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soreballz · 10-26-2008, 04:35 PM

From here:
[Election 2008] 25 Reasons Why John Sidney McCain III Sucks - News - OC Weekly page 1 - OC Weekly

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Originally Posted by Article from OC Weekly

1. He’s a closet neocon.
According to Rolling Stone, McCain privately calls himself “the original neocon.” McCain began pushing for war with Iraq in the ‘90s, and within hours of the World Trade Center attacks he was on talk shows insisting Iraq was developing WMDs. Pre-war, he repeatedly stated we would win easily. Later, after the war became a disaster, McCain pretended he’d always been against it. “The American people were led to believe this could be some kind of day at the beach,” he said in 2006, “which many of us fully understood from the beginning would be a very, very difficult undertaking.”

2. Elect McCain, and you can expect more pointless, bloody wars.
McCain clearly has his sights set on Iran, for starters. Retired general John H. Johns, McCain’s former friend, says if McCain’s elected, he’ll be “Bush on steroids... He puts military at the top of foreign policy rather than diplomacy.”

3. He doesn’t know when to hold ’em or fold ’em.
McCain’s got a gambling jones. He blows thousands per game playing craps. John Weaver, McCain’s former chief strategist, told Time, “Enjoying craps opens up a window on a central thread constant in John’s life... Taking a chance, playing against the odds.” Suddenly it makes sense why McCain chose a moose-hunting beauty queen for his running mate: It was a huge gamble. We can’t risk McCain “rolling snake eyes” with America’s future.

4. He’ll destroy what’s left of the economy.
McCain has admitted that “economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.” With the economy so grim that every morning you pray your corner ATM still dispenses cash, do you want to hand things over to a guy who declared this March he’s “always for less regulation”? One of the Keating Five? Mister “The fundamentals of our economy are strong”? Elect McCain, and blame yourself when your family is staying warm by burning your useless checkbooks.

5. That awful woman.
I don’t even want to get started on Sarah Palin, or this list will quickly turn into 25 reasons why she sucks. Let me just say that Palin is so horrible that people who like her are a danger to themselves and others, and shouldn’t be allowed to walk around without protective headgear.

6. When Karl Rove says your campaign’s lies have gone too far, you’ve gone too far.
McCain’s running a revoltingly sleazy campaign, but it’ll be tough to sink lower than his commercial suggesting Obama wanted to teach kindergartners about sex. (“Learning about sex before learning to read?”) The ad implies teachers would be telling kids how to find the G-spot before naptime, but the bill Obama co-sponsored would actually have focused on age-appropriate topics like how to avoid molestation. Imagine if Obama’s ad people were willing to twist the truth like that: “John McCain doesn’t want little kids to know about the dangers of pedophiles. Does John McCain like pedophiles?”

7. He’s Charles Keating Jr.’s ex-BFF.
In the late ‘80s, Charles Keating Jr., owner of Irvine-based Lincoln Savings and Loan, also owned McCain’s ass. McCain and four other senators (the infamous “Keating Five”) received ample campaign contributions from Keating. McCain partied like a pimp on Keating’s dime, enjoying what he called “Charlie Keating’s Shangri-La.” Keating actually boasted to reporters about buying McCain’s loyalty. The Keating Five pressured regulators to overlook Keating’s illegal activities, leading to a bank failure costing taxpayers over $120 billion by some estimates. It was a dress rehearsal for our current horror show, with McCain at center stage. McCain officially cut ties to Keating in 1987. His wife’s business partnership with Keating lasted until 1998, but McCain insists he didn’t know.

8. He agrees with Bush 95 percent of the time.
McCain’s trying to distance himself from the unpopular Bush, but in 2007 McCain voted with Bush 95 percent of the time, according to Factcheck.org. Seriously, your dog doesn’t even agree with you 95 percent of the time.

9. He’s very old.
Things McCain is older than: Life Magazine, World War II, the Golden Gate Bridge and Keith Richards. In 2000, McCain himself suggested he’d be too old to run by 2008, saying, “I think I might be ready to go down to the old soldiers’ home.”

