raz0rbladez909

Quoted for truth, if enough people stopped going with the traditional Dem/Rep bullshit maybe we would actually get a "Change" because as long as one of the major two get into office there isn't shit that will "Change".

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Matej

Dramatization.

Middle school English.

RJF

He truly believes in redistribution of wealth.

Interview from 2001

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Phlip

If I had read this 10-12 months ago, I would be more inclined to believe it, but the dirty tricks being employed by one side here, the side taking the side of those looking to maintain the upper hand for those who have it now, common sense/"country first" be damned is an act of desperation... REPEATED acts of desperation. It either means that, as Sam Cooke once said "change is gonna come," or shit is about to get VERY ugly before it will get any better, THEN maybe someone will actually take a third party seriously... In such, change STILL comes.
Different means to an ends.

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SexPanda

Honestly.........

who the fuck cares? Same shit, different face. Im voting for McCain simply because I hate liberals. They always talk a big game, but 99% of them are just asshats, in contrast to only 98.99% of conservatives.

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Blah Blah Blah

Everyone knows Obama is going to win already so can we stop with the political threads already??????? Would I vote for him? Not in a million years. But I live in California, a place where my vote wont count for shit because this state hasnt been won by a Republican once in my entire lifetime. So I just wont vote, and Jon Stewart will be the only thing keeping me sane until 2012.

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George W Bush will go down in history as the greatest president in history.

innovation

^^ Want to know why? Because he f*cked it up so badly that he made it possible for an African American to be elected as president. Thats pretty cool no. In the course of 55+ years we went from a segragated country to inevitably having a Black president.
(Btw I think it is awesome that people can see past racial differences)


P.S. Im voting for McCain. Not that it will do me any good since I live in California (F'ing democrats)

ronmcdon

what I find most uncomfortable about about Obama's spending, is that idea about free healthcare for everyone. regardless of whether or not you find that idea personally palatable, the fact remains that it's going to be extremely expensive if it flies. it's really a bit too ambitious, if not downright disastrous in this day and age.

About the war, I admit I do agree with Obama's stance a bit more. however, I don't think it's plausible we'll be pulling out of the Afghan mess anytime soon, regardless of whomever gets elected.

With regards to taxation, I'm not so sure there should be any further tax decreases period given the deficit we're in. I'm also a bit worried about increasing the taxes 8-11% for businesses making 25k-1mil. If that's on revenue, it could be a huge problem for those who don't even make a 10% profit margin. seriously, a company making even 1 mil profit, isn't all that big. I wish Obama would have just left that alone. with the economy struggling the way it's projected to be, that isn't going to be doing anyone favors.

That being said, I'll throw my vote for the Libertarian party. Where I live in CA, it's going D anyhow with the votes. I don't like McCain anymore than I like Obama, but I will say I'm very disappointed in McCain's performance. I would have much preferred that he put up a good fight instead of the farce that his campaign has become.

Agamemnon

Well said good sir!

Obama's plan for the economy and how it relates to small business will be the straw that broke the donkey's(no pun intended) back.

SochBAT

Ron Paul!!!

fromxtor

^^Exactly, I wrote him in a month or so ago and was very suprised to see quite a few other people I had never heard of running. Don't like McCain/Obama vote for someone else.

Something I did find odd about that jibberish the OP posted was a Chelsea Clinton referrence...she is not a stone fox by any means.

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WanganRunner

The whole "Barack Hussein Obama" thing really pisses me off.

What does it matter what the guy's middle name is? Do you and the conservative columnists that so often invoke that moniker have so little of substance to deliver that you have to rely on an underhanded jab based on the man's middle name?


The GOP is going to be hugely re-organized following their upcoming crushing defeat. The social conservative are going to get hung out to dry as the party refocuses on capturing fiscally conservative "Blue Dog" Democrats. The GOP of Karl Rove and Dick Cheney is effectively dead, you'd better be able to find yourself a place in a new GOP that more closely resembles the "Rockefeller Republicans" or else you'll find yourself marginalized.

Social conservatism is dead in America.

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DOOK

how about not voting at all when you don't feel either candidate is worth a damn? That way you don't waste your vote or contribute to stupidity.

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Oh no, my friend, social conservatism is NOT dead in America. Not by a long shot. There are too many born-agains and bible-thumpers out there to allow social conservatism to die. I live in a bastion of conservativism with a bunch of Orange County transplantees. It sickens me.

You would be appalled by how many "Yes on 8" signs I see around here. (For those who don't know, Yes on Proposition 8 in California means that you want to add an amendment to the state constitution banning gay marriage.) Churches around here are gigantic, and the number of attendees corresponds.

