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SexPanda · 10-19-2009, 05:00 PM

Well, I know alot of Zilvians are religious, semi-religious, or just like to argue...

That sums up everyone, doesnt it?

How do you feel about the Anti-Christ? He's been everyone from Hitler to Napoleon, to Bush and Obama...

Lets discuss this ish, eh?

*Drift N Dragg* · 10-19-2009, 05:10 PM

I think he is my Step Mother!

BustedS13 · 11-11-2009, 11:54 PM

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I think he is my Step Mother!

I think he's my WIFE when we go GOLFING

I mean, AM I RIGHT?

tsx1racer04 · 10-19-2009, 05:12 PM

I believe the Anti-Christ was invented by the Vatican in order to put fear in people's lives to act good and to always be a good fellow Christian. I don't think an actual Anti-Christ will ever rise, its kinda like a myth or a prophecy that will never come true.

I have never read the Bible myself, however, I have heard that Bible does contradicts itself so many times. In one part, it says you should stone your daughter to death or something like that. It was on the Penn and Teller Bullshit show.

So I think if the Bible says anything about an Anti-Christ you should take it with a grain of salt.

*Drift N Dragg* · 10-19-2009, 05:16 PM

Seems like you should read the Bible first.. Not the Bibletica According to Penn and Teller .. LOL

SexPanda · 10-19-2009, 06:42 PM

I've read the bible.The Book of Revelations didn't scare me... that book just seems like a bad acid trip. I say Ergot poisening, the rantings of an insane old man... But Im not going to argue the validity of the bible here.

Anyhow, Im neutral on this whole topic, but it was on the history channel not long ago, so I thought it'd make a good topic. Alot of people assume he'll be a well versed white man from Europe... What do you think of that?

S14_Kouki · 10-19-2009, 09:09 PM

Iv read that the anti-christ will also be the person whom saves earth.

S14_Kouki · 10-19-2009, 09:18 PM

Watch this its mind blowing. What do you guys think???

I LUV MY S13 · 10-21-2009, 12:08 AM

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Watch this its mind blowing. What do you guys think???

i posted this on the space thread haha

watch THE NOSTRADOMAUS EFFECT

all about the anti-christ....his prophecies say that there will be 3...one was Napoleon, then Hitler, the 3rd is yet to rise...Obama!!...jk

im not really all that religious...50/50..but this show was a trip

nani · 10-20-2009, 09:18 AM

thats stupid, the Antichrist creating a time machine....

drftmark · 10-20-2009, 10:57 AM

I want to get in a time machine and go save the Alamo.

SR240DET · 10-21-2009, 12:04 AM

cool idea for a sci-fi movie.

yota man · 10-21-2009, 01:19 AM

Umm so that guy is saying that mars is the future because it is closer to the sun. But then he says that Saturn->Uranus->Neptune would be a future progression. The second order goes the opposite way of the first and of his original "theory" that the order of the planets is their evolution.

Thats just one of the most obvious things that I found a bit absurd with the video.

I LUV MY S13 · 10-21-2009, 01:24 AM

yea its honestly pretty stupid....but its interesting in a way

SUPERSTAR · 10-23-2009, 06:01 PM

When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

Mi Beardo es Loco · 10-23-2009, 06:07 PM

like god, or santa, or the easter bunny, the anti-christ does not exist.

Ya see, in order for there to be a Anti-Christ there needs to be a Christ.

SuperiorS14 · 11-11-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

like god, or santa, or the easter bunny, the anti-christ does not exist.

Ya see, in order for there to be a Anti-Christ there needs to be a Christ.

wow no faith no hope nothing to look foward to..............christ does exist and he loves you my friend weather you want to believe it or not..............

drift_limo · 11-12-2009, 05:04 PM

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wow no faith no hope nothing to look foward to..............christ does exist and he loves you my friend weather you want to believe it or not..............

christ does not exist. thats were your wrong.
as for the anti-christ. he isnt real either.

only thing or person that loves us is us and family but most of all we gotta love ourselfs.

rc1honda · 11-12-2009, 07:06 PM

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christ does not exist. thats were your wrong.
as for the anti-christ. he isnt real either.

only thing or person that loves us is us and family but most of all we gotta love ourselfs.

