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K_style · 03-13-2011, 10:49 PM

One of my friend just told me about this videos about testing Ford EcoBoost engine
very interesting and amazing...

YouTube - 2011 Ford F-150 - V6 Ecoboost Torture Test - Capital Ford
YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 2: Hauling Timber
YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 3: 24 Hours of NASCAR Track Testing
YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 4: Head to Head
YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 5: Baja
YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 6: Teardown

*365 hp (272 kW) @5500 rpm, 350 lb·ft (475 N·m) @5000 rpm
- 2010– Ford Taurus SHO
*355 hp (265 kW) @5700 rpm, 350 lb·ft (475 N·m) @5000 rpm
- 2010– Ford Flex
- 2010– Lincoln MKS
- 2010– Lincoln MKT
*365 hp (272 kW) @5500 rpm, 90% 420 lb·ft (569 N·m) @1700-5000 rpm, peak torque at 2500 rpm
- 2011– Ford F-150

Discuss....

K_style · 03-13-2011, 11:33 PM

Wonder if there is Manual transmission for it ? V6 Mustang transmission???

Freddy · 03-13-2011, 11:52 PM

I just watch these videos the other day, it pretty impressive. specially that part with up hill acceleration and baja

s14>integra · 03-14-2011, 02:03 AM

Man, that's pretty impressive. But as i was watching the Baja video i noticed that the piping for the turbo didn't exactly look stock. So it would be cool to know what things they changed for it to race in Baja.

HyperTek · 03-14-2011, 02:52 AM

Cool, something their engines should have been doing 20 freaking years ago!!!

on that note, i do like ford trucks over chevy and dodge.

TheWolf · 03-14-2011, 06:13 AM

Being in the diesel pickup truck business, I've seen some good stuff from ford and I've seen alot of bone headed maneuvers over the last 5 years.. This is ford diesel pickups from the last 5 years...

things like..
Run truck out/low on gas, injectors hammer themselves to pieces.. it's ok.. new set only $2200. Surprise

Need to light off soot trap, we'll inject extra fuel into cylinders on exhaust stroke.. sure it won't cause washdown and premature wear.. result blown motor..

Next year.. since last years fuel into cylinder idea wasn't the best (but we won't admit or warranty it) we put an injector into the down pipe... soon duct tape will be standard...

result from both, exhaust pipe hot enough to light your pants on fire if you walk by.. melted body work..

EGR is cooled with onboard coolant.. EGR clogs.. engine overheats YAY!

Neither of the above ideas lasted longer than 2 years so this is the new and improved idea for 2011-2012.
Onboard 10 gallon chemical tank that injects a proprietary urea water into exhaust and a very high pressure. Good thing to. It's only $12 a gallon and should only need to be refilled every oil change!

and well.. on all these screw ups... we made one small boo boo.. um.. well... on these motors we kinda didn't put alot of headbolts on them but we did put alot of boost... and so when these things blow headgaskets there's a slight problem.. the last 4 bolts on each cylinder head are kinda trapped.. so we weren't kidding when on step one of headgasket replacement it said "Remove and Lift Cab 4 inches".

So would I run out and buy a new twin turbo'd direct injected variable cam computer controlled gas pickup? Not on their track record for the past 5-10 years with twin turbo'd direct injected diesel pickups.

Prob not.

*exitspeed* · 03-14-2011, 08:02 AM

Bums me out they haven't put the Ecoboost in the Fusion yet as a real Sport model.

omgRWDgoodness! · 03-14-2011, 09:31 AM

Fixed
Or
Repaired
Daily

As Mr. Gump would say, that's all I have to say about that.

*exitspeed* · 03-14-2011, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omgRWDgoodness!

Fixed
Or
Repaired
Daily

As Mr. Gump would say, that's all I have to say about that.

Another uninformed person. I suppose you still think Honda and Toyota are leading the industry with technology and engineering right? lol

I feel sorry for you mother.

K_style · 03-14-2011, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omgRWDgoodness!

Fixed
Or
Repaired
Daily

As Mr. Gump would say, that's all I have to say about that.

Really...??? Do I even have to say anything???

I've heard many different combination of "FORD" and I never liked FORD before..
But recently I changed my mind... why don't you test drive one of those new ecoboost engine models...

you will like it...

Unless you own something like GT-R or SLR or LFA that makes you think those Ford is still garbage...

bb4_96 · 03-14-2011, 10:17 AM

How do you find out about longevity from a test drive? I could care less how the test drive goes, i want to see it 40k down the road.

