zspturbo

if we took all the money we spent on the war, and gave it to teachers, they wouldnt be underpayed anymore. bush sucks my dick soooooo deep in his throat. I hate that speaking puddle of diarea.

SR240DET

who cares about elementary, middle, and high school.... these are the most bad ass times of my life...... from macaroni picture making.... to shrooming... and drinking with my best friends.... and tuning the cars we love….. i love how it is now.... they dont care..... they just pass you anyways.... unless your talking about college.... then never mind...

SilviaNinja240

or if Bush bought an SR for every American citizen... that would be pretty nice too

mrmephistopheles

Child. Don't speak of things you do not and cannot understand.
Your crude insolence is ineffectual and pointless. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Please, at least have a firm grip on reality as an adult before you try to speak as though you are one.
As far as President Bush is concerned: If you don't like him, vote for someone else in the next election.. oh wait.. I forgot that you can't. I guess there's a reason for that, now isn't there?

Titan

That's quite ignorant.

Who cares? How about us smart kids that are going to university and need good teaching? Don't care you say?

If it wasn't for good teachers, we wouldn't have good students. If it wasn't for good students, we wouldn't have engineers. And if it wasn't for engineers, your ass would be on the back of a horse instead of a 240.

I don't bust my ass to get 90%'s in school just so some drug abusing punk, such as yourself, can cruise by and pass.

Point is, we need good teachers to educate the masses, rather then let everyone breeze by. We have enough stoners working at Mickey D's, Wal-Mart, and Pep Boys... thank you.

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I'd argue with this guy, but he's a perfect example of how our education system really isn't working. Luckily he has decided to pin the blame on President Bush instead of his own dumbass self

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Maybe you should ask yourself why you have to "bust your ass" to get that 90% while other people can get that same grade while they're stoned

syco3d

Some people shouldn't be allowed unrestricted access to their brain. This is a shining example.

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Kreator

Ans what is the reason you have to bust your ass to get 90% in school? I had a solid 3.14 GPA in school in 11th and 12th grade with total of 6 AP courses taken and i NEVER read a single textbook chapter.

As for "How about us smart kids that are going to university and need good teaching", the good students school teachers themselves. I was 12 in 9th grade taking Algebra II w/analysis with all the 17 year old seniors and i was asking the teacher questions she can't answer and all those seniors couldn't understand. A teacher failed a student in the AP Comp Sci class just cuz another student (who was considered really smart) told him that student was cheating from what he saw in his and some other person's code. You call that good education? I call it an excuse of an education. American HS education is the worst i've seen so far. And getting the unemployed teachers back in classes won't help much. Get the college professors there and it'll be much better.... but then it'll be exactly what colleges are.

As for he original topic, that's really childish. I didn't really support Bush either, but your comment is pretty lame.

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zspturbo

yeah, the sophomore in trig is the idiot

Titan

Oh I'm sorry, perhaps I don't grasp subjects as easily as you. And 3.14 isn't a 90%. I could get a 3.14 without cracking open a book as well.

When did I say the current or previous system was good? This is exactly why we need more money in the school system.

I agree money wouldn't solve everything, but it's a start.

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Hey man, all you gotta do is look at your post to see how intelligent you are. Just because you're a year ahead in math doesn't mean anything. I was taking 11/12 grade math in 8th grade and I never considered myself anything above average because the classes you take mean nothing. The fact is that even if you get 4.0s your whole life, all that means is that you're good at reading material and then repeating it on tests. I know plenty of people who have incredible grades in school but when it comes to the real world they are completely clueless.

Kreator

Hey, i'm not trying to imply that u aren't smart or anything like that. All i'm saying is that i was grasping all the stuff the teachers were saying right there. And not because i'm smart, but because american hs system is based to teach [edit] err ppl [/edit] that can't get past 2.0 gpa even if they tried and the teachers have to explain everything 20 times before they finally get it. If i just stayed at home and read a book couple hours a day, i might've actually gotten farther then going to school every day. But i'm lazy. And i have an excuse for my 3.14 GPA as that was my second-third year in US (9,11,12th grades in US, 10th grade outside US) and so my english sucked (as in english cl***es brought GPA down).

