S13 w/ S14 LCA,spindle = S14 Tie rods in/out? - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

MrFairlady · 04-07-2009, 08:52 PM

trying to confirm if I'm running Full S14 LCA and Kunckle up front,..do I need a Set of Inner and outer's for S14 or S13 inner and S14 out?

Last peice of my Build puzzle really.

Guess it wouldn't matter as they should all be the same (S13/S14) or The Rack is what makes them Diff S13 to S14?

Sileighty_85 · 04-07-2009, 08:57 PM

you can use S13 tie rods and ball joints with the S14 knuckles

whyrun? · 04-07-2009, 08:58 PM

when i put my 5 lug on my s13 i originally used S14 lca's w/ s13 tie rods and i had some wierd toe. i put my s13 lca's back on for the time being.

projectRDM · 04-08-2009, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by whyrun?

when i put my 5 lug on my s13 i originally used S14 lca's w/ s13 tie rods and i had some wierd toe. i put my s13 lca's back on for the time being.

The S14 LCA is 15mm longer, hence the toe issues. You can realign it just fine.

As to the OP- The S13 tie rod is a smaller diameter so you cannot mix/match tie rod ends between chassis. You can use however either one as a set, S13 or S14, or Z32, Z33, etc. like SPL will suggest to you on their site. The spindle hole for the tie rod end is the same size.

SoSideways · 04-08-2009, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sileighty_85

you can use S13 tie rods and ball joints with the S14 knuckles

You can't use S13 ball joints with the S14 knuckles.

The ball joint stud taper is different between the S13 and S14 ball joints, and knuckles too.

whyrun? · 04-08-2009, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoSideways

You can't use S13 ball joints with the S14 knuckles.

The ball joint stud taper is different between the S13 and S14 ball joints, and knuckles too.

This man is correct. You can do it, BUT ITS NOT SAFE TO OPERATE ON ANY ROADWAY.

Thank you RDM. So 15mm longer, that gives me 30mm total more tract?

Sileighty_85 · 04-08-2009, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoSideways

You can't use S13 ball joints with the S14 knuckles.

The ball joint stud taper is different between the S13 and S14 ball joints, and knuckles too.

haha i fail at explaining

I was refering to the outer Tie Rod ball joints not the LCA ball joints. :P

projectRDM · 04-08-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by whyrun?

This man is correct. You can do it, BUT ITS NOT SAFE TO OPERATE ON ANY ROADWAY.

Thank you RDM. So 15mm longer, that gives me 30mm total more tract?

Correct. You then dial the camber back out up top, as the added length affects the camber a little.

Gription · 04-08-2009, 01:46 PM

Just to make sure I am understanding all of this correctly;
To use S14 front spindles on and S13 you NEED S14 control arms (that's with s14 ball joints, not s13 ball joints correct?), you can use S13 inner and outer tie rods, and everything else will bolt up without any issues correct?
Then, the extra 15mm length of the s14 control arms will result in more negative camber in conjunction with S13 tie rods correct?
I am about to do this swap and I want to make sure I have everything I need before I get started.

japslapsilvia · 04-08-2009, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gription

Just to make sure I am understanding all of this correctly;
To use S14 front spindles on and S13 you NEED S14 control arms (that's with s14 ball joints, not s13 ball joints correct?), you can use S13 inner and outer tie rods, and everything else will bolt up without any issues correct?
Then, the extra 15mm length of the s14 control arms will result in more negative camber in conjunction with S13 tie rods correct?
I am about to do this swap and I want to make sure I have everything I need before I get started.

correct.

BUT you dont have to use the s-14 lower control arm, you can use s-13 lower control arm and press in s-14 ball joint.

Gription · 04-08-2009, 09:16 PM

Yeah, I know that is an option but I'm going for more camber. And and s14 lca's WILL work without modding right?

singlecamslam · 04-08-2009, 09:20 PM

You have to buy the little adapters for the mounting holes on the spindle because s14 uses 14 mm bolts and s13 uses 12mm. You can buy them or drill it out.

MrFairlady · 04-08-2009, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gription

Yeah, I know that is an option but I'm going for more camber. And and s14 lca's WILL work without modding right?

