Xcede

So yesterday i was talking to my friend he said that if a cop dosent have his radar gun on he cant pull you over and give you a speeding ticket no matter how fast you fly by him.

his reason was that they wont have the proof of your speed.

i was thinking about it and i thought that even if they cant see your exact speed they can still tell your speeding cant they? its not that hard to tell. cant they still pull you over and give you a ticket for like reckless driving or something even tho they wont know your exact speed?

can anyone varify?

Ninjabread

Well, they can write you a ticket, but you can fight it in court.

One of my friends got out of it that way, he was in a 50mph zone in the country, exceeded the speed a bit, and then it turns into a 30mph zone because it's a little town. Well, he had to slow down ALOT because he didn't know, and the cop still nailed him with "you know how fast you were going?" and then my friend asked " did you have your radar gun on me? Because I swear my car said 30mph", so the cop goes " errr, no I didn't ... but I can still write you a ticket."

So my friend took it to court, and won. The cop didn't even show up.

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180sx_Drifter

^+1 true but if they do have the gun on you they also dont have to show it to you. Your number one thing to do is not admit. Like play stupid so you dont confess cause once you confess you basically turned yourself in.

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h22speed

though this may be in georgia, it may also answer some questions for you.

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...ticket+georgia

brndck

technically its true. but in gestapo cali i have a hard time believing that you could get away with it.

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Xcede

the whole reason the topic came up with me and my friend was because last week i was racing this MR2 sorta and we were like neck and neck the whole time. it wasnt really long enough to be called a race i guess you could say by the time we hit 60 the cop turned out of the gas station (accross the street) but when i pulled over the mr2 hit the breaks and just kept going (i was on the right side i dont think he saw the mr2).

he asked "Do you know how fast you were going back there?" i said i wasnt sure, he asked for my lic and regestration and came back 5 mins later with 2 fix-its one for my broken tail lamp and one for no front licence plate. so i had my girl friends dad write them off. haha

KuhnDawgAK47

the cop doesnt have to show up to court, the citation is his word and the judge looks at it as such, but in any case if you were speeding and the cops pull you over a trick they try (if they didnt radar you), theyll ask: "do you know how fast you were going?" and if you answer with a speed that puts you in the wrong (i.e. speeding) then they can write you a ticket for the speed you confessed to.

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corriganjoshua

it couldnt be classified as just...wreckless driving?

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Palmer

Cops can write you a ticket if they think your speeding wether they have the radar gun out or not. If it looks like your speeding and the cop is a dick or he's just having a bad day, he can write you a ticket if he wants to. Now when you get to court and if the cop even shows up, he will then have to testify that you were actually speeding. I've gone to court for this twice and both times the cop didn't show. Now i'm not exactly sure how they show actual proof that you were speeding in court but, if they don't show you 99.99% of the time win your case.

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jrbump

It's called "Basic Speed Rule" and yes you can get a ticket for it. At least in Oregon anyway, every state is different.

Phlip

I am moving this to off-topic, first of all...

Next, a police officer's visual estimation of your speed is permissible as evidence in court, as the fact is that speed estimate training is part of radar training, and they have to be able to accurately estimate speeds to get certification.

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corriganjoshua

you sumed it all up i dont think there is need for anymore discussion haha

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opponheimer

Ulysses S Grant got a speeding ticket for riding his horse too fast through Washington, you think they had radar guns then? Cops can do whatever they want, but without actual proof its fight-able in court.

Some small towns need a certain population for radar guns even to be allowed for use... So you could fight it in that aspect as well.. of course you'd need to look up the laws for your county/state.

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+1 heard it from a few state troopers now myself...

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Dang somebody from south dakota haha

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98s14inaz

I didn't read the whole thread but there are many methods for estimating speed. You have a right to ask which one was used and to see it. speed = distance/time. Some police cruisers in AZ have a device that does the math for them. Don't speed and drive like a douche, save it for the track or don't drive at all.

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exitspeed

A police officer can give you a ticket for "imprudent speeding". I've received one personally. He did not have a gun, but I was obviously speeding.

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98s14inaz

He still has the burden of proof. When was his cruiser's speedo last calibrated to assure accuracy? There are several other arguments you can use but I don't remember them off hand.

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drift freaq

No its not true and you have been smoking to much of that funny stuff beach boy. Its on the books in all states its called basic speed law, they can spot you and say your speeding they can pace you and say your speeding. You do know there were speeding tickets before radar.
How do you think they wrote them? Oh wait you weren't born, so you will just spout ignorance without investigating.

P.S. If you think California is so Gestapo like you can leave. Otherwise lay off the bong hits they are going to your head.

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jackjack

thats pretty much what it comes down too. also depends on the judge.

Ninjabread

You can also use that against them, and ask if they in fact have gone through the training. Alot of times, they haven't.

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Mr.S14

man i cant wait till i start sheriff academy, im going to bust all of you in so cal lolz jk but i am going to the sheriff academy

ericcastro

See, I heard different in WA state. I heard they have to have the gun. they have to show you if asked. And they have to have the proof that they calibrated it in the morning.
And I ALWAYS ask to see the gun. Because I have heard of people getting off because they didn't show the gun. Basically, the cop missed the chance to use the gun, but pulled em over anyways.
And police officers get paid to show up in court, usually overtime. So your just doing them a favor. Do the writen declaration. www.ticketassasin.com
And I think here in California, they do what they want with no consequenses. i got the BS fix it tickets to prove it. (I saw BS, cause i dont fix anything, and get em signed off)

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SC_S13

its California state law that if you ask for a visual confirmation of their gun and its reading, they have to show it to you. refusal to do so will weigh heavily in your favor in court.

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Aoshi112

my friend received a ticket for exhibition of speed for flooring his car for a few secs up to the posted speed limit. He saw the cop and hit the brake. Cop pulled him over and gave him exhibition of speed.

Matej

My non-working cluster has gotten me out of two speeding tickets, both times I said it just broke that morning, while in reality it hasn't worked in a year. The officers told me to fix it and let me off. If I ever fix my wiring I should install a killswitch for my cluster haha.

Rob's S14

Why were you racing an MR2? Seriously how did nobody else say anything about it. Guess what, if you don't street race, you probably won't a speeding ticket.

blasting_speed

I say fight it aye, just fight it.

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mRclARK1

Did you get a ticket? Were you speeding?

Pay it.

No, like driftfreaq said an officer does NOT need a radar reading on you to give you a ticket. If you're speeding excessively and an officer stops you, issues a ticket and you take it to court, the judge will most likely rule in the officers favor if you have no other reason then he had no radar reading. Besides, any officer I know would never tell you at the time he/she didn't radar you.

Ever have an officer say "Do you know how fast you were going?"

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your friend did the right thing by not admitting he broke the law but he also did lie which is something you really shouldn't do

you can always choose to not answer the question at all

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