10. He’s in lousy health.
He’s endured four bouts of malignant melanoma, the deadliest form of skin cancer. Ominously, McCain refuses to allow full access to his medical records.

11. His age and health really matter.
It’s not unlikely McCain would croak in office. Then we’d be stuck with Palin, and W’s administration would seem like the good old days.

12. He’s such an asshole, other Republicans hate him.
Various Republican senators have described McCain tantrums where he shouts profanity and shoves people. “It was incidents of irrational behavior,” said Bob Smith. John LeBoutillier calls McCain a “vicious person,” adding, “Nearly all the Republican senators endorsed Bush because they knew McCain from serving with him in the Senate.” Thad Cochran claims that during 1987 diplomatic talks in Nicaragua, McCain went nuts and grabbed a Sandinista official. This January, Cochran said, “The thought of [McCain] being president sends a cold chill down my spine.” (Cochran has since endorsed McCain. You can’t really blame him... would you want to be on McCain’s bad side?)

13. Seriously, he’s a total asshole.
“At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.” —McCain to his wife in 1992, in full earshot of reporters, after she joked about his thinning hair.

14. Wow, is he an asshole.
“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.” —A McCain joke from 1998. (Karma in action: Little Chelsea grew up to be a stone fox, while the once-handsome McCain now has a head like a moldy biscuit.)

15. He’s an asshole, asshole, asshole.
When McCain returned from Vietnam, his then-wife had been in an accident that left her five inches shorter and on crutches. While the mother of his children was undergoing painful physical therapy, McCain cheated on her and eventually dumped her for a younger, prettier and richer girl (the current Mrs. McCain).

16. Did we mention he’s an asshole?
McCain has repeatedly clashed with families of POW-MIAs, and in 1996 one clash turned particularly ugly. A woman in a wheelchair equipped with portable oxygen approached him to ask about her son. Witnesses say McCain raised his arm to strike her before shoving her wheelchair away. Forget running the country, you shouldn’t trust McCain to watch your cat.

17. No abortions for you.
McCain has said, “I do not support Roe v. Wade. It should be overturned.” Palin, meanwhile, wouldn’t let you have an abortion even if your dad raped you.

18. If McCain wins, expect more Katrinas.
McCain swears he’d never mismanage a disaster response like Bush mismanaged Katrina. But after Katrina, McCain actually voted against emergency funding for Louisiana and Medicaid and unemployment for Katrina victims. (And where was McCain the day Katrina hit? In Arizona, celebrating his birthday with Bush. Cameras captured the pair cutting into a big cake and grinning like newlyweds.)

19. He’s a self-described “computer illiterate.”
In an age when a cyber-terrorist attack could cripple America, should we elect a dude who doesn’t understand what the kids are doing with those infernal machines?

20. “Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.”
McCain criticized Obama for publicly discussing his plans for Pakistan... after McCain announced his own aggressive intentions toward Iran in song form.

21. His “senior moments.”
McCain’s had troubling memory lapses. He referred to the “Iraq/Pakistan border,” forgetting Iran is between those countries. He addressed a rally as “my fellow prisoners,” suggesting he may be having ‘Nam flashbacks on the campaign trail. In an interview, he mistook Spanish Prime Minister Zapatero for the head of a Latin American dictatorship, refusing to say if he would meet with him.

22. His environmentalist talk is a bunch of greenhouse gas.
He told The Orange County Register “addressing climate change effectively” is one way he’ll distinguish his administration from Bush’s. But in 2007, McCain earned a zero score from the League of Conservation Voters, and if he dies in office, we’ll be stuck with Ms. Drill-Baby-Drill.

23. He “palled around with terrorists.”
In the ‘80s, McCain was on the advisory board of the American branch of the World Anti-Communist League, an ultra-conservative group linked to Nazi collaborators and Central American death squads. McCain claims he resigned in 1984, but the group has no record of his ever leaving. And McCain has the stones to attack Obama for briefly serving on an educational board with a ‘60s radical-turned-tweedy professor?

24. He supports torture.
In 2007, McCain rightly denounced waterboarding as torture, noting that it was used in the Spanish Inquisition. But he later hailed Bush for vetoing an anti-waterboarding bill, and voted against it himself. McCain’s been tortured himself, he knows firsthand how horrible it is... and he supports torture.

