180sxmaniac

Is the FRS overpriced? If the FRS was released back in 2003 how would it compare in sales with the 350z? I personally think the FRS would've sold a ton back in 03 seeing how the economy was a lot better than it is now? Even with that I still think the 350z is a better bang for the buck car. I've driven both cars extensively and the FRS is pretty much the newer 180sx. It's very tight and small inside,extremely light,not a lot of options/accessories very much a true driver's car.The Z is heavier but has the power and torque to get sideways quickly and can still haul some ass in a straight line. For what its worth I think the 350z limited slip is slightly better than the toyota lsd. So question is if both cars were released in 03 and if you had the money to purchase either one,which would you get?If it was me I'd get the FRS just because its so LIGHT and it reminds me too much of a 180sx.

EDacIouSX

economy isn't everything, its also trend. at times people want more luxury cars, other times people want more sports cars.

Matthew Murphy

I dd a 350z and have driven an frs multiple times (thought about getting one) and have to say I prefer the z, the frs isn't quite quick enough for my taste, also the clutch and shifter just don't feel right to me. None the less it is a great car and I love the way the suspension feels.

simmode1

I'd get whichever one came with a factory turbo bolted onto it.

Cough Genesis Coupe cough used 335i cough cough

driftsucky

Z. Only cuz I'm a nissan guy. Love the FR-S though. And, for what I use my G for, it'd fit the bill. Matter fact, sans my Maxima and Sentra, every Nissan I've owned has done the same thing. Soooo...yeah. Still the Z. Loved'em then and love'em now

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feito

Why do u have to put it against the 350 when its succesor, the 370, is currently on the market? Has the z's price gone up so much? Anyway, i havent driven either one, but being a 240 enthusiast i would say i'd go with frs because of its size, shape n promised better handling.

mewantkouki

FR-S is dogshit slow. Maybe if it came with 100 more hp it would be fun.

BossHogg

Funny the scion FRS has a 1 second quicker stock 1/4 mile time than the 240sx did when it came out. I haven't looked up the handling numbers but I'm sure the FRS blows the 240 out of the water on those to. AND yet the 240 was still a fun car for it's time, so I'm sure the FRS is plenty of fun. Anyone buying a stock 350, 370 or FRS wanting it to be "fast" will be disappointed. None of them are fast. If you want fast and import in the same sentence, you either bought a 80+ thousand dollar car or you plan on modifications in your head before you even purchase.

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Cheesy Doriftos

the fr-s looks better than the 350z

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180sxmaniac

I put it against the 350z because they're more common at the track and on the street than the 370z.Both Z overpower the frs but the 370z is way out of the Frs league when you look at performance and price.

180sxmaniac

Have you driven it yet?

180sxmaniac

Yea but 335i is unreliable many issues with blown motors/turbos before 60k miles not to mention finding a 6speed manual is dam near impossible and BMW is making their cars luxurious more so than sporty. Genesis Coupe has few flaws if any,weight is a problem particularly on the 2.0 turbo, if the genesis coupe managed to get the weight under 2900 pounds the FRS wouldn't have a chance.

180sxmaniac

I think the FRS would give a stock SR20 on 7pounds boost a run for its money in the quarter mile

simmode1

Yeah, the 335i isn't perfect but just like the 350Z's oil consumption & bad transmission synchro issues, the concern over reliability is vastly over blown & exaggerated by a few ppl on forums propagating the issue. I know because I talk to BMW customers all day everyday and most of them have no problems at all. But of course you're going to run into problems if shit isn't getting modified or maintained properly. The only real problem was the HPFP, which is now covered by recall and fixed in later models.

The 335I and Genesis coupe don't need a diet when they can just increase the boost. Both weigh about the same as an MKIV Supra... Is the FRS inherently superior to that car too? Used 335i's or GC's utterly curb stomps the FRS in any sort of performance test on both the street and the track, while reaching higher power potential easier as well.

I swear... all these ppl ranting about lightweight this and lightweight that need to put this shit in perspective. These are the same ppl who think the S-chassis actually has any kind of advantage over a Z32TT over than its dirt cheap price.

