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Bad40r7 · 11-30-2007, 05:55 PM

I have been reading up on wheel questions for a while. I ordered a set of wheels in 17x10 +35 offset, with a 275 tire. Put the wheels on, checked everything out and saw nothing rubbing. Put the car in gear and went to go for a drive when the car will go nowhere...Weird huh? Well much to my surprise, the RIM, not even the tire(275 is pushing it) is rubbing on my rear subframe. Tore the HELL out of the rim. Has anyone else experienced this? I was under the impression that it would fit from other wheel threads. Anyone else running a 10 inch wheel in the back with a 275? what is your offset?

BTW-This is for an s14

timlush · 11-30-2007, 05:57 PM

I know that +25 comes really close to rubbing so no way a +35 will work. Not sure where you got your info but you must have misunderstood.

SiI40sx · 11-30-2007, 06:01 PM

Higher the offset the deeper the wheel goes in, lower the offset the more the wheel sticks out.

Damn maybe someone should sticky that?

lflkajfj12123 · 11-30-2007, 06:03 PM

should be required to type that when you make a zilvia account for confirmation

:ghey:

*garagelu* · 11-30-2007, 06:05 PM

I have the 5zigen FN01RC in 17 x 10 and offset 35. I have 245-45-17 tires on them also. Never had a problem before. And the wheels sit completely flush with my rear fender.

Something to note though, between the rim and the subframe on my car, there is only about 3/4-1 inch. So you may be running too much toe in on the rear.

Different manufacturer of wheels may have different measuring systems I am guessing. I used to have some supra TT wheels that were 17 x 9.5 in the rear. The offset was 50 but they fit pretty well on my s14. They werent sunken in at all. The only problem was the hub size on the wheel was too small.

godzillarb · 11-30-2007, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0apgun

should be required to type that when you make a zilvia account for confirmation

:ghey:

Better yet, there should be a general knowledge test before a noob's account gets activated.

**ThatGuy** · 11-30-2007, 06:08 PM

18x10 +35mm with 245/40 tire on the back of my S13 rubs NOTHING.

Too much toe in will get you though.

Jbma327 · 11-30-2007, 06:09 PM

That's soo fuked up but you should have done better reseach before you bought wheels.

sorry to hear about your wheels

brokeAs240sx · 11-30-2007, 06:10 PM

I don't know who lied to you, or where you read that info... most I read was rear you run *x9* +35.

My friend ran x10 +25 w/ 275 tires on her s14 just fine. Now running x10 +12 w/ 275 tires.

I wouldn't blame anyone but myself if I made the mistake of listening to some random post about what rim fits & didn't check carefully once the car was lowered to see if anything was rubbing - could also have easily just put the wheel on, jack up the suspension arm & check. (there ARE several threads devoted to rim offsets - mostly flushness stuff, but still, showing what you can run, should run, could run)...

*Also, are you sure there is nothing wrong w/ ur car and/or alignment? Maybe your car was in an accident...

From what I remember the x10+25 w/ 275 still left enuf room for comfort on an s14.

I have x10.5 +18 w/ 265's on my s13 right now (6 mm diff from your setup) w/ plenty of room in back if need be...

godzillarb · 11-30-2007, 06:12 PM

Post up some pictures of your wheel damage and the subframe, it'll be a lot easier to tell where you went wrong and what happened.

Bad40r7 · 11-30-2007, 06:27 PM

The title of the thread was more of a joke than being serious. I just read that the wheels should fit and now they dont. I wasnt blaming someone, i was only asking. it is dark and cold outside so i cant go take them off now, but i will have them off tommorow and take pictures. Im guessing that my toe is just different, because my wheels dont sit perfectly flush with the fenders, VERY close though.

Sil-I dunno what you are talking about or to. No reason to be an ass, i simply asked a question about my car and my offsets. Noone asking what an offset means.

gotta240 · 11-30-2007, 06:33 PM

Don't worry about the flamers.

I'd do a quick check on toe though. You can do a BASIC toe assessment by measuring the front and rear of the tires in the same spot... For example, measure the distance between the front of the rear tires. Then measure the distance between the rear of the rear tires. Both measurements should be the same.