25. Mr. “Straight Talk” has no integrity.
McCain has cozied up to the fundamentalists he once dismissed as “agents of intolerance.” He’s pushed for the tax cuts and oil drilling he once opposed. He’s hired the guys who sank his 2000 presidential bid with a whisper campaign about his “illegitimate black child”—the same guys he once said deserve a “special place in hell.” And, oh yeah, he now supports torture. During McCain’s August appearance at OC’s Saddleback Church, he described himself as a “very imperfect person.” Well, at least we know he’s honest about something.

Discuss.

niSm095 · 10-26-2008, 04:45 PM

kind of a liberal slant on that one...either way. he's a d-bag. I hate politics.

Gnnr · 10-26-2008, 05:04 PM

HalveBlue · 10-26-2008, 05:05 PM

What's there to discuss?

The race is already decided. Obama will win.

It never mattered what McCain stood for, as much as what he stood against. He was unable to distance himself enough from Bush and his policies.

McCain is seen simply too much like Bush. And nobody wants at least another 4 years of Bush's policies.

Think about it, in the chronicles of history the Bush administration will forever be associated with the following: the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, failures to care properly for those Soldier injured in those wars, the Patriot Act, Hurricane Katrina (the arguably greatest natural disaster in American history), Sept. 11th, A gas hike from $1.25 to $4.00 a gallon, an economic disaster, distancing itself from every other Western nation, lying and cheating the American people, a widening gap between rich and poor (the middle class is disappearing).

Face it, there's a huge demographic shift going on in this country now and A LOT of things have happened since 2000 that have shaped young people's minds. Young people that would have graduated college and would now be old enough to start making babies, starting families, you know, become established. I don't know any of them that are saying 2008 is exactly the way I imagined it to be.

Who's in the mood for more of the last 8 years? Not me. And not anybody I know either.

98s14inaz · 10-26-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by soreballz

From here:
[Election 2008] 25 Reasons Why John Sidney McCain III Sucks - News - OC Weekly page 1 - OC Weekly

Discuss.

How cute, did you get that in an email and then post it here?

How about citing some sources for some of those accusations instead of this liberal diarrhea of the mouth. Any idiot can cut and paste. Discuss.

**RJF** · 10-26-2008, 06:01 PM

I could post 100 reasons why Barrack Hussein Obama sucks, except my reasons would be based on facts.

Matej · 10-26-2008, 06:02 PM

Haha the republicans are here.

How about you disprove all 25 of those statements with facts?

**RJF** · 10-26-2008, 06:09 PM

How about you name some real accomplishments for Obama? My previous challenge in another thread has gone unanswered, except for some BS Illinois senate laws or resolutions. What has he done for this country?

Matej · 10-26-2008, 06:14 PM

Nothing.

And nothing is better than McCain's "accomplishments" in my book, because nothing at least doesn't affect the country and its people in a negative manner.

spikNspan · 10-26-2008, 06:21 PM

LOL, here we go again.

And it's not about what he has done, but what he will do.

**RJF** · 10-26-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spikNspan

And it's not about what he has done, but what he will do.

Raise taxes and kill the economy....nice plan for the future.

Explain to me exactly what he is going to do?

Matej · 10-26-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RJF

Raise taxes and kill the economy....nice plan for the future.

Explain to me exactly what he is going to do?

INCOME TAX

Overall Strategy
OBAMA: progressive taxation, tax poor/middle classes less and upper class more, stop wasting billions in Iraq
MCCAIN: flat taxation - leave tax cuts for upper class, then eventually move towards taxing all taxpayers at same rate, keep wasting billions in Iraq
Drac: Progressive taxation is simply more reasonable than flat taxation. Obama's plan will generate more tax revenue and support a more equitable distribution of wealth. McCain's revenue reducing tax policy contrasts with his promise to stay in Iraq as long as he's willing to produce intelligence which states there are a few people running around Iraq calling themselves al Qaeda. How can he reconcile these dogmatic approaches? Obamas plan just makes more sense (not that it is the perfect plan, just that it's better than McCains which isnt saying much at all).

