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Team Rootbeer · 06-10-2005, 12:45 PM

is it possible??? just wondering if anyone has ever done it, i gotta low budget and i think it would be pretty unique

jOeHaCk98 · 06-10-2005, 12:50 PM

yes. done before.

Team Rootbeer · 06-10-2005, 12:51 PM

do you have any info on it? does anyone make a custom harness for the swap or is it not common enough?

TheSnail · 06-10-2005, 12:53 PM

I can make the harness for you. What year s14?

Team Rootbeer · 06-10-2005, 12:56 PM

95, how much

anyone know a good place to buy the motor?

240trainee · 06-10-2005, 01:02 PM

Your friend

Not a big fan of Nico anymore, but this is the best CA resource I found when I was doing my swap. I don't remember what shop, but there was a guy who worked for a shop that had a CA18 stroked iirc to 1.9, then swapped it out for an SR and promptly blew it up. hahaha

Team Rootbeer · 06-10-2005, 01:04 PM

yea dont really like the site.....but w/e will help so ill check it out.....no one on here has done the swap?

JH · 06-10-2005, 01:25 PM

#1: if you're on a "low budget," don't do ANY swap...especially a budget so low that you're considering putting a CA18DET into an S14
#2: see #1

Team Rootbeer · 06-10-2005, 01:28 PM

well, by low budget i mean i was considering turboing the ka instead of an sr......which can be done for much less....but i think this would be alot more unique, dunno just had lightbulb pop up in my head today

free7unch · 06-10-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by teamslideshow

well, by low budget i mean i was considering turboing the ka instead of an sr......which can be done for much less....but i think this would be alot more unique, dunno just had lightbulb pop up in my head today

a very dim light that is.

240trainee · 06-10-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by teamslideshow

yea dont really like the site.....but w/e will help so ill check it out.....no one on here has done the swap?

Lol, it's not hard dude. the swap is the same as an SR in an S13, therfore, the same changes you encounter putting a red top in an S14, you would encounter with a CA18. which is only a couple, if any. and NEVER do an engine swap on a tight budget, lol, that was my swap downfall. Don't be a cheap ass on some things, engine swap being one.

projectRDM · 06-10-2005, 03:02 PM

Very, very easy. Same mounting as SR, nearly same wiring as SR.

Team Rootbeer · 06-10-2005, 04:23 PM

yea, didnt really think about it being the same as a redtop sr swap...hmm this is looking better every minute

TheSnail · 06-10-2005, 10:28 PM

I can load the tools in the truck, drive to you, instal it and have you on the road in less then a day. For $300 plus gas.

**Phlip** · 06-10-2005, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSnail

I can load the tools in the truck, drive to you, instal it and have you on the road in less then a day. For $300 plus gas.

And with that being said, I will do the very same thing for you for $299.98 (j/k)

TheSnail · 06-10-2005, 10:48 PM

But Phlip has strings attached, by living in NC. His price is 2cents lower them mine, but dont let him fool you on the 59.98 extra $ for gas.

Team Rootbeer · 06-11-2005, 12:05 AM

awesome....snail are you talking ab the swap for that price or the wiring.....bc ive never swapped a motor b4, and i could use some help and would love to have it done in one day

TheSnail · 06-11-2005, 01:34 AM

300$ + gas for the whole swap including wiring. Im the cheapest, yet the best

We can bump it to 400$ if you wish.

sLiDewAys · 06-11-2005, 03:38 AM

yeah, ther are a lot of ca-s14 owners on nico supprisingly........ kinda out of subject but cuzan0's ca18 on nico is s till 1.8L and puting 277 wheel on simple bolt ons.. i can get dyno vid and post link if anyone is intrested..

blu808 · 06-11-2005, 04:39 AM

Ok i understand the cheapness of the ca powerplant, etc. But you may want to consider a different powertrain seeing as there is little aftermarket support, and oem parts availible comparitive to sr20 parts, or even rb parts.

Also That is a very old motor.

Just thought i would put a thought into it for you.

thesilviadaemon · 06-11-2005, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by blu808

and oem parts availible comparitive to sr20 parts, or even rb parts.

