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driftstyre · 01-15-2006, 03:57 PM

I mounted the dash with dzus fasteners, test fit my guages and am in the process of fabbing up a driver's dash extention for the tach and turbo pressure. I am trying to get all the aluminum in the car finished so I can send it down the road to the annodizers. Once I recieve the flocking material from the UK I should be all set with the dash.
Coolant lines and radiator mounting are next, suspension is ongoing.

Some pics of the dash installed.

DoriftoSlut · 01-15-2006, 05:08 PM

Fuck everyone. That's cool as shit. I hate how everyone wants carbon fibre to be perfect and uniform weave pattern with no overlap, etc etc...

LAME! Look at an F1 car chassis before they paint it. Or the monocoque when the bodywork is removed. Its the same thing, nothing is meant to LOOK good, its meant to work, be strong, and be light. Kick ass.

Yea coat the top so that the glare from the resin won't blind you. And it's super baller that you used Epoxy resin. How many layers? Just 1 layer and epoxy resin? Awesome true motorsports right there!

reefer1114 · 01-15-2006, 05:21 PM

looks bad ass, wish i had the funds to do such things. is that simple green? that shit smells like jager haha.

driftstyre · 01-15-2006, 05:41 PM

I love jager and I love simple green.

Most of the dash is one layer with a few key areas being two layers.

sharkeyes14 · 01-15-2006, 07:24 PM

fyi unless you have something between the aluminum and carbon fiber like a rubber gasket or fiberglass the aluminum will eventually be eaten away due to galvanic reaction, because the carbon fiber is a cathode (+) and the aluminum is a anode (-). the only thing that will be left is the stainless steel rivets

WMP · 01-15-2006, 07:34 PM

Bill,
The dash looks great. Did you set the fasteners or grommets for the fasteners directly in the resin or are they seperate? Nice work on the mold. Cheers,
William

*SaintlyCharBoy* · 01-15-2006, 07:36 PM

bill, that looks fantastic
what are you planning for the stock gauge location?

a stack or similar cluster, or a stocker?

bob marley · 01-15-2006, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharkeyes14

fyi unless you have something between the aluminum and carbon fiber like a rubber gasket or fiberglass the aluminum will eventually be eaten away due to galvanic reaction, because the carbon fiber is a cathode (+) and the aluminum is a anode (-). the only thing that will be left is the stainless steel rivets

I was thinking the same thing. Anyways, that dash looks amazing.

sharkeyes14 · 01-15-2006, 08:26 PM

oh yea dont get me wrong the dash looks great big props, just trying to save you from a big headache down the road.

driftstyre · 01-15-2006, 08:38 PM

I didn't know about the reaction between carbon and aluminum. Will the resin be enough to seperate them? The aluminum will be annodized, does that make a difference? Thanks for the heads up.

driftstyre · 01-15-2006, 08:59 PM

Sean,
The VDO guages will be extended out from the stock dash location. I'll post some photos when it is all done.

William
The fasteners are riveted through the dash and into aluminum plates underneath to distribute the load (may re-think that one thanks to Sharkeyes)

Sean1978 · 01-15-2006, 10:30 PM

I think I'm gonna paint my car pink. That would just be fabulous!!
Oh my look at the time. Gotta go.
Toodles guys,
S

jdm538 · 01-16-2006, 01:23 AM

i like it a lot

SilviaDriver · 01-16-2006, 04:01 AM

VDO for teh win!!!

IES13 · 01-16-2006, 08:17 AM

Awwwwww sexy sh*t man! Very different! I won't want to even try doing my own carbon fiber....I fuck up on something easy like fiberglass already...=P

tunedis95 · 01-16-2006, 08:30 AM

thats freaken awsome....i would love to try something like that....

papa · 01-16-2006, 09:04 AM

looks awesome..that came out really good

IGSDann · 01-16-2006, 10:59 AM

Great job Bill, if I get out of work early this week I'll stop by and get a close up look of it if that's cool.

