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DriftSpecial180 · 03-05-2007, 06:15 PM

I have some work e-wing meshes that are 2 pieces. I want to do some clean up work on them because they're really dirty. Can i take off the face without dismounting the tires?

PICTURES ARE UP!!

S13-Silvia · 03-05-2007, 06:44 PM

Not sure if I'm right, but I think two piece wheels are made of the wheel barrel and the face welded to the barrel. So you would have to cut the welds which means yes, you would have to dismount the tires.

koukimonster139 · 03-05-2007, 06:46 PM

ROFL ^ if they are welded together they would be one piece.

if you take a 2 piece wheel apart the air comes out of the tire (for the most part)

S13-Silvia · 03-05-2007, 06:48 PM

Oh, guess I was wrong.

chmercer · 03-05-2007, 07:06 PM

error error

please why do people post in threads if they have no firsthand experience

two piece wheels can be made in various ways

more common with older style wheels (which your mesh probably is) the 2 piece design will be such that the front and rear barrels are welded together and the face is bolted in. these are the kind of wheels where you can flip the face and make a goofy low offset wheel etc. so yeah it is possible that you could remove the face without having any problems with the tire.

the other kind of 2 piece is where the face is welded to one of the barrels, and the other barrel unbolts. a lot of the newer works have the front lip and face welded together and the rear barrel unbolts.

lastly, a lot of wheels are called 2 piece where a wheel face is press fit into a barrel of a dissimilar metal.

for the OP, there is a good chance you can unbolt your wheel face and leave the tire on there and clean it out and put it back together, but dont blame me if your tire deflates cause i cant tell 100% without looking

thekidzkid · 03-05-2007, 09:28 PM

two piece wheels are bolted together and in between they have slicone, then u rub silicone around the outer seam to prevent any air loss

DriftSpecial180 · 03-05-2007, 11:16 PM

Mine have a flat lip (non-stepped) with TORX bolts around the edge. When i look into the wheel, there is an edge that goes around the barrel that the face mounts to.

AutoRnD · 03-06-2007, 12:46 AM

I believe your Ewings can have the face removed with the tires still mounted by what you described. Even if it were three piece in that formation you should be able to remove the faces like my Work Meister S1 3Pc. But I would suggest posting a photograph of the face and pad of the wheel. This way we're not all jumpin' to conclusions. I've seen so many wheels I can't keep my names straight anymore. A pic will be worth a thousand words.

I've seen 2 piece wheels made in various ways as chmercer stated.

1. Complete Barrel, with flange along inner perimeter to bolt face to. = 2 pcs
i.e. Volk GT Series wheels for the most part, or the Enkei RPF1-RC, etc...
This type you can remove the face with the tire still mounted. Now there are exceptions. This is a basic guideline with some examples of wheels.

2. Complete Barrel with face welded to barrel,
i.e. Meister S1 2 piece, AME's
Can't remove face without exorbant amounts of money.

3. Weirdest one yet is on my Work Termist S1C's, meister look alike. lolz...
This wheel has a spun outer barrel, but the inner barrel is from a cast mold that has the face as part of it. So basically the inner barrel and face are one piece, then the outer barrel gets bolted to that. Now this one you MUST remove the tire.

DriftSpecial180 · 03-06-2007, 12:48 AM

I'll try to get a pic tomorrow, thanks for the help boys

DriftSpecial180 · 03-06-2007, 12:22 PM

Alright here's the pics.

