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Ian · 03-17-2008, 09:47 AM

yeah...and I feel like those seemingly small differences is what really raises the bar from STANCE to DG-5

Dousan_PG · 03-17-2008, 12:17 PM

im really not in the mood for comparing stuff
so i just took one pic. becasue i dont care that much
haha

on the car

LongGrain · 03-17-2008, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiDyNomiTe

Although some disagree to these kinds of plots.

http://www.tougefactory.com/blog/?p=25

DG-5s are the shit in Japan though. Let us know how they compare, they should feel fairly similar.

damn, that makes me feel good about my gr+ pros. I still want to run swift springs though.

brainfood · 03-17-2008, 12:41 PM

Im hoping to make the switch soon too! Cant wait till my car is done and I can run into you.

Dousan_PG · 03-17-2008, 12:46 PM

god our two cars at the track would blow people's minds

hahahaha
AMAZING!

YES!!

btw ill call about the elbow this week so i can do it this weekend!!!!

thanks!
i buy all my piping on thursday..payday!!

lflkajfj12123 · 03-17-2008, 02:14 PM

Quote:

The DG-5s are much softer initially between 0 and 0.1m/sec, so I would imagine they would soak up bumps much better than the Stance.

thats why helper springs are great, but dg-5's with helper springs is even better :[

brainfood · 03-17-2008, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dousan_PG

god our two cars at the track would blow people's minds

hahahaha
AMAZING!

YES!!

btw ill call about the elbow this week so i can do it this weekend!!!!

thanks!
i buy all my piping on thursday..payday!!

Np I am still waiting on selling some shit before I can finish mine up so it will be a couple weeks before I even need it. And yes it needs to happen because it will be amazing! BN 180 GT3071 Twin Drift Madness!

hitman · 03-17-2008, 03:47 PM

what makes swift springs so good?

Dousan_PG · 03-17-2008, 03:49 PM

i stuck w/ the 8/6kg!

stance isnt the same
i knwo enough people who run dg5 vs other brands
like i said, drivers in japan and usa
and they said dg5 blows away everything else
even my friends who are amatuer drifters like me who did the same as me....go for broke for coilovers!!!

doriten didnt inculde the stance
and it didnt list speeds the tests were done out so imo, that dyno is inaccurante between the twho

again not knocking stance, they worked great
but i know theres no comparison.

dynamicck · 03-17-2008, 04:24 PM

You do not need helper springs with bottom height adjustable coilovers. Typically coilovers that are made in Europe that have to pass TUV, they are not height adjustable like "most" japanese coilovers. Like K&W, Bilstein, or other coilovers that have a threaded shock body where you raise and lower the height....that's where you need a helper springs.

whatjohnboy · 03-17-2008, 04:34 PM

driftspeed is awwesome!!! get all my stuff there!! and ima me buying quoc's coupe!! muahahaa

Ghostdrifter · 03-17-2008, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dousan_PG

money? get a real job? full time job!

FINISH YOUR SCHOOLING
and get a real job.

anyways
yeah that can is lubrication..probalby just brake cleaner or something. haha.
im sure ill get it in the eyes some how and it will burn like brake cleaner does. or on some open cuts.

ill def do a review later

right now i run STANCE GR + PRO
which is great
ive had Tein HE as my frist coilover (S13)
went to JIC FLTA2 (S13)
then i did Tanabe DD (S14)
then Stance GR+ Pro (s14)
then Stance GR+ PRO (s13)
now these DG-5s

i love the stance adn thes upport.
seems the DG-5 Support is great too just a call and a freeway drive away!

I will probably get some STANCE again for another s13..thinking of making a new daily s13. haha...KA

I gots a question. Do you like the Stance GR+ Pro's better than the FLT-A2's?

Kouki · 03-17-2008, 04:56 PM

From the pic you posted of the stance and dg-5s next to each other, looks like the stance can go about 1.5" lower in the front due to the shorter springs, but the dg-5s look like they will have more travel with the longer spring and body looks a lil longer as well. Those look fuckin nice! I'm happy with my gr+pro for now but make sure you let us know how they perform compared to the stances that you had. Performance is 1234145x more important than just beefy looks and cool anodized colors.