CMO · 01-16-2006, 11:47 AM

Damn, it looks alot better installed than the first pic's you posted. I like it alot man good job.

candyred240sx · 01-16-2006, 12:13 PM

can u post how you made you dash or a link sum sumthin of the sort because i would liek to make a few small pices myself thanx nice work.1

*NemeGuero* · 01-16-2006, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chmercer

??? are you talking about the lighting glare line? that thing has no cracks

well I guess it wasn't a crack. That shit looks sexy installed. Very excellent work man.

irritatedmax · 01-16-2006, 07:53 PM

Bill Washburn, you're my hero. I can't wait to see this thing finished.

Dousan_PG · 01-16-2006, 07:55 PM

wow thats awesome. i want one too

Jay Dee M · 01-16-2006, 08:09 PM

That looks awesome!

sharkeyes14 · 01-16-2006, 10:02 PM

As far as i know, no, the epoxy is not enough to keep the carbon from reacting with the aluminum. i use either a home made rubber gasket or a thick coat of primer and sealer. as for annodizing i dont think that will change anything because it will still be negitavly charged, and annodization process does not actually "coat" the metal. im no expert just a do-it-yourselfer so if anyone else has any info please correct me.

*SaintlyCharBoy* · 01-16-2006, 11:27 PM

well, anodizing is basically dying the surface of aluminum oxide by placing the part in a charged acid bath.

the dye is trapped in "pores" in the metals surface. the whole "coating" process creates an oxide layer just a few thousandths of an inch thick (depends on process used)

while i don't know anything about a galvanic reaction, i'd put money on anodization not stopping it

*kognition* · 01-16-2006, 11:44 PM

Looks nice. I was talking with my alloy honeycomb supplier today about "galvanic corrosion". I seriously would not worry too much about it. A structural part is another story. I am addressing corrossion issues on my parts since we use alluminum honeycomb as a core material. There is a supplier that i use for very advanced fasteners you might take a look at for future projects. Their adhesive bonded studs are used on my production sunroof replacements and some newer things i am working on at the moment. But they address this issue using a 2 part adhesive. The stud plates range from Titanium to carbon fiber. And they range in use from snow boards to the Predator UAV Aircraft. Click Bond

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftstyre

I didn't know about the reaction between carbon and aluminum. Will the resin be enough to seperate them? The aluminum will be annodized, does that make a difference? Thanks for the heads up.

drift freaq · 01-17-2006, 11:07 AM

thats pretty sick. I like it a lot.

sr240mike · 01-17-2006, 12:19 PM

That Strut tower brace is sick as all hell and so is the cf dash.

driftstyre · 01-19-2006, 05:26 PM

Thanks for the kind words everyone. Its very encouraging!

The dash is more or less finished but I clumsily dropped my vdo tach (and the glass shattered) that has some history in a few of my cars so that was a let down. On the bright side, I found a used 80mm Stack ST200 Tach in Belgium for ~160$ so that is on its way. So, behind the wheel in the shroud will sit an 80mm tach and 80mm turbo pressure guage.

I worked on modifying the front control arms last night and tonight.

I added threaded inserts to the inner side for a 5/8-1/2" rod end, strengthened them inside and outside.

The outside balljoint was replaced with a 5/8 monoball assembly and strengthened, alot.

If someone trys to break into the shop, I'm gonna beat them with this thing!

Tabs for the tension rod and bladed sway bar links have to be added but I'll wait til they are on the car. The remaining rear arms have been modified for rod ends. I was going to make tubular ones but I really have to get the cooling system/wiring done so time is tight.

The rear subframe is lightened by 9 lbs. I bought these sweet subframe bushings from Ian at SPL Parts and they arrived in 3 days. They are the first 240sx parts I have bought new and are well worth the 120 odd dollars that they cost. I was going to have the machinest next door make them but for how well priced SPL's are, I couldn't pass it up.

