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waste_of_space · 08-27-2012, 06:50 AM

I notched my core support to slide my radiator maybe an inch and a half forward, and I don't have a condenser, but I'm sure I could make one fit if I wanted/needed to.

And I agree with bullfrog about th tstat. Because it opens at a lower temp initially, it helps with most overheating issues. Like I stated, with stock thermo I was running around 210, and with the mishimoto, I'm only running around 160. When I track my car, I don't want 210 to be a starting point, imagine how much more heat it will create. So since I can start at 160, that gives me +50 degrees to play around with and not have to worry about overheating. Now if you have a blown headgasket or some other cooling issue, then yes, the low temp thermo will just be a bandaid.

Also, care to clarify your scammer status/3 previously banned usernames? (天国)

Black R · 08-27-2012, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste_of_space

Swap in a low temp thermo if you haven't already! It helps out tremendously.

Flick's definitely right about 2j s13's running real hot. Mine was running around 210 on stock thermo. Mishimoto dropped it to around 160.

Wait, so the mishimoto thermostat dropped your temps with no other changes?!

Flicktitty · 08-27-2012, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullfrogg0

that article is retarded. if you run a lower thermostat then the water stays at a lower temp so when you experience a load or turning on the ac the system is at a lower starting temp to begin with meaning the cooling system doesn't have to work so hard to maintain a certain temp. cooler temps are easier to maintain because it keeps heat overall to a minimum

Take it from first hand experiance. i had a OEM Toyota Thermostat and 2 12" Puller fans, car would run hot. Went single turbo car ran slighly cooler. Upgraded to better fans. car ran a little cooler (sill 200+) Upgraded to a Koyo radiator (from a CXracing) car was still in the 200ish range but seemed to take longer to get there and cooled off quicker. Then upgraded to Twin flex a lite 12" fans and a TRD Thermostat this winter and the car stays around 175-185doing multiple dyno pulls in a 110 degree shop.

dpkid101 · 08-27-2012, 03:02 PM

Does anybody know where I can find the 1jz bellhousing flywheel inspection covers other than directly from toyota? I read a thread from a while back that people were getting some cheap carbon fiber alternatives off of ebay but I cant seem to find anything anymore.

waste_of_space · 08-27-2012, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black R

Wait, so the mishimoto thermostat dropped your temps with no other changes?!

Yup! OEM is around 82 C I believe, and the mishimoto one is rated to open at 62 C. Now that's only about a 36 degree F difference but when cruising the difference is nearly 50F haha.

I have a koyo n flow radiator with dual FAL fans

tengoku · 08-27-2012, 04:03 PM

Flicktitty, do you have an A/C system setup on yours?

waste_of_space · 08-27-2012, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpkid101

Does anybody know where I can find the 1jz bellhousing flywheel inspection covers other than directly from toyota? I read a thread from a while back that people were getting some cheap carbon fiber alternatives off of ebay but I cant seem to find anything anymore.

Are you talking about the rubber insert? Driftmotion sells them.

Welcome to Driftmotion!

florante rea · 08-27-2012, 04:55 PM

Anyone looking for 2jzge or gte heads hit me up guys. I don't need those right now. 6109375052.

dpkid101 · 08-27-2012, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste_of_space

Are you talking about the rubber insert? Driftmotion sells them.

Welcome to Driftmotion!

Oh I actually do need that to but I am talking about those inspection holes on the left and right side of the bellhousing where it looks like two plates bolt to.

Flicktitty · 08-27-2012, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tengoku

Flicktitty, do you have an A/C system setup on yours?

No sir. No A/c in this.

tengoku · 08-28-2012, 07:31 AM

That's why, I have A/C and the condenser is still at the stock location reducing the airflow.