Here's the whole wheel:

You can see how the face mounts the inner diameter lip

This gap between theface and lip leads me to believe the face come off as a separate piece

Back of the wheel

DriftSpecial180 · 03-06-2007, 06:01 PM

Alright guys, hope those help

joecar · 03-06-2007, 08:40 PM

they kinda look like old work ewings

koukimonster139 · 03-06-2007, 08:42 PM

lol joecar u moron read the first post.

and yes those wheels come apart by taking the screws out

DJ_Sunrise · 03-06-2007, 11:57 PM

from experience.. 3 piece wheels.. in laymans terms or watever.. the "face" of the wheel is piece numero uno and can be removed seperately, as long as the tire is deflated completely.. once you screw the bolts back in, reinflate.. and the seal will be fine. the remaining 2 pieces are joined together with silicone, but the "face" is what holds the two together, using nuts bolts. 2 piece.. theres the "outer wheel" and the face, held in by bolts.. so yes.. you should be fine.. just deflate the tires, it'll make them lighter ;-) lmao. no.. but seriously.. the "face" should be attached to the rest of the wheel.. if yall want to see pictures of what 3 piece wheels look like assembled, and dissassembled lemme know... oh yea almost forgot.. for all yall 3 piece guys.. me included, with my 3 piece 17" starks and 3 piece 18" simmons

*baller*.. everytime you dismount the tire, INSPECT THE SILICONE SEAL, and every so often.. RE SEAL THE WHEELS WITH FRESH SILICONE AND ROUTINELY CHECK TO MAKE CERTAIN ALL BOLTS ARE TORQUED TO FACTORY SPEC. this isnt always necassary.. but ive seen 3 piece wheels that have litteraly fallen apart due to poor upkeep.. go on the supra forums, you'll see what i mean :*( seems to happen every so often.. protect your wheels, protect your baller cars.. check yo shit!!!

-Bart

DriftSpecial180 · 03-07-2007, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecar

they kinda look like old work ewings

Hahahaha. that helps a lot

AutoRnD · 03-09-2007, 12:41 PM

I don't believe you will need to deflate the tires if you know in fact that this is a two piece wheel. Even if three piece you should be able to remove the face without taking off the tire. But removing that tire would be cheap so do it anyways.

Rishie

DriftSpecial180 · 03-09-2007, 01:21 PM

I did two. They look very good. A friend and i stripped them down to silver metal and applied some wheel clear coat. I'm very impressed with the way they turned out and i'm gonna finish the other two on my next day off.

GoodOl'S13 · 03-09-2007, 01:59 PM

did you polish the inner barrel, post pics sounds like a fun project

DriftSpecial180 · 03-09-2007, 02:55 PM

Yeah, i did polish them up a little. I'll try to get some pics ASAP

*MELLO*SOS* · 03-09-2007, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ_Sunrise

RE SEAL THE WHEELS WITH FRESH SILICONE AND ROUTINELY CHECK TO MAKE CERTAIN ALL BOLTS ARE TORQUED TO FACTORY SPEC.

Factory spec torque listings would be found where? I have some SSR/Hasemi S5's that are (apparently) 3 peice that I'd like to disassemble for refinishing; but I wasn't sure what torque to use when reassembling... So, beat up and in-action they remain until I find this info. Thanks

2iv0 sx · 03-09-2007, 03:55 PM

Would be dope if you had the center caps.

I wanna stripe my meshies also, btw what kinda paint stripe did you use?

chmercer · 03-09-2007, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mello88

Factory spec torque listings would be found where? I have some SSR/Hasemi S5's that are (apparently) 3 peice that I'd like to disassemble for refinishing; but I wasn't sure what torque to use when reassembling... So, beat up and in-action they remain until I find this info. Thanks

hand tight or like 15 pounds if you really want to get anal about it

DJ_Sunrise · 03-09-2007, 04:09 PM

I have 3 piece starks.. stark ceased to exist late 90s, so you can imagine i had a fun time finding out the specs

eventually i found out work made them, and a while later through email they told me the factory specs.. i would try to email both SSR and Hasemi Sport to find out the exact specs, just to be safe.. like ive said before, ive seen 3 piece wheels come apart before = not fun, so do it just to be on the safe side.

i cant remember exactly what mine were torqued to, but i was able to remove, and tighten the factory stark nut and bolt with 2 3/8" ratchets.. so tq couldnt have been too high.. in comparison i have simmons 3 piece wheels which use less nuts and bolts.. tq would probably be much higher. hmm..

