racepar1

The bible is a 3000 year old book that was originally written by man in a dead language, has been translated and re-translated more times then it is possible to count, and has multiple versions each of which is slightly different. ANYONE who takes that book 100% seriously is seriously fucked in the head. It is a book of stories meant to teach morals, that is all.

I hate more than anything when somebody considers their religious beliefs knowledge rather than just a belief. My lady's church is filled with people like that. Whenever I try to have a religious conversation with any of them I always end up hearing "you just don't understand". It is not that I don't understand it is that I don't BELIEVE what they do. I am willing to listen and consider anybody else's beliefs, it angers me when the people whose beliefs I am listening to and considering have no interest in considering or listening to my beliefs. Hell I am the guy who stood out on my porch and debated with the mormon guys that always stop by untill they told me that they had to leave. It was however a good conversation because both sides were listenint to the other and both sides were willing to concede that we were talking about beliefs, NOT facts.

Mi Beardo es Loco

if you seriously do not believe that a talking burning bush existed then YOU have to get your head examined! I mean, the world floods all the time right?

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xtheenderx

Agreed, in general people stride to become a better person and i think that religion gives some sort of explanation as to why we should have good morals. Of course we can all agree that although everyone might have different beliefs, which I respect as I too was a christian, many have similar traits. Its safe to say that most if not all religion has some sort of reason as to why we should all be a "good" person. EG: Buddhism is to kharma and Christianity/Catholicism/Islam/Judaism is to heaven/hell. Those are all examples of people's explanation to have good morals.

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Zenki_S14

Does anyone here believe we were created by aliens from outer space? As if we were their experiment? I was brought up as a Catholic but gradually faded away from my religion. I basically just lived my life. As I grew older, I met my Christian friends and it made me think about this for awhile. I've attended their church many times. I've gone to their bible studies. I've listened and questioned guest speakers from Evangelical schools. I've read chapters throughout the bible that they had bought for me. I've had endless conversations about Christianity with many friends and even strangers. I've gone to Youtube to look up videos on Christianity. I've completely opened my mind to this religion. I realized, "Wow, these people are really f*cked in the head." Most of these people believe in God because it was part of their up bringing, along with their parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc. If the world faced the reality that there is no God, then it would be the biggest devastation in mankind. For thousands of years, mankind fought and died over religion. Your friends and family are fighting and dying in The Iraq because of religion. RELIGION IS POWER. Religion is used to manipulate and control people. Religion brings in BILLIONS of dollars EVERY YEAR. Religion is controlled by the government. You take away the religion, you take away their billions of dollars. You fuck with the government's money, they will f*ck you up. I've come to a conclusion, there is no God. You have one life to live. Live it well. The girl next door that you've been jerking off to, go f*ck her now. The hot girl sitting next to you in math class, f*ck her too. Amen? Amen.

SexPanda

I will explain my theory of religion with smileys... And then I will explain exactly what I just did...








Now, you interpret that.

Everyones going to have a different interpretation. And everyones wrong according to everyone else. Religion is 1% knowledge, 1% fear, 40% pride, and 58% your own interpretation. Basically what Im saying is, this debate will never end, everyones wrong, everyones right, no ones right, no ones wrong... Its funny really.

Be a good person. Do the right thing. Dont dwell on the past, look forward to the future. Now your going to heaven. THE END!!!

Isnt that what every religion is saying if you look past all the filler text?

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theicecreamdan

Science can't prove very much of anything. We don't have enough data to completely support everything.

There is more known about evolution than there is about fucking gravity.

There are models and theories and hypotheses... but really there is no truth. Reality is unique to each and every individual. Nothing exists without the connections it has to everything else.

I'm not putting science down, these are all beautiful reasons that keep me wanting more. Thats why I will be a scientist.

Take any religion in the world, and truthfully look at it from the perspective of the people that believe in it, they do seem to make sense. The only problem I have with a lot of religions is that they compete and try to exclude other religions. Guess what? For each reality there is a different truth and these truths can differ without interfering.

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racepar1

That is what REALLY turns me away from organized religion, their unwillingness to concede that there are (or even MIGHT be) other ways to live a good life. ANYTHING other than their own particular religion/belief structure is evil and wrong. I have incorporated ideas from every single religion that i have ever learned anything about into my own personal belief structure. I AM "christian" and I DO 100% believe that god exists in one form or another, just NOT the traditional vengeful form. I refuse to believe that god would create an imperfect being and then send it to the depths of hell for being imperfect, as it was created. That hipocracy is staggering.

Ninja>Pirate

Hahaha god, people still believe in that shit?

Om1kron

religion is make believe for grownups.

