chibo

Preface: This is a huge rant which I've been mulling over for like.. the past 5 years. I started gaming back when I was 5 in 1992 with Wolfenstein 3D on a 386 and ever since then I was pretty heavily into FPS games. You might want to leave if you're a console gamer.

What is it with games these days? I remember when Unreal came out and revolutionized the world with -real graphics-. I remember when Half-Life came out and brought a true story and immersion to games. I remember when Q3A came out and brought the hardcore FPS genre into existance. Lately everything has been done and there is really no revolution happening anywhere, it seems like companies are just pumping games out that lack depth to make a profit.

It seems like consoles have ruined gaming because the community that buys consoles ends up buying a bunch of games that they really don't stick with. Companies end up having to power pump games just to get new people, and they are stuck moving architectures every few years because consoles quickly go out of style.

On the terms of MMOs nothing decent has come out since WoW. I've played my fair share of Korean MMOs which are based around anime chicks, grinding, and hats/clothes for show and I've also played WoW on and off since open beta. Played EQ and UO back in the day as well. It seems like nothing has come out since WoW, I mean Aion just came out and it turns out to be a very overhyped KMMO - I'm pretty disappointed.

Everything seems to be watered down to port to consoles and to cater to the ADD-ridden console player.

Maybe I just long for the days of tight knit shit like Q3A Rail Only OSP competitively (Q3DM17 REPRESENT) with the top 20 players in the world or Unreal Tournament (DECK16 REPRESENT) with my Dad back in middle school - we were both very legit players. Either way, gaming is fucked now. I don't want to hear people naysaying me that started out playing shit like Halo, real men started out on dialup with bombass shit like Duke Nukem. I mean fuck, a bunch of idiots think those soundclips like HEADSHOT and KILLING SPREE originated in Half-Life. I guess I am bitter about it, damn kids, get off my lawn. Don't get me wrong, consoles back in the day had the jam too - SNES/Genesis/N64/Playstation/Dreamcast/etc. Shit, Dreamcast was far better than anyone ever gave it credit for - that system was fucking ahead of it's time and featured a shitload of plain amazing games.



Also, why did we jack a shitload of smilies from Somethingawful?

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Matej

Glad to see I am not the only one who thinks this.

While I am not much of a first person or shooter fan, I definitely see where you are coming from, and you come to the same point as me. This will probably end up being another long post.

It seems that nowadays everyone only wants the best/latest graphics, as much action as possible, and 'realism.' In turn, things such as storyline, dialogue, and atmosphere come secondary. I guess people do not have the attention span to care about such things anymore, but it is what makes or breaks a game for me.

For example, in my opinion the original two Fallouts were definitely 'epic' games. The graphics were not anything revolutionary, the gameplay was not really new, third person turn-based combat is definitely not realistic, but I was completely sucked into the world of those games, and they were really fun. Plus I liked all the hidden humor and random background story bits scattered throught. You could tell how much time was put into those games.

However, OP, if you liked WoW, you should try Lord of the Rings Online. I know games based on movies are almost always terrible, but this one is actually very fun, and it is based on the movie very loosely. It is mainly based on the books/set in the same world. To be honest, I like it better than WoW. (End of total nerd paragraph, haha.)

Also, I miss goofy 2D adventure games, such as Teen Agent or Monkey Island. It seems that 3D killed the comedy adventure genre, it just does not have the same warm atmosphere.

There are plenty of good-looking and fun games nowadays, but none of them seem to suck me in as much or have the replay value that games used to have. Also, everything seems to be a sequel or prequel to some successful title to market on its popularity, there are barely any original new titles worth playing anymore.

Maybe I am just getting too old and growing out of playing games, and all I have left is reminiscing about the 'good old days.'
That is probably it.

ayuaddict

i think i have played all of three games in my life.

Super Smash Brothers (N64)
Chrono Cross.
Gran Turismo.

all i know is those games are old and i really enjoyed them.

i dont really keep up with stuff but newer games dont attract me.

