downshift_sideways

Feel free to say whatever...
I love to hear different sides..
Please stay on topic..



This is what I believe.

So..we'll start from the beginning.
Past the "Big Bang Theory".

Lucifer didn't want to be "greater" than god.
Lucifer was gods favorite angel in the heavens. He didn't want to be bigger and better than god. He had too much pride. God created him
with power/wisdom/forge/fire. He was the chief of hierarchy in the heavens.

Lucifer refused to bow down to MAN (Adam and Eve) (he felt betrayed by god)

So god casted him out from the heavens.


If god told Adam and Eve that if they ate the forbidden fruit from the tree "you will surely die".

and if the Devil told Eve that if they ate the fruit it would not lead to death.

Now they ate the apple.
And what happened?

They didn't die right away, So neither god or the devil were right.
Technically they didn't die as god said.
Technically they did "live" as the devil said.

I see it as:
Man on earth is a battle between god and the devil over humanity.

but who do we choose from if they were both right?

I choose to live life as it comes by. I believe in what I see with my own eyes and not by what I hear.
Science...

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Altered_Image

What was meant by "surely die" means that they would become fully human and would eventually die, whereas before the "ate the apple" (metaphorically speaking), they lived in a state of innocence on the earth in "the presence of God".

jskateborders

They did die. Where are they now? Dead.

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downshift_sideways

Doesn't every human apparently die over time?
Doesn't ever man just "live" and eventually "die"

What abour Dinosaurs? The bible never mentioned them? They were here way before man? We have fossils to prove it.

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Matej

If Adam and Eve were the first humans, does that make us all inbreds? Isn't inbreeding a sin?

DrtyRat

To "die" meant to be separated from God, and you are right about our battle on Earth. Man was given the gift of free choice. God didn't want us to choose Him because we had to, He wanted us to choose Him b/c we wanted to. Satan is constantly battling to keep us away from God, and nowadays he's succeeding.

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flclsteve

these never end good so ill stay out of this one lol

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DrtyRat

I've always wondered about this myself. Doesn't change my beliefs, but makes me think.

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DrtyRat

They can go well, if people want to have serious discussions, but they rarely do.

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downshift_sideways

Yea. Incest apparently had to happen.

Same goes with Noah's Ark.

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allntrlundrgrnd: "you never really appreciate your parents fridge until you look into your own and its full of condiments only"

SHIFT_*grind*

Yep.

Ever heard of metaphors?

It doesn't say the word "dinosaurs." It does say things like "beasts of the field," though.

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downshift_sideways

Beast of the field? If the bible went directly into so much detail about a lot.

don't you think they would take into account Huge dinosaurs??

they also do mention "Dragons" however. that's not accountable for a dinosaur to me.

Usually a lot of Christians use the word "Faith" to "Believe"

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BustedS13

god isn't real. it's just a crutch people use to deal with mortality. the end.

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downshift_sideways

I opened this thread, because you closed your last one.

jerk! <3

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allntrlundrgrnd: "you never really appreciate your parents fridge until you look into your own and its full of condiments only"

BustedS13

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downshift_sideways

Why was the bible written by man?

Man has so many flaws?

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allntrlundrgrnd: "you never really appreciate your parents fridge until you look into your own and its full of condiments only"

BustedS13

because god's hands are too big

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VROOOM

I feel religion is just early mans way of explaining the world around them. but thats just my belief, everyone is entitled to thiers.

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downshift_sideways

Science can be proven realistically.

The bible are documented words made by man.

Why can't we see all the miracles and wonders that are mentioned in the bible?

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allntrlundrgrnd: "you never really appreciate your parents fridge until you look into your own and its full of condiments only"

Matej

That was the point of spiritual beliefs and that's how religions started out I think, but big organized religion has mainly been used to control the masses, for about 2000 years the church has been one of the most powerful and influential institutions in the world.

DrtyRat

People say God isn't real because they want to justify their immoral lifestyle. they don't want to deal with the fact that they will be held accountable.

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SHIFT_*grind*

Not necessarily. I don't think a lack of detail on dinosaurs would make the Bible invalid.

Keep in mind that the Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek, where the words and phrases often have no direct parallel to English. The words in the King James or more modern versions of the Bible sometimes won't match up exactly with the original text, because they simply can't.

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downshift_sideways

Lucifer didn't want to be "greater" than god.
Lucifer was gods favorite angel in the heavens. He didn't want to be bigger and better than god. He had too much pride.

Lucifer refused to bow down to MAN (Adam and Eve)(he felt betrayed)

So god casted him out from the heavens.

I don't see Lucifer as an "enemy".

Edited OP

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allntrlundrgrnd: "you never really appreciate your parents fridge until you look into your own and its full of condiments only"

Mi Beardo es Loco

Religion doesn't matter. We all become part of the earth in the end anyways....even the smallest animals. Religion is a great way to build morals in children and a great way to live on the strait n' arrow but it's all fairy tale. If anyone really believes in magic apples, talking bushes, and lakes that split in half needs to get their heads examined.
Now, I believe in an afterlife, but not in a supreme being. If you don't believe in an afterlife, you need to watch Ghost Hunters....that show ROCKS!!!

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SHIFT_*grind*

Not exactly.

He wanted to be "equal with" God. Unless God is somehow......mistaken.

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Matej

I believe I can live like a good person without being pushed into it.

Mi Beardo es Loco

So......is god an elitest?

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downshift_sideways

Thank you for quoting me on something I knew. Hence my previous statement

Just wondering if anyone had any insights on Dinosaurs?

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allntrlundrgrnd: "you never really appreciate your parents fridge until you look into your own and its full of condiments only"

SHIFT_*grind*

How do you figure this?

My point was, he was cast out of heaven because he aspired to be equal with God.

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mystery_elmo

If you guys really wanna find out if all this is true or not, just die!!!

Then all your fake beliefs will come to and end!!

Who knows maybe it might be real?! NOT