DJPimpFlex

I for one think it is. I don't have a good solution I just don't like it. I'm all for horsepower but 1100+ being the norm makes the sport so unattainable for any privateer.

Thoughts? What realistic rules could be implemented?

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hotlavaflow

I'm with you, it's getting crazy. Forget about preserving the grassroots nature of drifting. Might as well be NASCAR now.

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DJPimpFlex

Well top end FD cars have 400 more hp than Nascar haha. The only motorsport that I can think of that consistently has more power is drag racing.

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GSXRJJordan

Yeah man, watching Winter Nationals, those dudes have 10,000hp now!

Formula D will take two, or maybe three years to top that.

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simmode1

I think they need to make a Street Class like D1 did. Car must be street-legal, restrict engine selection to the same manufacturer of the chassis and prohibit tube chassis.

Then institute displacement/horsepower limits based on a skill classification system, like the old JGTC/Super GT series: Have a pro-am class limited to 300hp and a Pro-class limited to 500hp.

I don't have a problem with V8's... as long as they're in the car it's supposed to be in. I don't wanna go to an event and not hear a single turbo spooling or bov chirping.

I mean, look at Drift Muscle... Didn't they impose strict rules to keep all the crazy over the top engine/chassis builds out so that it would become another D1 because it became nearly impossible to break into the sport due to the cost?

vas570sx

^ im with all of that

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DJPimpFlex

I don't think the manufacturer engine thing is a good idea either. That makes it even harder for teams to make reliable horsepower with marketable platforms which is important. Lets not forget that FD is a business and there is a lot more going on than drifting.

Also a simple horsepower cap wouldn't be easy to enforce either. Would you have a dyno at every event and have random dyno pulls? I think it would need to be a more fundamental change to how the cars are built.

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Corbic

Should we change the rules to F1 so broke asses can race in that too?

Corbic

Thats how other race series run.

deolio

fd isn't going to change.

what is needed is a drift series that focuses on good style and driving instead of seeing who can outrun the follow car.

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spooled240

I don't even go to the FD events anymore. I just go to the drag strip and see a bunch of camaros and mustangs in the burnout box instead...it's cheaper and less crowded.

simmode1

Somehow, Drift Muscle makes it work.

If everyone wants LSx's, I'd rather see a whole field of Camaro's, Vettes & GTO's than swapped RX7's, Silvia's and whatever... I mean, what exactly are you marketing in a fucking 240 and other 20+ year old shit? You wanna talk cheap/reliable power? Why not just leave the fucking engine in the car it's supposed to be in and go race that? Less shit to fab up, less shit to break and easier parts selection.

Be for real now... You can strip down and prep a C6 Vette or Camaro for less time & money than it takes to build a competitive LSx 240.

Seriously, I don't enjoy Formula D for the same reason I don't enjoy Nascar: those cars have ZERO connection to what you'd see in the dealership or on the street.

When those V8 powered RWD Scion TC's hit the scene, I completely lost interest in FD bullshit.

Corbic

But then you don't have a JDM-Tyte Yo car.

EnjukuBG

I would like to hear WHY you(since you're the OP) think it's out of control?

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spooled240

well, an FD for instance is a lot lighter than a camaro. It's pretty hard to beat an LS and these race teams don't really care about JDM tyte sr20's/rotaries/etc.

There simply needs to be a HP cap and perhaps a few HP brackets different cars can compete in

EnjukuBG

There is a tire size cap. So if you have a 1000 hp car that weighs 2200 pounds you're limited to a smaller tire, so you may not have 1000 usable HP.

HP Brackets is pretty silly, but they are now doing a Pro 2 series for the "little" guys who need to know what they're trying to get into, before they get into it.

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DJPimpFlex

They are introducing price caps in 2015 haha. Also FD cars have 500hp more than F1 now a days.

I'm not sure this is accurate or you would see a lot more of them.

I just think that there is no limit. I like the chassis development and all the technology that has come in the last few years but there is a limit to that and it still leaves the skill in the sport. At some point you just get outspent by the top teams and pulling to the line you know that even before initiation you are going to be 4 cars behind.

Once again this isn't from personal experience, it's just opinion.

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Matej

F1 is the strictest as far rules go in order for them to be 'fair' on every team. All the engines are more or less the same. That is what makes it exciting to see what kind of engineering magic the teams come up with to get the most out of the engines and cars and still meet the rules. Technological progress is made when limits and boundaries are present.
Not to mention, when the machines are similar, a lot more importance is placed on actual driver skill.

Not that I really care about Formula D. I do not think FD itself cares about being a legitimate motorsport. It is just a circus for bros to go take Instagram pictures, and as soon as Red Bull and Monster find a more trendy venture to invest in, it will die.

EnjukuBG

F1 cars are really small with really sticky tires.

The limitation to the power is the tire size. If you have a team that can develop your chassis to make a 265 useable with 1000hp, that just means you have a better team. All racing series go through evolution or growth, and all teams grow/evolve with said series. If you can't keep up, sit back until you can figure out how.

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benarovi

this. I hate fd. shit is so booring to watch its like nascar. all about how fast you can go.

benarovi

not to mention how fucking ugly the cars are. sorry I like seeing cool cars sideways

spooled240

Tire cap or not, I think we've all seen these 1000+ hp cars get an enormous head start on the car with less hp. Then the losing teams go back to the drawing board and decide they need a v8 to even compete..thus creating ///DRIFTING

Corbic

I have to disagree. F1 is rather boring these days. But that's not the problem.

F1 is one of the most expensive race series to enter. F1's rules are to make it competitive and safe. The rules are not designed to make it cheap ore accessible.

The OP has yet to explain why having

1000hp cars is bad. He's only attempt at that is saying it makes it hard for privateers. My response is - so what.

It's the top-tier pro-drift racing series. It should not be easily accessible to broke kids and private tiers.

That's like saying the NBA should lower the baskets and make the hoops bigger, maybe add a height restriction - so you know, "Normal size" people have a chance to play too.

Besides - the car is never the real expense of racing. It's the transportation, parts, service, tires, wheels, techs, gas, the fact that you are on the road and not at work, lodging, food et al that is the real cost.


Once FD starts having fatalities or massive team drop outs because of costs, then you'll see some significant changes - just like in NASCAR and F1.

I had a buddy that tried to go Pro-MX when he was 16/17. The family spent like 85k in two seasons. When it didn't happen the second season, he was done. The $15k bike was a drop in the bucket.

So wether you have a $50k race car or a $200k car, it's a drop in the bucket.

Corbic

And what is wrong with that?

hobbs

They already did that back in 1989, turbo engines were too expensive. Damn shame if you ask me, 1985-1988 had some awesome cars.

http://youtu.be/Iu8RJZVw0Ao?t=10m35s

TMW

this. msglength

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singlecamslam

A street legal class would be awesome, but in california it would be nothing but stock KA's.

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gbaby2089

Everything done in F1 in the last few years has been to 'boost competitiveness' and 'cut costs.'

Do they do either of these things? Probably not, but they think they're trying.

kpnasty

ill just hit the ground running here, formula D fucking sucks. I'd watch 100hp corollas any day of the week, over some autopilot driving, ugly sounding, ugly looking cars.

street legal, drift muscle, etc. would be awesome here, but everyone forgot drifting is about looking good, accessorizing yo whip, and neons and strobes.... fucking BOOORIINNG.

spooled240

the second car tries to play catch up by drifting shitty. Drifting used to be about style, not speed