I really can't see why your rims would rub though. I'm pretty sure a couple peeps on here run that size on an s14.

orion::S14 · 11-30-2007, 07:04 PM

We need pics.

10", +40 will fit in the rear...seen it myself.

What's hitting, and where.

We need pics.

- Brian

Bad40r7 · 11-30-2007, 07:41 PM

Pics will come tommorow, its dark and you cant see anything. The Rim is hitting the subframe towards the front of the car. Pics will be up tommorow when i go outside to take them off.

**ThatGuy** · 11-30-2007, 07:50 PM

If it's only hitting at the front, you have a toe issue.

nvrplzd240 · 11-30-2007, 08:08 PM

Wow that sucks.

I always at least double check before I purchase things I'm not familiar with to make sure they will work..

You may want to begin this habit..

GoodOl'S13 · 11-30-2007, 08:17 PM

That sucks like ThatGuy said check your toe. make sure that the wheels are what you ordered
This is why tirerack is setup the way they are!

gotta240 · 11-30-2007, 08:18 PM

All you fucking idiots who are flaming should do your own research before flaming.

People have ran the same size without an issue before. If anything i would call that a "safe" size. I'm betting on another issue...such as horrible toe.

Flybert · 11-30-2007, 09:44 PM

I run 17x10 +35 out back with 245/40/17 on an s13. Under compression when you have too much camber, the tire will hit the spring as well as the body. Since I have a stretched tire, the inner lip has touched the body before but hasn't done damage. Lower the amount of camber you have out back or run a wheel spacer. Done and done.

bo2o · 11-30-2007, 09:55 PM

pix of where its rubbing will help haha... but pretty shure ur alighment is at fault unless u have a 11 inch rim haha

and is it both sides?

Doluck · 11-30-2007, 10:31 PM

I have seen this proble with other 17x10" wheels. Its mostly in the build of the wheel, how the lip is formed.
On 17x10's I go no more than +27 an dthey always clear. You should be cool with a 8mm spacer.
If you had went 18's the fit till around +35 them some start rubing. I had a kick as tool I mad up awhile back that I could bolt up and check back space and with clearance with the wheel off on a jack stand.... It worked pretty good.... but it grew legs and just walked off one day..

Jung918 · 11-30-2007, 11:45 PM

I have 275/35 on 18x10.5 +12 on the rear of my s14. No rubbing the subframe but I do have a pull.

SiI40sx · 11-30-2007, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jung918

I have 275/35 on 18x10.5 +12 on the rear of my s14. No rubbing the subframe but I do have a pull.

Thats because the back of your wheel is 145.35mm while his is 162mm.

Bad40r7 · 12-01-2007, 03:27 PM

Well i switched the wheels back, and forgot to take pics lol. It was so cold i just did it as fast as possible. I did notice though. The Driver side wheel is MUCH worse than the passenger wheel. The passenger just has a little scraped off. The driver has more.

*NemeGuero* · 12-01-2007, 03:36 PM

lol that sucks

motorsnail · 12-01-2007, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NemeGuero

lol that sucks

Yeah it sucks, but it is funny..... I cant stop laughing everytime I read it. I meen I can see how it happend lowering his car back down, hears a little scrape on the way down. "what was that? Oh well lets see if this bitch drives!" Mistake number 1. Mistake number 2 was him prolly keep trying to move the car while it eats away his rim and he thinks hes brakes are fucked up then notices the metal on the ground........LMAO priceless

*NemeGuero* · 12-01-2007, 04:01 PM

JUST NEEDS MORE GAASSSS!!

hahaha

gripology · 12-01-2007, 04:03 PM

17x9 +35 front 17x10 +35 rear...no rubbing

*NemeGuero* · 12-01-2007, 04:09 PM

Yeah, but you're not slammed. hella gap in them fender wells.

not that that has anything to do with anything..

Jung918 · 12-01-2007, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiI40sx

Thats because the back of your wheel is 145.35mm while his is 162mm.

Thank you offset einstein. I was giving him an example of what would work.

Get spacers.

