Gnnr

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup...new-york-state

There is footage online which I'm sure you can find.

The driver that was killed ran out on the track in what seems to be an attempt to confront Stewart while cars are still racing and flying by!

This tragic event could have been avoided.

1. The driver should not have ran out of his car and ran towards the racing vehicles.
2. He should not have tried to physically confront, especially during the race, another driver. I really don't get this hockey type of mentality that I frequently see in NASCAR where drivers want to get in a fist fight.
3. The ASCS which governs Sprint Car racing should implement a yellow flag system because cars where flying by a wreck and while a driver was out of his vehicle. I don't follow this series but if that system is in place its not being properly executed. Its possible better lighting needs to be used if they are to continue with night racing to make it safer. Either way the ASCS will need to address this.

The reason I am posting this is because there are people claiming this was manslaughter, which I just don't think this incident warrants such a sentence.

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J3123MY

What did he expect to happen when he ran onto a racetrack with cars traveling fast as fuck.

Definitely not manslaughter.

Bushido

shitty situation, but the dude that died really shouldn't have gotten out of his car and attempt to call out another driver headed towards him...

heat of the moment i guess. RIP

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simmode1

That's terrible. That's also Darwinism. Smh. RIP.

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LEG1T

i love Tony Stewart.

However. With all of his experience in racing, i find it hard to believe that we he did was NOT intentional. I do believe that he may have let the best of his known temper get the best of him.

There was word saying that Stewart pinned the throttle of his car causing the backend fishtail and hit the guy. If this is proven true, It's pretty clear to me what his intentions were. I find it extremely hard to believe that a racer of his caliber did not see this guy standing on the track.

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ZenkiKid

Agreed. He clearly swerved towards the guy.

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Goddamn! Tony drift assassinated that kid.

gbaby2089

Tony Stewart has done that himself, multiple times.

unwtdhero

Man this is gut wrenching to watch, i feel sorry for both parties.
They should remove the video, just out of respect.

tricky_ab

Wow that's gross.

The driver was an idiot for running in the middle of the track (yes im aware this iis fairly common for drivers who are pissed after a crash). However that in no way lets Stewart of the hook for what it looks like as a clear attempt to hit him.

Doesn't help his case either that Stewart is a known asshole.

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HyperTek

Oval racing needs to put a heavy fine on drivers who step onto the track like that.. You wouldnt see shit like that in any FIA racing series today.

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Gnnr

The only video currently out there is terrible footage. The sound you hear is not Tony's car revving, its the blue and white car that passed by. Regardless using sound to judge what was going on is pretty inaccurate.

Unless there is on board footage of Tony's car or telemetry data showing he intentionally accelerated and steered towards the driver you can not make such a statement.

Not sure if this racing series uses such things.

Additionally, it is common sense that if a race is happening cars are expected to be accelerating and since there is no marshall near the vehicle waiving a yellow caution flag I don't see how the driver's are supposed to know a driver in a black jumpsuit has gotten out of his vehicle in a dimly lit track running towards the racing path.

If you have a history of speeding tickets and you are known to have a temper it does not mean you should be charged with manslaughter if a person jumps out in front of your vehicle while you are on the highway.

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HyperTek

good point gnnr. There wouldnt be much reason for Stewart to be heated at the time, to intentionally hit someone out of their car. In the heat of competition, i can imagine, but after the other guy already went into the wall, there shouldn't be much reason to still be pissed about .

The kid intentionally stepped onto the track, into the race line.

You dont see this shit in f1. Sure accidents happen, but they investigate the accidents to determine if any driver was at fault, than would take action, with race penalties, fines or race bans etc. American oval racing, i dont know if they do, but they need to place strict rules to that. Of course though Im sure it all floats and gives people something to watch/attract to races.

In f1, if stewart caused another person to crash, he would get penalized etc.

Edit: I seen another comment on a facebook post, that drivers probably cant see to their right with that big low dropping vertical wing

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silviasandbeer

after kevin got hit MOST people we screaming in fear and panic and concern

but i did hear one lady scream almost in a tone of amusement and excitement.. at 0:49 mark
who gets excited by this kind of shit

stupid "sport" attracts stupid fans

doubt there will be much of an investigation since tony stewart is a god to nascar and such.
if it was the other way around people would rally and demand answers and justice!

"HE KILLED OUR TONY STEWART!!! DEY TOooK OuurR JeRRBS!!!"

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tricky_ab

For me, Tony's history of aggression makes me less inclined to believe he is blameless, even if most of the blame falls on the driver who got out of the car.

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red92ka

Seriously doubt it was intentional. Looks kinda like Stewart swerved toward him, to kinda scare him. Didn't realize he'd scare him to death I guess.