God I hate how hyped the FRS is. But if it was turbo'd with 5x114.3 lug pattern at the same price point, I'd be singing a different tune.

180sxmaniac

I don't know what your credentials are regarding BMW's but I love Bimmers as well as japanese cars so much to the point that I have a bimmer, subaru, mitsubishi tattoo. Not only that but i've been selling cars for about 3 years now.Worked at a huge bimmer dealership for 2 years now i'm at scion. i can personally vouch for myself when I say that not only do bimmers breakdown frequently,(probably because they're over engineered) but the most common car in the service bay by far was the 335i,in particular blown turbos, and tranny rebuilds all the time.Why you ask? Because BMW stopped making sport cars and they started making luxury cars. Yet people still for the most part(daily drive the 335i and thrash it) and the fact that they come dam near automatic only, doesn't help the 335i's case.

Japan is the only country that makes sport cars if you ask me(corvette,porsche 911 are the exception),its not all about power its about the total ride. yea 335i and gcoupe weigh as much as the supra and guess what I haven't seen anyone in rally,or drift using a supra(Manubu Orido did use a supra for drift but quickly moved into an FRS).You might be lucky to find a few supra's at a time attack drift even in Japan.

If cars didn't need diets they wouldn't strip them for motorsports right?. If all a heavy factory turbo car had to do is boost up to get an advantage over smaller lighter cars, cars like the GTR would dominate cars like the rx7,s2k,s15,nsx on the touge right? Wrong!

katzberg

I do have my own preferences.

DJ 21o3

give it a couple years for subaru to release a factory turbo option...i will still be driving my s14 but wouldnt mind a lowered BRZ for a daily driver.

mewantkouki

1. I own an 08 Z.
2. I've owned several 350-400whp s-chassis cars. (SR and Ka) I thought they were pretty fast...
3. 90% of people that own a s-chassis car swap or upgrade the existing engine so the apples to oranges comparison is irrelevant.
4. I never said an FR-S wasn't fun. I paid 17k for my Z two years ago with 11k miles on it. (Yes I realize that was an incredible deal at the time) but these cars can still be had with under 30k on them for 18-20 grand and yes they perform just as well if not better than an FR-S.
5. Realistically speaking, how many people are going to buy a 2013-2014 frs, void the warranty by modifying it? Not to mention by the time you dump 7 grand into an FR-S turbocharging it you could have bought a 350 or 370z that's not that much slower and an overall nicer car. Sit in an FR-S and you'll understand what I'm talking about.

That said I actually like the concept of the FR-S, I just don't think it's worth 25 grand or anywhere near comparable to a Z in stock form by any stretch of the imagination.

TwinZ

Z for sure. I've had 3 350z's and the one I have now is twin turbo'd. The VQ motor is hard to beat. And easy to make a few extra horsepower with simple bolt on's. Plus nissan runs in my blood

simmode1

I work for BMW Assist which run the Telematics system in every equipped BMW. So almost every BMW that needs servicing, roadside assistance or whatever comes through us before they get to you. Don't get me wrong: I certainly seen all the problems you're referencing. But in comparison to how many of these cars are on the road, the amount with failures shouldn't weigh any heavier than those considering buying 350Z's/G35's with their issues too. The situation just isn't that grave. Especially since they did the HPFP recall and switched to the single turbo setup. Mechanics often see the worst of the worst on a frequent basis, which lends to them being jaded. Doesn't mean that's the average owner's experience. I'll admit, it was pretty bad when they first launched, but most of those older cars should have either been fixed already or off the road. BMW Assist certainly started getting significantly less calls about the HPFP or other big problems probably around 2009 or 2010.

As for cars needing to be lightweight, sure, that's helpful for motorsport. But on street cars in this scenario? Pointless. Hell, gut an FRS, GC, 335I or Z and run them around a track and I bet you'll still have the same result: You'll have a great time enjoying the driving feel of the FRS as you cross the finish line in last place.

Oh yeah, and the GTR DOES dominate all those cars.