-Bart

DriftSpecial180 · 03-10-2007, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2iv0 sx

Would be dope if you had the center caps.

I wanna stripe my meshies also, btw what kinda paint stripe did you use?

I used Jasco. Best part was, i just bought a huge jug and poured it in a big storage container (big enough to fit a 16" wheel face). Then just let the face sit in there, damn it was sweet victory.

babowc · 03-10-2007, 04:51 PM

picssss!!
msglngth~!!!

karlspackler · 07-14-2007, 04:48 PM

Bump this old thread.

I have the same wheels and have the bolts out but for the life of me cannot get the face to come off.

I have alot of experiece with 3 piece wheels (BBS RS and RF) but these bolt together different. My last set of RF's I built with Kodiak shells and the lip was attached ON TOP of the face but these are the opposite.

Please help

James

karlspackler · 07-14-2007, 04:51 PM

Also, these look to me to be 3 piece..... anyone know?

Here is a pic of mine:

16x7 et19
16x8 et8

BMW Bolt pattern (That is what I have)

BBS Forged 3 Piece in the background

karlspackler · 07-15-2007, 11:52 AM

up to the top

chmercer · 07-15-2007, 12:06 PM

what are you asking

take the bolts out and bang on it with a rubber mallet

dont bump stuff

Pank · 07-16-2007, 03:07 PM

what chmercer said, or take a piece of wood and put it on the center and use a normal hammer to tap the wood to tap it out.

03-05-2007, 06:15 PM	#1
DriftSpecial180 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: OC, CA Posts: 664 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	2 piece wheel question I have some work e-wing meshes that are 2 pieces. I want to do some clean up work on them because they're really dirty. Can i take off the face without dismounting the tires? PICTURES ARE UP!! __________________ Creator of the "DIY Miracle X-Brace" Last edited by DriftSpecial180; 03-06-2007 at 05:58 PM..

03-05-2007, 06:46 PM	#3
koukimonster139 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 34 Posts: 1,379 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ROFL ^ if they are welded together they would be one piece. if you take a 2 piece wheel apart the air comes out of the tire (for the most part) __________________ ho ha ho chi chi

03-05-2007, 11:16 PM	#7
DriftSpecial180 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: OC, CA Posts: 664 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Mine have a flat lip (non-stepped) with TORX bolts around the edge. When i look into the wheel, there is an edge that goes around the barrel that the face mounts to. __________________ Creator of the "DIY Miracle X-Brace"

03-06-2007, 12:46 AM	#8
AutoRnD Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SF BAY AREA, CA Posts: 2,601 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: AutoRnD Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I believe your Ewings can have the face removed with the tires still mounted by what you described. Even if it were three piece in that formation you should be able to remove the faces like my Work Meister S1 3Pc. But I would suggest posting a photograph of the face and pad of the wheel. This way we're not all jumpin' to conclusions. I've seen so many wheels I can't keep my names straight anymore. A pic will be worth a thousand words. I've seen 2 piece wheels made in various ways as chmercer stated. 1. Complete Barrel, with flange along inner perimeter to bolt face to. = 2 pcs i.e. Volk GT Series wheels for the most part, or the Enkei RPF1-RC, etc... This type you can remove the face with the tire still mounted. Now there are exceptions. This is a basic guideline with some examples of wheels. 2. Complete Barrel with face welded to barrel, i.e. Meister S1 2 piece, AME's Can't remove face without exorbant amounts of money. 3. Weirdest one yet is on my Work Termist S1C's, meister look alike. lolz... This wheel has a spun outer barrel, but the inner barrel is from a cast mold that has the face as part of it. So basically the inner barrel and face are one piece, then the outer barrel gets bolted to that. Now this one you MUST remove the tire. __________________ www.AutoRnD.com Nardi, Enkei, Stance, AME Master Distributors for USA Check Out Our Facebook!