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My gut says Tony tried to shoot dirt at the kid, fucked up and killed him. No proof and the kid shouldn't have stepped out of his car.

HyperTek

i just dont think that was a big enough race/prize for Tony to be aggressive about it. Obviously this race meant more to the kid than it would have to Tony since this seems like such a small race compared to the big-time events he runs in.

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kingkilburn

Sprint cars have to be on throttle to be/get low on the bank. Tony was close to him because he slowed for the accident. He fishtailed when he got back on it to get lower on the oval. . . . Then the jackass ran towards him.

The only person at fault is the guy that left his vehicle and didn't book it for the wall.

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TMW

dont wont to go off topic with this thread, but this is why f1 is so boring lol

and about the incident, its definitely quite a tragedy.

i think tony just tried to scare/intimidate him by driving close, but just got a little too close and a little too much throttle. but i dont really know anything about driving sprint cars, so i could be wrong. just going on what ive read and the video. apparently they are pretty counter intuitive and difficult to control. i dont think tony intentionally tried to hit him though.

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KiLLeR2001

Yep, pretty simple case to dissect. Dude gets pissed and runs out at Tony, Tony wanted to scare him shitless by slinging dirt all up on his grille. Guy kept closing in on Tony's car and by the time Tony realized there was going to be a collision it was too late.

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AFSil80

The car in front of Tony almost hit him...I'd be surprised if Tony even saw him.

20 y/o kid filled with piss and vinegar, trying to show up a superstar sounds more like what went wrong here...

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zeitgeist

Ive swerved/hit deer going 60+. It's perfectly reasonable in my mind to see this kid getting ran over when Stewart is going faster and focused on other drivers

Sucks for his parents, knowing their son went out in a pretty idiotic manner

exitspeed

You did that on a dirt track in the middle of a bank in a sprint car sideways?

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RalliartRsX

Quoted for truth!

It's funny, alot of the people commenting on the fact that Tony is trying to throw up dirt has never even been to a dirt track or even realize just how DIFFICULT it is to see out the front much less side of these things.

Example below of what I referring to and the terrible visibility



Typical media and shity reporting..........And all the sudden Race Car Experts!

RalliartRsX

In addtion, dimly lit track, wearing a full black suit, jumping out of your CAR and running to the racing line while a race (albeit, probably under caution) is still in progress, almost being hit by the car directly infront of Tony.........

No one seems to want to mention all the actions which led up to Tony hitting the guy.

Not standing up for Tony or saying he has a perfect track record (which he doesn't) or even saying he did it intentionally or not. But Ward should have NEVER left his car........ but no one seems to pay attention to facts, just pure emotion and sensationalism!

Perfect storm scenario in my opinion. From what I understand, those cars are driven via the throttle, so for all we know, if Tony did hit the gas, he could be potentially doing it to "steer" (this is for the people who said he "goosed" it........) the vehicle (the right side rear tire is almost twice the width of the left side rear tire).

No one knows.......

Frank_Jaeger

It's entirely possible the woman who screamed in "amusement" wasn't aware that someone got ran over. I did notice that too though.

xoxide

So does anyone on here actually have Sprint car experience, hell dirt experience at all?

Well I do.... In fact I raced a sprint car Saturday....


First off, the ASCS is not the sanctioning body for sprintcar racing. It is a championship series, one of the many across the US.
- There are yellow flag systems in effect just as there are any other racing series... have you ever tried to slow down a 700hp 1200lb car in one lap? Im sure you haven't.... If you slam on the brakes you will stall... they are direct drive cars and need to be going atleast 35-40 in order to not stall out.

Second, you CANNOT see out of the right side of the car because of the way the side panel and seats are designed. You can see your right front, but past that you do not see....


We wont even discuss the fact the kid was in a black suit, black helmet, on a dark track....


Another point id like to raise
- Sprintcars have staggered tire setups.... if you let off the gas you will slide up the track, its inevitable going slow.. They pull and pull hard... If you hit the brakes, the ass end is going to slide up... In which case, the kid would've gotten smacked...
If you blip the throttle, the ass end will come around a bit, but it will suck you back down to the bottom of the track... which is what tony was doing....

The kid almost got ran over by the blue/white car as well....

I can keep going but I really don't think I need to.... Unless you actually have experience driving a dirt sprint car, you opinion is as INVALID as it gets because they are NOTHING like driving a passenger car, drift car, etc.

AFSil80

Yeah, most people don't realize the thing about banked turns is that if you slam on the brakes, you shoot to the outside of the turn...you don't magically slide down towards the inside.

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xoxide

But fuck logic.... ive never heard of sprint car racing before Saturday but suddenly im an expert on how they handle... Tonys guilty!


Comeon now people... Shut the fuck up if you don't know.