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SW20Racer

that the one. i was just to lazy to type all the extra crap.

problem being, it isnt limited to adults. its forced onto a more suceptable demographic.


no one has a choice anymore it seems. its always a case of "you're this religion now, so shape up!"

sub9lulu

it is more like a legit way to scam people's money

may be it is exactly how everything got started

mademedoit

Best reply go's to you sir. As Mark Twain said "faith just means your willing to believe something that you know isn't true". Here's something for the religious to think about if god created man first why do men have nipples?

ESmorz

Fuck that, this thread is full of them.

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downshift_sideways

I call them Fanatics.

and boy do they get pissed off.

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Sil-Abc

o fuck, u just had to open this can of worms lol

This is my theory and whatever u say will not change my mind or make me reconsider.

God is fake. He was made up just like the easter bunny and santa claus.

WHY? you ask. Well heres my explanation.

In every society, there must always be someone or something for people to follow or listen to. This person or thing is resembled as a leader in the eyes of it's followers. Everywhere u go, there is always an example of this theory. The president, the boss of your job, your parents, someone u look up to and listen to. When you don't have a leader, they will be mass confusion and conflicts. No one will know what to do, whats right/wrong, what to believe. Humans are down-right stupid. People need to be told what to do, whatever they say about being independent or they dont listen to others, theyre all hypocrites because they always listen to others (for instance u listen to ur doctor). Back before there was a democracy or presidents and all that bullshit, no one had someone to look up to except for their "tribe leader". Even then this leader can only handle their own group and not any other group so their would be several leaders but no one had full control. I believe someone created up god as a figure to guide people and create order. By striking fear into peoples minds about his powers and how he is a greater being and everything he says is correct, people will be able to follow "his sayings" and order will be there. Regardless of who we are, we are always following someone because u can't live by urself and have no one to look up to. this god is something that people can look up to and follow his footsteps so chaos can be avoided. People will argue about the bible and dead sea scrolls but to me, the bible was no other than a compilation of fairy tales and stories kinda like harry potter. Back then stories were always told and of course people would travel and discover new places they would share stories. That is how the bible can be found in different countries and in different languages because of sharing stories. Dead sea scrolls, same thing, stories passed on and everything is based on what people say. If i tell u something and have u tell it to someone else and have them do the same thing, by the 10th person my story would no longer be the same thing. Same in books, if i read harry potter and wrote it down again, of course i would add changes that i would see fit and eventually come up with a story thats completely different.

Overall, god or whatever ur higher being is, they were made up so people have someone to look up to and follow. Its a clever move so people have this "hope" and can believe in someones words and think they are being lead in the right path. Im not sure if this makes sense but if u really want to hear more about my theory, we can have dinner and ill talk to u about it there in bigger detail. Ive had convos with people and no one has heard of my theory before and so far, i still have debates about this with them from time to time.

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WanganRunner

It's funny, most car boards I'm on have a decidedly conservative bent, which usually includes having a large number of fundamentalist Christian/Evangelical members. It's always come as a real surprise to me, just because I didn't think as many people in the "240 fanboy" age group fit that demographic.

Zilvia seems to be very much the opposite, perhaps because it's more CA-centric?

I get into these arguments on my other boards all the time. I'm a mildly religious guy, but I take the same "it's a 3000 year old book" tack as most moderate Christians. It PISSES PEOPLE OFF. I never thought I'd run into so many Biblical Literalists on fucking car boards, but they're everywhere. I mean, real absolute loony wackball dinosaurs-coexisted-with-people Jesus'-face-in-my-grilled-cheese fuckmobiles, dozens of them. They're out there in rural VA or whatever breeding and rubbing NASCAR memorabilia on their crotches and dreaming of threesomes with a moose and Sarah Palin. It seriously scares the shit out of me, I'm going to move to Holland or something.

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dynamicck

Religion can be argued till the end of time.

But demon possessed...it's real.
Seen it with my own eyes. It wasn't fake, or made up in front of a bunch of people. It was randomly at night while bunch of us kids were playing near a church.
Probably one of the shocking moments of my life.

I'm not trying to force any type of religion on anyone. But there are supernatural things/beings, ghosts, demons that are real. Travel outside of the USA, and you'll see.
Many other countries seen possessed people, but it's much more rare in US.
Seen a possessed person released of demons.
The way I look at it is... if there is evil, there must be good. If there's a satan, there must be a God.

ESmorz

^ The devil isn't welcome in the good 'ol US of A?

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dynamicck

no joke.
but that possessed person turned her head almost 180 degrees.
some gangster dood shot her while she was going crazy, with an airsoft gun.
And she turned her head around like that.

We almost shat our pants.

ESmorz

If he was a real gangster he would have used a 9.

Hollow points for the Demons.

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Bushido

god (in the biblical sense) is make believe.

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raen419

Hm.....interesting perspectives.