This is where people go worng. The Anti-Christ is supposed to be the embodiment of everything evil in human nature. He is only called the anti-christ because Christ was supposed to be the embodiment love and harmony. The Anti-christ is not necessarily a religious figure.

And as we all know, there are evil people in the world. Even if you don't believe in the word "evil" there are people who just want to destroy, cause chaos, maim, and kill. There is no religion behind it. Religious people just seem to warn against the possibility of the extreme killer because they see a reason behind his coming. Whether it be the Rapture or the coming of drastic change.

Don't mistake a figure who stands for destruction as being religious in nature. The Anti, in Anti-Christ is just a way to describe this person, and most likely if the anti-Christ were to rise to power he would be a extremely against religion.

Now throughout history, people who prompted change were labeled by one group or another as the Anti-Christ. One persons anti-christ is another person's redeemer and Messiah.

The bible described the anti-christ as man and John of Patmos(the man who had the vision that would later be included in the bible as the book of Revelation) went so far as to name him be name by encoded. The number of the "Beast" was 666. In ancient Hebrew numbers doubled as letters. The name encoded by that number was Nero. Nero at that time was a bane of Christianity. But also stats that this man will bring peace and freedom to many. As well as solve economic problems through the inception of the encoding of humanity by "the mark of the beast" often interpreted as a microchip embedded in the right hand or forehead.

And then when the Anti-christ has his stranglehold on humanity, for 7 years the Anti-christ causes pain and suffering for all man-kind. The devout Christians having already left the Earth through the Rapture see none of the tribulation. Christ returns to replace order and peace for 1000 years.
Instituting a new Garden of Eden and paradise.

Nostradamus, named 3 anti-christs that would show up before then end of the world. And went so far as to name one of them "Hister". 500 years before the advent of the 3rd Reich. The last one Nostradamus named was a man by a variation of the name Mabus.

Will there every be a Anti-Christ is yet to be seen. But one thing we know for sure is that men crave power. And men are capable of unimaginable evil as seen in the Holocaust, and 10,000 years of war. The only question is if one man will ever rise to a enough high position and be evil enough to cause the downfall of civilization.

Sorry for the wall, but i was very interested in this subject for a long time.

*revat619* · 11-12-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by drift_limo

christ does not exist. thats were your wrong.
as for the anti-christ. he isnt real either.

only thing or person that loves us is us and family but most of all we gotta love ourselfs.

Jesus of Nazareth did in fact exist and was crucified. THIS is historical FACT. and not just in the bible. His life and death are recorded in Roman/Greek documents written in Latin/Greek and are further substantiated by Hebrew texts. These sources are all recognized as legitimate and true historical documents by historians both religious and nonreligious alike. Look it up because obviously you haven't.

Now, whether you believe he is the Christ is up to you, but the person whom that title is tied to did exist.

As for my beliefs, i'm a Christian and believe Jesus to be the Christ. There is nothing anyone can say to change that, so don't bother. Now, is obama the anti-christ? I don't know, nor do i care. I just live my life. That's all i'm going to contribute to this "argument".

allntrlundrgrnd · 11-13-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperiorS14

wow no faith no hope nothing to look foward to..............christ does exist and he loves you my friend weather you want to believe it or not..............

Nothing to look forward to? like heaven?

HA!

Otto347 · 11-12-2009, 06:06 AM

This bitch is the anti christ.

ayuaddict · 11-13-2009, 04:20 AM

yea bro there is going to be a link.

the Romans and Greeks totally posted it on their blogs.

you just gotta check the archive section.

and in case you forgot, everything is on the internet.

everything.

SR240DET · 11-13-2009, 12:36 PM

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yea bro there is going to be a link.

the Romans and Greeks totally posted it on their blogs.

you just gotta check the archive section.

and in case you forgot, everything is on the internet.

everything.

Wow, let me rephrase what I said. I found no reliable source of information of historians around that time period witnessing Jesus or “Christus.” Instead, I found those historians criticizing the Christian faith in that time period. It also appears many theist “pick and choose” from the translations of those historians to support Jesus existence.

