uraznfriend

i know that your just being sarcastic but i imagine this being really awesome, itll be like blades of glory but with cars haha

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Matej

They need to lower the amount of turns. How am I supposed to tell whose car is faster if they have to turn, then switch back, and then sometimes even switch back again? If I wanted to see a motorsport with that high of an amount of turns, I would just watch Nascar.

LMFC

Seriously? FD is supposed to be the top dog as far as drifting in North America is concerned. I want to see factory teams from every manufacturer taking part in this. Make it huge, pack the stands, watch cars developed by teams of engineers rip tires to shreds. If you want grassroots go to a local event and watch some fucking grassroots. This should be a place for the absolute best drivers to pair up with the biggest checkbooks and create a spectacle. Why would you want to handcuff the development of a sport you're a fan of?

OutlawLui

She wants the D

...The formula D

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DJPimpFlex

For longevity and the overall health of the sport. It is becoming increasingly difficult for rookies to come in and make any impact on the sport. Aasbo's first year in the supra that was rather basic was probably the last time you'll see a car with that small of power and development get into the top 16.

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Ultimate set of rules

1) Car will be limited to stock transmission, if you're blowing those up you're making too much power. Also heavier cars tend to come with more robust trannys.

2) No tubing aside from front/rear bash bars, core support and cut out front fender wells.

3) No adjustable lower control arms. Boxed and extended OK

4) Car must tuck tire at least

5) No separate/hydro ebrake set up

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This!!!




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LMFC

Well now they have started a series for rookies to make their entry. The fact of the matter is, in every motorsport, the high dollar factory teams have their place and FD is that place in drifting. Plenty of venues exist for the more budget minded to compete. The highest level requires deep pockets. Accquire sponsors or perish. That is the nature of motorsport.

LMFC

Stock tranny from whatever engine is in the car? Why would you want to limit people away from tube chassis? This is competition at a very high level, these guys are going FAST shit goes wrong. I want them to be as safe as possible. No adjustable control arms but you can weld an extended arm? Why? Why wouldn't you want competitors to be able to make adjustments on site? Must tuck tire? Are you kidding? No hydro... again, why? These limitations make no sense.

Corbic

No.


Try this on.

Tube Frame Chasis.

If any of you know anything then it's that Street Stock racing is one of the cheapest organized wheel-to-wheel series you can get into. It's also the first step into working your way up to be a pro-NASCAR racer. That is where the $$$ is at.

I've often thought it would be awesome if drifting moved to this model. Street stock was built around the 1980's G-body GM Cars. The Monte Carlo, Buick Skylark and Olds Cutlass. About 10 years ago these cars became harder and harder to get for cheap and in good condition, much like drifting and the S13.

Today most guys run custom spec-built chassis. These all have to follow specific measurements and use specified stock parts - like control arms, steering gear ect.
Custom chasis also typically feature bolt on front and rear sections for easy crash repair and full bolt on bodies.

Something like this is $2,500 new -


Body Panels like this aluminum fender are only $95, I priced out a whole body around $700. (front, fenders, doors, roof, rockers, tail, trunk, spoilers).



The end result is this -



A fully legal race car that looks very much like a Monte Carlo, but is easier to work on, lighter, safer and very cheap to keep running.


There is no reason a series could not be created with a similar goal of competitiveness and cost for drifting. Built tube chassis would use stock rear subframes and differentials, stock steering racks and front cross member. The panels would be fiberglass or sheet metal fashioned to look like JDM Silvias and 180SXs. Wheel sizes and tire specs would be mandated.

Engines could be mandated to be Turbo KA, SR, RB20 or CA18, restricted to 300hp, using the stock Nissan 5spd (all 4 use the same trans) and a welded stock rear pumpkin.

Now it's man v man instead of wallet v wallet. Also you could be more gutsy as the cars would be easy to fix for cheap.

DJPimpFlex

I agree with this. I'm kind of excited to see how the pro2 bracket works out from an exposure and financial level.

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LMFC

That is a fantastic idea! I would love to see some sort of nationwide series for this. While I don't think it should replace FD by any means, something like this could take drifting to the next level. Allow regular dudes to compete and be competitive on the weekends in a very standard chassis setup.

badbob2121

Worst rules Ive read so far



Must tuck tire?... Really?

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spooled240

Why not a fiberglass shell to keep things lightweight? I also want to see FD as a much larger event with big auto manufacturers participating because the current sponsors simply are not cutting it. I want to see more hp, like 8000 hp. And a lot more fire just to make the crowd go nuts.
I'm thinking of a drift machine similar to this..see look it's a mustang!!

dftsilvia

formula d should be over the top and crazy. its the TOP level of drifting in the U.S.
if you and your pocket book cant hang wit the big dogs, then go play on your level, or find sponsors like everyone else does in every other form of any kind of racing.
stop crying about it.

PoorMans180SX

I can't even agree with anything posted in this thread.

Tube chassis? For real? Might as well watch spec miata/nascar. The main cool thing about drifting is that it's done in cars the fans can relate to.

Horsepower limits? No, again, not what drifting needs.

Then there are the other 23084290384298374 non-relevant points people brought up...

Anyway, all of you that are saying FD is boring are retarded. D1 Grand Prix is FAR less entertaining to watch, and Drift Muscle is about the same as FD, it's all in your head.

