ESmorz

There is no next level.

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PANGES

The next level sucks, because that's always the more expensive one.

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soreballz

Fool, you don't buy parts anyway. You just buy prebuilt cars.

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ESmorz

Zoom, Zoom, Zoom

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steve shadows

I was thinking about something the other day...

If I built a car right now - RIGHT NOW for 400 whp - with my knowledge and competence, I could probably reach 500 whp with an sr20det with a budget of about 8000 bucks- for everything + maybe 2000 for the car.

The cheap IC, IM, injectors, EMS everything soo cheap lol

so crappy but soo sooo cheap

hence the market goes -

Luckily the only thing you cannot skimp on is the EMS- you cant get a "knock off Standalone"

Which you shouldnt, but hard parts - as long as they don't melt crack or leak are just hard parts -

Not what I believe but that's what peoples wallets say...

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azndoc

Blah blah blah blah blah

Such a boring thread.

Could we please just skip to the part where you tell us who this person is?

PM me I'm just fucking curious.

kingkilburn

/\ I second that, again.

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bboyoracle

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Everyone knows everyone on zilvia. So let us know who this guy is and let the "virtual smackdown" begin

Om1kron

Yeah because like it's him personally that devised an evil plan to replicate supermade parts... LOL!!!

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Teknolust72

Om1kron, you might know him, since he's part of VRT....

I thought everyone in VRT was cool people, but I guess there is always a bad apple....

I don't want to call him out like that until Super Made Japan has personally contacted him. But if he wants he is more than welcome to speak up, cuz I think he's following this thread....

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YoungGun

Wait so someone is trying copy Supermade bodykits? And Supermade is going to try and stop them? Is this even possible?

Oh and about the knockoff parts. Like some have said there are some parts that you can spend A LOT less money on rather than buying name brand and being broke. I've learned my lesson and have broken a pair of EBAY toe arms. Was this a wise purchase? no. I bought them because I bought a bunch of other suspension parts at the time and was running out of money. After that I bought some toe arms from a reputable company. I still have cheap parts on my car, but i'd rather have cheap parts and actually be driving my car on the track every month rather than buying expensive parts and hardpark. I mean thats just my situation, I know some people have more money and they spend it on name brand stuff, good for you.

ByeByeSti

Come onnnn just let it outt

oh and the fact that people insist on blaming kids for shit like this? negative. im 19 and have owned s14's for the past 3 years. yes i have a cheap knock off uras kit i think its actually a chaser kit. but it was an hour from my house, and i just picked up the car which had alot more rust issues then ive ever seen on an s14. well i picked up the kit with over fenders and fenders for 400.... cant complain. yes its junk. no its without a doubt not staying on there. bought something for the mean time... my last s14 had autentic vertex. and now this winter this one will also be either getting origin or some more vertex. knockoffs- fitment is without a doubt an issue, my sideskirts where they go into your door jam had an extra inch of fiberglass that was in the way.... sure enough they had to be cut and look like shit. this kit will become a donation to the track in the spring while my good aero will be for other times. since the age of 16 ive been able to paint cars without a problem, single and 2 stage with ease... not all kids are retarded so dont group us all together like that thank you. and i went performance before show.. i bought my first s13 sr years ago and have been picking away at it over time. quality parts such as tanabe medallion exhaust, exedy hyper single, greddy fmic, vertex, origin, deatchwerks, hks and much more. yes, i admit i did spend the money at first and buy a p.o.s megan turbo mani... that lasted about a week before it was back out of my door because i had regretted it..

yes knockoffs do effect the economy and the income of the other producers. stuff like those junk ebay turbo kits that dont last for shit. that all the "fanboys" insist on buying just so that they can have a turbo'd car thats not going to last to long or put out that much...
if you cant afford the parts you want, and buy knockoffs. just dont brag about your car, and dont sit there and complain when it breaks.. or when you buy knockoff kits, dont whine if the fitment sucks. i knew my kit would suck, and i knew what its purpose is for in the spring time..

oh and built not bought, big believer in that one right there..

S13_Nightkid

I just try to get OEM quality shit. But there isn't really a complete arguement for either side.
Im not supporting knockoffs but how many of you have and AEM or whatever CAI?
Ebay has em for like 30$ and it does the SAME exact thing. You could also argue knockoff shit makes your car break down etc. If you wanna take that risk to fuck up your shit go ahead. If you wanna be baller and have Greddy, HKS, etc go ahead. Like someone said earlier, its either the boutique or the flea market?Maybe

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Brian

I really really held off on contributing to this.
I figure, now is the time though. I know if I started the thread it would have been locked...


