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jdm538 · 12-09-2005, 02:25 AM

i did my manual transmission swap a long time ago on my 98 s14. I used an s13 tranny which does not have the crank positioning sensor on the bellhousing. I have not run a crank positioning sensor, how important is it to have the crank positioning sensor? my car runs fine but i just want to make sure.. thanks

*NemeGuero* · 12-09-2005, 02:30 AM

Its not that important. I'm not using one either. I think its mainly for the EGR for an OBD2.. I plan to re-install it when I get my 'good' tranny.. but just 'cuz I still have the sensor and its only a hole to drill...

Evan

90-240sx · 12-09-2005, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jdm538

i did my manual transmission swap a long time ago on my 98 s14. I used an s13 tranny which does not have the crank positioning sensor on the bellhousing. I have not run a crank positioning sensor, how important is it to have the crank positioning sensor? my car runs fine but i just want to make sure.. thanks

You've been driving without a crank position sensor? is your check engine light on all the time?

*NemeGuero* · 12-09-2005, 10:08 AM

Yes it throws CEL.. but also 'cuz i don't have any EGR anymore.. and for a couple other reasons.

orion::S14 · 12-09-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 90-240sx

You've been driving without a crank position sensor? is your check engine light on all the time?

Like ^^^ said...you will have a CEL.

And so there's no confusion...there are TWO crank position sensors for the S14 KA...the one on the bellhousing is used for diagnosis of misfire ONLY.

The important one (used for timing and RPM, etc...) is built into the distributor...and is more similar to a CAS on an SR.

- Brian

jdm538 · 12-09-2005, 03:06 PM

i didnt know there were two crank positioning sensors, so the other sensor on the bellhousing, is just like having the second O2 sensor its there but doesnt really do much?

projectRDM · 12-09-2005, 04:23 PM

Close. The crankshaft position sensor resides in the bellhousing and is used for OBD monitoring of misfire only, not needed. Tons of cars no longer have them including every one I've ever touched.

The camshaft position sensor is located within the distributor.

BigVinnie · 12-09-2005, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by R240NA

Close. The crankshaft position sensor resides in the bellhousing and is used for OBD monitoring of misfire only, not needed. Tons of cars no longer have them including every one I've ever touched.

The camshaft position sensor is located within the distributor.

thats weird how nissan changes the names and terms from OBD1 to OBD2. OBD 1 calls it the Crank Positioner Sensor, and then in OBD2 it is changed to the cam shaft positioning sensor.......
Every thing should of stayed OBD 1 it is just soooo much easier to work with.....

projectRDM · 12-09-2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigVinnie

thats weird how nissan changes the names and terms from OBD1 to OBD2. OBD 1 calls it the Crank Positioner Sensor, and then in OBD2 it is changed to the cam shaft positioning sensor.......
Every thing should of stayed OBD 1 it is just soooo much easier to work with.....

No they don't. Every S14 FSM calls it the crank position sensor. 95-98.

BigVinnie · 12-09-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by R240NA

No they don't. Every S14 FSM calls it the crank position sensor. 95-98.

The crank shaft positioner sensor is located in the distributor says so in my FSM for s13 OBD1

***S14DB*** · 12-09-2005, 11:13 PM

Some pics of what we are talking about for Reference:

brainfood · 12-09-2005, 11:17 PM

Dont have mine either s13 trans into an s14 car runs great but yes always throws code. its okay though because I dont have the speedo hooked up either heh. As long as the car runs who needs a cas and a speedo??

scir16v · 12-09-2005, 11:25 PM

Do zenki s14's have this sensor?

***S14DB*** · 12-09-2005, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by scir16v

Do zenki s14's have this sensor?

Did you read the thread?

scir16v · 12-10-2005, 12:29 AM

n/m I looked in the fsm. Sorry

*NemeGuero* · 12-10-2005, 12:58 PM

Gimme your tranny s14db!!

***S14DB*** · 12-10-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NemeGuero

Gimme your tranny s14db!!

I'm sure there are some along Ridgewood that you may like...

*NemeGuero* · 12-10-2005, 03:48 PM

Ridgewood?