Dousan_PG · 03-17-2008, 05:00 PM

yeah i liked teh GR+ pro more then the flta2
and mroe then the Tein HE

yes stance has a shorter front spring
i have to see if its an option on the DG5
personally im OVER that 'lower business'
i want grip and tons of it

turtl631 · 03-17-2008, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoSideways

The DG-5s are much softer initially between 0 and 0.1m/sec, so I would imagine they would soak up bumps much better than the Stance.

Low shaft speeds, like 0.1 m/s and under, are generally associated with cornering, braking, etc. A lot of compression force here gives you more body control. Bumps in the road give you much higher shaft speeds, so to see how harsh it's going to feel hitting cracks or bumps, you want to be looking further to the right down the X axis. Since these have pretty minimal force at low shaft speeds and a ton of force at higher shaft speeds, I would think they would have poor body control and feel really harsh over bumps.

Def · 03-17-2008, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turtl631

Low shaft speeds, like 0.1 m/s and under, are generally associated with cornering, braking, etc. A lot of compression force here gives you more body control. Bumps in the road give you much higher shaft speeds, so to see how harsh it's going to feel hitting cracks or bumps, you want to be looking further to the right down the X axis. Since these have pretty minimal force at low shaft speeds and a ton of force at higher shaft speeds, I would think they would have poor body control and feel really harsh over bumps.

Yep - the last thing you want is very little damping at low shaft speeds. In fact, that's the whole argument for bigger piston sizes on dampers - to actually get more damping force at low shaft speeds.

A good damper is also digressive to some degree... and these really aren't.

e-autosports · 03-17-2008, 06:31 PM

Hey guys, just wanted to chime in real quick about the DG-5's. Before I get started, I have no affiliation with them, and I do not sell them, and this is just my personal opinion about the coilovers.

I first found out about DG-5 about 3 years ago when a shop I was working at was speculating over the possibility of becoming the first authorized distributor of the US. Yes, Keichi Tsuchiya is the head honcho over the project, but the only part he took designing the coilovers was actually testing out the prototypes. The suspension company was actually started by two Japanese engineers who had worked for several suspension manufactures, and on the side decided to create their own company. At the time, all the pieces were hand made, and they were popping out 50 pieces a month by hand.

From the first time I was actually able to get my hands on these for a first hand inspection, I could tell that these were BEEFY coilovers. The welding is top notch, and beautifully done. Talking to Yas, owner of Swift Springs USA, I was told that Swift Springs (which I personally use on my Buddy Club Competition Specs and love), would be used for the coilovers, and knowing this off the bat, I knew that the engineers knew what they were doing. As far as the build, we were actually able to disassemble the suspension and found that the seals were thick, pistons I think were roughly 50mm, and were an inverted monotube setup. The only complaint I have about these coilovers is the fact that they do not have a remote reservoir setup with compression and rebound adjustability which top coilover manufactures will always implement in their designs for more specific control over the dampener.

Now these may be great coilovers, but I haven't had a personal chance to drive a car with a setup. The sad thing is, even if they are a great setup, it's very sad to see D1 and Keichi Tsuchiya monopolizing on the fact that DG5 really is his company. If you look at the top 12 D1 drivers in Japan, I believe that at least 8 out of the 12 drivers are using DG5. Of course one could assume that because the coilovers are outstanding, and above and beyond other, but my guess is that the truth of the matter is politics. Looks to me that if they want any chance of winning D1, they'll have to be running the main judges brand. This sucks to see because it really doesn't give other manufacturers a fair chance to really place their products on display.

Otherwise, the coilover dampening from what i've heard from professional drivers is top notch, and fairly well balanced when used in conjunction with the allotted spring rates. As far as those comparing these to stance coilovers, I would definitely put these above and beyond STANCE since in my opinion, German and Japanese engineers have shown that they are far superior designing aftermarket suspension parts for enthusiasts.

lflkajfj12123 · 03-17-2008, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dousan_PG

yeah i liked teh GR+ pro more then the flta2
and mroe then the Tein HE

yes stance has a shorter front spring
i have to see if its an option on the DG5
personally im OVER that 'lower business'
i want grip and tons of it

whoah dousan watch what you say

you might upset texas

spool_sample · 03-17-2008, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Def

Yep - the last thing you want is very little damping at low shaft speeds. In fact, that's the whole argument for bigger piston sizes on dampers - to actually get more damping force at low shaft speeds.