Anyways,

90% of you just do not get the bigger picture of any of this. You are selfish, individualistic people who just cannot see outside your own little box.

Enjoy.

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CrimsonRockett

AEM is guaranteed quality fitment.

eBay is hit or miss.

AEM is CARB legal.

eBay isn't.

That's the difference.

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ESmorz

The people who care... care.

The people who don't... don't.

They know what they are doing and some threads on Zilvia aren't going to change that fact. What we DO need is something said by the REAL companies. Fight this shit, let the consumer know you are the top dogs for a reason and why they should buy their crap and that you need our money to give us new and better stuff. Put these knock off companies on blast and maybe try and get a little bit innovative with some new products that the market isn't already flooded with. A multi-pronged attack on the knock offs if you will.

This entire time I have never heard a press release or whatever you want to call it of any of the major players calling these shit companies out. At this point what do you have to lose? I want to see their fighting spirit, I want to see that they will do whatever is necessary to have me as a customer.

Not just some company that sits back and takes all this crap. Take the aftermarket by the balls and take charge.


Or we can just wait till all the 240's are wrecked or rusted out and then a few hundred thousand miles later, all the honda's and not have to worry about this.

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Om1kron

I'll stop you right here....

Violent Running Tribe is a group of friends and I would prefer if the name would not be associated with this thread in any manner. If you want to call someone out for replicating body parts then call him out.

I mean you would basically be slandering another company, and you as a business man should know better. (Since they can take legal action against you for that.) The person you're trying to flame is only involved in this because the company he works for deals with after market parts and is an aero manufacture... And instead of waiting for distributors like yourself and everyone else to get off of their ass with 6 month waits and ridiculous shipping was prompted with the opportunity to put his jobs ability to obtain these items for him directly cutting out the middleman.

All his company asked for in return was to mold the items in return for him to use their services....

Most people like to act like it's some ancient secret how they obtain hard to get parts or don't want to share information on who supplies their shit so they can make max profit off of the items they bust their ass to bring over here.

So really do you want to fault him for using his resources and saving some money at the same time.

Go for it, be my guest. I don't judge...

He has real super made on his car, he has sold nothing but real super made during this transaction. So if you want to hate him for buying a super made kit for every nissan model they make a kit for and in return sold what he didn't need to the public and friends. Then please blast him for selling the real super made aero.

People want to make things trendy and blow it in other peoples faces that they have the hottness and nobody else can have it, someone else makes it available and then everyone is over it and jumps on the next bandwagon.

I don't care for super-made aero, and unless that company this thread is slandering is producing these kits and selling them currently at the moment I dont understand why you persist to even mention "the culprit" like it's his fault supermade shall be disgraced.

Please start with attacking Version Select and Origin for copying vertex and uras and making slight changes to the designs so not to infringe...

but it's ok because it comes from japan right?

I don't want to flame or start arguments, but it will be a never ending life cycle and it's not Extreme Dimensions for once.

Support real products and continue to buy them, or spend your money as you please, it does not affect me in any way. Does it affect supermade and companies who made this rad stuff in japan...

maybe, but what can we do about it?

someone get me m-sports and a fucking juicebox!

pronto

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ByeByeSti

Well said man! and sorry there will still be no love for hondas even after all 240s are wrecked and rusted out.. save them. in the end, rust can be fixed

bboyoracle

Soooooo? Who is it lol

DMaxUSA

Super Made is fully instock in the U.S. now, so there is no reason to pay exorbant shipping prices and to wait many many months.

And Super Made was even willing to sponsor some local drivers....

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irax

lol everyone is up in arms about knock off body kits for drift cars that are going to crash anyways. I would care more if this was a VIP forum and talking about knock off Junction Produce or other high quality 99.99999999% perfect fit kits. I got authentic Bai-westco s14.3 fenders and the fit isn't perfect. who cares right? but when I thought about making copies of a fixed version of these fenders a few friends put me on blast, and others said go for it, its not like tones of people would buy it. fucking hilarious.

besides, it sounds like a company is going to be making the knock offs and not the individual.


what about attacking the companies that sell copies as authentic? Why don't we list them and name names of companies that are supporting knock offs...

i'm sure your favorite might be on there.... except if its speed alliance/vertex all their shit is legit, not being sarcastic, I know they don't sell knock off stuff I just don't know any other company that sells only 100% authentic stuff and 0% chinese/eGay/knockoff... well other than Powered By Max.