Since I cant find any real evidence that support the existence of Jesus, I am asking for somebody to simply provide any evidence supporting that claim.

drift freaq · 11-13-2009, 03:06 PM

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Wow, let me rephrase what I said. I found no reliable source of information of historians around that time period witnessing Jesus or “Christus.” Instead, I found those historians criticizing the Christian faith in that time period. It also appears many theist “pick and choose” from the translations of those historians to support Jesus existence.

Since I cant find any real evidence that support the existence of Jesus, I am asking for somebody to simply provide any evidence supporting that claim.

you sir need to do more in depth study. There is plenty of real evidence to prove the existence of Jesus. That is without a doubt. As for his miracles and or his resurrection? That is debated. Though no one in historical circles doubts the man existed.

The Man existed, he preached a lot of spiritual truths, universal truths. He taught spiritually correct ways to live. If people would stop getting themselves mucked up with their misinterpretations of the bible and just focus on these things they would realize he was quite valuable and influential to man.

Is the religions that have sprung up in his name completely right or correct? Not always. Show me any man in this world that adheres to all the spiritual truths and follows them completely without being sinful or corruptible, and I will show you a monk or someone who is dead.

I.E. man is not perfect, man lies, man gets corrupted by power etc... If we were perfect we would either be monks or not exist.
Therefore given that you cannot expect the bible to exactly perfect or correct. It has been handed down through the ages by man.

Does that mean God or Jesus cannot exist? Hell no. It just means you can't take all of it word for word but you cannot condemn all of it as being nothing but fiction.

The Jews killed in the name of god, the Christians killed in the name of god, Islam has killed in the name of god. Why? Because man has free will giving one the decision to choose , right, wrong, amoral, moral, good, evil. Its up to us to try and adhere to living right.

To many people get caught up in trying to prove existence. Try to learn from the teachings, oh and faith is a important thing in life as well. Faith is really what gives people hope and the drive to be better.

*revat619* · 11-14-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

you sir need to do more in depth study. There is plenty of real evidence to prove the existence of Jesus. That is without a doubt. As for his miracles and or his resurrection? That is debated. Though no one in historical circles doubts the man existed.

The Man existed, he preached a lot of spiritual truths, universal truths. He taught spiritually correct ways to live. If people would stop getting themselves mucked up with their misinterpretations of the bible and just focus on these things they would realize he was quite valuable and influential to man.

Is the religions that have sprung up in his name completely right or correct? Not always. Show me any man in this world that adheres to all the spiritual truths and follows them completely without being sinful or corruptible, and I will show you a monk or someone who is dead.

I.E. man is not perfect, man lies, man gets corrupted by power etc... If we were perfect we would either be monks or not exist.
Therefore given that you cannot expect the bible to exactly perfect or correct. It has been handed down through the ages by man.

Does that mean God or Jesus cannot exist? Hell no. It just means you can't take all of it word for word but you cannot condemn all of it as being nothing but fiction.

The Jews killed in the name of god, the Christians killed in the name of god, Islam has killed in the name of god. Why? Because man has free will giving one the decision to choose , right, wrong, amoral, moral, good, evil. Its up to us to try and adhere to living right.

To many people get caught up in trying to prove existence. Try to learn from the teachings, oh and faith is a important thing in life as well. Faith is really what gives people hope and the drive to be better.

Best thing said in this entire thread.

**Phlip** · 11-14-2009, 03:18 PM

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Best thing said in this entire thread.

Yes, and sadly it contains FAR too many words, people will ignore it and randomly chime in with disrespectful and ignorant statements.
Gotta love that internet.

SR240DET · 11-15-2009, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

you sir need to do more in depth study. There is plenty of real evidence to prove the existence of Jesus. That is without a doubt. As for his miracles and or his resurrection? That is debated. Though no one in historical circles doubts the man existed.

The Man existed, he preached a lot of spiritual truths, universal truths. He taught spiritually correct ways to live. If people would stop getting themselves mucked up with their misinterpretations of the bible and just focus on these things they would realize he was quite valuable and influential to man.