I believe you get a tad more neg camber w/ the Full LCA which is what I'm running.
**Thread jack Over**
All my stuff is already installed.
I lost the Nuts (that secure it to the Spindle) to my Outer Tie rod ends and don't want to "Rig" ANYTHING w/ them so I guess I'll get some new ones - Trying to figure out what to buy.May Go SPL being this is something that Gets SERIOUS Abuse.

Needed to know which to buy S14,S13 or whatever - Guess I can ask SPL what they would run.

projectRDM · 04-09-2009, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gription

Yeah, I know that is an option but I'm going for more camber. And and s14 lca's WILL work without modding right?

Direct bolt on. Nothing is required.

luckky · 05-09-2009, 10:56 AM

so there is to options correct?

option #1 - s14 spindle, s14 lca including s14 balljoint, and all s13 tie rods.

option #2 - s14 spindle, s13 lca, s14 pressed in balljoint, and all s13 tie rods.

i am also in same position because i cheaped out and got conversion hubs and they are not doing the trick for me! So i want to make sure also that i buy the right shit seeing i will be going to the dealer to get it and i would rather not spend all the money only to find out i bought the wrong stuff. Thanks zilvia for all help!

singlecamslam · 05-09-2009, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luckky

so there is to options correct?

option #1 - s14 spindle, s14 lca including s14 balljoint, and all s13 tie rods.

option #2 - s14 spindle, s14 lca, s13 pressed in balljoint, and all s13 tie rods.

i am also in same position because i cheaped out and got conversion hubs and they are not doing the trick for me! So i want to make sure also that i buy the right shit seeing i will be going to the dealer to get it and i would rather not spend all the money only to find out i bought the wrong stuff. Thanks zilvia for all help!

Its not hard to understand. If you have the s14 spindle you NEED s14 balljoint. Doesnt matter if its an s13 LCA, s14 spindle goes only with s14 balljoint.

luckky · 05-09-2009, 03:08 PM

true, edited my second option

04-08-2009, 09:20 PM	#12
singlecamslam Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Norcal Posts: 2,531 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	You have to buy the little adapters for the mounting holes on the spindle because s14 uses 14 mm bolts and s13 uses 12mm. You can buy them or drill it out. __________________ Nothing says racecar like a stock car with no interior.

05-09-2009, 10:56 AM	#15
luckky Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto Age: 35 Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so there is to options correct? option #1 - s14 spindle, s14 lca including s14 balljoint, and all s13 tie rods. option #2 - s14 spindle, s13 lca, s14 pressed in balljoint, and all s13 tie rods. i am also in same position because i cheaped out and got conversion hubs and they are not doing the trick for me! So i want to make sure also that i buy the right shit seeing i will be going to the dealer to get it and i would rather not spend all the money only to find out i bought the wrong stuff. Thanks zilvia for all help! __________________ the rollin elite Last edited by luckky; 05-09-2009 at 03:08 PM..

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luckky Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto Age: 35 Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	true, edited my second option __________________ the rollin elite

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MrFairlady Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fascination Street,N.C Age: 42 Posts: 1,701 Trader Rating: (31) Rides Gallery: MrFairlady Feedback Score: 31 reviews	S13 w/ S14 LCA,spindle = S14 Tie rods in/out? trying to confirm if I'm running Full S14 LCA and Kunckle up front,..do I need a Set of Inner and outer's for S14 or S13 inner and S14 out? Last peice of my Build puzzle really. Guess it wouldn't matter as they should all be the same (S13/S14) or The Rack is what makes them Diff S13 to S14? __________________ z-tERty-2

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whyrun? BANNED Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ME Age: 35 Posts: 374 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	when i put my 5 lug on my s13 i originally used S14 lca's w/ s13 tie rods and i had some wierd toe. i put my s13 lca's back on for the time being.

04-08-2009, 01:46 PM	#9
Gription Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: South FL Posts: 297 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Just to make sure I am understanding all of this correctly; To use S14 front spindles on and S13 you NEED S14 control arms (that's with s14 ball joints, not s13 ball joints correct?), you can use S13 inner and outer tie rods, and everything else will bolt up without any issues correct? Then, the extra 15mm length of the s14 control arms will result in more negative camber in conjunction with S13 tie rods correct? I am about to do this swap and I want to make sure I have everything I need before I get started.

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Gription Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: South FL Posts: 297 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Yeah, I know that is an option but I'm going for more camber. And and s14 lca's WILL work without modding right?