2muchboost · 08-28-2012, 07:53 AM

Have you thought about using a Civic condensor? Its smaller than the OEM unit but still functions very well. I have seen these used on High HP Evo's and have seen a few 240sx running them with success as well. This should free up some space and allow for adequate cooling. However, there was someone on here using an OEM setup down in Florida and had 0 issues using the Koyo, E-Fan, and Mishimoto setup. Let me see if I can dig up the info.

waste_of_space · 08-28-2012, 07:57 AM

I live in Florida. But have no AC lol (that's what my xB is for

)

And tengoku, you said you have an s14 right? As far as I know, you have a little bit more clearance in your engine bay. I have two friends in this area that have 1j's in their 14's, and I don't think they had to notch their core supports at all. (also, I only notched my core support for fan clearance so I could run my dual FALs as puller fans like they were originally designed)

Also, you sure your condenser fan is kicking on?

And how's your front bumper/ airflow to the condenser? Maybe you can build some sort of fresh air intake tube that lets cool outside air blow onto the condenser to see if that solves your problem. I know billion makes kits that are basically a huge velocity stack with (basically) drier tubing that you can use to route air lol

Sounds kind of silly but it helps. I had a small oil cooler mounted on the backside of my front mount on my old 180, and I used a billion air duct setup and it worked perfectly.

Minz · 08-28-2012, 08:26 PM

How do I get the measurements?
Unfortunately my S13 didn't come with a sway bar so I can't directly compare..

tengoku · 08-29-2012, 08:47 PM

Still no luck!! We did almost everything; flushing the coolant, cleaning the fins, eliminating the thermostat, aligning IC, condenser, and radiator like | | instead of | \, taking off the hood, connecting the fans directly to power, and yet no result.

As I have mentioned before, it only overheats when A/C is on (cruising). So here are my questions:

1. Do condensers put out enough heat to where it hinders the radiator from cooling?
2. Should I consider using a civic condenser instead of the stock S14? How much smaller is it? Because the S14 condenser covers the whole Koyo radiator.
3. Should I purchase an oil cooler?

bullfrogg0 · 08-29-2012, 09:06 PM

oil cooler yes. also make some ducting to go between the radiator, fmic and bottom of the front bumper to basically force air thru everything. a cooling plate on top will help when you make a lower air dam

tengoku · 08-29-2012, 09:33 PM

I already did the ducting.

bullfrogg0 · 08-30-2012, 04:49 AM

I'm out of ideas then. lol

thefro526 · 08-30-2012, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minz

How do I get the measurements?
Unfortunately my S13 didn't come with a sway bar so I can't directly compare..

Measure from the bolt hole to the inside of furthest point out on the bar (the part that would be in front of the oil pan). Also from the bolt hole to the sway bar mounts.

2muchboost · 08-30-2012, 07:49 AM

I believe I looked at an aftermarket civicl condenser and it was approx. 1/2 the size of the stock S14 unit.

OM1kron also used a Porsche condenser unit.

tengoku · 08-31-2012, 01:07 AM

I came to a conclusion that my dual flex a lite fans are not pulling enough air for the setup. The temp started to rise with no A/C when I quickly let off the throttle and put the gear in neutral after a heavy acceleration (up to 6k full boost).

jackal264 · 08-31-2012, 03:11 AM

does anyone know where to get oem harness plugs? i want to build a new harness from scratch but don't know where to buy the plugs.

bullfrogg0 · 08-31-2012, 04:57 AM

you'll have to get part #'s and then buy them from Toyota

jackal264 · 08-31-2012, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullfrogg0

you'll have to get part #'s and then buy them from Toyota

but you can actually get them from toyota? that's good to know

bullfrogg0 · 08-31-2012, 06:17 AM

pretty sure you can, just have to find the part #'s. after all, the jz engine was ran in different cars until 2000 something

thefro526 · 08-31-2012, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackal264

does anyone know where to get oem harness plugs? i want to build a new harness from scratch but don't know where to buy the plugs.

Tweak'd performance sells most of them. Connectors and Terminals : Tweakd Performance Online Store

Though, you might be better of buying a cut harness on the cheap and taking any salvageable plugs off of that.

ATLspeed · 08-31-2012, 11:54 AM

Now maybe its just me But Are the motor mounts supposed to look like this? eBay mounts to add.
*Would have bought excessive mounts if I known they made them months ago.