OEM parts are MUCH easier to find than sr20, or rb. Almost all the parts to the CA can be gotten at your local parts store.

Hey Spenc, this is Brandon. I can help you with the motor swap, but it won't get done in a day

sLiDewAys · 06-11-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by blu808

Ok i understand the cheapness of the ca powerplant, etc. But you may want to consider a different powertrain seeing as there is little aftermarket support, and oem parts availible comparitive to sr20 parts, or even rb parts.

Also That is a very old motor.

Just thought i would put a thought into it for you.

such a predictable SR owner remarck... there is a lot of arftermarket support seeing that all the turbo and plumbing from sr can be directly linked to the ca18 w/ minor changes. all yuour fuel injector needs can be found at the local junk yards for under 100.00. as for tuning, w hich becomes a problem becasue not many people int eh states care for ca nor want to reflash their ECM's but u can pikc up these ROM chips CUSTOM from this guy online, he tunes and sets them for your specific settings and u just SAFC the rest........ as for ca18 being OLD? what... by 1 year? LMAOs erriously they stopped production in 91 which is when sr debuted... which is probly the year half the sr's here on zilvia are. as for ca18 parts being a rarity to find for replacment, you can jsut go down to the junk yard and pull most of everything off of ca16de ( cams, water pump pulley and some other things i havent uet tried) the dealership can get just about oanyand everything for th e ca18de and ca18et turbo from the s12 200sx. and by the motor being old has nothing to do with how it will perform if it is in good running condition...unles your car houses one and youve tried to see its potential when moded then dont speak.. the sr20 is a good decent motor but just take a look at the ca's characteristics, closely similar to rb.

***quote) from midwest240sx.com

"The Technical @#%$:

The CA used an iron block unlike the SR which runs an aluminum block but despite that there is not much of an overall weight difference in the two motors. The CA LIKE THE SR has the piston oil squirters and crank stud girdle. The SR uses a 4 runner manifold into a 4 port head, the CA on the other hand runs a 4 runner manifold that splits into 8 entering the head as an 8 runner manifold. The big difference in the two motors is in the valvetrains. The SR20 only has 4 cam lobes per cam not 8 like the CA does. With 8 valves per side on the SR Nissan had to use a rocker arm arrangement to actuate paired valves simultaneously from a single lobe. It's cheaper to implement than the CA's setup but causes valvetrain loss and noise. The CA runs true 8 lobe cams which act directly on top of the valves. Much more effecient, less moving parts, better revs, etc.. That's one of the reasons that the CA is considered to be a more FREE REVVING engine than the SR. The biggest advantage the SR20 has is it is a bigger capacity motor. 2.0L in comparison to the CA's 1.8 ( no replacement for dispacement right?) . The SR20 has a relatively long stroke, it's stroke is longer than the width of it's bore. The stroke to rod length ratio is at a point where the engine still revs well, but it suffers from "excess stroke". This is another reason the the ca is considered to be better reving (smoother not higher), unlike the SR with it's "over-square" design the CA uses a square design (stroke=bore). The SR is capable of handling more power on the stock bottom end. I've heard of 400-450PS being possible with the correct tuning on a stock SR bottom end while 400PS isn't quite feasble with an CA18DET... A big reason again being the difference in displacement.
(quote) from midwest240sx.com*****

Var · 06-11-2005, 12:52 PM

2 shitty motors battle it out. who will win? who cares.

420sx · 06-11-2005, 02:08 PM

wow..... LOW budget.... puting a junked OLD as my grandma motor in. what, do you expect for it not to break on you soon?
you got cash for straight up rebuild? no? then forget about it.
for drift = ka is the shit.= low $

JH · 06-11-2005, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sLiDewAys

there is a lot of arftermarket support seeing that all the turbo and plumbing from sr can be directly linked to the ca18 w/ minor changes. all yuour fuel injector needs can be found at the local junk yards for under 100.00. as for tuning, w hich becomes a problem becasue not many people int eh states care for ca nor want to reflash their ECM's but u can pikc up these ROM chips CUSTOM from this guy online, he tunes and sets them for your specific settings and u just SAFC the rest........