There are two things that Formula D needs:

1. Different track layouts than the sweeper right, sweeper left, hairpin. All the FD tracks favor big power cars. Think about how TINY Meihan is compared to anything here. Big entries come from fast initiations into tight corners.

2. Some type of telemetry to add a non-subjective scoring element other than entry speed.

Conclusion: Take out some of the drama, add some technicality to the track layout so as not to favor the 1000hp guys all the time, and Wham! Very exciting drifting.

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DJPimpFlex

I like this.

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i'll agree with that. all the tracks in FD are all the same, boring.

Matej

Exactly.
The 'track' is what makes drifting exciting to watch. Then it does not matter how ugly the cars are. I hate the parking lot and giant flat middle-of-nowhere tracks with no scenery or elevation changes or anything exciting.


Poland has the right idea.

LMFC

Once again, why, at the highest level of competitive drifting, would you not want to see full blown race cars? You want relatable streetish cars go to local events.

PoorMans180SX

The whole European series is quite good. They do use a lot of telemetry, and if you are used to FD judging you'll think they make some bogus calls. I think there is a happy middle ground somewhere.

Because Indycar, Nascar, and even F1 are SOOOOO exciting to watch, right?

The coolest part about drifting is you can say "Hey, that could be my (insert car make and model) someday". You can see a team that takes a street car and wrings an extremely high amount of performance from it. That's cool. That's what people want to see because that's what no other motorsport can provide them.

Why do you think time attack is getting so popular? The same reason.

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All Formula D needs is better judges and better drivers.

PoorMans180SX

Yes, because Mike Essa, Chris Forseberg, and Matt Field all suck at driving right?

I seriously don't understand people...

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Corbic

Tell that to the millions of people that follow the sports and the billions of dollars they make.

Not really. But if that's your thought process, then I can see why people are but hurt these guys aren't running SR powered S13s.

Never heard of the million various GT and Trans AM racing series? What about American Iron Xtreme?

Never heard of it. Are you talking about Solo which has exited for like a hundred thousand years?

Corbic

I wasn't talking about FD, but just low-cost amateur drifting in general. As far as Spec Miata / NASCAR - so what? They are popular because it's honest to god wheel-to-wheel racing. Not dancing around a parking lot in some clapped out piece of shit trying to make bad ass videos to post on the internet.

As far as "relate to", if you can't "relate to" NASCAR, then you just don't have any automotive background.

PS, I've never watched NASCAR race.

PoorMans180SX

Soooo because lots of Americans watch Nascar that means it's exciting? Lots of Americans watch baseball on TV as well... Professional Drag Racing seems to make a lot of money as well...

Please tell me more about how many people follow Trans AM racing (or how those are "street cars")...

Or GT racing for that matter...

My point is none of that matters to me, or to anyone I know that likes professional drifting.

Drifting should always be about taking a car, modifying it, and sliding it around corners. It should always start with a street car IMO.

I'd rather watch Nascar from the 70's than Nascar now.

If it ever ends up that guys are sliding around a bunch of tube-chassis spec cars, you can sure bet I won't be watching it.

And I was talking about events such as Redline and World Time Attack. Have you seen the development that goes into those cars now?

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Those guys are fucking awesome but when you have like 6-8 out of 64 drivers that can tandem properly the series sucks.

Cheesy Doriftos

seems like this conversation gets brought up like every year.

how about just don't watch it? i don't follw formula d at all anymore. i couldn't even name you the last 5 formula d series champions off the top of my head.

i used to be in the "OMGZ FORMULA D SUXZ!!!" camp but then again i came to terms that drifting has to evolve and formula d is the evolution of drifting. builds are gonna get bigger and badder. that's just how it goes.

all of us hardcore drifting fanboys wish competition drifting could stay 2000-2003 status forever



but let's be honest it's not.

every "motorsport" (i use that term loosely) evolves and drifting is evolving.

i think skateboarding and drifting have a lot of similarities in terms of similar mindset between skaters and drifters. most skaters hate big time corporate skate contest like x-games, dew tour, and more recently street league because they feel that's not what skateboarding really is about, and prefer to watch skate videos of real street skateboarding or smaller skate contest. it's basically the same mentality grassroots drifters have to professional competitive drifting.

the thing is there is a clear divide between fans of corporate skate contest and "underground" skate videos and contest. that's basically the mentally ya'll should have.

let formula d have their ugly 4x4 status 800+ hp V8 240's and ditzy airhead import models who don't give a crap about drifitng while ya'll continue to build slammed 2002 drift tengoku era styled drift cars and make videos of them drifitng in an empty parking dubbed to rap music or post the pictures of your cars on tumblr.

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Matej

This is the same way that I feel.
Drifting blew up when cars such as Hariguchi's could commonly be seen in random videos and pictures from Japan, so people started imitating them. However, over time they were able to define and 'improve upon' the specific aspects of the cars that they were attracted to, and so the styles and purposes started branching out. On one end they evolved into the stupid Hella Flush Stance turquoise BBS wheels scene, and on the other end we see the silly 'Nascar-style' over-the-top drift race cars. However, those are just the two most extreme ends of the spectrum, while many of us are forever stuck in limbo somewhere in between, not wishing to associate with either scene.