03-06-2007, 12:48 AM	#9
DriftSpecial180 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: OC, CA Posts: 664 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'll try to get a pic tomorrow, thanks for the help boys __________________ Creator of the "DIY Miracle X-Brace"

03-05-2007, 06:44 PM	#2
S13-Silvia Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: TN Posts: 211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Not sure if I'm right, but I think two piece wheels are made of the wheel barrel and the face welded to the barrel. So you would have to cut the welds which means yes, you would have to dismount the tires.

03-05-2007, 06:48 PM	#4
S13-Silvia Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: TN Posts: 211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Oh, guess I was wrong.

03-05-2007, 07:06 PM	#5
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 35 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	error error please why do people post in threads if they have no firsthand experience two piece wheels can be made in various ways more common with older style wheels (which your mesh probably is) the 2 piece design will be such that the front and rear barrels are welded together and the face is bolted in. these are the kind of wheels where you can flip the face and make a goofy low offset wheel etc. so yeah it is possible that you could remove the face without having any problems with the tire. the other kind of 2 piece is where the face is welded to one of the barrels, and the other barrel unbolts. a lot of the newer works have the front lip and face welded together and the rear barrel unbolts. lastly, a lot of wheels are called 2 piece where a wheel face is press fit into a barrel of a dissimilar metal. for the OP, there is a good chance you can unbolt your wheel face and leave the tire on there and clean it out and put it back together, but dont blame me if your tire deflates cause i cant tell 100% without looking

03-05-2007, 09:28 PM	#6
thekidzkid Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: connecticut Age: 38 Posts: 14 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	two piece wheels are bolted together and in between they have slicone, then u rub silicone around the outer seam to prevent any air loss

03-06-2007, 12:22 PM	#10
DriftSpecial180 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: OC, CA Posts: 664 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Alright here's the pics. Here's the whole wheel: You can see how the face mounts the inner diameter lip This gap between theface and lip leads me to believe the face come off as a separate piece Back of the wheel __________________ Creator of the "DIY Miracle X-Brace"

03-06-2007, 06:01 PM	#11
DriftSpecial180 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: OC, CA Posts: 664 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Alright guys, hope those help __________________ Creator of the "DIY Miracle X-Brace"

03-06-2007, 08:40 PM	#12
joecar Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2005 Location: MA Posts: 318 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: joecar Feedback Score: 7 reviews	they kinda look like old work ewings __________________ drift faction

03-06-2007, 08:42 PM	#13
koukimonster139 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 34 Posts: 1,379 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	lol joecar u moron read the first post. and yes those wheels come apart by taking the screws out __________________ ho ha ho chi chi

03-06-2007, 11:57 PM	#14
DJ_Sunrise Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NJ Age: 34 Posts: 1,134 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	from experience.. 3 piece wheels.. in laymans terms or watever.. the "face" of the wheel is piece numero uno and can be removed seperately, as long as the tire is deflated completely.. once you screw the bolts back in, reinflate.. and the seal will be fine. the remaining 2 pieces are joined together with silicone, but the "face" is what holds the two together, using nuts bolts. 2 piece.. theres the "outer wheel" and the face, held in by bolts.. so yes.. you should be fine.. just deflate the tires, it'll make them lighter ;-) lmao. no.. but seriously.. the "face" should be attached to the rest of the wheel.. if yall want to see pictures of what 3 piece wheels look like assembled, and dissassembled lemme know... oh yea almost forgot.. for all yall 3 piece guys.. me included, with my 3 piece 17" starks and 3 piece 18" simmons baller.. everytime you dismount the tire, INSPECT THE SILICONE SEAL, and every so often.. RE SEAL THE WHEELS WITH FRESH SILICONE AND ROUTINELY CHECK TO MAKE CERTAIN ALL BOLTS ARE TORQUED TO FACTORY SPEC. this isnt always necassary.. but ive seen 3 piece wheels that have litteraly fallen apart due to poor upkeep.. go on the supra forums, you'll see what i mean :*( seems to happen every so often.. protect your wheels, protect your baller cars.. check yo shit!!! -Bart