01-15-2006, 05:08 PM	#32
DoriftoSlut Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal and Hawaii Age: 37 Posts: 1,986 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Fuck everyone. That's cool as shit. I hate how everyone wants carbon fibre to be perfect and uniform weave pattern with no overlap, etc etc... LAME! Look at an F1 car chassis before they paint it. Or the monocoque when the bodywork is removed. Its the same thing, nothing is meant to LOOK good, its meant to work, be strong, and be light. Kick ass. Yea coat the top so that the glare from the resin won't blind you. And it's super baller that you used Epoxy resin. How many layers? Just 1 layer and epoxy resin? Awesome true motorsports right there! __________________ Death Before Dishonor. www.pinkgodzira.com www.driftalliance.com

01-15-2006, 07:24 PM	#35
sharkeyes14 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: mississippi Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	fyi unless you have something between the aluminum and carbon fiber like a rubber gasket or fiberglass the aluminum will eventually be eaten away due to galvanic reaction, because the carbon fiber is a cathode (+) and the aluminum is a anode (-). the only thing that will be left is the stainless steel rivets __________________ crash

01-15-2006, 07:34 PM	#36
WMP Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: CT Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Bill, The dash looks great. Did you set the fasteners or grommets for the fasteners directly in the resin or are they seperate? Nice work on the mold. Cheers, William __________________ Boost Is Better

01-15-2006, 07:36 PM	#37
SaintlyCharBoy Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bow, NH Age: 39 Posts: 849 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	bill, that looks fantastic what are you planning for the stock gauge location? a stack or similar cluster, or a stocker? __________________ 92 vert - KADE + VH41 + GM MA5 = too many parts in the garage 95 base - retired

01-15-2006, 08:26 PM	#39
sharkeyes14 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: mississippi Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	oh yea dont get me wrong the dash looks great big props, just trying to save you from a big headache down the road. __________________ crash

01-15-2006, 03:57 PM	#31
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 42 Posts: 748 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	I mounted the dash with dzus fasteners, test fit my guages and am in the process of fabbing up a driver's dash extention for the tach and turbo pressure. I am trying to get all the aluminum in the car finished so I can send it down the road to the annodizers. Once I recieve the flocking material from the UK I should be all set with the dash. Coolant lines and radiator mounting are next, suspension is ongoing. Some pics of the dash installed.

01-15-2006, 05:21 PM	#33
reefer1114 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: in your womans pants Posts: 638 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	looks bad ass, wish i had the funds to do such things. is that simple green? that shit smells like jager haha.

01-15-2006, 05:41 PM	#34
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 42 Posts: 748 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	I love jager and I love simple green. Most of the dash is one layer with a few key areas being two layers.

01-15-2006, 08:38 PM	#40
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 42 Posts: 748 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	I didn't know about the reaction between carbon and aluminum. Will the resin be enough to seperate them? The aluminum will be annodized, does that make a difference? Thanks for the heads up.

01-15-2006, 08:59 PM	#41
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 42 Posts: 748 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Sean, The VDO guages will be extended out from the stock dash location. I'll post some photos when it is all done. William The fasteners are riveted through the dash and into aluminum plates underneath to distribute the load (may re-think that one thanks to Sharkeyes)

01-15-2006, 10:30 PM	#42
Sean1978 Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Havelock / Chery Point N.C. Age: 42 Posts: 190 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think I'm gonna paint my car pink. That would just be fabulous!! Oh my look at the time. Gotta go. Toodles guys, S __________________ My Datsun 510 Wagon

01-16-2006, 01:23 AM	#43
jdm538 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: LA/OC SOCAL Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (30) Feedback Score: 30 reviews	i like it a lot

01-16-2006, 04:01 AM	#44
SilviaDriver Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 36 Posts: 5,514 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: SilviaDriver Feedback Score: 2 reviews	VDO for teh win!!!

01-16-2006, 08:17 AM	#45
IES13 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: IE Posts: 246 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Awwwwww sexy sh*t man! Very different! I won't want to even try doing my own carbon fiber....I fuck up on something easy like fiberglass already...=P

01-16-2006, 08:30 AM	#46
tunedis95 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thats freaken awsome....i would love to try something like that....