K_style · 03-14-2011, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bb4_96

How do you find out about longevity from a test drive? I could care less how the test drive goes, i want to see it 40k down the road.

I don't think I said you could find out about longevity by test driving...

that guy was just being negative and I assumed he has not even seen or drove the this engine..

*exitspeed* · 03-14-2011, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bb4_96

How do you find out about longevity from a test drive? I could care less how the test drive goes, i want to see it 40k down the road.

Have you been reading dependability, quality, customer satisfaction studies?

if not, I suggest you go get your read on.

jacobs13 · 03-14-2011, 12:24 PM

I dont get the shit talking, that just amazed me. Really changed my mind about ford. I want one now...

omgRWDgoodness! · 03-14-2011, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I feel sorry for you mother.

I feel sorry for her, too. She used to own a Taurus.

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Another uninformed person. I suppose you still think Honda and Toyota are leading the industry with technology and engineering right? lol

Now now, before everyone gets too upset, I don't speak completely out of ignorance. My folks are what you'd consider "average consumers" and they choose imports for a reason. They've owned and driven several domestically-made vehicles over the years and they were less than satisfied. My personal dislike of domestic automakers stems from other, rather irrelevant reasons. With that said, I am not saying these new "EcoBoost" engines Ford has introduced are unimpressive, but I find it interesting that this is so groundbreaking only because it's coming from Ford. Have no other automakers ever offered cars with factory-turbocharged engines before? Also, (if you ask me) EcoBoost sounds strangely familiar to something called Ecopower SAAB introduced almost 2 decades ago. Like it was said previous, yes these engines are nice now, can take a beating and I'm sure they're a pleasure to drive, but I'm quite curious as to how they will perform 100- and 150-thousand miles down the road. Domestic manufacturers simply do not have the greatest track record. Don't even get me started on Honda and Toyota.

*exitspeed* · 03-14-2011, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omgRWDgoodness!

I feel sorry for her, too. She used to own a Taurus.

Now now, before everyone gets too upset, I don't speak completely out of ignorance. My folks are what you'd consider "average consumers" and they choose imports for a reason. They've owned and driven several domestically-made vehicles over the years and they were less than satisfied. My personal dislike of domestic automakers stems from other, rather irrelevant reasons. With that said, I am not saying these new "EcoBoost" engines Ford has introduced are unimpressive, but I find it interesting that this is so groundbreaking only because it's coming from Ford. Have no other automakers ever offered cars with factory-turbocharged engines before? Also, (if you ask me) EcoBoost sounds strangely familiar to something called Ecopower SAAB introduced almost 2 decades ago. Like it was said previous, yes these engines are nice now, can take a beating and I'm sure they're a pleasure to drive, but I'm quite curious as to how they will perform 100- and 150-thousand miles down the road. Domestic manufacturers simply do not have the greatest track record. Don't even get me started on Honda and Toyota.

What you said is true up until about 2007. At least for Ford and GM.

axiomatik · 03-14-2011, 03:20 PM

My wife's '97 Expedition just won't die. It has 180k on it and still runs great. I want to replace it, but can't bring myself to get rid of a vehicle that is still in such great shape and costs so little to keep. Over the last 7 years of ownership, I've only had to replace the alternator, replace an ABS sensor, and replace the rear air springs (old age).

K_style · 03-14-2011, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axiomatik

My wife's '97 Expedition just won't die. It has 180k on it and still runs great. I want to replace it, but can't bring myself to get rid of a vehicle that is still in such great shape and costs so little to keep. Over the last 7 years of ownership, I've only had to replace the alternator, replace an ABS sensor, and replace the rear air springs (old age).

I personally own 1991 Explorer.. it has 186,xxx miles..
As most people know those things have Transmission issue. previous owner replaced transmission 70k miles ago.... but I changed oil after purchased..

Jeez... it was like 50/50 water and oil and assume incorrect type of oil...

My point is, it maybe manufacturer's bad product but owners who does not take care of their vehicles causes it to break down...

*exitspeed* · 03-14-2011, 03:32 PM

I try to avoid basing my opinion off of one person or even several people's past experiences. I also try not to base it off of just one study. I LOVE ready vehicles studies. Some people claim that some are skewed by the manufactures, or just wrong based off of where/how the data is provided. Which again is why I sit and read them all. Hell, I even go the library and read stupid stats in Wards each year. Yes, lame. But I feel it makes me a better consumer when it comes to vehicle purchases.

Statistically, domestics up until recently have not been as dependable as Japanese brands, but the last 4 or so years, most recently even more, they have made incredible strides in engineering and dependability.

