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yokotas13 · 12-03-2008, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silpena

they should be using a fan of some wort as an exhuast to pull over spray away so i doesnt all sit on the car and give dry spots. Usally these are cross draft type set up's. The best out there is a true down draft where u have a man hole under you car that sucks all of the fumes/over spray down under the car and recircualtes out. On the top fresh air is being sucked as an intake. Way cleaner job and less materials used. On a cross draft u start on the side away from where ever the exhaust is and on a down draft u can start from the roof down. There are semi-down drafts but those suck and u never really see those alot.

dude, we are talking about painting cars in front yards and shit.
not the thread to talk about booths.

but seriously. i wetsanded a fender, and its like nice and shiny and stuff

silpena · 12-03-2008, 03:17 AM

i know u are talking about outside painting and not inside a booth. The man asked and i gave him an answer. I do not approve outside since dirt and stuff will get in it and ur nieghbors shouldnt have to smell the fumes but i dont care its ur $ and car and area. If u like it then do it. I paint my cars in a great booth where i can paint and bake the car at 140 degrees in 20-40 min and drive the car away.... dont get me wrong i have painted outside but not too proud of it and it was only small things. NEver a full car. Id get arrested before i could finish a car lol.

u wetsanded the fender? just wetsanded it or you wetsanded then buff it out? buff it out and itll be shiny as hell . What did u clear coat it with? flatting agent in the clear?

yokotas13 · 12-03-2008, 04:16 AM

why the fuck would i use flatteners with flake?

you dont belong in this thread. this is for half assers that are one better than spraypaint

SochBAT · 12-03-2008, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yokotas13

this is for half assers that are one better than spraypaint

lol. all 2 of them.

yokotas13 · 12-03-2008, 04:41 AM

lol true....true that

DOOK · 12-03-2008, 06:40 AM

grant can I fly you here to paint shit?

ballinnmiami240sx · 12-03-2008, 08:26 AM

Harbor freight gun and a 27gal compressor.

*NemeGuero* · 12-03-2008, 09:40 AM

Hahahaha, he discovered the wheel all over again.

Really, who didn't know this?

norcal_black240 · 12-03-2008, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silpena

they should be using a fan of some wort as an exhuast to pull over spray away so i doesnt all sit on the car and give dry spots. Usally these are cross draft type set up's. The best out there is a true down draft where u have a man hole under you car that sucks all of the fumes/over spray down under the car and recircualtes out. On the top fresh air is being sucked as an intake. Way cleaner job and less materials used. On a cross draft u start on the side away from where ever the exhaust is and on a down draft u can start from the roof down. There are semi-down drafts but those suck and u never really see those alot.

My ghetto ass fan setup haha. Its better than nothing i guess...

*exitspeed* · 12-03-2008, 12:31 PM

Looks good Grant.

I agree.

Let's make 2009 Rattle Can Free!

silpena · 12-03-2008, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yokotas13

why the fuck would i use flatteners with flake?

you dont belong in this thread. this is for half assers that are one better than spraypaint

You wouldnt use a flatting agent in the flake or base coat you would use it in the clear coat. It flattens the clear coat to get it flat look and still the same characteristics of of regualr clear. Want sure by looking in ur pics if u were going for a flat look but i guess that was just a picture of the base coat with out the clear on my bad.

yeah i dont belong here

just trying to help but i guess ppl dont want it becuase i know my shit. Sorry i bothered to pop into this thread. Ill just stay out and let you guys do your thing.

Oh btw 8 coats of clear wont stay on well and it will chip of easily.

*NemeGuero* · 12-03-2008, 01:43 PM

EVERYONE STOP!!

If you do it right, it looks GOOD!

Can you believe it? WOW.

DUFFM4N · 12-03-2008, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NemeGuero

Hahahaha, he discovered the wheel all over again.

Really, who didn't know this?

seriously...

you act like your some pioneer of painting a car yourself in the front yard or garage

yokotas13 · 12-03-2008, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silpena

You wouldnt use a flatting agent in the flake or base coat you would use it in the clear coat. It flattens the clear coat to get it flat look and still the same characteristics of of regualr clear. Want sure by looking in ur pics if u were going for a flat look but i guess that was just a picture of the base coat with out the clear on my bad.

yeah i dont belong here

just trying to help but i guess ppl dont want it becuase i know my shit. Sorry i bothered to pop into this thread. Ill just stay out and let you guys do your thing.

Oh btw 8 coats of clear wont stay on well and it will chip of easily.

if you put a flattener in the clear you put the flake in, flake will be flattened

if it chips off...ill do it again. i really dont care lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by DUFFM4N

seriously...

you act like your some pioneer of painting a car yourself in the front yard or garage

prolly not, but apparently like 5 of us are. jesus

what it comes down to, is its something you can do yourself with decent results. you dont have to pay 1500-2000 for a paintjob if all you want is your car one color. besides, you can always use hte stuff you bought for impact guns, repaint your aero after you rip it off and get new stuff.

just be rattlecan free! im now a convert

dirtdiggler666 · 12-03-2008, 03:14 PM

i am going to try this soon i tired of paying people to do my shit

what psi do run?

do you use a water seperator ?