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HyperTek

Id hate to see this thread get closed because someone got offended.

This thread kind of relates to http://zilvia.net/f/chat/229095-s-ch...n-jumpers.html in my opinion.. If you been around the game before the whole knock off game, you might be a little more respectful of why some wish this way.

I suppose if you stepped into the game when the 240s have already hit their recent popularity in the past recent years, then you might not mind the cheap knock offs.

JDM Insider *the dvds* are very informative about the whole knock off game, theres such passion behind car tuning. There was a interview with Ueno speaking in regards to knock offs *im tryin to find that clip on youtube*, Basically Ueno has to eat too! everyone is taking food away from him lol

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irax

well to me a knock off kit is semi-justifiable... but other knock off products are not (function over form type of products). At the same time, you could just say never crash your car while drifting lol

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ESmorz

You know you guys sound like our generations parents saying our generation destroyed rock music.

You're afraid of change. We get it.

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HyperTek

Theres also the idea that maybe alot of those companies main target goals is only japan, with no real set goals to expand to America, so i can see that the knock offs are only affecting the US market.. In japan im sure its easy to obtain original parts then it is out here.

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Teknolust72

I apologize for bringing in VRT name into it. It is not my intention to bring the name down, I still have high expectations for you guys, but its just dissapointing this scenario has come about. Like many others, I've always thought as VRT as an awesome street group that was "keeping it real".

I dont expect you to justify his actions, I expect HIM to justify his actions. He surely must know the impending results of allowing the company he works for to copy Super Made. Also, he specifically said, before he purchased the kit, that he would not allow the kit to become copied. I just think his move to allow the kit to be copied to be in "bad taste".

Some of you guys may not know this, but Super Made, like many other Japanese companies, are not really big. Super Made only has 3 people working there. The president, Yoshida-san, is a hard working man, and he built that brand from the ground up. His dream is to be in top 10 in D1GP, and he loves drifting to death. He has even competed in international drift competitions, and won. But due to his poor health, he cut back on practicing and decided to focus his efforts on developing products. He is an individual person, who scrapes by month to month just to support his love of drifting. He is not some huge company who's main goal is to get massive products.

My heart goes out to the guy, and he has done alot for the scene in Japan. It just sucks that someone decides to belittle his efforts....

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HyperTek

I sold my origin stylish fc kit to some guy (legit, i was gonna put it on my fc but faced some tough times so cash was more a priority) and when the guy picked it up and loaded it into his car, he says hes gonna have some company copy it.. At first he told me that hes going to put it on his car because its in the shop getting painted at the moment.... I really couldnt say anything, awkward moment for me, didnt want to see its replicated since there are no copys of it yet. I dont know any thing else other then that.

But the whole legit jdm parts deal was what made 240s cool.. an affordable car that has tons of *imported from japan* parts. Compared to hondas where majority of the bodykits for those *for the longest time* have mostly been american designed parts and aftermarket.

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Phlip

This argument, and the ensuing witch hunt is pure bullshit, so the fact of the matter remains that I am drawing this shit to a close. I have an idea who the person in question is, but it is none of my business to make it known, fuck I could call him and ask him if it so bothered me enough to do so.

I will keep my opinion to myself.

This thread dies now, on the merit of we're all sick and fucking tired about arguing over knockoffs.

Do not PM me about this.

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CrimsonRockett

It's pretty obvious that this thread was meant to put the said person replicating Supermade parts on blast. I'm not here to defend anybody, but if you want to talk about companies producing knock off parts, why not put them all on blast?

There's Extreme Dimensions for example, Raceonusa, Carparthookup(doesn't produce knock-off to my understanding, but advertises a lot of it), etc.

By mentioning him, you make VRT look bad as a whole even though they had nothing to do with it.

Most people agree, a company running knock off parts is like slapping the legit companies in the face because they didn't go through the steps they had to take to produce said parts. All they simply did was hit copy/paste, but whether you like it or not, they're here to stay.

I've already stated my views on knock off parts as well as everybody else, but I can't allow this thread to go on.

If you're going to put someone on blast for copying something, put them all on blast. It's not fair to single someone out simply because he's known and on this forum.

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