Is the religions that have sprung up in his name completely right or correct? Not always. Show me any man in this world that adheres to all the spiritual truths and follows them completely without being sinful or corruptible, and I will show you a monk or someone who is dead.

I.E. man is not perfect, man lies, man gets corrupted by power etc... If we were perfect we would either be monks or not exist.
Therefore given that you cannot expect the bible to exactly perfect or correct. It has been handed down through the ages by man.

Does that mean God or Jesus cannot exist? Hell no. It just means you can't take all of it word for word but you cannot condemn all of it as being nothing but fiction.

The Jews killed in the name of god, the Christians killed in the name of god, Islam has killed in the name of god. Why? Because man has free will giving one the decision to choose , right, wrong, amoral, moral, good, evil. Its up to us to try and adhere to living right.

To many people get caught up in trying to prove existence. Try to learn from the teachings, oh and faith is a important thing in life as well. Faith is really what gives people hope and the drive to be better.

I want to believe you but I need something to go on, some kind of secular evidence showing he did exist, which is actually kind of hard to find. If he did in fact live, without a doubt, then I am sure presenting valid, secular evidence of his existence would not be a problem.

Science can explain where people get their ethics naturally without the need of a deity. So the “spiritually correct ways to live” may go against what is natural to the human species. I really don’t care to explain, I don’t care if I influence people, but if you really want know ill send you a link that can explain in great detail and evidence to back up the theory.

We possess desire and motivation, which drives people towards prosperity. We are inherently susceptible to wanting more, and it is desire and motivation that keeps us pushing for more until we are satisfied. With out desire and motivation we cannot prosper.

Faith in a religious context is to believe without evidence, which is not desirable. When you put faith towards something you end logical reasoning and knowledge acquisition.

Hope in a religious context is also not desirable. Wanting for something to happen without doing anything. Wishful thinking will not impact reality.

I sincerely believe that this is the only life we have and we shouldn’t be satisfied with good enough. People should make the most of life now and not expect to live in an afterlife. Most Atheists capable of thinking for them selves will feel the same, and agree, we should be good to our fellow humans for the sake of being good without any expectation of a reward or some kind of punishment in an eternal afterlife.

I am steering this thread off topic so If anybody wants to comment on anything i have said then PM me.

racepar1 · 11-15-2009, 09:31 AM

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I want to believe you but I need something to go on, some kind of secular evidence showing he did exist, which is actually kind of hard to find. If he did in fact live, without a doubt, then I am sure presenting valid, secular evidence of his existence would not be a problem.

Dude, you can't be serious... It is un-questionable historical fact that Jesus did live and was an influential religious teacher. Those are facts, you cannot argue those unless you seriously think that all history books and television programs are a big conspiracy and all lies. I mean we really shouldn't have to prove this to you. Hell the Discovery Channel had a show on the actual life of Jesus within the last few months.

It takes FAITH to believe that jesus was actually the son of god, I cannot blame you for questioning that as there is no real proof that that is true. Really that's impossible to prove, just like the existence of God. The only person who could prove that God exists and Jesus is his son is God himself. So that's just a question of whether or not you want to believe, and I can't bash you for doubting.

drift freaq · 11-15-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SR240DET

I want to believe you but I need something to go on, some kind of secular evidence showing he did exist, which is actually kind of hard to find. If he did in fact live, without a doubt, then I am sure presenting valid, secular evidence of his existence would not be a problem.

Science can explain where people get their ethics naturally without the need of a deity. So the “spiritually correct ways to live” may go against what is natural to the human species. I really don’t care to explain, I don’t care if I influence people, but if you really want know ill send you a link that can explain in great detail and evidence to back up the theory.

We possess desire and motivation, which drives people towards prosperity. We are inherently susceptible to wanting more, and it is desire and motivation that keeps us pushing for more until we are satisfied. With out desire and motivation we cannot prosper.

Faith in a religious context is to believe without evidence, which is not desirable. When you put faith towards something you end logical reasoning and knowledge acquisition.

Hope in a religious context is also not desirable. Wanting for something to happen without doing anything. Wishful thinking will not impact reality.