awesome! so to get parts to work on the CA18 you need to either modify them or get them from the junkyard??? I'm sold!! that's the RIGHT way to do it i tell ya!
post from other board is erroneous btw... i.e. sr20 is square motor, not over-square... and how many people have personally had revving problems with sr20 besides what they read about on the internet? it does happen, but not as often the internet tells you, esp if you're not a negligent driver. aw shit whoops, this is zilvia.... um.... ok don't get sr20s pls.

blu808 · 06-11-2005, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sLiDewAys

such a predictable SR owner remarck... there is a lot of arftermarket support seeing that all the turbo and plumbing from sr can be directly linked to the ca18 w/ minor changes. all yuour fuel injector needs can be found at the local junk yards for under 100.00. as for tuning, w hich becomes a problem becasue not many people int eh states care for ca nor want to reflash their ECM's but u can pikc up these ROM chips CUSTOM from this guy online, he tunes and sets them for your specific settings and u just SAFC the rest........ as for ca18 being OLD? what... by 1 year? LMAOs erriously they stopped production in 91 which is when sr debuted... which is probly the year half the sr's here on zilvia are. as for ca18 parts being a rarity to find for replacment, you can jsut go down to the junk yard and pull most of everything off of ca16de ( cams, water pump pulley and some other things i havent uet tried) the dealership can get just about oanyand everything for th e ca18de and ca18et turbo from the s12 200sx. and by the motor being old has nothing to do with how it will perform if it is in good running condition...unles your car houses one and youve tried to see its potential when moded then dont speak.. the sr20 is a good decent motor but just take a look at the ca's characteristics, closely similar to rb.

***quote) from midwest240sx.com

"The Technical @#%$:

The CA used an iron block unlike the SR which runs an aluminum block but despite that there is not much of an overall weight difference in the two motors. The CA LIKE THE SR has the piston oil squirters and crank stud girdle. The SR uses a 4 runner manifold into a 4 port head, the CA on the other hand runs a 4 runner manifold that splits into 8 entering the head as an 8 runner manifold. The big difference in the two motors is in the valvetrains. The SR20 only has 4 cam lobes per cam not 8 like the CA does. With 8 valves per side on the SR Nissan had to use a rocker arm arrangement to actuate paired valves simultaneously from a single lobe. It's cheaper to implement than the CA's setup but causes valvetrain loss and noise. The CA runs true 8 lobe cams which act directly on top of the valves. Much more effecient, less moving parts, better revs, etc.. That's one of the reasons that the CA is considered to be a more FREE REVVING engine than the SR. The biggest advantage the SR20 has is it is a bigger capacity motor. 2.0L in comparison to the CA's 1.8 ( no replacement for dispacement right?) . The SR20 has a relatively long stroke, it's stroke is longer than the width of it's bore. The stroke to rod length ratio is at a point where the engine still revs well, but it suffers from "excess stroke". This is another reason the the ca is considered to be better reving (smoother not higher), unlike the SR with it's "over-square" design the CA uses a square design (stroke=bore). The SR is capable of handling more power on the stock bottom end. I've heard of 400-450PS being possible with the correct tuning on a stock SR bottom end while 400PS isn't quite feasble with an CA18DET... A big reason again being the difference in displacement.
(quote) from midwest240sx.com*****

Ohh sorry. I really must not know anything about these motors considering i have done countless sr swaps, a few ca swaps, and rb swaps. Im just saying the ca is a piece of crap. Thats my opinion, and get over it.

BTW i have blown up many sr motors and I believe they suck as well. Thats why im going to a ls1.

TheTicTac · 06-11-2005, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blu808

Ohh sorry. I really must not know anything about these motors considering i have done countless sr swaps, a few ca swaps, and rb swaps. Im just saying the ca is a piece of crap. Thats my opinion, and get over it.

BTW i have blown up many sr motors and I believe they suck as well. Thats why im going to a ls1.

So LS1's don't blow up?

**Phlip** · 06-11-2005, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheTicTac

So LS1's don't blow up?