BustedS13

yo, dis sum FPS thread?

i got a Creative Sound Blaster starter kit deal for christmas around 1993. CD-ROM, two shitty speakers, soundblaster card. i remember playing wolfenstein the first time with that and the nazis spoke german. it was so sick.
my dad worked for the government, and he took me to work one day in 1994 and we spent the whole day playing Doom, doing four player deathmatches with his coworkers. they had an eight foot tall rear projection that i got to play on.
when Doom II came out, my dad brought home a pirated copy, and we spent hours a day playing it.
i had a couple programs to make maps with, and i traded them on a forum. i hosted them on an Angelfire website. i have retained the ability to write in HTML.
i made a map of my grade school. i used to haul my tower over to a buddy's house and we'd deathmatch in it. fucking sick.
i had Eric Harris' Doom maps before Columbine happened.
when Quake 3 came out I had a Voodoo3 2000 graphics card.
Q3A is, to date, the best multiplayer FPS of all time.
Q4 sucked.
a few years ago I found out about something called Skulltag. it's Doom multiplayer with mouselook and jumping and some other shit, 16 player dmatch. it's balls out, i still play it to this day.
in 2006 my roommate bought a 360 and COD3. I now know how shitty it is, but it changed my outlook on console shooters. yes, Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were cool, but they were just fun. Call Of Duty made it serious.
COD4 is the FPS i still play the most. [email protected] sucks. I have MW2 reserved with the night vision goggles and shit.
I haven't played a new FPS on pc that was worth playing since 1999, when Q3A came out, and i guess that's the tie-in to this thread. i've heard FarCry is cool, but i don't think i have the processing power to actually play it.


..as for games that AREN'T fps... uh. GTA4 is cool. and i've been playing Batman: Arkham Asylum a lot lately. it's fun. the last really AWESOME game i played, though, was Dead Space. i'd recommend it to anybody with a good sound system.

video game companies now seem to pander to people who can't play video games, though. Guitar Hero and anything on the Wii and all the pussy modes and "press X to not die" bullshit. hardcore gaming died with the Dreamcast, brah.

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Kougeki

The most messed up game I ever played, Oregon Trail.
I mean, your daughter dies! WTF!
I think the last best game i played that
I actually ENJOYED playing was Kingdom hearts.

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ayuaddict

oh yea i forgot about perfect dark, i very much enjoyed that shit.

dahveed

Team fortress 2!

XperienceM5G

I enjoy myself a pretty game from time to time, but you're right about all of that. Nothing makes a game more enjoyable to me than good dialogue, and storyline. It's all about the minor details to me.

I'm only 20, so I haven't really been around for the birth of FPS or anything like that. But I still remember the first time I played through Half-Life. That game brought me to a new realization of quality in that realm. I still find myself popping in Blue Shift & Opposing Force from time to time just because I loved the dual story lines you can play in Black Mesa. Sure the graphics are shit in comparison to say, Halo 8 or whatever it is now. But it's still fantastic gaming.

Fallout and Elder Scrolls are much the same in quality in my opinion. Bethesda doesn't release games every month like most big time companies *cough* EA *cough*, and I'm glad that they don't. In my own opinion I would much rather wait years for a bath of solid gold that I can immerse hours upon hours of my time in playing and even replaying than paying for something I run through once and never touch again.

It's the new generation now days, no one has an attention span of more than 5 seconds tops. Most kids don't have enough patience to want to know whats going on in a game, they would rather just skip it all, blast their way to the finish line, and skip the credits.

I do miss the days of the 2D glory, some games for the SNES I would say are still in my top 10 of favorite games ever. FF3(6) Umm, yes?

What it really comes down to lately is that it's all been done before, its hard to even find a concept for a game that hasn't been made in some way shape or form already. Which makes it increasingly hard for the few companies I still have faith in to keep making classics. But I still have faith. It just means I have to research a lot before I pull out my wallet to purchase a game, or wait a few months or even years for it.

And even though i've beaten everything in my collection, most more than once. I'm still happy with the classics =D

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BustedS13

p.s.

QUAD DAMAGE





i've often sincerely considered a Q3A logo tattoo. but not a tramp stamp of it.

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HyperTek

the problem with the game market today is theres too many freaking games.. Games cost a shitload to make now a days, and if you dont put the money , voice actors, msuci into it, its gonna flop cuz it will always be compared to other games. The only epic games today are gonna be the ones that come out big with years of development behind them imo. latest epic games i picked up where resident evil 5, metal gear solid 4, and GTA4 on my ps3, im expecting uncharted 2 to be epic since the first one was pretty dam good for ps3.

And its tough because some games can be potentially epic but only exist on a system that you might not even have, theres a few xboxs games that everyone loves but i never even touched a xbox lol.

Lets not forget that game developers have to produce their game for every freaking system now, which i think can kinda suck a lil bit.

But yeah i been around gaming for years and you did mention some great FPS games, remember Deus Ex? tthat game was great.

I remember playing Tomb Raider underworld a while back and thinking how not so epic these games are anymore, only the first ones where awesome for their time, every installment of tomb raider just kinda sucks besides lookin at a better lara croft lol

Sometimes simple is better in my opinion, i sold my DS lite a few years ago but dam i loved new super mario bros on that thing.