I look at things like this. And for anyone's reference, the Bible I use is the King James Version.
God is sovereign. I can't think like He does, therefore I do no question His Word...b/c well....I know not to (several past experiences have taught me this). I read and understand everything in my Bible, and believe it....why? B/c I believe it is the Word of God, and have no actual reason not to.
Was it written by man? Yes. But not in the sense that most of us consider. Many (but not all) men who wrote many of the books in the KJ Version weren't sitting at desks or at their house/hut/palace writing. They wrote while be persecuted by ignorant men who took the Word and preaching of God (and all included beliefs) as a sucker punch to their egos, and a threat to their way of life. Their stories were written down b/c (imo) it was God's way of helping them through their tribulations.

Dinosaurs may've been mentioned in the Bible. Check the book of Job. Iirc, leviathan and behemoth are used in there to describe animals/reptiles of enormous size. There are probably more places to look too, but I can't remember where off the top of my head. I only remember Job b/c my preacher and I chatted about it a few weeks back.

When it comes to Satan, I'm not too sure where to start. He started as a serpent, and according to the KJV, he inspires all that is not Godly. Which is um....a lot. As for the actual being, I doubt he's got horns and stuff. There's no Biblical reference for that, last I checked (I could be mistaken, I've yet to read my whole Bible...plus my memory isn't the greatest).

As for what my religion is called, its pretty simple: Primitive Baptist, before that (back in like....1800s or something) we were called the Antioch Baptist, and before that, I'm not sure. Never dug back that far. I might some day though. Church service is simple too, nothing fancy or complicated. Sing for 30min from random songs in our song books, prayer, preaching for an hr or so, go around for handshake (i.e. meet and greet everyone and say hello or whatever), prayer, and DONE. Its nice. Hr and a half and then off to lunch or the autoX.

Btw, if you're looking for all these miracles that are spoken of in the Old Testament, don't bother. The last time anyone saw a miracle like healing the sick, bringing back the dead, or something else, was like....70 A.D.

I can reveal more if anyone wants more info/insight or whatever, but trust me when I say that the more to read about what God wants from you, the more you'll feel like your toes are being stepped on. It sucks, but thats being human for ya.

racepar1

I do not understand how you can be content not to question. I question everything. I NEVER accept ANYTHING as truth simply because somebody says so.

Dinosaurs existed roughly 65 million years ago, as far as I know the bible only goes back a few thousand years.

"Satan"originally exised as an angel (lucifer), actually god's "right hand man" so to speak.

I'm guessing pretty much typical southern baptist. I wouldn't go so far as to say that you can "reveal" anything to anybody. That comes off as a bit condescending. Remember that your beliefs are only that, beliefs not facts. That is the only way to actually have a conversation about religion. If you are not willing to concede that the conversation only ends up as a fight. People die over beliefs when they are considered truths.

downshift_sideways

Please give me the exact chapter and verse where the bible mentioned about "dinosaurs"

I know what verse your looking at, and it's no where near "dinosaurs"...it gives you a description of a "dragon". with scales and fire from it's mouth.

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Matej

Yes.
The idea behind the Bible is nice in my opinion, but I find it ridiculous how literally it is taken.
I can't understand how so many people, many of whom are otherwise intelligent and think logically, so blindly believe those children's stories.
I can definitely understand the Bible's significance as the largest most popular and also one of the oldest known collections of folk tales and moral stories, but I seriously don't see what makes it so much more credible than let's say Brothers Grimm or Mother Goose tales. Why don't people believe in those? I guess because the Bible is older? At least certain versions of it.
If I didn't know anything about religion or the world, and someone had me read the Bible and a Harry Potter book, and then ask me to pick which one I believe to be based on truth, I'm pretty sure I'd pick Harry Potter. Same would go for almost any other popular fiction.

SexPanda

Where can I go to see this?

For science, that is...

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Agent240sx

See that was my point, I do believe god has left his word to man to do good etc, and there is an evil ... in all major religions. Thats EXACTLY the problem with religion however it is MAN's interpretation of gods word thus leading to the divide in religions and different religions thinking their way is right.

Its become us putting our faith in MAN's word and not god's word, you see what i'm getting at? Exactly why people will fight over religion for the entire history of mankind because of religion. Its not that the bible or other religious text (all religions worldwide) isn't true as all of them contain the message of god you just need to look beyond the bullshit added by man to find that messages.

You ever play that game "broken telephone" as a child?

Picture this, back in ancient times (and remember they were much more wacky back then lol).
Say "god" came to speak to a group of people or person in Asia, the same god then came to north america to share the same message. You think these 2 same groups or person will hear the same message? NOT a chance!

Did you know Christianity and Judaism's "Golden Rule" is found in 21 or more Different world religions?



Theres many others that have the same message.
Sure some of these things can be questions however all major religions have the same underlining messages to treat others the same, to do good etc etc.

spoolandslide

Religion has major design flaw, which puts it into the same category as communism and true love.

"yeah, cool idea... but hasn't worked out in the history of man"