I should keep links to articles just for this reason. My mind is cluttered with far more important (people with kids, and careers know what I'm talking about) things nowadays for me to remember exact numbers, but mental notes are always taken. I might have to start doing that.

dirtdiggler666 · 03-14-2011, 03:48 PM

well for all the kids that think only imports will last.

my parents have a 98 ford f150 v8 with 350k i would say my dad changes the oil about every 30-40k no fucking joke. he has replaced the plugs wires and some part that was about $100 thats it.

i thought bullshit he just got lucky well nope he also owns a 97 ford expedition same engine with just about 400k i think. and has replaced the same parts as the f150.

he bought both of them new so i know everything about them.

K_style · 03-14-2011, 03:54 PM

Let's share discussion about EcoBoost V6 new engine from Ford not their other previous engines..

atutt · 03-14-2011, 04:14 PM

If my 04 F150 5.4 wasn't such a failure I might have faith in this one... But I'm already on engine number two..... So I believe this will result in failure a few years down the road.

K_style · 03-14-2011, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atutt

If my 04 F150 5.4 wasn't such a failure I might have faith in this one... But I'm already on engine number two..... So I believe this will result in failure a few years down the road.

Guess you just missed other post up there....

sorry for your pain though.

ATLspeed · 03-14-2011, 04:33 PM

i have faith in the new EcoBoost motor. after watchin the vids that is really good. I wish they had more "in-depth" documents as like:

- Motor oil (brand/how long between changes/etc)
- spark plugs (" ")
- just normal things.

drift freaq · 03-14-2011, 04:34 PM

Every automobile company out has its times of good or bad. When I was a kid we had a Ford Country Squire Station wagon that ran forever. My friend has a 4 door 66 Fairlane sedan that he drives on a daily basis. 44 years the things been on the road.
For every person that says Ford fix or repair daily blah blah I can show both the bad GM and the good GM.
What Exitspeed says is correct. Ford and GM today have come along way in the past 3 years. The products Ford is making today are good. They are reliable, they are not pieces of shit.
Same can be said for some of GM's current products as well.

Its time for people to open their eyes, when it comes to looking at Domestic Auto's.
Yup I said that. I love Imports but I cannot in no way find fault with a lot of the new products coming from Domestic manufacturers.

dsastr_clan · 03-14-2011, 04:39 PM

my dad has a 00 sport explorer and the tranny blew up when it had 70k then the engine started to throw all sorts of codes at 100k, that car has been serviced by the ford dealership so many times and it still runs like shit, i will no take my chances with a ford again. not even my 240sx that is 20 years old

K_style · 03-14-2011, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Every automobile company out has its times of good or bad. When I was a kid we had a Ford Country Squire Station wagon that ran forever. My friend has a 4 door 66 Fairlane sedan that he drives on a daily basis. 44 years the things been on the road.
For every person that says Ford fix or repair daily blah blah I can show both the bad GM and the good GM.
What Exitspeed says is correct. Ford and GM today have come along way in the past 3 years. The products Ford is making today are good. They are reliable, they are not pieces of shit.
Same can be said for some of GM's current products as well.

Its time for people to open their eyes, when it comes to looking at Domestic Auto's.
Yup I said that. I love Imports but I cannot in no way find fault with a lot of the new products coming from Domestic manufacturers.

Thanks Dave for your opinion !!!!

Hell.. I am not even from this country and trying to support Domestic companies.
Show your love to your own Domestic automakers !!

K_style · 03-14-2011, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsastr_clan

my dad has a 00 sport explorer and the tranny blew up when it had 70k then the engine started to throw all sorts of codes at 100k, that car has been serviced by the ford dealership so many times and it still runs like shit, i will no take my chances with a ford again. not even my 240sx that is 20 years old

Could you please read other posts before you make one???
It is getting annoying...

driftn_silvia · 03-14-2011, 05:03 PM

I agree with drift freaq, Ford & GM have stepped up their game up in the last 3 year. I test drove my co workers 2010 Ford SHO earlier today and that thing picks up for being a big sedan and AWD.

atutt · 03-14-2011, 05:06 PM

All it takes is one bad apple to ruin it.

Actually, my family has owned F-150's since 1985... Never had one issue with any of them. Except my 04... Then it killed it for everyone.
I used to speak highly of Ford. Now I'll talk shit about them every chance I get.