I tried switching them.and moving but I can't imagine how this would line up straight in the bay.

thefro526 · 08-31-2012, 12:37 PM

IIRC, you have to shuffle some stuff around on the block to get access to the right holes for one of the mounts. If you look, you should see a second set of holes with the correct spacing. Or at least that's how my Zerolift mounts were, and I believe the Ebays are a copy of the ZL mount.

razmus · 08-31-2012, 03:22 PM

STUPID late to this thread....

I started my swap in my S13 while I had my S14 up for sale. Long story short, sold the S13 first, kept the S14. Started the 2J swap summertime 2011, and its currently just...sitting there

making the mounts:

I want to do a single turbo and have 80% of the parts ready. I still need the driveshaft, PTE turbo, and AEM w/sensors. The most expensive parts lol. Hopefully Ill be able to get the remaining parts soon to have the S14 done!

Heres the S14 w/SR:

Here's how it sitting:

ATLspeed · 08-31-2012, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thefro526

IIRC, you have to shuffle some stuff around on the block to get access to the right holes for one of the mounts. If you look, you should see a second set of holes with the correct spacing. Or at least that's how my Zerolift mounts were, and I believe the Ebays are a copy of the ZL mount.

I tries, but I'll try again. Maybe I just...Idunno.

Anyone know where to get an e10 connector w/pigtail!! I need this to get my motor started. I don't have any lexus' or Toyota's at our junkyard like that.

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ATLspeed Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Eden, MD, USA Age: 34 Posts: 921 Trader Rating: (14) Rides Gallery: ATLspeed Feedback Score: 14 reviews	Now maybe its just me But Are the motor mounts supposed to look like this? eBay mounts to add. *Would have bought excessive mounts if I known they made them months ago. I tried switching them.and moving but I can't imagine how this would line up straight in the bay. __________________ 93 s13 Vert - 2jz/cd009 -- parted/sold 95 Supra Turbo

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08-27-2012, 06:50 AM	#631
waste_of_space Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL Posts: 657 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	I notched my core support to slide my radiator maybe an inch and a half forward, and I don't have a condenser, but I'm sure I could make one fit if I wanted/needed to. And I agree with bullfrog about th tstat. Because it opens at a lower temp initially, it helps with most overheating issues. Like I stated, with stock thermo I was running around 210, and with the mishimoto, I'm only running around 160. When I track my car, I don't want 210 to be a starting point, imagine how much more heat it will create. So since I can start at 160, that gives me +50 degrees to play around with and not have to worry about overheating. Now if you have a blown headgasket or some other cooling issue, then yes, the low temp thermo will just be a bandaid. Also, care to clarify your scammer status/3 previously banned usernames? (天国)

08-27-2012, 03:02 PM	#634
dpkid101 Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Clemmons, NC Age: 29 Posts: 210 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Does anybody know where I can find the 1jz bellhousing flywheel inspection covers other than directly from toyota? I read a thread from a while back that people were getting some cheap carbon fiber alternatives off of ebay but I cant seem to find anything anymore.

08-27-2012, 04:03 PM	#636
tengoku Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: SA Posts: 18 Trader Rating: (-2) Feedback Score: -2 reviews	Flicktitty, do you have an A/C system setup on yours?

08-28-2012, 07:31 AM	#641
tengoku Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: SA Posts: 18 Trader Rating: (-2) Feedback Score: -2 reviews	That's why, I have A/C and the condenser is still at the stock location reducing the airflow.

08-28-2012, 07:53 AM	#642
2muchboost Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, TX Age: 37 Posts: 2,183 Trader Rating: (33) Feedback Score: 33 reviews	Have you thought about using a Civic condensor? Its smaller than the OEM unit but still functions very well. I have seen these used on High HP Evo's and have seen a few 240sx running them with success as well. This should free up some space and allow for adequate cooling. However, there was someone on here using an OEM setup down in Florida and had 0 issues using the Koyo, E-Fan, and Mishimoto setup. Let me see if I can dig up the info.