Specifics:

under $75k
OBAMA: cut taxes
MCAIN: same
Drac: cutting taxes for those who's taxes represent the highest % of disposable income currently makes better sense than not doing so. Positively effects millions of lives while not costing the gov't much revenue.

$75k-$250k
OBAMA: same
MCCAIN: same
Drac: candidates agree

$250k+
OBAMA: raise by 3%
MCCAIN: same
Drac: raising more tax revenue by raising the tax rate on the wealthiest 1% of americans by 3% is a good idea.

SENIOR CITIZENS <$50k
OBAMA: eliminate taxes
MCCAIN: same
Drac: Drac: eliminating taxes for the elderly frees up their money and takes financial burden from families who have to support their aging relatives.

PAYROLL TAX
OBAMA: eliminate cap for those making over $250k per year, provide $500/$1000 credits to reduce payroll tax liability
MCCAIN: same
Drac: raising the cap will have negative consequences on the people making over $250k (about 1% of workers), but it will increase tax revenue. this is necessary to provide the tax credits to effectively lower payroll tax liability of most americans.

CAPITAL GAINS TAX
OBAMA: 20%
MCCAIN: 15%
Drac: We are currently on the left side of the laffer curve, and studies show raising capital gains tax to 20% would increase revenue without discouraging investment. Ignoring this is a bad idea, especially given McCain's desire to continue wasteful spending while siumultaneosly reducing tax revenue, particularly the wasteful Iraq war he seeks to prolong indefinitely. By raising the tax back to 20% some studies estimate that an additional $100 billion in revenue could be generated for the federal government without reducing investment.

SPENDING CUTS
While Obama and McCain both propose their fair share of spending cuts, and Obama has more spending planned than McCain domestically, these facts are overshadowed because McCain wants to continue spending billions on the Iraq war and wishes to increase military spending to continue expanding the war on terror. As far as offering a balanced approach to budgeting Obama is clearly the more desirable candidate.

**RJF** · 10-26-2008, 06:33 PM

How about BHO's plans to raise Capital Gains taxes? And Corporate taxes?

Who do you think creates jobs? If I were a corporation, I would outsource jobs overseas and incorporate my company in Bermuda to avoid those higher taxes.

His plans are going to cost jobs.

Matej · 10-26-2008, 06:35 PM

Corporations are outsourcing domestic jobs mainly because of unions and labor laws. Unions are one of the main reasons why domestic automakers are having a hard time, there have been countless White House meetings about this. It would be far from cost effective to outsource just to avoid slightly higher taxes.

*Agamemnon* · 10-26-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Matej

support a more equitable distribution of wealth

And thats where I get off the Obama train.

spikNspan · 10-26-2008, 06:43 PM

Oh man, I have so many things to say back, but there's no point in arguing on this forum anymore so I'll just watch and laugh.

keep

guys

DOOK · 10-26-2008, 06:43 PM

guess what Obama supporters?

He's not the second coming...

guess what McCain supporters?

He's not either

guess what?

They are both so full of shit it's rediculous

Matej · 10-26-2008, 06:52 PM

Yeah I don't even care for Obama.
The only reason I defend him is because I can't stand McCain, I cringe when I imagine that man as the head of a country.
Thanks for posting the list soreballz.

raz0rbladez909 · 10-26-2008, 07:23 PM

So since none of us seem to like either one of these guys why vote for either? I honestly don't know how they got so popular in the first place but its pathetic how we say "I'm voting for this one because i can't stand the other" Vote for a third party or something but don't help either one if you don't like them. I can't wait til this bullshit is over.

politics

240trainee · 10-26-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Matej

Yeah I don't even care for Obama.
The only reason I defend him is because I can't stand McCain, I cringe when I imagine that man as the head of a country.

Yep, I agree with this 100%

*Agamemnon* · 10-26-2008, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

So since none of us seem to like either one of these guys why vote for either? I honestly don't know how they got so popular in the first place but its pathetic how we say "I'm voting for this one because i can't stand the other" Vote for a third party or something but don't help either one if you don't like them. I can't wait til this bullshit is over.

politics

Because that would just throw away your vote. Vote for the lesser of two evils.