This country was founded as a secular country. A quick look through the Constitution yields no mention of god other than "in the Year of our Lord." The neoconservative, socially very conservative Republicans do not understand this. They are attempting, through legislation, to force their religion upon us. They are attempting to force their morality on us. They are doing exactly that which caused the first pilgrims to make their way here.

The social conservatives will probably continue to dominate the GOP, but there will be a defection of the social liberals/fiscal conservatives to the Libertarian party, a new version of the Democratic-Republican party, or even the Democratic party. The Libertarians are a bit too hardcore for anyone who's been a member of the GOP for a while; they've gotten used to spreading "freedom" and big military spending.

John McCain is a poor choice for president because he doesn't believe in the Constitution, plain and simple. The same goes for Barrack Obama. This country needs no more deviations from the plan.

mRclARK1

My beliefs, yours and anyone else's notwithstanding, that's a fairly hard arguement to make. Nearly all of the founding fathers and names who signed the decleration of Independence were professing Christians, or of a very Christian backround simply because of the time period they lived in.

Also: "One nation under God." "In God we Trust." etc... I just don't see how someone can make that arguement. Not to mention many laws are based and referenced to religious beliefs. The United States is most certainly a secular nation now, but its founding was not. Whether directly or indirectly, intentionally or unintentionally doesn't really matter.

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I didn't mean to say that I thought that social conservatism as a movement was dead, but I DO believe that they will no longer be at the helm of a major party.

They have allowed themselves to become too tightly controlled by a few extremists and thus rendered themselves too unpalatable for mainstream America. Centrist America is still who decides Presidential elections, by and large. Palin's negative influence on the GOP campaign is proof positive of this. "Rally the Base" doesn't work anymore in the GOP as the base is too fractured and the religious right isn't the huge majority that they used to be.

They'll still be there, but they won't be putting anymore of their guys in the White House, at least not in the foreseeable future.



As for the US being a "secular nation", that all depends on one's reading of the establishment clause, although most readings do generally reach the conclusion that legislation based on religious principle is unconstitutional.

Everything about how religion interacts with government in the United States is based on interpretations of the establishment clause. The fact that various founding fathers may have been Christian is immaterial, it has to be in the documents.

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Anyone?
Anyone at all?

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98s14inaz

I don't have to. One thing that is nice about America right now is that you are innocent until proven guilty. If you are going to charge someone or accuse them of something the burden is on the accuser to prove it. The socialist countries you liberals love, the system works the other way.

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Grendel

I don't even understand why gay marriage is an issue. For a country full of people running around saying freedom this and freedom that, why can't two people in love get married?

I was talking to some guy at work about this, he is a pretty religious dude. He was saying how he doesn't think it would be right for two dudes to get married and raise a kid, because the kid might turn out to be gay. Said some garbage about afraid if his son is exposed to gay people, he might turn gay too.

Some people... wow. I sure am glad I got stationed in the south.

98s14inaz

Personally I want a "none of the above" choice and just start over with new candidates. Since we can't have that I've found the biggest difference between the candidates...one is a socialist. I cannot vote for Obama.

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98s14inaz

It's a common misconception that religion has a large hand in this. In all honesty they don't, they don't have the money to back such initiatives. The real bad guys here are the businesses that don't want to pay for benefits when civil unions are officially recognized. Religion is used as a disguise, no one would vote for this nonsense if they knew big business was behind it. Just ask yourself, "is this good for the company" and you will see the truth.

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FaLKoN240

I CAN'T WAIT TIL THIS ELECTION BULLSHIT IS OVER SO I CAN STOP SEEING THREADS LIKE THESE AS "HOT TOPICS"

seriously.

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stiizy

^^


I hate all these shits too

Grendel

Yea because off topic is full of important threads like "what did you eat for dinner" or "hey look at my pink nikes!"

Mi Beardo es Loco

Keep saying "Barack Hussein Obama" because hating on a Arab will make you feel better inside instead of hating a black guy because most are closet racists.

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98s14inaz

I hate everyone equally. I DO NOT hate him because he's black or a closet arab. I hate him because he is a socialist. The same kind of hate I have for Ted Kennedy...he's as white as they come.

This is so typical though, "if whitey doesn't vote for the black guy he's a racist". I'm offended by that generalization.

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exitspeed

While they might not be more important in the whole skeem of things, at least they are not dividing us.

Politics and religion are things that shouldn't be discussed on car forums IMO.

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98s14inaz

Goes to show how much people are obsessing about this stuff. I bet there is more activity in offtopic political threads than there is on the rest of the board.

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opponheimer

I'm in WV, nearly everyone (dem and republican) here is an ignorant fucking prejudice redneck, real sad...

They believe the earth is 6000 years old
man walked with dinosaurs
and women should mother their rape children
only in WV baby, where unemployment is like 30% lol


I cast my absentee ballot early, OBAMA!