03-09-2007, 12:41 PM	#16
AutoRnD Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SF BAY AREA, CA Posts: 2,601 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: AutoRnD Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I don't believe you will need to deflate the tires if you know in fact that this is a two piece wheel. Even if three piece you should be able to remove the face without taking off the tire. But removing that tire would be cheap so do it anyways. Rishie __________________ www.AutoRnD.com Nardi, Enkei, Stance, AME Master Distributors for USA Check Out Our Facebook!

03-09-2007, 01:21 PM	#17
DriftSpecial180 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: OC, CA Posts: 664 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I did two. They look very good. A friend and i stripped them down to silver metal and applied some wheel clear coat. I'm very impressed with the way they turned out and i'm gonna finish the other two on my next day off. __________________ Creator of the "DIY Miracle X-Brace"

03-09-2007, 01:59 PM	#18
GoodOl'S13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: So Cal Posts: 937 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	did you polish the inner barrel, post pics sounds like a fun project

03-09-2007, 02:55 PM	#19
DriftSpecial180 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: OC, CA Posts: 664 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, i did polish them up a little. I'll try to get some pics ASAP __________________ Creator of the "DIY Miracle X-Brace"

03-09-2007, 03:55 PM	#21
2iv0 sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lng Bch Calfna Posts: 1,442 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	Would be dope if you had the center caps. I wanna stripe my meshies also, btw what kinda paint stripe did you use?

03-09-2007, 04:09 PM	#23
DJ_Sunrise Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NJ Age: 34 Posts: 1,134 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I have 3 piece starks.. stark ceased to exist late 90s, so you can imagine i had a fun time finding out the specs eventually i found out work made them, and a while later through email they told me the factory specs.. i would try to email both SSR and Hasemi Sport to find out the exact specs, just to be safe.. like ive said before, ive seen 3 piece wheels come apart before = not fun, so do it just to be on the safe side. i cant remember exactly what mine were torqued to, but i was able to remove, and tighten the factory stark nut and bolt with 2 3/8" ratchets.. so tq couldnt have been too high.. in comparison i have simmons 3 piece wheels which use less nuts and bolts.. tq would probably be much higher. hmm.. -Bart

03-10-2007, 04:51 PM	#25
babowc Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: G.NET Posts: 2,659 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	picssss!! msglngth~!!!

07-14-2007, 04:48 PM	#26
karlspackler Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The mountains Age: 36 Posts: 228 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Bump this old thread. I have the same wheels and have the bolts out but for the life of me cannot get the face to come off. I have alot of experiece with 3 piece wheels (BBS RS and RF) but these bolt together different. My last set of RF's I built with Kodiak shells and the lip was attached ON TOP of the face but these are the opposite. Please help James

07-14-2007, 04:51 PM	#27
karlspackler Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The mountains Age: 36 Posts: 228 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Also, these look to me to be 3 piece..... anyone know? Here is a pic of mine: 16x7 et19 16x8 et8 BMW Bolt pattern (That is what I have) BBS Forged 3 Piece in the background

07-15-2007, 11:52 AM	#28
karlspackler Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The mountains Age: 36 Posts: 228 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	up to the top

07-15-2007, 12:06 PM	#29
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 35 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what are you asking take the bolts out and bang on it with a rubber mallet dont bump stuff

07-16-2007, 03:07 PM	#30
Pank Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 38 Posts: 3,627 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what chmercer said, or take a piece of wood and put it on the center and use a normal hammer to tap the wood to tap it out. __________________ high performance driveway photography zenki s14---v8 fc rx7 my crappy flickr page (drift cars whoo)

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