Matej · 12-03-2008, 03:20 PM

Personally I don't see how this rivals spraypainting a car. Of course it will look better, but that's because this is on a whole different level. If everyone was willing to spend 500$ on painting their car, everyone would at least have a Maaco paint job. The reason some settle for spraypaint is because it costs 20$.

Xandy Boosts · 12-03-2008, 03:36 PM

I have no place to put an air compressor

once I move to a place with my own garage, it will be the first thing I buy

norcal_black240 · 12-03-2008, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtdiggler666

i am going to try this soon i tired of paying people to do my shit

what psi do run?

do you use a water seperator ?

yes, use a water separator.

silpena · 12-03-2008, 03:42 PM

the flake wont flatten just the clear..... u cant change the flake but you can change the depth of it by flatting it. Oh why are u gonna do it again? isnt the point saving money in the long run and not spending 1200-2000? for about 800-1000(my own car) in materials i can do a car in show car status. Its not the materials that add up its the time and detail that makes its expensive. I can just scuff a car up with a fine scoth brite and a gallon single stage acrylic enamel and one gallon of cheap nason clear for like 240.00 and paint a car but it wont look great just shiny again.

to dirtdiggler..... first look at the gun your gonna use for the job and buy a compressor that match it. As for what psy to paint. use the paint msd's to the gun u are using to figure that out. Use a water separator/oil separator at the compressor and at the gun if ur having problems with moisture. Just drain ur tank every so often to remove the moisture in the tank.

dirtdiggler666 · 12-03-2008, 03:49 PM

cool thanks do you think i can use a 22 gal to paint bumpers and hoods?

yurisfriendevan · 12-03-2008, 03:52 PM

you can have good results doing this pretty much anywhere.

painted 3 stage over dirt with a 10 gallon compressor came out great.

the only reason i would ever rattle can a car is if it had body panels that were waaay off in color to the rest of the car.

You have to remember that most rattle cans are a lacquer and if you spray an enamel (automotive paint) over it, it will wrinkle. i charge more when cars come to me rattle canned, you gotta get it all off before you can spray it.

silpena · 12-03-2008, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yurisfriendevan

you can have good results doing this pretty much anywhere.

painted 3 stage over dirt with a 10 gallon compressor came out great.

the only reason i would ever rattle can a car is if it had body panels that were waaay off in color to the rest of the car.

You have to remember that most rattle cans are a lacquer and if you spray an enamel (automotive paint) over it, it will wrinkle. i charge more when cars come to me rattle canned, you gotta get it all off before you can spray it.

looks great man. I'm guessing it wasnt windy lol. Yeah i also never mess with rattled cars. I've seen ppl do that. I would use maybe sealer to save time i would just take all of the crap off and start over to get great finish.

a 22 gallon can work just make sure the gun can handle it. U dont want to be stopping every 20 seconds. For a hood u might run into trouble or get dry spots and heavy spots but like bumpers, side squirts and little pieces you'll be ok.

yurisfriendevan · 12-03-2008, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silpena

looks great man. I'm guessing it wasnt windy lol. Yeah i also never mess with rattled cars. I've seen ppl do that. I would use maybe sealer to save time i would just take all of the crap off and start over to get great finish.

a 22 gallon can work just make sure the gun can handle it. U dont want to be stopping every 20 seconds. For a hood u might run into trouble or get dry spots and heavy spots but like bumpers, side squirts and little pieces you'll be ok.

lol no it wasnt windy, but it was windy when i blended the trunk, i just covered the whole car in plastic and buffed out the little bits that landed in it when it was dry

yokotas13 · 12-03-2008, 06:53 PM

shit was windy when i painted my car. i had to stop it was so windy at one point. and it started drizzling at one point for liek 3 minutes as well

*!Zar!* · 12-03-2008, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtdiggler666

cool thanks do you think i can use a 22 gal to paint bumpers and hoods?

It's not so much how many gallons, but the ccf or whatever that is important.

Most of the cheaper ones can't flow fast enough for a quality job.

Or so I've heard.

DisEpyon · 12-03-2008, 07:38 PM

Looks sick Yokotas, great job. You need to hurry up and get that thing wet sanded and polished and waxed up for pics. want to see them.

Anyone try this with there car? not sure if this is expensive or not. (not my car just found it on another forum)

*Antihero983* · 12-03-2008, 07:41 PM

wait. grant has a car with poor fitment?

WTF? did someone divide by zero?

and yeah my rattle can job has lasted 3 years, but it'll be time for a legit paint job at some point.

SimpleSexy180 · 12-03-2008, 07:41 PM

ey ey, screw you and your compressor and paint.

im going to go rattle can my wheels now.

thanks grant.

silpena · 12-03-2008, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Zar!

It's not so much how many gallons, but the ccf or whatever that is important.

Most of the cheaper ones can't flow fast enough for a quality job.