A good damper is also digressive to some degree... and these really aren't.

I'm with you on that, Def.

After looking at the dynos, I'm having a hard time seeing what the fuss is about. The build quality looks insane, though.

sideview_180sx · 03-18-2008, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dousan_PG

personally im OVER that 'lower business'

wow now that aaron admitted it. how long until lindz makes the switch too...

I like the DG-5s but for cost. i'd got with whats being had on NRR using the konis.

I still have my N1-Pros (old skool off [email protected] apex'i) I think those are amazing. but with only 43mm piston size. man dooosh rolling like a caddy on the smooth bumps

Z33dori · 03-18-2008, 05:26 AM

Wow Aaron i am turely jealous...

and i swear last year when i was looking for DG-5's i found them for 5k or so range......idk maybe it was that vegas heat or something...

man i cant wait till im out of of school so i can get a good job and have my fun....

a_ahmed · 03-18-2008, 06:15 AM

very high externally built quality product but lol way overpriced... for the same money one can get a 'non-jdm' custom built solution better serving one's needs... but hey coolies. It's all about having bling and names.

overb0ost · 03-18-2008, 06:55 AM

quick question, why didn't you go with a brand like KW so you get the feature of adjusting rebound and compression?

veilside180sx · 03-18-2008, 07:24 AM

Not all "top" "coilover" manufacturers use external res. Just as an FYI.

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-autosports

Hey guys, just wanted to chime in real quick about the DG-5's. Before I get started, I have no affiliation with them, and I do not sell them, and this is just my personal opinion about the coilovers.

I first found out about DG-5 about 3 years ago when a shop I was working at was speculating over the possibility of becoming the first authorized distributor of the US. Yes, Keichi Tsuchiya is the head honcho over the project, but the only part he took designing the coilovers was actually testing out the prototypes. The suspension company was actually started by two Japanese engineers who had worked for several suspension manufactures, and on the side decided to create their own company. At the time, all the pieces were hand made, and they were popping out 50 pieces a month by hand.

From the first time I was actually able to get my hands on these for a first hand inspection, I could tell that these were BEEFY coilovers. The welding is top notch, and beautifully done. Talking to Yas, owner of Swift Springs USA, I was told that Swift Springs (which I personally use on my Buddy Club Competition Specs and love), would be used for the coilovers, and knowing this off the bat, I knew that the engineers knew what they were doing. As far as the build, we were actually able to disassemble the suspension and found that the seals were thick, pistons I think were roughly 50mm, and were an inverted monotube setup. The only complaint I have about these coilovers is the fact that they do not have a remote reservoir setup with compression and rebound adjustability which top coilover manufactures will always implement in their designs for more specific control over the dampener.

Now these may be great coilovers, but I haven't had a personal chance to drive a car with a setup. The sad thing is, even if they are a great setup, it's very sad to see D1 and Keichi Tsuchiya monopolizing on the fact that DG5 really is his company. If you look at the top 12 D1 drivers in Japan, I believe that at least 8 out of the 12 drivers are using DG5. Of course one could assume that because the coilovers are outstanding, and above and beyond other, but my guess is that the truth of the matter is politics. Looks to me that if they want any chance of winning D1, they'll have to be running the main judges brand. This sucks to see because it really doesn't give other manufacturers a fair chance to really place their products on display.

Otherwise, the coilover dampening from what i've heard from professional drivers is top notch, and fairly well balanced when used in conjunction with the allotted spring rates. As far as those comparing these to stance coilovers, I would definitely put these above and beyond STANCE since in my opinion, German and Japanese engineers have shown that they are far superior designing aftermarket suspension parts for enthusiasts.