Al_S14 · 12-10-2005, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigVinnie

The crank shaft positioner sensor is located in the distributor says so in my FSM for s13 OBD1

its position not positioner... sensor doesnt actualy position anything it jsut reads where its at.people, if we;re going to argue about something lets at least lets use right terminology

BigVinnie · 12-10-2005, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Al_S14

its position not positioner... sensor doesnt actualy position anything it jsut reads where its at.people, if we;re going to argue about something lets at least lets use right terminology

Shure..... If it makes you and everyone else happy........ But you still know what I meant.... waste of bandwidth

nigel1 · 12-11-2005, 01:12 AM

thanks for this thread...

I have a quick question... the cps is on the tranny, but where... I havent looked (sorry) becuase im throwing that code, and I wasn't sure where it was, plus I can never find an s14 FSmanual.

would anyone hapen to have any links? thanks!

infinitexsound · 12-11-2005, 01:27 AM

hmm u might want to check the harness connection nigel, im throwing the same code for about a year. considering that the sensor just broke into pieces from weird ass reasons i dont know.. u can feel it behind ur engine.. on top of the bellhousing.

nigel1 · 12-11-2005, 01:30 AM

thanks man. ill do that.

I was also under the impression that you cant check CEL's unless you have a codereader.. is that correct? (s14 obd2)

infinitexsound · 12-11-2005, 01:37 AM

u dont need a scantool to read codes.... u can turn that little screw knob on ur ecu and read the engine light flashes to figure out the code.. check the fsm for that

*NemeGuero* · 12-11-2005, 10:27 AM

It's the one in the pictures that s14DB posted... the one going through the top of the bellhousing.. that's the CPS

sean350z · 12-14-2005, 07:38 PM

sorry to highjack the thread...but this came up in search....

i'm in the process of disconnecting all harnesses on my KA to prep for removal and am stuck trying to disconnect the crankposition sensor harness and also the starter harness directly in front of the crankposition sensor...

how the hell do i get these out....???

*NemeGuero* · 12-14-2005, 08:15 PM

Just take the starter off.. and if you look a couple posts off, you'll see how the CPS is bolted on. That should tell you how to get it off.. I had to bend the shield out of the way.

***S14DB*** · 12-14-2005, 09:30 PM

There is a lead off the CPS that comes down to between the starter and the slave cyl. to a connector there. you can take off that connector and leave that lead attached.

Jeremy_240_Zenki · 07-02-2019, 06:39 AM

I know, sorry to revive this, Is there a way to bypass this sensor, I bought an s14 SR20det, and didn't realize till it was too late that they sent me a damn s13 transmission. I just don't want a CEL if i can. Trying to do a real clean swap. Also will my wiring specialties harness mate up with the s13 reverse and neutral sensors / Speed sensors? I just finished cleaning and doing preventative maintenance on the block (Timing/RAS/Belts/Hoses/Seals/ etc) and i'm ready to drop it in the car.

*brndck* · 07-02-2019, 10:48 AM

uhhhhh just drill a hole in the bellhousing. the sensor reads off the flywheel passing by, so i'm not sure how you would bypass that. You'd have to simulate it somehow.

12-09-2005, 02:25 AM	#1
jdm538 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: LA/OC SOCAL Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (30) Feedback Score: 30 reviews	S14 crank positioning sensor?? i did my manual transmission swap a long time ago on my 98 s14. I used an s13 tranny which does not have the crank positioning sensor on the bellhousing. I have not run a crank positioning sensor, how important is it to have the crank positioning sensor? my car runs fine but i just want to make sure.. thanks

12-09-2005, 02:30 AM	#2
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Its not that important. I'm not using one either. I think its mainly for the EGR for an OBD2.. I plan to re-install it when I get my 'good' tranny.. but just 'cuz I still have the sensor and its only a hole to drill... Evan __________________

12-09-2005, 10:08 AM	#4
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Yes it throws CEL.. but also 'cuz i don't have any EGR anymore.. and for a couple other reasons. __________________

12-09-2005, 04:23 PM	#7
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 47 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Close. The crankshaft position sensor resides in the bellhousing and is used for OBD monitoring of misfire only, not needed. Tons of cars no longer have them including every one I've ever touched. The camshaft position sensor is located within the distributor. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

12-09-2005, 11:13 PM	#11
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Some pics of what we are talking about for Reference: __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

12-09-2005, 03:06 PM	#6
jdm538 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: LA/OC SOCAL Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (30) Feedback Score: 30 reviews	i didnt know there were two crank positioning sensors, so the other sensor on the bellhousing, is just like having the second O2 sensor its there but doesnt really do much?