I'm sure it's like that for a lot of people.
Just saying.... Can't expect everyone to be all giddy about the new Ford stuff

03-13-2011, 10:49 PM	#1
K_style Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 7,666 Trader Rating: (63) Rides Gallery: K_style Feedback Score: 63 reviews	The Ecoboost V6 thread from Ford One of my friend just told me about this videos about testing Ford EcoBoost engine very interesting and amazing... YouTube - 2011 Ford F-150 - V6 Ecoboost Torture Test - Capital Ford YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 2: Hauling Timber YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 3: 24 Hours of NASCAR Track Testing YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 4: Head to Head YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 5: Baja YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 6: Teardown 365 hp (272 kW) @5500 rpm, 350 lb·ft (475 N·m) @5000 rpm - 2010– Ford Taurus SHO 355 hp (265 kW) @5700 rpm, 350 lb·ft (475 N·m) @5000 rpm - 2010– Ford Flex - 2010– Lincoln MKS - 2010– Lincoln MKT 365 hp (272 kW) @5500 rpm, 90% 420 lb·ft (569 N·m) @1700-5000 rpm, peak torque at 2500 rpm - 2011– Ford F-150 Discuss.... Last edited by K_style; 03-14-2011 at 09:32 AM..*

03-14-2011, 02:52 AM	#5
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,222 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Cool, something their engines should have been doing 20 freaking years ago!!! on that note, i do like ford trucks over chevy and dodge. __________________ Keep it Classy

03-14-2011, 06:13 AM	#6
TheWolf Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange Park, FL (Jax) Posts: 1,468 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Being in the diesel pickup truck business, I've seen some good stuff from ford and I've seen alot of bone headed maneuvers over the last 5 years.. This is ford diesel pickups from the last 5 years... things like.. Run truck out/low on gas, injectors hammer themselves to pieces.. it's ok.. new set only $2200. Surprise Need to light off soot trap, we'll inject extra fuel into cylinders on exhaust stroke.. sure it won't cause washdown and premature wear.. result blown motor.. Next year.. since last years fuel into cylinder idea wasn't the best (but we won't admit or warranty it) we put an injector into the down pipe... soon duct tape will be standard... result from both, exhaust pipe hot enough to light your pants on fire if you walk by.. melted body work.. EGR is cooled with onboard coolant.. EGR clogs.. engine overheats YAY! Neither of the above ideas lasted longer than 2 years so this is the new and improved idea for 2011-2012. Onboard 10 gallon chemical tank that injects a proprietary urea water into exhaust and a very high pressure. Good thing to. It's only $12 a gallon and should only need to be refilled every oil change! and well.. on all these screw ups... we made one small boo boo.. um.. well... on these motors we kinda didn't put alot of headbolts on them but we did put alot of boost... and so when these things blow headgaskets there's a slight problem.. the last 4 bolts on each cylinder head are kinda trapped.. so we weren't kidding when on step one of headgasket replacement it said "Remove and Lift Cab 4 inches". So would I run out and buy a new twin turbo'd direct injected variable cam computer controlled gas pickup? Not on their track record for the past 5-10 years with twin turbo'd direct injected diesel pickups. Prob not. __________________ Eye on the Prize

03-14-2011, 08:02 AM	#7
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Bums me out they haven't put the Ecoboost in the Fusion yet as a real Sport model. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

03-14-2011, 09:31 AM	#8
omgRWDgoodness! Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL Age: 30 Posts: 1,497 Trader Rating: (48) Feedback Score: 48 reviews	Fixed Or Repaired Daily As Mr. Gump would say, that's all I have to say about that. __________________

03-13-2011, 11:33 PM	#2
K_style Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 7,666 Trader Rating: (63) Rides Gallery: K_style Feedback Score: 63 reviews	Wonder if there is Manual transmission for it ? V6 Mustang transmission???

03-13-2011, 11:52 PM	#3
Freddy Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Age: 32 Posts: 568 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I just watch these videos the other day, it pretty impressive. specially that part with up hill acceleration and baja

03-14-2011, 02:03 AM	#4
s14>integra Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: sunnyvale Posts: 188 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Man, that's pretty impressive. But as i was watching the Baja video i noticed that the piping for the turbo didn't exactly look stock. So it would be cool to know what things they changed for it to race in Baja.

03-14-2011, 10:17 AM	#11
bb4_96 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Under my car Posts: 785 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	How do you find out about longevity from a test drive? I could care less how the test drive goes, i want to see it 40k down the road.

03-14-2011, 12:24 PM	#14
jacobs13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Long Beach Age: 29 Posts: 1,061 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	I dont get the shit talking, that just amazed me. Really changed my mind about ford. I want one now...