And so what i'm trying to imply here, is that if you give schools more money, they'll get more supplies, more teachers, better computers, better safety equipment, expand buildings.... but they are still going to be teaching same old BS targeted towards 2.0 GPA ppl.

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thats very stupid because the only purpose of education is to teach to develop the mind to deal with reality-by learning to think, understand, an MOST importantly acquire further knowledge on our own. Something a lot people need instead of just going with what other people tell them, and example is how people beleive in what presidents say.

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Bliss

The first post was a foolish way to put it, but who here thinks more money SHOULDN'T be put in the education system? I'm a senior in high school taking a chemistry class that is a half year long. For this half year class, we have a total of 63 CENTS per student! Now, lets do some math: 63 cents x 30 students = 1890 cents = $18.90. $18.90 for 30 students in a CHEMISTRY class (where we usually do around 2 or 3 labs, using expensive chemicals, a week). Now, where some money? How about this one: When I was a sophomore, my school began construction on a new wing. It was to be where all of the science classes were going to be, as well as various other classes. In the two chemistry classrooms, the chemical exhausts were left out becuase they were too costly. Instead, cement walls were put up. Now, to have a legal chemical storage, you have to have an exhaust. What's to happen? Because people were cutting money spending, they have to take down two cement walls and put up the exhausts, which will cost even more. In addition to these problems, all of the counselors at my school are going to be let go after this school year.

Now, I know these things are directly related to the war, there is much more, but American education is garbage? Puh-leeze. Those with the dedication to learn will do so, and it won't just be regurgitation of information. Any of you who said so need to spend some time in a high school class room. If you want to learn, you can. If you don't, you don't. Is it the American education system's responsibility to make every student learn? No. Try American parents/guardians.

sorry I went on so many different tangents there, i just got worked up and lost sight of what i was talking about.

Kreator

Ok, so imagine they did fix that gas exhaust crap. And you can now mix water with salt and see salt dissolve. OMG so exciting!!! Dayum, chemistry must be the shit...... i took honors chemistry in 9th and i took ap chemistry in 11th grade.... i haven't touched/opened a chemistry book since then. At any rate, chem requires prolly the most maintenance of all the classes they teach at high school... along maybe with comp sci, but with comp sci you can keep the computers fairly old. It's just that not so many ppl that take chem as their major in college. So you could live w/o it. And its ofcourse a good thing to spend some money on remodelling the chem labs, but they still teach you to dissolve salt in water.

And i guess u didn't catch my drift..... i was not implying that you can't learn in american system. i was arguing that the way american system is designed currently is to teach the average joe how to add stuff so he could work as a cashier at homedepot or something. That leaves the smarter kids bored to hell. I mean take those math classes. They give you 40 problems that work the exact same way, you just need to plug in different constants. And an example is given in the book. WTF is this? Writing class?

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Are you questioning what I'm saying about people I know? What the hell is wrong with you? Quit pushing your political agenda and yelling about how we can't trust the president. No one wants to hear your worn out complaints about the war. The education system has needed money for a long ass time and that's a fact. How are people gonna go and blame it on Bush going to war all of a sudden?

nocomedown

sure, education is important, but national defense should always be the #1 priority. it would cost a hell of alot more to clean up another mess like the one from the attacks on the WTC than it costs to wage a war that doesnt even last a month.
instead of cutting spending on national defense to increase teachers' salaries, how bout cutting spending on the useless programs that so many government officials spend billions on each year? like Robert Byrd building huge highways out in the middle of nowhere in West Virginia just so he can name them after himself...or him spending millions to build a replica of the majority leader's office since democrats no longer hold the majority? or maybe we should stop sending $500,000 a year to the international coffee federation.
i dont know how coherent this post will appear to be cuz its 2:15 in the morning, but i think people need to do some research on the natioanl budget before they go around bashing informed decisions that the government makes.

oh, btw, i have about a 3.8 GPA, taking all AP classes, got a 1400 on my first try on the SAT and a 33 on my first try on the ACT and i never open a book or study for any of my classes. few teachers teach to help people understand concepts, they only care about getting students to pass those laughable state mandated standardized tests. they teach their students the minimum required amount of material.