11-30-2007, 05:55 PM	#1
Bad40r7 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maryland Age: 33 Posts: 348 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Who Lied to me! Wheel offset question I have been reading up on wheel questions for a while. I ordered a set of wheels in 17x10 +35 offset, with a 275 tire. Put the wheels on, checked everything out and saw nothing rubbing. Put the car in gear and went to go for a drive when the car will go nowhere...Weird huh? Well much to my surprise, the RIM, not even the tire(275 is pushing it) is rubbing on my rear subframe. Tore the HELL out of the rim. Has anyone else experienced this? I was under the impression that it would fit from other wheel threads. Anyone else running a 10 inch wheel in the back with a 275? what is your offset? BTW-This is for an s14

11-30-2007, 06:08 PM	#7
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 41 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	18x10 +35mm with 245/40 tire on the back of my S13 rubs NOTHING. Too much toe in will get you though. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

11-30-2007, 06:09 PM	#8
Jbma327 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SIX-2-SIX Posts: 1,153 Trader Rating: (51) Rides Gallery: Jbma327 Feedback Score: 51 reviews	That's soo fuked up but you should have done better reseach before you bought wheels. sorry to hear about your wheels __________________ KEEPIN IT REAL!

11-30-2007, 06:10 PM	#9
brokeAs240sx Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,917 Trader Rating: (40) Feedback Score: 40 reviews	I don't know who lied to you, or where you read that info... most I read was rear you run x9 +35. My friend ran x10 +25 w/ 275 tires on her s14 just fine. Now running x10 +12 w/ 275 tires. I wouldn't blame anyone but myself if I made the mistake of listening to some random post about what rim fits & didn't check carefully once the car was lowered to see if anything was rubbing - could also have easily just put the wheel on, jack up the suspension arm & check. (there ARE several threads devoted to rim offsets - mostly flushness stuff, but still, showing what you can run, should run, could run)... *Also, are you sure there is nothing wrong w/ ur car and/or alignment? Maybe your car was in an accident... From what I remember the x10+25 w/ 275 still left enuf room for comfort on an s14. I have x10.5 +18 w/ 265's on my s13 right now (6 mm diff from your setup) w/ plenty of room in back if need be... __________________ bew bews!

11-30-2007, 06:12 PM	#10
godzillarb Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Destin, FL Age: 35 Posts: 487 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Post up some pictures of your wheel damage and the subframe, it'll be a lot easier to tell where you went wrong and what happened. __________________ INTENSE POWER RIPPED ME OFF

11-30-2007, 05:57 PM	#2
timlush Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Louisville, KY Age: 36 Posts: 1,169 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	I know that +25 comes really close to rubbing so no way a +35 will work. Not sure where you got your info but you must have misunderstood.

11-30-2007, 06:01 PM	#3
SiI40sx BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bass bumpin, mind trippin Age: 35 Posts: 3,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SiI40sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Higher the offset the deeper the wheel goes in, lower the offset the more the wheel sticks out. Damn maybe someone should sticky that?

11-30-2007, 06:03 PM	#4
lflkajfj12123 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 　　　　　　　　 Posts: 8,480 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	should be required to type that when you make a zilvia account for confirmation :ghey:

11-30-2007, 06:05 PM	#5
garagelu Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 36 Posts: 1,856 Trader Rating: (60) Feedback Score: 60 reviews	I have the 5zigen FN01RC in 17 x 10 and offset 35. I have 245-45-17 tires on them also. Never had a problem before. And the wheels sit completely flush with my rear fender. Something to note though, between the rim and the subframe on my car, there is only about 3/4-1 inch. So you may be running too much toe in on the rear. Different manufacturer of wheels may have different measuring systems I am guessing. I used to have some supra TT wheels that were 17 x 9.5 in the rear. The offset was 50 but they fit pretty well on my s14. They werent sunken in at all. The only problem was the hub size on the wheel was too small.

11-30-2007, 06:27 PM	#11
Bad40r7 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maryland Age: 33 Posts: 348 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The title of the thread was more of a joke than being serious. I just read that the wheels should fit and now they dont. I wasnt blaming someone, i was only asking. it is dark and cold outside so i cant go take them off now, but i will have them off tommorow and take pictures. Im guessing that my toe is just different, because my wheels dont sit perfectly flush with the fenders, VERY close though. Sil-I dunno what you are talking about or to. No reason to be an ass, i simply asked a question about my car and my offsets. Noone asking what an offset means.