Dousan_PG · 03-18-2008, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by overb0ost

quick question, why didn't you go with a brand like KW so you get the feature of adjusting rebound and compression?

i could have
it was offered to me
but i know enough about them and my friends who have the Varient 2s, i decided not to

lemme put it this way
my frineds w/ the KWs..want DG5s after seeing mine.

SoSideways · 03-18-2008, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dousan_PG

i could have
it was offered to me
but i know enough about them and my friends who have the Varient 2s, i decided not to

lemme put it this way
my frineds w/ the KWs..want DG5s after seeing mine.

Seems like there are a lot of people that want these simply because of the way they look?

I seriously hope you guys didn't get duped into buying these DG-5s that may or may not feel like Stance GR+ Pros just from the way they look...

Dousan_PG · 03-18-2008, 12:22 PM

i catn even reply to you so sideways without typing a total asshole reply
i cant explain shit well on the internet.
so im just going to leave it at that.

i think this work for this whole thread

im not even going to waste my time w/ a follow up on comparing my old setup w/ th enew
not like anyone is going to try stuff anyways
ill stick the info on another forum.

SoSideways · 03-18-2008, 12:29 PM

Nah man I know what you mean, I was just called an asshole on a local forum earlier today, and told to get over myself and get a life yesterday on the same forum, because people that I know, are being idiots about the topic we were discussing.

Don't worry, I'm sure they'll be awesome for you, I'm just saying, I just hope that that shock dyno comparison isn't true, or else it would have been an extra $1000+ on the DG-5 name but with about the same performance as the Stance GR+ Pro.

03-17-2008, 12:17 PM	#62
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	im really not in the mood for comparing stuff so i just took one pic. becasue i dont care that much haha on the car __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

03-17-2008, 12:41 PM	#64
brainfood Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Eagle Rock, CA Age: 38 Posts: 2,957 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	Im hoping to make the switch soon too! Cant wait till my car is done and I can run into you. __________________ Bryan Rogers http://www.seriousbadass.com

03-17-2008, 12:46 PM	#65
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	god our two cars at the track would blow people's minds hahahaha AMAZING! YES!! btw ill call about the elbow this week so i can do it this weekend!!!! thanks! i buy all my piping on thursday..payday!! __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

03-17-2008, 03:47 PM	#68
hitman Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: late 19th century prussia Age: 34 Posts: 1,057 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	what makes swift springs so good? __________________ driftparty.com

03-17-2008, 03:49 PM	#69
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	i stuck w/ the 8/6kg! stance isnt the same i knwo enough people who run dg5 vs other brands like i said, drivers in japan and usa and they said dg5 blows away everything else even my friends who are amatuer drifters like me who did the same as me....go for broke for coilovers!!! doriten didnt inculde the stance and it didnt list speeds the tests were done out so imo, that dyno is inaccurante between the twho again not knocking stance, they worked great but i know theres no comparison. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

03-17-2008, 04:24 PM	#70
dynamicck Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: HB Posts: 406 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	You do not need helper springs with bottom height adjustable coilovers. Typically coilovers that are made in Europe that have to pass TUV, they are not height adjustable like "most" japanese coilovers. Like K&W, Bilstein, or other coilovers that have a threaded shock body where you raise and lower the height....that's where you need a helper springs.

03-17-2008, 04:34 PM	#71
whatjohnboy Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Southern Cal Age: 34 Posts: 212 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	driftspeed is awwesome!!! get all my stuff there!! and ima me buying quoc's coupe!! muahahaa

03-17-2008, 04:56 PM	#73
Kouki Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nebraska Age: 36 Posts: 727 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	From the pic you posted of the stance and dg-5s next to each other, looks like the stance can go about 1.5" lower in the front due to the shorter springs, but the dg-5s look like they will have more travel with the longer spring and body looks a lil longer as well. Those look fuckin nice! I'm happy with my gr+pro for now but make sure you let us know how they perform compared to the stances that you had. Performance is 1234145x more important than just beefy looks and cool anodized colors.