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BustedS13

oh, and whenever i want real enjoyment, i play classic games on real consoles. a portion of my collection



the G1 sucks at low light. yes, that's a Sega CD. i have a 32x but it's in storage.

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chibo

^^^ Hero.

I bought a used DS Lite along with a R4DS and sampled almost every game. I sold it about a month later out of boredom.
God, it's so cartoony though.
Oh my god, we're like bros. Also, someone who knows where I am coming from when I say Q3A is the best multiplayer FPS ever. That game was the epitome of competition and skill.
I will need to check that out, and yes, Farcry looked cool when I saw my father playing it... but it's just not my style, I crave Q3A action.
On this note: Gravis pad with Commander Keen.
I think I feel where you are coming from too, I just feel like I'm being forced to grow up out of everything

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HyperTek

farcry is old now, it was dope when it came out.. farcry 2 i hear was crap so i never touched it.. Crysis was cool too but i never picked up the expansions or any of that stuff, its worth a play thru but not enough to keep me comin back.

anyone play interstate 76?

that game was sick.. 70s cars vehicle combat, knock-off music soundtrack lol

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BustedS13

COMMANDER KEEN MOTHERFUCKER YEAH

fuckin' marooned on mars, and shit.

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kingkilburn

The only difference with new games is that you are more aware of the serious crap you have to wade through to find the good shit. You can't tell me there weren't a crap ton of horrible games back in the day. How many SF2 and Mario clones can you think of? How many Nazi shooters do you remember?

It is very easy to keep your blinders up while being nostalgic.

For some good current gen games you should try FarCry 2, Mass Effect, MegaMan 9(hard as fuck), and Dead Space.

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BustedS13

one. Wolfenstein 3D.
it was easy to spot shit games. they were a lot cheaper than good games, and they came in shittier packaging. now all games are sixty dollars, whether they're shit or not, and come in uniform dvd cases.

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kingkilburn

Did I say Dead Space?


Ya, Dead Space is good shit.

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kingkilburn

I remember the cheaper part(Katamari is still dope) but I don't remember to many games coming in nonstandard packaging.

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chibo

Maybe, but I really can't think of anything lately that has fallen on the level of Q3A, Unreal/Unreal Tournament, Half-Life, etc. It's true about the shitty old games though, they came in shitty boxes and it was pretty easy to tell a fake.

Every game lately is 'consolized'. I mean shit, look at NFS:Shift - you can't even use a fucking mouse in the game - not even the menus. It seems the days of hardcore gamers is more or less over unless you stick to the small icebergs that have been floating in the middle of the ocean, which are hard to find and very tight knit.

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BustedS13

PC games didn't have standard sized boxes until the turn of the century. they all came in different sized boxes, cases, etc

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90hatchie

only fps games i played were medal of honor allied assault (fuckin kick ass) and battle feild vietnam
yeaaaaaa

BOROSUN

anyone play MAG demo? can't wait for this game.
256 ppl trying to coordinate, its gonna be fun.

kingkilburn

I think a big part of why you don't get these epic FPSs is that the gaming industry has to have some sort of crossover experience. Its got to have a gimmick. That rarely translates well in multiplayer. I don't see a slow paced game like Dead Space being very fun in team capture the flag.

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BustedS13

256? wat?
searching

it's for ps3, boo. stopped caring :/

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chibo

CTF in Team Fortress Classic, Q3A, and to a smaller extent - UT2003 were pretty godly. I wonder if we will ever get another truly fast game that lets you take advantage of game physics as much as Quake 3. Check out DeFrag videos if you want to get an idea of what I am talking about.
Watch this shit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI-Wa...eature=related <- this video is normal game speed, everything feels slow as shit now a days compared to this

The in the air rocketing / railing / rocket juggling was a normal thing. The timing was all perfect where it became second nature to lead people correctly when they had jumped from a given area.

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ESmorz

What needs to happen is Bethesda needs to make a Zombie game.

In the same vein as Oblivion and Fallout 3.

40+ hours of gameplay. Zombie Apocalypse. FPS RPG. Not some cheesey ass arcade game, but a gritty fucking game that makes you choose between peoples lives and your own ammo or medical and food supply.

Winner.

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tunersedge

IMO, metal gear solid 4 was an epic game.

Matej

The one new game I am currently kind of excited for is Diablo 3.
Hope they will not butcher it.

chibo

At least Blizzard doesn't release shit games... oh wait, WoW was unfinished and very buggy when it was shipped.

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Matej

Blizzard always releases games late and unfinished.
Pretty sure Diablo 2 was released like two years late, and it was still 'unfinished' anyway, haha.
But at least their games usually end up being pretty fun.