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nrcooled

FYI Highschool means nothing
The petty arugments, high grades, popularity, etc. means not a single thing after Highschool

Do you think when you get into college anyone asks what your SATs or ACTs were. Do you think they give a sh1t about you GPA, NO

Get good enough grades to get into college but develop good study habits and your set.

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Titan

Umm... except the fact that you NEED high grades to get into a good university/college. So high grades DO matter.

I agree, after you get accepted, they mean nothing, but before you do, they mean everything.

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I didn't even say anything about war, but now that you mentioned it doesn't take half second of thinking to know that "we gonna disarm Iraq" and "we're gonna liberate Iraq" are BULL****. and I will say it again, [I know plenty of people who have incredible grades in school but when it comes to the real world they are completely clueless.] smarter people understand and integrate better so you're comment is very stupid.

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It just never ends with you does it? You will continue to talk shit about Republicans and Bush while you have no other ideas of what to do. It's impossible to argue with someone who doesn't see it necessary to have their responses make sense, so I'm not gonna bother. Just remember that if you take your country for granted too much, she'll come back and bite you in the ass one day

Bliss

Kreator, high school classes are designed to get you the bare minimum. If you are smarter and want to go beyond, you can take college classes, while still in high school.

and i got off on another thread about the gas exhaust. my point started out being we had 63 cents per student for a semester in a Chemistry class. And if all you got out of a chemistry class was how to dissolve water, that reflects more on you, not the system. Who's going to open a chemistry book after they take a chem class? Not many. High school isn't about studying just one subject. Its more about finding out what you like/dislike so you can do what you like in college (assuming you choose to attend). And to get the hang of a subject, especially chemistry, you need more than 63 cents per student.

Jim96SC2

.63 cents per student, hardly. At least not in my district. I'm all for spending LESS on those little bastards then we are now. WHY? Well heres the story. I went to private school and we had a tuition of 4500/student. Figure after donations and stuff things came to 5,000/student overall. We managed to get some quality education far in excess of what my local schools were offering. How much does it come to after taxes for public school: ~7-8,000/student (taxes / students).

Their honors was equivelent to our normal classes and we had a 75% pass grade instead of 65% to public schools.

Why so much... I'll tell you. CRAP! Thats right, CRAP! A look at the curriculum showed 6 levels of freshman english. Honors, AP, normal and 3 varieties of stupid classes! Top that off with flying lessons that are availible, fully payed sports programs, all those special needs for kids who are lazy. Total wastes of money. They'll even send a special "tart" cart for kids who can't behave on the normal bus (which allows them to wake 30mins later of course, so it's actually a good thing).

There is way too much waste in the public schools. Stop giving out all these free-be's and give it to teachers who motivate students. Hold parents accountable for childrens behavior. Put more money into academics and less into sending the football team to florida for a week...WITH MY MONEY!

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The only thing you're missing here is that the "well off" people, those who make 53,000 a year or more, pay 83% of the taxes in this country. So, the children that go to public school are not the ones whose parents are paying for them to go there. Ironically enough, the people who pay to send their kids to private school are also paying most of the taxes to send the other kids to public school. Is this right? No. But with all the social programs brought to you by the left wing these days, it's not gonna get any better any time soon.

zspturbo

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!??!?!

you think that underprivelidged kids deserve LESS educational options?

wtf is wrong with you? you must be some rich little spoiled brat whose dad makes 200k a year, and agrees with everything "father" and "mother" tell you.

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Nope, you're way off. My family's no better off than middle class. I'm not saying kids deserve fewer educational options, I'm saying that there's something wrong with people who make over 53k a year paying 83% of the taxes and also paying for other peoples' childrens' educations. Maybe in Denmark or Sweden that, but not in the U.S.

SR240DET

bah! who cares... its just school... it only matters when college comes around... lets go get some shots.. and some beer... and close this thread... no use fighting over silly stuff like this...