Ghosty

Honestly speaking, I'm not a huge fan of Z's. Don't get me wrong, they're great cars, but I don't feel like they're as fun as the FR-S/BRZ stock for stock. Something about a lightweight, RWD car just seems like the perfect combination in my mind. That being said, I'd take a BRZ over a Z any day. Heck, I'd take an S-chassis over a Z too...

STR8 H8N

3.5 L VQ35DE V6 287 bhp 274 lb·ft --------------- $29,000

VS

200 hp and 151 lb·ft 2.0 L BOXER Toyota-Subaru D-4S ---------------------- $24,000

mewantkouki

What about the vq35hr? People like to pretend that 2007-2008 didn't happen. lol Pretty noticeable difference to a DE car and the price didn't change.

STR8 H8N

VS

3.7L VQ37VHR V6 337 PS 332 hp 269 lb·ft ---------------- $34,000

VS

3.5 L VQ35HR V6 306 bhp 268 lb·ft ------------------ $27,000

REVGASM

I owned a 370z for about a year and a half. Did basic mods. Exhaust, wheels, coilovers, adjustable arms, corner balancing etc. The car is practically impossible to enjoy with the stability features. I pulled a wheel sensor to pretty much which in turn deactivated the abs, abls and vdc. For some reason the car just has this lack of connectivity with the driver, even heal toe rev matching felt sooooooooo wrong.

I drove my buddies FRS for 10 minutes and fell in love with the thing. Simple and plain I traded in my 370z for a new BRZ.

Now, i'm not saying which car is better. All i can say is the BRZ puts a bigger smile on my face. The only way i can describe the car is, it feels like a mix between my Integra Type R and Honda S2000. The car's chassis is extremely balanced, and even with garbage tires its capable of utilizing them, the car does not DRIFT easily, i drive it forcefully and i guess thats what gives me pleasure. The stock diff feels much more capable than the Nissans, all tho i do plan on going 2 way in the near future.

AS FOR POWER. IT'S SLOW AS FUCK. SLOW SLOW SLOW. All tho its slow, once again, its EXTREMELY FUN AS FUCK TO DRIVE. With that being said, i'm sure i'll be super charging the car as well.

Lastly, i can fit 4 wheels with tires in the car with tool box and jack. Snow boards fit no problema as well. So over all on a daily basis this car rocks FOR ME.

anyways.
The car currently has Stance coilovers with swift springs, stance rear lower control arms, stance subframe collars, 17x9 work rszr with 215/45/17, berk technology test pipe and race pipe.



Risky D Twins



My Z.
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AdamR

Yeah but that was the 90s, when supercars had 400hp.

2.5T_/<ouki

EXACTLY! This is the very reason why my S14 is up for sale
Genesis here i come !

mewantkouki

350z =/= 370z

Yes 370z is newer and slightly faster than the latest model 350z but it also suffers from a ton of issues the later 350Z didn't have. The A/C condenser and Radiator are attached making it near impossible to put an aftermarket radiator in that thing. Suffers from heat soak on the track, shitty VDC, brake fade etc.

350z touring model is the only one that is plagued by VDC and brake fade due to pad knockback. I love my 08 enthusiast 350Z. No VDC no problems TCS is turned off with a button. Car is extremely predictable and planted on the road. Not even an ounce of understeer. the only thing I have modified on it was 18X9.5 10.5 wedsport wheels, SPL differential bushings and a shift knob. It drives just as nice, sure footed, and predictable as my s14 with full suspension. (Not shitty ebay stuff either.) I had kw clubsports, spl arms, and just about every brace known to man.

180sxmaniac

SChassis over a Z? Idk bout that,an S15 Forsure otherwise I'd take a Z33

180sxmaniac

My buddy here on zilvia sold carmax his z34 and built him an insane s14 kouki,biggest reason was lightweight and price of aftermarket availability. T86 feels great, I would imagine it feels like an S15 or NSX,biggest problem is that people want power and even tho I work at scion I can admit the price isn't justified,19k is more realistic. With that said I think the genesis coupe is going to outsale our Frs and until a factory turbo comes out which is unlikely from Scion but likely from Subaru the sales are going to vary.

Nissan diff is way better than the Toyota diff and always will be but with the vdc off and with the car being so light,car should get sideways with a simple clutch kick