01-16-2006, 09:04 AM	#47
papa Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: philadelphia Posts: 511 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	looks awesome..that came out really good __________________ muAh

01-16-2006, 10:59 AM	#48
IGSDann Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Fitchburg, MA Age: 34 Posts: 427 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Great job Bill, if I get out of work early this week I'll stop by and get a close up look of it if that's cool. __________________ Pushing 14.7 PSI of all natural boost!!!

01-16-2006, 11:47 AM	#49
CMO Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: GA Age: 46 Posts: 77 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Damn, it looks alot better installed than the first pic's you posted. I like it alot man good job.

01-16-2006, 12:13 PM	#50
candyred240sx Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: maryland Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	can u post how you made you dash or a link sum sumthin of the sort because i would liek to make a few small pices myself thanx nice work.1

01-16-2006, 07:53 PM	#52
irritatedmax Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ashland, NE Age: 35 Posts: 1,360 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	Bill Washburn, you're my hero. I can't wait to see this thing finished.

01-16-2006, 07:55 PM	#53
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	wow thats awesome. i want one too __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

01-16-2006, 08:09 PM	#54
Jay Dee M Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: So Cal. Posts: 93 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	That looks awesome!

01-16-2006, 10:02 PM	#55
sharkeyes14 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: mississippi Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	As far as i know, no, the epoxy is not enough to keep the carbon from reacting with the aluminum. i use either a home made rubber gasket or a thick coat of primer and sealer. as for annodizing i dont think that will change anything because it will still be negitavly charged, and annodization process does not actually "coat" the metal. im no expert just a do-it-yourselfer so if anyone else has any info please correct me. __________________ crash

01-16-2006, 11:27 PM	#56
SaintlyCharBoy Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bow, NH Age: 39 Posts: 849 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	well, anodizing is basically dying the surface of aluminum oxide by placing the part in a charged acid bath. the dye is trapped in "pores" in the metals surface. the whole "coating" process creates an oxide layer just a few thousandths of an inch thick (depends on process used) while i don't know anything about a galvanic reaction, i'd put money on anodization not stopping it __________________ 92 vert - KADE + VH41 + GM MA5 = too many parts in the garage 95 base - retired

01-17-2006, 11:07 AM	#58
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,558 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	thats pretty sick. I like it a lot. __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html

01-17-2006, 12:19 PM	#59
sr240mike Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California, Norcal biiaatch Posts: 1,185 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	That Strut tower brace is sick as all hell and so is the cf dash. __________________ TWO IN THE COOT, ONE IN THE POOT

01-19-2006, 05:26 PM	#60
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 42 Posts: 748 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Thanks for the kind words everyone. Its very encouraging! The dash is more or less finished but I clumsily dropped my vdo tach (and the glass shattered) that has some history in a few of my cars so that was a let down. On the bright side, I found a used 80mm Stack ST200 Tach in Belgium for ~160$ so that is on its way. So, behind the wheel in the shroud will sit an 80mm tach and 80mm turbo pressure guage. I worked on modifying the front control arms last night and tonight. I added threaded inserts to the inner side for a 5/8-1/2" rod end, strengthened them inside and outside. The outside balljoint was replaced with a 5/8 monoball assembly and strengthened, alot. If someone trys to break into the shop, I'm gonna beat them with this thing! Tabs for the tension rod and bladed sway bar links have to be added but I'll wait til they are on the car. The remaining rear arms have been modified for rod ends. I was going to make tubular ones but I really have to get the cooling system/wiring done so time is tight. The rear subframe is lightened by 9 lbs. I bought these sweet subframe bushings from Ian at SPL Parts and they arrived in 3 days. They are the first 240sx parts I have bought new and are well worth the 120 odd dollars that they cost. I was going to have the machinest next door make them but for how well priced SPL's are, I couldn't pass it up.

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