08-28-2012, 07:57 AM	#643
waste_of_space Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL Posts: 657 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	I live in Florida. But have no AC lol (that's what my xB is for ) And tengoku, you said you have an s14 right? As far as I know, you have a little bit more clearance in your engine bay. I have two friends in this area that have 1j's in their 14's, and I don't think they had to notch their core supports at all. (also, I only notched my core support for fan clearance so I could run my dual FALs as puller fans like they were originally designed) Also, you sure your condenser fan is kicking on? And how's your front bumper/ airflow to the condenser? Maybe you can build some sort of fresh air intake tube that lets cool outside air blow onto the condenser to see if that solves your problem. I know billion makes kits that are basically a huge velocity stack with (basically) drier tubing that you can use to route air lol Sounds kind of silly but it helps. I had a small oil cooler mounted on the backside of my front mount on my old 180, and I used a billion air duct setup and it worked perfectly.

08-28-2012, 08:26 PM	#644
Minz Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New Zealand Age: 28 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How do I get the measurements? Unfortunately my S13 didn't come with a sway bar so I can't directly compare..

08-29-2012, 08:47 PM	#645
tengoku Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: SA Posts: 18 Trader Rating: (-2) Feedback Score: -2 reviews	Still no luck!! We did almost everything; flushing the coolant, cleaning the fins, eliminating the thermostat, aligning IC, condenser, and radiator like \| \| instead of \| \, taking off the hood, connecting the fans directly to power, and yet no result. As I have mentioned before, it only overheats when A/C is on (cruising). So here are my questions: 1. Do condensers put out enough heat to where it hinders the radiator from cooling? 2. Should I consider using a civic condenser instead of the stock S14? How much smaller is it? Because the S14 condenser covers the whole Koyo radiator. 3. Should I purchase an oil cooler?

08-29-2012, 09:06 PM	#646
bullfrogg0 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Baytown, Tx Age: 35 Posts: 201 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	oil cooler yes. also make some ducting to go between the radiator, fmic and bottom of the front bumper to basically force air thru everything. a cooling plate on top will help when you make a lower air dam

08-29-2012, 09:33 PM	#647
tengoku Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: SA Posts: 18 Trader Rating: (-2) Feedback Score: -2 reviews	I already did the ducting.

08-30-2012, 04:49 AM	#648
bullfrogg0 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Baytown, Tx Age: 35 Posts: 201 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I'm out of ideas then. lol

08-30-2012, 07:49 AM	#650
2muchboost Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, TX Age: 37 Posts: 2,183 Trader Rating: (33) Feedback Score: 33 reviews	I believe I looked at an aftermarket civicl condenser and it was approx. 1/2 the size of the stock S14 unit. OM1kron also used a Porsche condenser unit.

08-31-2012, 01:07 AM	#651
tengoku Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: SA Posts: 18 Trader Rating: (-2) Feedback Score: -2 reviews	I came to a conclusion that my dual flex a lite fans are not pulling enough air for the setup. The temp started to rise with no A/C when I quickly let off the throttle and put the gear in neutral after a heavy acceleration (up to 6k full boost).

08-31-2012, 03:11 AM	#652
jackal264 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: vancouver, canada Age: 35 Posts: 360 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	does anyone know where to get oem harness plugs? i want to build a new harness from scratch but don't know where to buy the plugs.

08-31-2012, 04:57 AM	#653
bullfrogg0 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Baytown, Tx Age: 35 Posts: 201 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	you'll have to get part #'s and then buy them from Toyota

08-31-2012, 06:17 AM	#655
bullfrogg0 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Baytown, Tx Age: 35 Posts: 201 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	pretty sure you can, just have to find the part #'s. after all, the jz engine was ran in different cars until 2000 something

08-31-2012, 03:22 PM	#659
razmus Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: VA/Madrid Age: 32 Posts: 390 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	STUPID late to this thread.... I started my swap in my S13 while I had my S14 up for sale. Long story short, sold the S13 first, kept the S14. Started the 2J swap summertime 2011, and its currently just...sitting there making the mounts: I want to do a single turbo and have 80% of the parts ready. I still need the driveshaft, PTE turbo, and AEM w/sensors. The most expensive parts lol. Hopefully Ill be able to get the remaining parts soon to have the S14 done! Heres the S14 w/SR: Here's how it sitting: