PYRAMID SCHEMES!! Zurvita: Zeal For Life and Vemma: VERVE - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

tacobellman_2007 · 09-12-2013, 11:49 PM

For those of you who have ever been pulled into those pyramid scheme businesses like selling Avon, water bottle filters, etc...

Hey guys,

So this is my second time being invited to one of those "pyramid scheme" side jobs. Not exactly sure if they really ARE pyramid schemes, but they are a business that wants to recruit a whole bunch of people to try and spread awareness and sales of the product.

A lot of you may be familiar with this, a lot of you not. I was first introduced to Zurvita Zeal For Life by this guy from my local church. Brought the "product" with him to his friend's house (who is a neighbor of my mom's) and gave me a sample to try. Showed me the typical video to try to get you pumped and persuaded. Then talked about the "free car" deal. As long as you buy the special Gold Pack for $$$, you'll be on your way to making that money

Smh.

Well, I decided to try it out. The thing is, is that the $500 package of "product" was purchased by ANOTHER guy who lived in the neighborhood who was also participating in this Zeal For Life product, and he decided that he would let me hold on to it for me to try and "share" the product with anyone I knew. Well, after trying to talk to several members of my family, none of who was interested, I gave up. And then several weeks pass and I decide to tell my mom's close friend about it, without telling them what I was trying to get them into. I basically told them some guy would call them and tell them about what I was involved with. Nothing about selling anything so they wouldn't be defensive about it. And so, the guy from my church, who originally showed me the product first, gave them a call. Supposedly he went to their house and showed them the product and said that they were "interested." The guy from my church called ME up and said "Good referral, they seem to be interested" etc. And after that, I pretty much stopped trying to sell the product. Gave up. I actually never sold even ONE bottle of that product to anyone. I don't even think my mom's friends got into it. Otherwise I would've known about it. And from then on, I never heard from the guy from my church. It's a really long story, he was very friendly in fact, but he was also really into trying to spread awareness. He was really dedicated to helping me, but I just never got good "referrals." So anyways, after all that waste of time worrying about who I was going to try to recruit, I told myself I would never deal with that shit again.

Fast forward to today. A girl from my high school who I've never really talked to much contacted me through Facebook yesterday saying that she was going to be at my school today (SDSU) and had a buddy who "started something that is becoming popular in other universities" and that she would tell me about it later...sounds a lot like what I told my mom's friends when I was involved with Zurvita...I just needed to text her back and meet her where this mystery meeting was going to be held. So, I abided and decided to go to see what this was going to be about to support whatever she was doing because I tend to do that with people :P I try to help peeps out. I honestly didn't think anything of it. Thought it might be the start of a new club or something.

And then the meeting time starts. And when I see the main guy open up Quicktime and open a video that is paused in the beginning with the tile of a cheesy "inspirational" phrase, I realize what this is about. And I'm thinking, "Shit." lmao. So I sit there smiling, pretending that I am oblivious to what is going on. By the way, there are about 15 other people in the room, a few of who were also "newcomers" like me who had no idea what they were about to be shown. I feel bad for the black guy sitting a few feet from me because while everyone who is already a part of this business scheme has a positive vibe, he is sitting there trying to fake a smile wondering what the hell is going on, whehter this shit is real or too good to be true. Lol. So, this meeting is basically like me watching a rerun of Zurvita Zeal for Life. Business you've NEVER heard of, claiming it is going to be at the billion mark in a few years, join today or REGRET it, FREE BMW and MERCEDES car once you make so and so profit

you know, all the bullshit. Sorry, but that's what I have to say about it. Oh yeah, and this guy in the video even mentions "the five words he hates:" "Too good to be true." Lmao. Well, it's the truth isn't it?? SOME people, I'm sure, will be able to do that, but not EVERYONE who joins this business scheme. The rest of them are all pawns. The people who are already in this business schemes are just people who seem to be really good at persuading. Unless they're dealing with someone who has already been through this. Like me.

Anyways, after the video is done, a few of the people who have already been a part of this business for awhile get up and share their "stories." Every time the person up there says something that is JUST a bit inspirational, all the "members" start clapping and acting all positive and excited and shit lol. They were basically acting. It was so ridiculous!! Lol! And after every "inspirational" sentence that one of the "members" brought up, one of the guys kept saying, "Let's go! >

" like one of those pumped up rappers XD it was so damn cheesy.

So after the speakers are done, one girl tries to tell me how awesome it will be and everything, tells stories, etc. And then I reveal to her that I have already been a part of something very close to this. And does this stop her from trying to persuade me? No. So anyways, cut to the chase, I say "I'll have to think about it" and then she comes back with "Well, if you wait, you'll lose out" and "the longer you wait, the more other people will take your spot. Timing is key to business." And I'm like "Okay! Thank you!" And then I notice how her face turns from this face

to :| lmao. And when I leave, one of the MAIN guys walks with me out the door, closes it, and talks to me about what I thought. I tell him my opinion, and then he looks a bit alarmed. And he says "Look, you can't tell anyone about this." And then I'm thinking, wait what? I can tell whoever the f*** I want! lmao. But then he says why. "Because it'll hurt your chances in the business and those people will get to the top before you." And then I'm like wooooww, okay. At first I thought he didn't want me to tell anyone of the bullshit experience I just went through :P well, here I am doing it on Zilvia. And he also explains that he "gave very specific training to ______" <--( insert name of the girl who tried to recruit me here). "Tips" he couldn't share unless I became a part of the business. And he also claimed that because two people joined just now, they just made $400 on the spot. Lmao. Awesome. So then that black guy I was telling you guys about earlier is about to come out with a packet full of information about the Verve energy drink (yes, I got this thick-ass packet for Zurvita as well) and as he comes out the main guy I'm talking to places his attention on the black guy because he obviously lost out on me. "Well, thank you!" I say, and then I leave.

Whew. Anyways, this story was honestly cut short. lol. I just want to say, I feel very sorry for the people who join these little business schemes. Claiming that you will regret it in a few years because of how successful the business will be in a few years. It's just so ridiculous. I REALLY want to see how either of these two businesses (Zurvita and Verve) will be doing in a couple of years from now. I'd like to see this thread revived in a few years when they become a billion dollar business. L.O.L.

Anyone else on here ever been through b.s. like this before?

P.S. here's a link to a funny thread I found searching up Vemma Verve:

Is this whole "Verve" energy drink thing a pyramid scheme? | IGN Boards

w0nderbr3ad · 09-13-2013, 12:06 AM

I've been through meetings like that when I was younger and decided after all the bullshit they fed to me, I decided that I'd rather work for my money rather than take someone else's money. There are just some people who are just good at selling a product that it becomes their way of living.

At one point my friend and I were invited to hang out with some guys and chill at Gordon Biersch in Mission Valley. So we hung out and we were surprised because one guy drove a clean s30 with deep dish ssr mesh and the other guy drove his r35. I thought hey new car guys to know. Low and behold they tried to sell us into joining whatever pyramid scheme they were in. I drank my beer and left.

tacobellman_2007 · 09-13-2013, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by w0nderbr3ad

I've been through meetings like that when I was younger and decided after all the bullshit they fed to me, I decided that I'd rather work for my money rather than take someone else's money. There are just some people who are just good at selling a product that it becomes their way of living.

At one point my friend and I were invited to hang out with some guys and chill at Gordon Biersch in Mission Valley. So we hung out and we were surprised because one guy drove a clean s30 with deep dish ssr mesh and the other guy drove his r35. I thought hey new car guys to know. Low and behold they tried to sell us into joining whatever pyramid scheme they were in. I drank my beer and left.

Yeah, you're right about that some-people-being-good-at-selling thing. But lol, glad to know I'm not the only one on here who's been through this and realized how sad it is.

xBandiTx · 09-13-2013, 12:52 AM

You realize network marketing (The profession all these companies are considered) is the highest paying profession in the world right? Higher than sports and any career school gives you. Ionno bout other companies but I personally am involved in Vemma. If you think its a Pyramid scheme I wanna know if you know what that even is? Vemma has a A+ rating with the better business bureau ( A organization made by the government to regulate businesses) as well as has our every drink verve Endorsed by Michael Jordan himself. He made it the official health & wellness product of the Charlotte Bobcats, its also the Official energy drink of the NBA Phoenix Suns & NWBA Phoenix Mercury, before it was involved with any of those companies the NBA itself personally sent 18 lawyers to break apart our company and came to the conclusion it was a legitimate business and not a pyramid scheme or scam like most people like to consider these things.

Now you stated you dont want to be taking peoples money or something like that. You realize your job is doing the same thing from you without even giving you the respect to truely earn your potential. Now I'm not going to try n get you in because its obvious you just don't want to be apart of this type of profession which is 100% ok. Network marketing isnt for everyone.

So like I said as far as VEMMA goes, its a legitimate company that does make legitimate money. Actually we make residuals passive income, which is the best type of income available because its the least taxed and constantly grows regardless if your working or not. I'm not trying to disrespect you st all I'm just clarifying your statement that's saying these company are schemes.

PS: Verve has been on the Dr.Oz show, E.T. MTV news, and fox news quite a few times.

7x13 · 09-13-2013, 09:16 AM

Old High School "friend" is swallowed up in this.
The whole VEMMA/Verve thing.

Seen the and read the facts.

Personally I'd rather work hard for what I got than take the easy route.

Free BMW/Benz is a perk but after how long?

I can get a BMW no prob. E30 ftw.

imotion s14 · 09-13-2013, 06:18 PM

lol I remember when I got invited to a pyramid scheme and the first thing they showed me on the screen was a image of a MLM structure that resembled a step-pyramid.

innovation · 09-13-2013, 06:59 PM

T.L.D.R?

Actually I read a bit of it, I just found it somewhat hard to follow. The O.P. needs to take some English composition classes.

jamg · 09-13-2013, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by xBandiTx

You realize network marketing (The profession all these companies are considered) is the highest paying profession in the world right? .

lol no dude...

just.. no.

imotion s14 · 09-13-2013, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by xBandiTx

Vemma has a A+ rating with the better business bureau ( A organization made by the government to regulate businesses)

BBB is not a government agency with the power to regulate anything, they don't have the power to do diddly squat in fact (other than give you a letter grade.)

oh you're 21...

Felipe · 09-13-2013, 07:44 PM

Reminds me of that asian guy from Pain & Gain lol

***S14DB*** · 09-13-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jamg

lol no dude...

just.. no.

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hatchtastic · 09-13-2013, 09:07 PM

Alright OP im going to try to keep this as simple as i possibly can and explain to you what is real. I think you judgment is just misguided because of your lack of knowledge as well as, from what it sounds like, attending a presentation where the presenter has a lot to work to do on himself.

With that being said Network marketing is one of the best industry's to be in, especially these days. Everything now is performances based meaning, you either preform or you get canned. This industry is no different from that except you just don't earn a paycheck. It is also not about selling a product. Somewhere along the line in the mid 90's people forgot that. The job of a distributor is simply to collect a decision by providing enough information about the company, the product(s) and the compensation plan for people to do so. These companies have been trying to re-invent the wheel and in turn completely left out the basics. Instead of giving people the necessary information that they need to make an educated decision all they are doing is trying to hype people up and get people to join off of emotion rather than knowledge.

In order to build a large organization you have to have a process that your average Joe can duplicate. If you don't your business as an individual will fail very quickly. The majority of presentations are not done in this way, especially the one that you described. What ends up happening with that is in order for you do be successful at all you would continuously have to sponsor people, and you will end up with a bunch of people that are not active or dropped out like you did before because they cannot duplicate the process.

What I'm getting at is there are ways for virtually anyone to be be successful in network marketing, you just have to get involved with the right people that can teach you the right things to do.

I honestly could go on into further detail a lot longer than i care to admit lol. I hope i at least changed your view on things even slightly and if you have any questions i would be happy to answer them. good luck

Corbic · 09-13-2013, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hatchtastic

Alright OP im going to try to keep this as simple as i possibly can and explain to you what is real. I think you judgment is just misguided because of your lack of knowledge as well as, from what it sounds like, attending a presentation where the presenter has a lot to work to do on himself.

With that being said Network marketing is one of the best industry's to be in, especially these days. Everything now is performances based meaning, you either preform or you get canned. This industry is no different from that except you just don't earn a paycheck. It is also not about selling a product. Somewhere along the line in the mid 90's people forgot that. The job of a distributor is simply to collect a decision by providing enough information about the company, the product(s) and the compensation plan for people to do so. These companies have been trying to re-invent the wheel and in turn completely left out the basics. Instead of giving people the necessary information that they need to make an educated decision all they are doing is trying to hype people up and get people to join off of emotion rather than knowledge.

In order to build a large organization you have to have a process that your average Joe can duplicate. If you don't your business as an individual will fail very quickly. The majority of presentations are not done in this way, especially the one that you described. What ends up happening with that is in order for you do be successful at all you would continuously have to sponsor people, and you will end up with a bunch of people that are not active or dropped out like you did before because they cannot duplicate the process.

What I'm getting at is there are ways for virtually anyone to be be successful in network marketing, you just have to get involved with the right people that can teach you the right things to do.

I honestly could go on into further detail a lot longer than i care to admit lol. I hope i at least changed your view on things even slightly and if you have any questions i would be happy to answer them. good luck

You made your argument in the same was as you are arguing is bad.

Show me the data.

imotion s14 · 09-13-2013, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hatchtastic

Alright OP im going to try to keep this as simple as i possibly can and explain to you what is real. I think you judgment is just misguided because of your lack of knowledge as well as, from what it sounds like, attending a presentation where the presenter has a lot to work to do on himself.

With that being said Network marketing is one of the best industry's to be in, especially these days. Everything now is performances based meaning, you either preform or you get canned. This industry is no different from that except you just don't earn a paycheck. It is also not about selling a product. Somewhere along the line in the mid 90's people forgot that. The job of a distributor is simply to collect a decision by providing enough information about the company, the product(s) and the compensation plan for people to do so. These companies have been trying to re-invent the wheel and in turn completely left out the basics. Instead of giving people the necessary information that they need to make an educated decision all they are doing is trying to hype people up and get people to join off of emotion rather than knowledge.

In order to build a large organization you have to have a process that your average Joe can duplicate. If you don't your business as an individual will fail very quickly. The majority of presentations are not done in this way, especially the one that you described. What ends up happening with that is in order for you do be successful at all you would continuously have to sponsor people, and you will end up with a bunch of people that are not active or dropped out like you did before because they cannot duplicate the process.

What I'm getting at is there are ways for virtually anyone to be be successful in network marketing, you just have to get involved with the right people that can teach you the right things to do.

I honestly could go on into further detail a lot longer than i care to admit lol. I hope i at least changed your view on things even slightly and if you have any questions i would be happy to answer them. good luck

Sounds like a pyramid scheme...

hatchtastic · 09-13-2013, 10:10 PM

honestly it wont matter what i tell either of you. i can tell this simply that your minds are so fucked up you will never be rich, and im not talking just about money. i really feel bad for you. good luck

***S14DB*** · 09-13-2013, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hatchtastic

This industry is no different from that except you just don't earn a paycheck.

I would say this statement is true.

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It can be very difficult, if not impossible, for most individuals to make a lot of money through the direct sale of products to consumers. And big money is what recruiters often allude to in their pitches."

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Roland Whitsell, a former business professor who spent 40 years researching and teaching the pitfalls of multilevel marketing": "You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone making over $1.50 an hour, (t)he primary product is opportunity. The strongest, most powerful motivational force today is false hope."

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It is also not about selling a product.

Which is why it is a scam. Anything that survives on recruiting more people is a pyramid scheme. If the people dry up the revenue dries up. Any legitimate business should be able to achieve homeostasis.
Pyramid scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Originally Posted by hatchtastic

The job of a distributor is simply to collect a decision by providing enough information about the company, the product(s) and the compensation plan for people to do so.

Distributor? Do you mean the person interested in the "job"?

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Originally Posted by hatchtastic

These companies have been trying to re-invent the wheel and in turn completely left out the basics. Instead of giving people the necessary information that they need to make an educated decision all they are doing is trying to hype people up and get people to join off of emotion rather than knowledge.

This is what con men do. Get you to get invested based on emotion not logic.

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Originally Posted by hatchtastic

In order to build a large organization you have to have a process that your average Joe can duplicate. If you don't your business as an individual will fail very quickly. The majority of presentations are not done in this way, especially the one that you described. What ends up happening with that is in order for you do be successful at all you would continuously have to sponsor people, and you will end up with a bunch of people that are not active or dropped out like you did before because they cannot duplicate the process.

Which it is why it is a pyramid scheme.

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Originally Posted by hatchtastic

What I'm getting at is there are ways for virtually anyone to be be successful in network marketing, you just have to get involved with the right people that can teach you the right things to do.

There are good MLMs that actually focus on selling products. The products serve a purpose.

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Find — and study — the company’s track record. Do an internet search with the name of the company and words like review, scam, or complaint. Look through several pages of search results. You also may want to look for articles about the company in newspapers, magazines, or online. Find out:

how long the company has been in business

whether it has a positive reputation for customer satisfaction

what the buzz is about the company and its product on blogs and websites

whether the company has been sued for deceptive business practices

Check with your state Attorney General for complaints about any company you’re considering, although a lack of complaints doesn’t guarantee that a company is legitimate.

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Evaluate the Plan

Don’t pay or sign a contract in an “opportunity meeting.” Take your time to think over your decision. Your investment requires real money, so don’t rush into it without doing some research first.

Ask your sponsor for the terms and conditions of the plan, including:

the compensation structure

your potential expenses

support for claims about how much money you can make

the name and contact information of someone at the company who can answer your questions

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Ask your sponsor and other distributors tough questions, and dig for details. Don’t consider it nosy or intrusive: you are on a mission to check out a potential business deal that will require your money and your time.

Their responses can help you detect false claims about the amount of money you may make and whether the business is a pyramid scheme. Here are some questions to ask before making any decisions:

How many people have you recruited?

How long have you been in the business?

How much time did you spend last year on the business?

How much money did you make last year — that is, your income and bonuses, less your expenses?

What were your expenses last year, including money you spent on training and buying products?

What percentage of your sales were made to distributors?

How much product did you sell to distributors?

What are your annual sales of the product?

What percentage of the money you’ve made — income and bonuses less your expenses — came from recruiting other distributors and selling them inventory or other items to get started?

It’s important to get a complete picture of how the plan works: not just how much money distributors make, but also how much time and money they spend on the plan, how long it takes before they’re earning money, and how big a downline is needed to make money. One sign of a pyramid scheme is if distributors sell more product to other distributors than to the public — or if they make more money from recruiting than they do from selling.

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hatchtastic · 09-13-2013, 11:23 PM

every network marketing company has the same purpose. there is no good or bad ones. if they are legal this means that they have be evaluated to have a product that meets or exceeds the value of which it is being sold for. people twist things around in every way possible to make things seem horrid or dishonest. if they were dishonest they would not be in business, period. I have been very successful and still am in this industry and almost every person that i have personally sponsored has been as well. this is because i show people what is real and i do not sell people on hype. kinda like i just explained. calling something a pyramid scheme because you do not like or agree with the product is ignorant. and there are no MLM's that focus more on selling products. if that was the case they would not be an MLM. instead any sale that is made has to come from a distributor, in other words they have to pay a commission to someone in order for a product to be sold.

but whatever this is a retarded argument with no ending what-so-ever. people's opinion on this simply comes from THEIR lack of success not from the company being a scam. Its kinda the same as if you google a chiropractor. Does a chiropractor's work make a difference, absolutely, its just body mechanics, but if you look on google they are the biggest witch doctors on the planet.

uraznfriend · 09-14-2013, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by xBandiTx

You realize network marketing (The profession all these companies are considered) is the highest paying profession in the world right? Higher than sports and any career school gives you. Ionno bout other companies but I personally am involved in Vemma. If you think its a Pyramid scheme I wanna know if you know what that even is? Vemma has a A+ rating with the better business bureau ( A organization made by the government to regulate businesses) as well as has our every drink verve Endorsed by Michael Jordan himself. He made it the official health & wellness product of the Charlotte Bobcats, its also the Official energy drink of the NBA Phoenix Suns & NWBA Phoenix Mercury, before it was involved with any of those companies the NBA itself personally sent 18 lawyers to break apart our company and came to the conclusion it was a legitimate business and not a pyramid scheme or scam like most people like to consider these things.

Now you stated you dont want to be taking peoples money or something like that. You realize your job is doing the same thing from you without even giving you the respect to truely earn your potential. Now I'm not going to try n get you in because its obvious you just don't want to be apart of this type of profession which is 100% ok. Network marketing isnt for everyone.

So like I said as far as VEMMA goes, its a legitimate company that does make legitimate money. Actually we make residuals passive income, which is the best type of income available because its the least taxed and constantly grows regardless if your working or not. I'm not trying to disrespect you st all I'm just clarifying your statement that's saying these company are schemes.

PS: Verve has been on the Dr.Oz show, E.T. MTV news, and fox news quite a few times.

explain to me since your part of this "company" your still driving an S-chassis if I made as much money as they claim I would be dumping all my money on a real sports car.

p.s. I don't think referencing Fox News or MTV helps your case

imotion s14 · 09-14-2013, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hatchtastic

but whatever this is a retarded argument with no ending what-so-ever. people's opinion on this simply comes from THEIR lack of success not from the company being a scam. Its kinda the same as if you google a chiropractor. Does a chiropractor's work make a difference, absolutely, its just body mechanics, but if you look on google they are the biggest witch doctors on the planet.

Maybe if all a Chiropractor does is go around recruiting other chiropractors and collecting "opportunity fees".

Chaluska · 09-14-2013, 08:22 AM

www.youtube.com/embed/Ep3pO7X7fEQ

^^just watch that

imotion s14 · 09-14-2013, 09:03 AM

Makes me want to start an MLM company now.

redline racer510 · 09-14-2013, 03:08 PM

Some body tried to drag me into this via conference call. If it is so successful why recruit, why not just keep all the money for your self and keep it a secret? I have seen many people burn there hard earned dollars trying to prop- up their pyramid scheme business only to destroy their entire lives(broke,divorced,homeless). Be very weary of these companies, the old saying too good to be true still applies.

jesse_s13 · 09-14-2013, 03:34 PM

This SHIT is blowing up my Facebook and Instagram feed.

1. Its annoying, I don't post about how much money I make at my job or post inspirational quotes about not giving up referring to the "pyramid scheme"
2. I usually find college students relying that this will make them rich. So why are you still in college?
3. I have never tried any pyramid scheme because I would rather throw money in my 401k or stocks.

Personally if you can make it work GREAT. But for 99% of people it probably won't because they don't have all day to blow up peoples Social Media inboxes trying to recruit. It's extremely funny when girls try to "flirt" their way into getting you to go to a meeting.

For most college/hard work is the key to SUCCESS.

/rant.

imotion s14 · 09-14-2013, 06:00 PM

xBandiTx · 09-18-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by S14DB

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network marketing isnt a job, lol Its a lifestyle. You should read Business of the 21st century by Robert Kiyasaki. Someone who grew up believing he needed school to be rich but got shown the truth by his best friends dad that he didnt.

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Originally Posted by imotion s14

BBB is not a government agency with the power to regulate anything, they don't have the power to do diddly squat in fact (other than give you a letter grade.)

oh you're 21...

You obviously dont know what your talking about, the BBB is run by the Government

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Originally Posted by hatchtastic

Alright OP im going to try to keep this as simple as i possibly can and explain to you what is real. I think you judgment is just misguided because of your lack of knowledge as well as, from what it sounds like, attending a presentation where the presenter has a lot to work to do on himself.

With that being said Network marketing is one of the best industry's to be in, especially these days. Everything now is performances based meaning, you either preform or you get canned. This industry is no different from that except you just don't earn a paycheck. It is also not about selling a product. Somewhere along the line in the mid 90's people forgot that. The job of a distributor is simply to collect a decision by providing enough information about the company, the product(s) and the compensation plan for people to do so. These companies have been trying to re-invent the wheel and in turn completely left out the basics. Instead of giving people the necessary information that they need to make an educated decision all they are doing is trying to hype people up and get people to join off of emotion rather than knowledge.

In order to build a large organization you have to have a process that your average Joe can duplicate. If you don't your business as an individual will fail very quickly. The majority of presentations are not done in this way, especially the one that you described. What ends up happening with that is in order for you do be successful at all you would continuously have to sponsor people, and you will end up with a bunch of people that are not active or dropped out like you did before because they cannot duplicate the process.

What I'm getting at is there are ways for virtually anyone to be be successful in network marketing, you just have to get involved with the right people that can teach you the right things to do.

I honestly could go on into further detail a lot longer than i care to admit lol. I hope i at least changed your view on things even slightly and if you have any questions i would be happy to answer them. good luck

Yupp

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Originally Posted by uraznfriend

explain to me since your part of this "company" your still driving an S-chassis if I made as much money as they claim I would be dumping all my money on a real sports car.

p.s. I don't think referencing Fox News or MTV helps your case

You know some people arent materialistic right? Im not going to act like im something I'm not, Im making More than a $400+ a week in this company residually. Im saving up to buy a GTR next summer.

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This SHIT is blowing up my Facebook and Instagram feed.

1. Its annoying, I don't post about how much money I make at my job or post inspirational quotes about not giving up referring to the "pyramid scheme"
2. I usually find college students relying that this will make them rich. So why are you still in college?
3. I have never tried any pyramid scheme because I would rather throw money in my 401k or stocks.

Personally if you can make it work GREAT. But for 99% of people it probably won't because they don't have all day to blow up peoples Social Media inboxes trying to recruit. It's extremely funny when girls try to "flirt" their way into getting you to go to a meeting.

For most college/hard work is the key to SUCCESS.

/rant.

you realize 401K gets taxed just as much as a regular paycheck right? Stocks are ok to invest in but it doesnt really prove you know anything about money, its more of a chance. It can work and it has of course, but it also can make alotta people loose money.

Now of course you can argue the same about network marketing but in the end its all on your personal choice. Id rather invest in network marketing because its based on what I do myself, stocks is just a coin flip.

You dont need a degree to be successful, Forbes magazine considered higher education a pyramid scheme because of student loan debt and the fact that 30% of students graduating with a B.A are getting jobs started at $30K a year, keep in mind the average student loan debt is roughly $25K.

No matter what you think about network marketing you dont have to be invovled in it. If your fine with a original income( which is taxed 40%-60% of YOUR effort) Thats fine...network marketing isnt for everyone because not everyone is willing to take the risks and do what it takes to make it. Also if everyone was in network marketing nothing would get done lol.

so i have no hate towards anyone speaking negatively on NM, but to say its a scam, pyramid scheme, ponzi scheme, etc. is just ignorant. If your wanna go to school and get a job do so thats completely fine, network marketing just allows you to build a Residual Passive income (Google what that means) while you do go to school or work your job .

***S14DB*** · 09-18-2013, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by xBandiTx

You realize network marketing (The profession all these companies are considered) is the highest paying profession in the world right? .

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Originally Posted by xBandiTx

network marketing isnt a job, lol Its a lifestyle.

profession - definition of profession by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
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Originally Posted by xBandiTx

You should read Business of the 21st century by Robert Kiyasaki. Someone who grew up believing he needed school to be rich but got shown the truth by his best friends dad that he didnt.

Nice stories and antidotes. More motivational then helpful information.

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Originally Posted by xBandiTx

You obviously dont know what your talking about, the BBB is run by the Government

BBB is an NPO. Is this some conspiracy shit?

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Originally Posted by xBandiTx

you realize 401K gets taxed just as much as a regular paycheck right?

I better stop my Roth contributions right now!
401(k) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

dudermagee · 09-18-2013, 08:20 PM

lolkids
I remember those dumb infomercials when I was growing up.
Then I went to school and got a job.

Corbic · 09-18-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xBandiTx

You know some people arent materialistic right? Im not going to act like im something I'm not, Im making More than a $400+ a week

Wait...

$400 a week.

Not $400 an hour.

Not $4,000 a week.

But.... $400 a week?

You can make more than that in 4 hours giving "massages" on craigslist.

imotion s14 · 09-18-2013, 08:28 PM

Deconstructing Robert Kiyosaki - The Simple Dollar

Robert Kiyosaki got rich by duping fools to buy his get rich quick books.

uraznfriend · 09-19-2013, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by xBandiTx

You know some people arent materialistic right? Im not going to act like im something I'm not, Im making More than a $400+ a week in this company residually. Im saving up to buy a GTR next summer.

if im working full time at my job I make a bit over $400 a week too. damn watch out zilvia xBandiTx and I are getting GTRs next summer!!

09-12-2013, 11:49 PM	#1
tacobellman_2007 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Creeperville Posts: 631 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	PYRAMID SCHEMES!! Zurvita: Zeal For Life and Vemma: VERVE For those of you who have ever been pulled into those pyramid scheme businesses like selling Avon, water bottle filters, etc... Hey guys, So this is my second time being invited to one of those "pyramid scheme" side jobs. Not exactly sure if they really ARE pyramid schemes, but they are a business that wants to recruit a whole bunch of people to try and spread awareness and sales of the product. A lot of you may be familiar with this, a lot of you not. I was first introduced to Zurvita Zeal For Life by this guy from my local church. Brought the "product" with him to his friend's house (who is a neighbor of my mom's) and gave me a sample to try. Showed me the typical video to try to get you pumped and persuaded. Then talked about the "free car" deal. As long as you buy the special Gold Pack for $$$, you'll be on your way to making that money Smh. Well, I decided to try it out. The thing is, is that the $500 package of "product" was purchased by ANOTHER guy who lived in the neighborhood who was also participating in this Zeal For Life product, and he decided that he would let me hold on to it for me to try and "share" the product with anyone I knew. Well, after trying to talk to several members of my family, none of who was interested, I gave up. And then several weeks pass and I decide to tell my mom's close friend about it, without telling them what I was trying to get them into. I basically told them some guy would call them and tell them about what I was involved with. Nothing about selling anything so they wouldn't be defensive about it. And so, the guy from my church, who originally showed me the product first, gave them a call. Supposedly he went to their house and showed them the product and said that they were "interested." The guy from my church called ME up and said "Good referral, they seem to be interested" etc. And after that, I pretty much stopped trying to sell the product. Gave up. I actually never sold even ONE bottle of that product to anyone. I don't even think my mom's friends got into it. Otherwise I would've known about it. And from then on, I never heard from the guy from my church. It's a really long story, he was very friendly in fact, but he was also really into trying to spread awareness. He was really dedicated to helping me, but I just never got good "referrals." So anyways, after all that waste of time worrying about who I was going to try to recruit, I told myself I would never deal with that shit again. Fast forward to today. A girl from my high school who I've never really talked to much contacted me through Facebook yesterday saying that she was going to be at my school today (SDSU) and had a buddy who "started something that is becoming popular in other universities" and that she would tell me about it later...sounds a lot like what I told my mom's friends when I was involved with Zurvita...I just needed to text her back and meet her where this mystery meeting was going to be held. So, I abided and decided to go to see what this was going to be about to support whatever she was doing because I tend to do that with people :P I try to help peeps out. I honestly didn't think anything of it. Thought it might be the start of a new club or something. And then the meeting time starts. And when I see the main guy open up Quicktime and open a video that is paused in the beginning with the tile of a cheesy "inspirational" phrase, I realize what this is about. And I'm thinking, "Shit." lmao. So I sit there smiling, pretending that I am oblivious to what is going on. By the way, there are about 15 other people in the room, a few of who were also "newcomers" like me who had no idea what they were about to be shown. I feel bad for the black guy sitting a few feet from me because while everyone who is already a part of this business scheme has a positive vibe, he is sitting there trying to fake a smile wondering what the hell is going on, whehter this shit is real or too good to be true. Lol. So, this meeting is basically like me watching a rerun of Zurvita Zeal for Life. Business you've NEVER heard of, claiming it is going to be at the billion mark in a few years, join today or REGRET it, FREE BMW and MERCEDES car once you make so and so profit you know, all the bullshit. Sorry, but that's what I have to say about it. Oh yeah, and this guy in the video even mentions "the five words he hates:" "Too good to be true." Lmao. Well, it's the truth isn't it?? SOME people, I'm sure, will be able to do that, but not EVERYONE who joins this business scheme. The rest of them are all pawns. The people who are already in this business schemes are just people who seem to be really good at persuading. Unless they're dealing with someone who has already been through this. Like me. Anyways, after the video is done, a few of the people who have already been a part of this business for awhile get up and share their "stories." Every time the person up there says something that is JUST a bit inspirational, all the "members" start clapping and acting all positive and excited and shit lol. They were basically acting. It was so ridiculous!! Lol! And after every "inspirational" sentence that one of the "members" brought up, one of the guys kept saying, "Let's go! >" like one of those pumped up rappers XD it was so damn cheesy. So after the speakers are done, one girl tries to tell me how awesome it will be and everything, tells stories, etc. And then I reveal to her that I have already been a part of something very close to this. And does this stop her from trying to persuade me? No. So anyways, cut to the chase, I say "I'll have to think about it" and then she comes back with "Well, if you wait, you'll lose out" and "the longer you wait, the more other people will take your spot. Timing is key to business." And I'm like "Okay! Thank you!" And then I notice how her face turns from this face to :\| lmao. And when I leave, one of the MAIN guys walks with me out the door, closes it, and talks to me about what I thought. I tell him my opinion, and then he looks a bit alarmed. And he says "Look, you can't tell anyone about this." And then I'm thinking, wait what? I can tell whoever the f*** I want! lmao. But then he says why. "Because it'll hurt your chances in the business and those people will get to the top before you." And then I'm like wooooww, okay. At first I thought he didn't want me to tell anyone of the bullshit experience I just went through :P well, here I am doing it on Zilvia. And he also explains that he "gave very specific training to ______" <--( insert name of the girl who tried to recruit me here). "Tips" he couldn't share unless I became a part of the business. And he also claimed that because two people joined just now, they just made $400 on the spot. Lmao. Awesome. So then that black guy I was telling you guys about earlier is about to come out with a packet full of information about the Verve energy drink (yes, I got this thick-ass packet for Zurvita as well) and as he comes out the main guy I'm talking to places his attention on the black guy because he obviously lost out on me. "Well, thank you!" I say, and then I leave. Whew. Anyways, this story was honestly cut short. lol. I just want to say, I feel very sorry for the people who join these little business schemes. Claiming that you will regret it in a few years because of how successful the business will be in a few years. It's just so ridiculous. I REALLY want to see how either of these two businesses (Zurvita and Verve) will be doing in a couple of years from now. I'd like to see this thread revived in a few years when they become a billion dollar business. L.O.L. Anyone else on here ever been through b.s. like this before? P.S. here's a link to a funny thread I found searching up Vemma Verve: Is this whole "Verve" energy drink thing a pyramid scheme? \| IGN Boards __________________ Amateur photography by me

09-13-2013, 12:52 AM	#4
xBandiTx Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: South Bay Area(408) Age: 29 Posts: 298 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You realize network marketing (The profession all these companies are considered) is the highest paying profession in the world right? Higher than sports and any career school gives you. Ionno bout other companies but I personally am involved in Vemma. If you think its a Pyramid scheme I wanna know if you know what that even is? Vemma has a A+ rating with the better business bureau ( A organization made by the government to regulate businesses) as well as has our every drink verve Endorsed by Michael Jordan himself. He made it the official health & wellness product of the Charlotte Bobcats, its also the Official energy drink of the NBA Phoenix Suns & NWBA Phoenix Mercury, before it was involved with any of those companies the NBA itself personally sent 18 lawyers to break apart our company and came to the conclusion it was a legitimate business and not a pyramid scheme or scam like most people like to consider these things. Now you stated you dont want to be taking peoples money or something like that. You realize your job is doing the same thing from you without even giving you the respect to truely earn your potential. Now I'm not going to try n get you in because its obvious you just don't want to be apart of this type of profession which is 100% ok. Network marketing isnt for everyone. So like I said as far as VEMMA goes, its a legitimate company that does make legitimate money. Actually we make residuals passive income, which is the best type of income available because its the least taxed and constantly grows regardless if your working or not. I'm not trying to disrespect you st all I'm just clarifying your statement that's saying these company are schemes. PS: Verve has been on the Dr.Oz show, E.T. MTV news, and fox news quite a few times. __________________ Love my FairLady Z31T

09-13-2013, 07:44 PM	#10
Felipe Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: No pues wow Posts: 2,959 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Reminds me of that asian guy from Pain & Gain lol __________________ Late Night Crew #1

09-14-2013, 08:22 AM	#20
Chaluska Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: Missouri City, TX Age: 38 Posts: 997 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	www.youtube.com/embed/Ep3pO7X7fEQ ^^just watch that __________________

09-14-2013, 03:08 PM	#22
redline racer510 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: EARFF(earth for you idiots) Posts: 1,072 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Some body tried to drag me into this via conference call. If it is so successful why recruit, why not just keep all the money for your self and keep it a secret? I have seen many people burn there hard earned dollars trying to prop- up their pyramid scheme business only to destroy their entire lives(broke,divorced,homeless). Be very weary of these companies, the old saying too good to be true still applies. __________________ WARNING: User has a low tolerance for stupidity. Post at your own risk.