I sincerely believe that this is the only life we have and we shouldn’t be satisfied with good enough. People should make the most of life now and not expect to live in an afterlife. Most Atheists capable of thinking for them selves will feel the same, and agree, we should be good to our fellow humans for the sake of being good without any expectation of a reward or some kind of punishment in an eternal afterlife.

I am steering this thread off topic so If anybody wants to comment on anything i have said then PM me.

Like I said before you need to do more studying on your own. I am not here to spoon feed your lazy ass.
The evidence of existence is there. Like racepar said as well as I said the question of him doing miracles and being the son of god is a debated subject and possibly requires faith.

As far as your toss of ethics to being Scientific proven. You seem to be referring to the Psychiatric community and their desire to try and label every single human emotion and feeling to chemicals.

That has nothing to do with spirituality and in fact spirituality is separate from Religion . These last two points are off topic to the thread.

Oh and again I will say this go out and read a book called God according to God. It was written by a Physicist so it should not scare your atheistic self away.

10-19-2009, 05:00 PM	#1
SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The Anti-Christ thread Well, I know alot of Zilvians are religious, semi-religious, or just like to argue... That sums up everyone, doesnt it? How do you feel about the Anti-Christ? He's been everyone from Hitler to Napoleon, to Bush and Obama... Lets discuss this ish, eh? __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

10-19-2009, 06:42 PM	#6
SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I've read the bible.The Book of Revelations didn't scare me... that book just seems like a bad acid trip. I say Ergot poisening, the rantings of an insane old man... But Im not going to argue the validity of the bible here. Anyhow, Im neutral on this whole topic, but it was on the history channel not long ago, so I thought it'd make a good topic. Alot of people assume he'll be a well versed white man from Europe... What do you think of that? __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

10-19-2009, 09:09 PM	#7
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TPA Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Iv read that the anti-christ will also be the person whom saves earth. __________________ http://www.fabthis.com http://www.childhoodproductions.com/dbfab/store.html

10-19-2009, 09:18 PM	#8
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TPA Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Watch this its mind blowing. What do you guys think??? __________________ http://www.fabthis.com http://www.childhoodproductions.com/dbfab/store.html

10-21-2009, 01:24 AM	#14
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10-19-2009, 05:12 PM	#4
tsx1racer04 Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: 223 Posts: 258 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I believe the Anti-Christ was invented by the Vatican in order to put fear in people's lives to act good and to always be a good fellow Christian. I don't think an actual Anti-Christ will ever rise, its kinda like a myth or a prophecy that will never come true. I have never read the Bible myself, however, I have heard that Bible does contradicts itself so many times. In one part, it says you should stone your daughter to death or something like that. It was on the Penn and Teller Bullshit show. So I think if the Bible says anything about an Anti-Christ you should take it with a grain of salt.

10-20-2009, 09:18 AM	#10
nani Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: maryland Age: 33 Posts: 159 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thats stupid, the Antichrist creating a time machine....

10-20-2009, 10:57 AM	#11
drftmark Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: tx Posts: 524 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I want to get in a time machine and go save the Alamo.

10-21-2009, 12:04 AM	#12
SR240DET Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: orida Posts: 1,488 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	cool idea for a sci-fi movie.

10-21-2009, 01:19 AM	#13
yota man Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Columbia/Florence, Sc Age: 31 Posts: 476 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Umm so that guy is saying that mars is the future because it is closer to the sun. But then he says that Saturn->Uranus->Neptune would be a future progression. The second order goes the opposite way of the first and of his original "theory" that the order of the planets is their evolution. Thats just one of the most obvious things that I found a bit absurd with the video.

10-23-2009, 06:01 PM	#15
SUPERSTAR Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orange Socal** Age: 46 Posts: 6,413 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car. __________________ *"ARE YOU ONE'EM SKID RACERS?"*

11-13-2009, 04:20 AM	#23
ayuaddict Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Socal Age: 32 Posts: 4,017 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	yea bro there is going to be a link. the Romans and Greeks totally posted it on their blogs. you just gotta check the archive section. and in case you forgot, everything is on the internet. everything.

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