DOOK · 10-26-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Because that would just throw away your vote. Vote for the lesser of two evils.

so is that like saying... well I'm going to have to kill myself... will it be by gunshot or overdose?

retarded logic

HalveBlue · 10-26-2008, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

So since none of us seem to like either one of these guys why vote for either? I honestly don't know how they got so popular in the first place but its pathetic how we say "I'm voting for this one because i can't stand the other" Vote for a third party or something but don't help either one if you don't like them. I can't wait til this bullshit is over.

politics

The two party race is a direct consequence of the structure of America's political system. The way the system operates allows to parties to effectively monopolize the political process from federal level political posts all the way down to local government positions.

The Republican and Democratic Parties are like two huge corporations that are so equally rich and powerful that they can never win clear dominance over one another. But they are brutally quick and efficient to erradicate, or in rare cases reduce to political insignificance, any independent or third party political movements that vie to reduce their market share: YOU!

It's not that there aren't better candidates out there. It's that they can't consistently manage to grapple enough of the market share away from the two big parties to stay alive. The winner-take-all system found in the American electoral system isn't conducive towards creating a mult-party Congress like you'd find in many other democratic countries.

Until another political party can consistently receive 30% in elections nothing will change and you'll continue to see more or less only Democratic or Republican politicians in office. The inevitable consequence of this process is the further ingraining of traditional party values and platforms in the American political process -no matter how out of touch with reality- and the stifling of intelligent political discourse.

*Agamemnon* · 10-26-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOK

so is that like saying... well I'm going to have to kill myself... will it be by gunshot or overdose?

retarded logic

That's an easy one. Overdose. You just said you have to kill your self. President has to be elected. Choose the lesser of two evils.

If you think a third party will ever get elected, then you're the pie in the sky retard.

**Phlip** · 10-26-2008, 08:14 PM

Don't forget to say "Barack Hussein Obama," just the way McCain taught you to, then stand behind the fact that once his sheep were afraid, the way BUSH taught them to be, took the high road of "repudiating" anyone who does so.
Don't let that stop you.
McCain and Palin will join you by talking about "palling around with terrorists," ignoring that McCain has "palled around" with terrorists of his own and Palin's own husband was a member of a group who tried to secede. Keep saying "Barack Hussein Obama" so people that won't care enough to look for more information will think that he is an Arab, which John McCain suggested makes him NOT a "decent, family man." Do what you must to keep him out of office, you must continue to protect the right of the uber rich to continue to fuck those who must live without.

Gentlemen, that is colloquially known as "throwing rocks and hiding your hands."
As a child, when caught doing shit like this, my parents BEAT MY ASS... I know better than to do this shit now. The asswhooping this time comes in the form of a vote against of a McCain/Palin presidency.

Personally, as high profile GOP people (not shit talkers on the internet who believe every morsel of bullshit fed to them in stump speeches) continue to bail on McCain, largely BECAUSE of Palin, I am looking for GWB to try something drastic, like stupidly bombing another country or something like that.
However, with W's fleeting popularity, the best thing he could do for a McCaint victory is to support Obama.

Omarius Maximus · 10-26-2008, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJF

How about BHO's plans to raise Capital Gains taxes? And Corporate taxes?

Who do you think creates jobs? If I were a corporation, I would outsource jobs overseas and incorporate my company in Bermuda to avoid those higher taxes.

His plans are going to cost jobs.

Sorry dude, it's hard to take you seriously when you have that ridiculous sig. Looks like someone's been duped by Rethuglican talking points. It's the McCarthy/Red Scare era all over again.

murda-c · 10-26-2008, 08:20 PM

The fact that no one believes a third party will ever get elected is probably the main reason one never is.

**Phlip** · 10-26-2008, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by murda-c

The fact that no one believes a third party will ever get elected is probably the main reason one never is.

The onus of proving one's self electable falls squarely on the candidate looking to be elected.
Losing your own party's primary is a step AGAINST that. Inability to maintain a profile high enough to compete against the big dogs is the next.