12-09-2005, 11:17 PM	#12
brainfood Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Eagle Rock, CA Age: 38 Posts: 2,957 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	Dont have mine either s13 trans into an s14 car runs great but yes always throws code. its okay though because I dont have the speedo hooked up either heh. As long as the car runs who needs a cas and a speedo?? __________________ Bryan Rogers http://www.seriousbadass.com

12-09-2005, 11:25 PM	#13
scir16v Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: St. Louis Posts: 171 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Do zenki s14's have this sensor? __________________ Scott Driving Angle Motorsports

12-10-2005, 12:29 AM	#15
scir16v Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: St. Louis Posts: 171 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	n/m I looked in the fsm. Sorry __________________ Scott Driving Angle Motorsports

12-10-2005, 12:58 PM	#16
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Gimme your tranny s14db!! __________________

12-10-2005, 03:48 PM	#18
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Ridgewood? __________________

12-11-2005, 01:12 AM	#21
nigel1 Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Fresno Ca Posts: 256 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks for this thread... I have a quick question... the cps is on the tranny, but where... I havent looked (sorry) becuase im throwing that code, and I wasn't sure where it was, plus I can never find an s14 FSmanual. would anyone hapen to have any links? thanks! __________________ +0 offset PWNS me

12-11-2005, 01:27 AM	#22
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 39 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hmm u might want to check the harness connection nigel, im throwing the same code for about a year. considering that the sensor just broke into pieces from weird ass reasons i dont know.. u can feel it behind ur engine.. on top of the bellhousing. __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...

12-11-2005, 01:30 AM	#23
nigel1 Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Fresno Ca Posts: 256 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks man. ill do that. I was also under the impression that you cant check CEL's unless you have a codereader.. is that correct? (s14 obd2) __________________ +0 offset PWNS me

12-11-2005, 01:37 AM	#24
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 39 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	u dont need a scantool to read codes.... u can turn that little screw knob on ur ecu and read the engine light flashes to figure out the code.. check the fsm for that __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...

12-11-2005, 10:27 AM	#25
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	It's the one in the pictures that s14DB posted... the one going through the top of the bellhousing.. that's the CPS __________________

12-14-2005, 07:38 PM	#26
sean350z Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 890 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: sean350z Feedback Score: 5 reviews	sorry to highjack the thread...but this came up in search.... i'm in the process of disconnecting all harnesses on my KA to prep for removal and am stuck trying to disconnect the crankposition sensor harness and also the starter harness directly in front of the crankposition sensor... how the hell do i get these out....???

12-14-2005, 08:15 PM	#27
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Just take the starter off.. and if you look a couple posts off, you'll see how the CPS is bolted on. That should tell you how to get it off.. I had to bend the shield out of the way. __________________

12-14-2005, 09:30 PM	#28
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	There is a lead off the CPS that comes down to between the starter and the slave cyl. to a connector there. you can take off that connector and leave that lead attached. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

07-02-2019, 06:39 AM	#29
Jeremy_240_Zenki Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NW Arkansas Age: 39 Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Old Thread I know, sorry to revive this, Is there a way to bypass this sensor, I bought an s14 SR20det, and didn't realize till it was too late that they sent me a damn s13 transmission. I just don't want a CEL if i can. Trying to do a real clean swap. Also will my wiring specialties harness mate up with the s13 reverse and neutral sensors / Speed sensors? I just finished cleaning and doing preventative maintenance on the block (Timing/RAS/Belts/Hoses/Seals/ etc) and i'm ready to drop it in the car.

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