11-30-2007, 06:33 PM	#12
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	Don't worry about the flamers. I'd do a quick check on toe though. You can do a BASIC toe assessment by measuring the front and rear of the tires in the same spot... For example, measure the distance between the front of the rear tires. Then measure the distance between the rear of the rear tires. Both measurements should be the same. I really can't see why your rims would rub though. I'm pretty sure a couple peeps on here run that size on an s14.

11-30-2007, 07:04 PM	#13
orion::S14 Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Orange Park, FL Posts: 1,665 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	We need pics. 10", +40 will fit in the rear...seen it myself. What's hitting, and where. We need pics. - Brian __________________ www.KA24DEvelopment.com

11-30-2007, 07:41 PM	#14
Bad40r7 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maryland Age: 33 Posts: 348 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Pics will come tommorow, its dark and you cant see anything. The Rim is hitting the subframe towards the front of the car. Pics will be up tommorow when i go outside to take them off.

11-30-2007, 07:50 PM	#15
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 41 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If it's only hitting at the front, you have a toe issue. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

11-30-2007, 08:08 PM	#16
nvrplzd240 Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Muncie IN Posts: 134 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Wow that sucks. I always at least double check before I purchase things I'm not familiar with to make sure they will work.. You may want to begin this habit.. __________________

11-30-2007, 08:17 PM	#17
GoodOl'S13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: So Cal Posts: 937 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	That sucks like ThatGuy said check your toe. make sure that the wheels are what you ordered This is why tirerack is setup the way they are! __________________ I HONDA HATERS Secret Society

11-30-2007, 08:18 PM	#18
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	All you fucking idiots who are flaming should do your own research before flaming. People have ran the same size without an issue before. If anything i would call that a "safe" size. I'm betting on another issue...such as horrible toe.

11-30-2007, 09:44 PM	#19
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I run 17x10 +35 out back with 245/40/17 on an s13. Under compression when you have too much camber, the tire will hit the spring as well as the body. Since I have a stretched tire, the inner lip has touched the body before but hasn't done damage. Lower the amount of camber you have out back or run a wheel spacer. Done and done.

11-30-2007, 09:55 PM	#20
bo2o Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2006 Location: 626 socal! Posts: 1,315 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	pix of where its rubbing will help haha... but pretty shure ur alighment is at fault unless u have a 11 inch rim haha and is it both sides? __________________ fS! *vlsd ! slim fans ! hid kits ! lug nuts !* http://www.zilvia.net/f/search.php?d...earchuser=bo2o ^^^click^^^

11-30-2007, 10:31 PM	#21
Doluck Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jacksonville, Fl. Age: 40 Posts: 182 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have seen this proble with other 17x10" wheels. Its mostly in the build of the wheel, how the lip is formed. On 17x10's I go no more than +27 an dthey always clear. You should be cool with a 8mm spacer. If you had went 18's the fit till around +35 them some start rubing. I had a kick as tool I mad up awhile back that I could bolt up and check back space and with clearance with the wheel off on a jack stand.... It worked pretty good.... but it grew legs and just walked off one day..

11-30-2007, 11:45 PM	#22
Jung918 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CA Posts: 3,203 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I have 275/35 on 18x10.5 +12 on the rear of my s14. No rubbing the subframe but I do have a pull. __________________ Sale: Hello Kitty Horn Button S14 Rear Valences K.Y. Gordon the Thief (Tony Chen)

12-01-2007, 03:27 PM	#24
Bad40r7 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maryland Age: 33 Posts: 348 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well i switched the wheels back, and forgot to take pics lol. It was so cold i just did it as fast as possible. I did notice though. The Driver side wheel is MUCH worse than the passenger wheel. The passenger just has a little scraped off. The driver has more.

12-01-2007, 03:36 PM	#25
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	lol that sucks __________________

12-01-2007, 04:01 PM	#27
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	JUST NEEDS MORE GAASSSS!! hahaha __________________

12-01-2007, 04:03 PM	#28
gripology Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Age: 52 Posts: 46 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	17x9 +35 front 17x10 +35 rear...no rubbing __________________ Too retarded to figure out how to upload sig...

12-01-2007, 04:09 PM	#29
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Yeah, but you're not slammed. hella gap in them fender wells. not that that has anything to do with anything.. __________________

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