09-13-2013, 12:06 AM	#2
w0nderbr3ad Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vantucky Posts: 1,293 Trader Rating: (50) Feedback Score: 50 reviews	I've been through meetings like that when I was younger and decided after all the bullshit they fed to me, I decided that I'd rather work for my money rather than take someone else's money. There are just some people who are just good at selling a product that it becomes their way of living. At one point my friend and I were invited to hang out with some guys and chill at Gordon Biersch in Mission Valley. So we hung out and we were surprised because one guy drove a clean s30 with deep dish ssr mesh and the other guy drove his r35. I thought hey new car guys to know. Low and behold they tried to sell us into joining whatever pyramid scheme they were in. I drank my beer and left.

09-13-2013, 09:16 AM	#5
7x13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: 90280 SoCal Age: 32 Posts: 116 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Old High School "friend" is swallowed up in this. The whole VEMMA/Verve thing. Seen the and read the facts. Personally I'd rather work hard for what I got than take the easy route. Free BMW/Benz is a perk but after how long? I can get a BMW no prob. E30 ftw.

09-13-2013, 06:18 PM	#6
imotion s14 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Houston, TX Age: 40 Posts: 713 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	lol I remember when I got invited to a pyramid scheme and the first thing they showed me on the screen was a image of a MLM structure that resembled a step-pyramid.

09-13-2013, 06:59 PM	#7
innovation Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	T.L.D.R? Actually I read a bit of it, I just found it somewhat hard to follow. The O.P. needs to take some English composition classes.

09-13-2013, 09:07 PM	#12
hatchtastic Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: phoenix az Age: 31 Posts: 281 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Alright OP im going to try to keep this as simple as i possibly can and explain to you what is real. I think you judgment is just misguided because of your lack of knowledge as well as, from what it sounds like, attending a presentation where the presenter has a lot to work to do on himself. With that being said Network marketing is one of the best industry's to be in, especially these days. Everything now is performances based meaning, you either preform or you get canned. This industry is no different from that except you just don't earn a paycheck. It is also not about selling a product. Somewhere along the line in the mid 90's people forgot that. The job of a distributor is simply to collect a decision by providing enough information about the company, the product(s) and the compensation plan for people to do so. These companies have been trying to re-invent the wheel and in turn completely left out the basics. Instead of giving people the necessary information that they need to make an educated decision all they are doing is trying to hype people up and get people to join off of emotion rather than knowledge. In order to build a large organization you have to have a process that your average Joe can duplicate. If you don't your business as an individual will fail very quickly. The majority of presentations are not done in this way, especially the one that you described. What ends up happening with that is in order for you do be successful at all you would continuously have to sponsor people, and you will end up with a bunch of people that are not active or dropped out like you did before because they cannot duplicate the process. What I'm getting at is there are ways for virtually anyone to be be successful in network marketing, you just have to get involved with the right people that can teach you the right things to do. I honestly could go on into further detail a lot longer than i care to admit lol. I hope i at least changed your view on things even slightly and if you have any questions i would be happy to answer them. good luck

09-13-2013, 10:10 PM	#15
hatchtastic Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: phoenix az Age: 31 Posts: 281 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	honestly it wont matter what i tell either of you. i can tell this simply that your minds are so fucked up you will never be rich, and im not talking just about money. i really feel bad for you. good luck

09-13-2013, 11:23 PM	#17
hatchtastic Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: phoenix az Age: 31 Posts: 281 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	every network marketing company has the same purpose. there is no good or bad ones. if they are legal this means that they have be evaluated to have a product that meets or exceeds the value of which it is being sold for. people twist things around in every way possible to make things seem horrid or dishonest. if they were dishonest they would not be in business, period. I have been very successful and still am in this industry and almost every person that i have personally sponsored has been as well. this is because i show people what is real and i do not sell people on hype. kinda like i just explained. calling something a pyramid scheme because you do not like or agree with the product is ignorant. and there are no MLM's that focus more on selling products. if that was the case they would not be an MLM. instead any sale that is made has to come from a distributor, in other words they have to pay a commission to someone in order for a product to be sold. but whatever this is a retarded argument with no ending what-so-ever. people's opinion on this simply comes from THEIR lack of success not from the company being a scam. Its kinda the same as if you google a chiropractor. Does a chiropractor's work make a difference, absolutely, its just body mechanics, but if you look on google they are the biggest witch doctors on the planet.

09-14-2013, 09:03 AM	#21
imotion s14 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Houston, TX Age: 40 Posts: 713 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Makes me want to start an MLM company now.

09-14-2013, 03:34 PM	#23
jesse_s13 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sacramento,CA/Fresno,CA/El Paso,Tx Posts: 1,829 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	This SHIT is blowing up my Facebook and Instagram feed. 1. Its annoying, I don't post about how much money I make at my job or post inspirational quotes about not giving up referring to the "pyramid scheme" 2. I usually find college students relying that this will make them rich. So why are you still in college? 3. I have never tried any pyramid scheme because I would rather throw money in my 401k or stocks. Personally if you can make it work GREAT. But for 99% of people it probably won't because they don't have all day to blow up peoples Social Media inboxes trying to recruit. It's extremely funny when girls try to "flirt" their way into getting you to go to a meeting. For most college/hard work is the key to SUCCESS. /rant. __________________

09-14-2013, 06:00 PM	#24
imotion s14 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Houston, TX Age: 40 Posts: 713 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews

09-18-2013, 08:28 PM	#29
imotion s14 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Houston, TX Age: 40 Posts: 713 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Deconstructing Robert Kiyosaki - The Simple Dollar Robert Kiyosaki got rich by duping fools to buy his get rich quick books.

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