ESmorz · 10-26-2008, 08:37 PM

ranger240 · 10-26-2008, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soreballz

"With the economy so grim that every morning you pray your corner ATM still dispenses cash"

all you need to read to understand how under-informed and stupid the author is. FDIC 250k deposit insurance? whats that?

10-26-2008, 05:04 PM	#3
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10-26-2008, 06:01 PM	#6
RJF Super Administrator & Bean Counter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lone Tree, CO Posts: 2,400 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I could post 100 reasons why Barrack Hussein Obama sucks, except my reasons would be based on facts. __________________ *Zilvia.net...Where the Truth Hurts and Pain Builds Character*

10-26-2008, 06:09 PM	#8
RJF Super Administrator & Bean Counter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lone Tree, CO Posts: 2,400 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How about you name some real accomplishments for Obama? My previous challenge in another thread has gone unanswered, except for some BS Illinois senate laws or resolutions. What has he done for this country? __________________ *Zilvia.net...Where the Truth Hurts and Pain Builds Character*

10-26-2008, 06:21 PM	#10
spikNspan Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Jeezy Age: 35 Posts: 488 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	LOL, here we go again. And it's not about what he has done, but what he will do. __________________

10-26-2008, 06:33 PM	#13
RJF Super Administrator & Bean Counter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lone Tree, CO Posts: 2,400 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How about BHO's plans to raise Capital Gains taxes? And Corporate taxes? Who do you think creates jobs? If I were a corporation, I would outsource jobs overseas and incorporate my company in Bermuda to avoid those higher taxes. His plans are going to cost jobs. __________________ *Zilvia.net...Where the Truth Hurts and Pain Builds Character*

10-26-2008, 04:45 PM	#2
niSm095 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Western PA Age: 36 Posts: 1,200 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	kind of a liberal slant on that one...either way. he's a d-bag. I hate politics.

10-26-2008, 05:05 PM	#4
HalveBlue Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am! Posts: 1,549 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What's there to discuss? The race is already decided. Obama will win. It never mattered what McCain stood for, as much as what he stood against. He was unable to distance himself enough from Bush and his policies. McCain is seen simply too much like Bush. And nobody wants at least another 4 years of Bush's policies. Think about it, in the chronicles of history the Bush administration will forever be associated with the following: the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, failures to care properly for those Soldier injured in those wars, the Patriot Act, Hurricane Katrina (the arguably greatest natural disaster in American history), Sept. 11th, A gas hike from $1.25 to $4.00 a gallon, an economic disaster, distancing itself from every other Western nation, lying and cheating the American people, a widening gap between rich and poor (the middle class is disappearing). Face it, there's a huge demographic shift going on in this country now and A LOT of things have happened since 2000 that have shaped young people's minds. Young people that would have graduated college and would now be old enough to start making babies, starting families, you know, become established. I don't know any of them that are saying 2008 is exactly the way I imagined it to be. Who's in the mood for more of the last 8 years? Not me. And not anybody I know either.

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Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Haha the republicans are here. How about you disprove all 25 of those statements with facts?

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Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Nothing. And nothing is better than McCain's "accomplishments" in my book, because nothing at least doesn't affect the country and its people in a negative manner.

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Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Corporations are outsourcing domestic jobs mainly because of unions and labor laws. Unions are one of the main reasons why domestic automakers are having a hard time, there have been countless White House meetings about this. It would be far from cost effective to outsource just to avoid slightly higher taxes.

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DOOK Post Whore! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Land of Milk and Cookies Age: 38 Posts: 7,552 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	guess what Obama supporters? He's not the second coming... guess what McCain supporters? He's not either guess what? They are both so full of shit it's rediculous __________________ <------ Grumpy Old Asshole MY REVIEW THREAD: Ltdnismoracer4=DOOK http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...ltdnismoracer4

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Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Yeah I don't even care for Obama. The only reason I defend him is because I can't stand McCain, I cringe when I imagine that man as the head of a country. Thanks for posting the list soreballz.

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murda-c Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montgomery County, MD Age: 33 Posts: 3,197 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The fact that no one believes a third party will ever get elected is probably the main reason one never is. __________________

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