet sand it and... I am deciding whether to actually put down some color or leave it primer gray (grey).

Also, I believe water is getting into the trunk either through the spoiler stud holes, or the tail lights, as both of those are common 240sx spots for leaks.
I know what to do about the tail lights (sticky black goo). But the spoiler studs? Besides welding them shut ....
__________________
5.3/4l80e/turbo 240sx playthrough:
https://tinyurl.com/turbo240
Kingtal0n is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
vB.Sponsors
Copyright © 1998 - 2019, Zilvia.net™