Or so I've heard.

do u mean scfm? thats the true amount a compressor can flow at a given psi. Its not that can flow enough. Its the pump that can flow enough air at a continous psi without refilling or over load the motor or burning up the pump. Cheap ones just die or flow very little scfm. most hvlp guns run around 35-45psi.

punk138 · 12-03-2008, 09:51 PM

looks good!

when i painted my first car outside it came out shitty and got grass and dirt on the clear.

never again! ill use a garage next time.

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12-03-2008, 09:40 AM	#38
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12-03-2008, 03:17 AM	#32
silpena Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: LIVE OAK,CA Age: 34 Posts: 834 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	i know u are talking about outside painting and not inside a booth. The man asked and i gave him an answer. I do not approve outside since dirt and stuff will get in it and ur nieghbors shouldnt have to smell the fumes but i dont care its ur $ and car and area. If u like it then do it. I paint my cars in a great booth where i can paint and bake the car at 140 degrees in 20-40 min and drive the car away.... dont get me wrong i have painted outside but not too proud of it and it was only small things. NEver a full car. Id get arrested before i could finish a car lol. u wetsanded the fender? just wetsanded it or you wetsanded then buff it out? buff it out and itll be shiny as hell . What did u clear coat it with? flatting agent in the clear?

12-03-2008, 12:31 PM	#40
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12-03-2008, 01:43 PM	#42
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	EVERYONE STOP!! If you do it right, it looks GOOD! Can you believe it? WOW. __________________

12-03-2008, 03:14 PM	#45
dirtdiggler666 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: p-dale Age: 41 Posts: 2,113 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	i am going to try this soon i tired of paying people to do my shit what psi do run? do you use a water seperator ?

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Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Personally I don't see how this rivals spraypainting a car. Of course it will look better, but that's because this is on a whole different level. If everyone was willing to spend 500$ on painting their car, everyone would at least have a Maaco paint job. The reason some settle for spraypaint is because it costs 20$.

12-03-2008, 03:36 PM	#47
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12-03-2008, 03:42 PM	#49
silpena Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: LIVE OAK,CA Age: 34 Posts: 834 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	the flake wont flatten just the clear..... u cant change the flake but you can change the depth of it by flatting it. Oh why are u gonna do it again? isnt the point saving money in the long run and not spending 1200-2000? for about 800-1000(my own car) in materials i can do a car in show car status. Its not the materials that add up its the time and detail that makes its expensive. I can just scuff a car up with a fine scoth brite and a gallon single stage acrylic enamel and one gallon of cheap nason clear for like 240.00 and paint a car but it wont look great just shiny again. to dirtdiggler..... first look at the gun your gonna use for the job and buy a compressor that match it. As for what psy to paint. use the paint msd's to the gun u are using to figure that out. Use a water separator/oil separator at the compressor and at the gun if ur having problems with moisture. Just drain ur tank every so often to remove the moisture in the tank.

12-03-2008, 03:49 PM	#50
dirtdiggler666 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: p-dale Age: 41 Posts: 2,113 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	cool thanks do you think i can use a 22 gal to paint bumpers and hoods?

12-03-2008, 03:52 PM	#51
yurisfriendevan Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lancaster, CA Age: 36 Posts: 159 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	you can have good results doing this pretty much anywhere. painted 3 stage over dirt with a 10 gallon compressor came out great. the only reason i would ever rattle can a car is if it had body panels that were waaay off in color to the rest of the car. You have to remember that most rattle cans are a lacquer and if you spray an enamel (automotive paint) over it, it will wrinkle. i charge more when cars come to me rattle canned, you gotta get it all off before you can spray it.

12-03-2008, 06:53 PM	#54
yokotas13 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Milford, CT Age: 36 Posts: 10,519 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: yokotas13 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	shit was windy when i painted my car. i had to stop it was so windy at one point. and it started drizzling at one point for liek 3 minutes as well __________________ 2015 Subaru Outback Overlander - Wagonofdoom

12-03-2008, 07:38 PM	#56
DisEpyon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: ? Posts: 574 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Looks sick Yokotas, great job. You need to hurry up and get that thing wet sanded and polished and waxed up for pics. want to see them. Anyone try this with there car? not sure if this is expensive or not. (not my car just found it on another forum)

12-03-2008, 07:41 PM	#57
Antihero983 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilmanton, NH Age: 36 Posts: 4,403 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: Antihero983 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	wait. grant has a car with poor fitment? WTF? did someone divide by zero? and yeah my rattle can job has lasted 3 years, but it'll be time for a legit paint job at some point. __________________ "So here I am, right back at it again, just like I've always been"

12-03-2008, 07:41 PM	#58
SimpleSexy180 Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cal Posts: 4,750 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: SimpleSexy180 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	ey ey, screw you and your compressor and paint. im going to go rattle can my wheels now. thanks grant.

12-03-2008, 09:51 PM	#60
punk138 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: BroCal Posts: 602 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	looks good! when i painted my first car outside it came out shitty and got grass and dirt on the clear. never again! ill use a garage next time. __________________ yes we still roll fenders

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