03-14-2011, 03:20 PM	#17
axiomatik Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 4,697 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My wife's '97 Expedition just won't die. It has 180k on it and still runs great. I want to replace it, but can't bring myself to get rid of a vehicle that is still in such great shape and costs so little to keep. Over the last 7 years of ownership, I've only had to replace the alternator, replace an ABS sensor, and replace the rear air springs (old age). __________________

03-14-2011, 03:32 PM	#19
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I try to avoid basing my opinion off of one person or even several people's past experiences. I also try not to base it off of just one study. I LOVE ready vehicles studies. Some people claim that some are skewed by the manufactures, or just wrong based off of where/how the data is provided. Which again is why I sit and read them all. Hell, I even go the library and read stupid stats in Wards each year. Yes, lame. But I feel it makes me a better consumer when it comes to vehicle purchases. Statistically, domestics up until recently have not been as dependable as Japanese brands, but the last 4 or so years, most recently even more, they have made incredible strides in engineering and dependability. I should keep links to articles just for this reason. My mind is cluttered with far more important (people with kids, and careers know what I'm talking about) things nowadays for me to remember exact numbers, but mental notes are always taken. I might have to start doing that. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

03-14-2011, 03:48 PM	#20
dirtdiggler666 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: p-dale Age: 41 Posts: 2,113 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	well for all the kids that think only imports will last. my parents have a 98 ford f150 v8 with 350k i would say my dad changes the oil about every 30-40k no fucking joke. he has replaced the plugs wires and some part that was about $100 thats it. i thought bullshit he just got lucky well nope he also owns a 97 ford expedition same engine with just about 400k i think. and has replaced the same parts as the f150. he bought both of them new so i know everything about them. __________________

03-14-2011, 03:54 PM	#21
K_style Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 7,666 Trader Rating: (63) Rides Gallery: K_style Feedback Score: 63 reviews	Let's share discussion about EcoBoost V6 new engine from Ford not their other previous engines..

03-14-2011, 04:14 PM	#22
atutt Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: barrie, ontario, canada Age: 35 Posts: 997 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If my 04 F150 5.4 wasn't such a failure I might have faith in this one... But I'm already on engine number two..... So I believe this will result in failure a few years down the road.

03-14-2011, 04:33 PM	#24
ATLspeed Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Eden, MD, USA Age: 34 Posts: 921 Trader Rating: (14) Rides Gallery: ATLspeed Feedback Score: 14 reviews	i have faith in the new EcoBoost motor. after watchin the vids that is really good. I wish they had more "in-depth" documents as like: - Motor oil (brand/how long between changes/etc) - spark plugs (" ") - just normal things. __________________ 93 s13 Vert - 2jz/cd009 -- parted/sold 95 Supra Turbo

03-14-2011, 04:34 PM	#25
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,558 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	Every automobile company out has its times of good or bad. When I was a kid we had a Ford Country Squire Station wagon that ran forever. My friend has a 4 door 66 Fairlane sedan that he drives on a daily basis. 44 years the things been on the road. For every person that says Ford fix or repair daily blah blah I can show both the bad GM and the good GM. What Exitspeed says is correct. Ford and GM today have come along way in the past 3 years. The products Ford is making today are good. They are reliable, they are not pieces of shit. Same can be said for some of GM's current products as well. Its time for people to open their eyes, when it comes to looking at Domestic Auto's. Yup I said that. I love Imports but I cannot in no way find fault with a lot of the new products coming from Domestic manufacturers. __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html

03-14-2011, 04:39 PM	#26
dsastr_clan Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: utah Posts: 405 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	my dad has a 00 sport explorer and the tranny blew up when it had 70k then the engine started to throw all sorts of codes at 100k, that car has been serviced by the ford dealership so many times and it still runs like shit, i will no take my chances with a ford again. not even my 240sx that is 20 years old

03-14-2011, 05:03 PM	#29
driftn_silvia Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ventura Posts: 560 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I agree with drift freaq, Ford & GM have stepped up their game up in the last 3 year. I test drove my co workers 2010 Ford SHO earlier today and that thing picks up for being a big sedan and AWD.

03-14-2011, 05:06 PM	#30
atutt Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: barrie, ontario, canada Age: 35 Posts: 997 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	All it takes is one bad apple to ruin it. Actually, my family has owned F-150's since 1985... Never had one issue with any of them. Except my 04... Then it killed it for everyone. I used to speak highly of Ford. Now I'll talk shit about them every chance I get. I'm sure it's like that for a lot of people. Just saying.... Can't expect everyone to be all giddy about the new Ford stuff

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