03-17-2008, 05:00 PM	#74
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	yeah i liked teh GR+ pro more then the flta2 and mroe then the Tein HE yes stance has a shorter front spring i have to see if its an option on the DG5 personally im OVER that 'lower business' i want grip and tons of it __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

03-17-2008, 06:31 PM	#77
e-autosports Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: S El Monte Posts: 44 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hey guys, just wanted to chime in real quick about the DG-5's. Before I get started, I have no affiliation with them, and I do not sell them, and this is just my personal opinion about the coilovers. I first found out about DG-5 about 3 years ago when a shop I was working at was speculating over the possibility of becoming the first authorized distributor of the US. Yes, Keichi Tsuchiya is the head honcho over the project, but the only part he took designing the coilovers was actually testing out the prototypes. The suspension company was actually started by two Japanese engineers who had worked for several suspension manufactures, and on the side decided to create their own company. At the time, all the pieces were hand made, and they were popping out 50 pieces a month by hand. From the first time I was actually able to get my hands on these for a first hand inspection, I could tell that these were BEEFY coilovers. The welding is top notch, and beautifully done. Talking to Yas, owner of Swift Springs USA, I was told that Swift Springs (which I personally use on my Buddy Club Competition Specs and love), would be used for the coilovers, and knowing this off the bat, I knew that the engineers knew what they were doing. As far as the build, we were actually able to disassemble the suspension and found that the seals were thick, pistons I think were roughly 50mm, and were an inverted monotube setup. The only complaint I have about these coilovers is the fact that they do not have a remote reservoir setup with compression and rebound adjustability which top coilover manufactures will always implement in their designs for more specific control over the dampener. Now these may be great coilovers, but I haven't had a personal chance to drive a car with a setup. The sad thing is, even if they are a great setup, it's very sad to see D1 and Keichi Tsuchiya monopolizing on the fact that DG5 really is his company. If you look at the top 12 D1 drivers in Japan, I believe that at least 8 out of the 12 drivers are using DG5. Of course one could assume that because the coilovers are outstanding, and above and beyond other, but my guess is that the truth of the matter is politics. Looks to me that if they want any chance of winning D1, they'll have to be running the main judges brand. This sucks to see because it really doesn't give other manufacturers a fair chance to really place their products on display. Otherwise, the coilover dampening from what i've heard from professional drivers is top notch, and fairly well balanced when used in conjunction with the allotted spring rates. As far as those comparing these to stance coilovers, I would definitely put these above and beyond STANCE since in my opinion, German and Japanese engineers have shown that they are far superior designing aftermarket suspension parts for enthusiasts. __________________ E Auto Inc 1938 Tyler Ave.#M. S. EL MONTE, CA 91733 / T (626)444-1108

03-18-2008, 05:26 AM	#81
Z33dori Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Riverview, FL Age: 32 Posts: 5,557 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Wow Aaron i am turely jealous... and i swear last year when i was looking for DG-5's i found them for 5k or so range......idk maybe it was that vegas heat or something... man i cant wait till im out of of school so i can get a good job and have my fun.... __________________

03-18-2008, 06:15 AM	#82
a_ahmed BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 749 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: a_ahmed Feedback Score: 0 reviews	very high externally built quality product but lol way overpriced... for the same money one can get a 'non-jdm' custom built solution better serving one's needs... but hey coolies. It's all about having bling and names.

03-18-2008, 06:55 AM	#83
overb0ost Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: OH Posts: 393 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	quick question, why didn't you go with a brand like KW so you get the feature of adjusting rebound and compression?

03-18-2008, 12:22 PM	#87
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	i catn even reply to you so sideways without typing a total asshole reply i cant explain shit well on the internet. so im just going to leave it at that. i think this work for this whole thread im not even going to waste my time w/ a follow up on comparing my old setup w/ th enew not like anyone is going to try stuff anyways ill stick the info on another forum. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

03-18-2008, 12:29 PM	#88
SoSideways Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 你老母 Posts: 4,371 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Nah man I know what you mean, I was just called an asshole on a local forum earlier today, and told to get over myself and get a life yesterday on the same forum, because people that I know, are being idiots about the topic we were discussing. Don't worry, I'm sure they'll be awesome for you, I'm just saying, I just hope that that shock dyno comparison isn't true, or else it would have been an extra $1000+ on the DG-5 name but with about the same performance as the Stance GR+ Pro.

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