I have never seen one blown the fuck up for what seems to be no reason at all, while I personally know 2 people and have talked with 3-5 others who have blown SRs up under what was basically normal operation and I even know a couple of KAs to send themselves off to hell for no apparent reason.

raen419 · 06-11-2005, 04:29 PM

spenc, it's a great idea.
brandon, C, mario, and myself can help you with the swap.
C has done 2 CA swaps in the past like....year and a half. it's not hard. just need wiring mainly...and that's not too complicated.

NismoSilvia270R · 06-11-2005, 04:30 PM

http://www.paddy.co.jp

f'it

i got a magazine [?'king of used parts'?] that has garage paddy's ca18det s14 on the cover.

its yellow and silver

if i find pics that work...

06-10-2005, 01:02 PM	#6
240trainee Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 34 Posts: 3,861 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Your friend Not a big fan of Nico anymore, but this is the best CA resource I found when I was doing my swap. I don't remember what shop, but there was a guy who worked for a shop that had a CA18 stroked iirc to 1.9, then swapped it out for an SR and promptly blew it up. hahaha __________________ Team Pterodactyl SHARK ATTACK!!! LookoutDrift

06-10-2005, 03:02 PM	#12
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 47 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Very, very easy. Same mounting as SR, nearly same wiring as SR. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

06-11-2005, 12:52 PM	#23
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	2 shitty motors battle it out. who will win? who cares. __________________ Hi

06-11-2005, 02:08 PM	#24
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	wow..... LOW budget.... puting a junked OLD as my grandma motor in. what, do you expect for it not to break on you soon? you got cash for straight up rebuild? no? then forget about it. for drift = ka is the shit.= low $ __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

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06-10-2005, 12:50 PM	#2
jOeHaCk98 Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 730 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yes. done before.

06-10-2005, 12:53 PM	#4
TheSnail Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Marietta Georgia Age: 39 Posts: 2,434 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I can make the harness for you. What year s14?

06-10-2005, 01:25 PM	#8
JH Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: blah Posts: 174 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	#1: if you're on a "low budget," don't do ANY swap...especially a budget so low that you're considering putting a CA18DET into an S14 #2: see #1

06-10-2005, 10:28 PM	#14
TheSnail Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Marietta Georgia Age: 39 Posts: 2,434 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I can load the tools in the truck, drive to you, instal it and have you on the road in less then a day. For $300 plus gas.

06-10-2005, 10:48 PM	#16
TheSnail Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Marietta Georgia Age: 39 Posts: 2,434 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	But Phlip has strings attached, by living in NC. His price is 2cents lower them mine, but dont let him fool you on the 59.98 extra $ for gas.

06-11-2005, 01:34 AM	#18
TheSnail Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Marietta Georgia Age: 39 Posts: 2,434 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	300$ + gas for the whole swap including wiring. Im the cheapest, yet the best We can bump it to 400$ if you wish.

06-11-2005, 03:38 AM	#19
sLiDewAys Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco, Ca Age: 36 Posts: 1,787 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	yeah, ther are a lot of ca-s14 owners on nico supprisingly........ kinda out of subject but cuzan0's ca18 on nico is s till 1.8L and puting 277 wheel on simple bolt ons.. i can get dyno vid and post link if anyone is intrested..

06-11-2005, 04:39 AM	#20
blu808 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Campbell, Ca Age: 38 Posts: 5,010 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Ok i understand the cheapness of the ca powerplant, etc. But you may want to consider a different powertrain seeing as there is little aftermarket support, and oem parts availible comparitive to sr20 parts, or even rb parts. Also That is a very old motor. Just thought i would put a thought into it for you.

06-11-2005, 04:29 PM	#29
raen419 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Jasper, AL Age: 38 Posts: 253 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	spenc, it's a great idea. brandon, C, mario, and myself can help you with the swap. C has done 2 CA swaps in the past like....year and a half. it's not hard. just need wiring mainly...and that's not too complicated.

06-11-2005, 04:30 PM	#30
NismoSilvia270R Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clarksville Age: 35 Posts: 509 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	http://www.paddy.co.jp f'it i got a magazine [?'king of used parts'?] that has garage paddy's ca18det s14 on the cover. its yellow and silver if i find pics that work...