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reubtube · 05-19-2011, 04:14 PM

Hey guys. Im just starting to get into drifting and for now all i can afford is this 94 Mercury cougar. i know this site is all about 240s but i was hoping you pros out there could let me know if drifting with a cougar is possible/practical. Please help me out. its rwd v6 super charged. thank you

Chaw wee · 05-19-2011, 04:19 PM

Auto? or 5 speed

How much does the pig weigh?
Lsd, open diff, welded?

reubtube · 05-19-2011, 04:29 PM

im ganna get a manual transmission not sure about the diff but those are things that i can fix my self i just want to know would it be worth doing

srstan · 05-19-2011, 04:36 PM

no. just buy a cheap s13.

Steinkrunk · 05-19-2011, 04:39 PM

as long as you get a set of XXR's, a bike rack and some stickars that thing will drift like DK in no time!! Who cares if it'll drift. I say use it as a beater, save your pennies and buy a more usable platform. Yea, you can use that different word here to try to be cool, but it'll just be a waste of time. Use it to learn control/fuck around in the rain. If you have to ask "will it be good for teh DRIFT??" then you obviously don't have much seat time actually drifting or even high performance driving for that matter.

^^Long answer

VV Short answer.

Yes it can drift, no it won't be good at it. Leave it as it is and make it a beater

reubtube · 05-20-2011, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steinkrunk

as long as you get a set of XXR's, a bike rack and some stickars that thing will drift like DK in no time!! Who cares if it'll drift. I say use it as a beater, save your pennies and buy a more usable platform. Yea, you can use that different word here to try to be cool, but it'll just be a waste of time. Use it to learn control/fuck around in the rain. If you have to ask "will it be good for teh DRIFT??" then you obviously don't have much seat time actually drifting or even high performance driving for that matter.

^^Long answer

VV Short answer.

Yes it can drift, no it won't be good at it. Leave it as it is and make it a beater

So educate me plz what makes a cougar a crappy drifting car is it the shape?
im just trying to learn not trying to be a jerk or anything.

*s13 @ fullboost* · 05-20-2011, 08:29 PM

post pics of the car !!!!!!! I wanna see a cougar drifting

jontron5000 · 05-20-2011, 08:39 PM

Well first of all, your car is not light (3500 pounds w/ the V6, 3800 with the V8) so have a good time trying to control that.

The car just looks (and probably is) cumbersome, It looks slow and uninspiring to drive. In comparison to to an s13 which is about 900 pounds lighter, its nowhere gonna be as good at drifting (which is your main topic here) but I'm sure it'll be great for getting from point A to point B

irax · 05-20-2011, 08:41 PM

actually, foxbody mustangs (which IIRC thats the platform it was based on) do just fine despite all the bullshit you will hear from ricer fan fucks on this forum.

yes its a little heavy, but fuckers drift supras all day and don't give a fuck, so to make it easy its going to cost power, which wont be hard because the 5.0 shouldn't be hard to swap in that car.

Save your pennies.. yeah, but to buy a v8 swap, suspension, and rearends

or you can be a pussy and buy an s13 like the rest of these fan fucks

*s13 @ fullboost* · 05-20-2011, 08:47 PM

heyy I like being a fan fuck in my fan fuck s13

irax · 05-20-2011, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s13 @ fullboost

heyy I like being a fan fuck in my fan fuck s13

LOL! I wasn't talking about you since you kept it positive!

xenon even made a kit for the cougar too!

some one photoshop it so its hella flush, and drifting

reubtube · 05-20-2011, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irax

actually, foxbody mustangs (which IIRC thats the platform it was based on) do just fine despite all the bullshit you will hear from ricer fan fucks on this forum.

yes its a little heavy, but fuckers drift supras all day and don't give a fuck, so to make it easy its going to cost power, which wont be hard because the 5.0 shouldn't be hard to swap in that car.

Save your pennies.. yeah, but to buy a v8 swap, suspension, and rearends

or you can be a pussy and buy an s13 like the rest of these fan fucks

Thank you for the info and for being positive. I didn't want to be different or whatever its just what i have to work with. i Guess my next question now would be besides coil overs and a diff how can i improve it

sr20sean · 05-20-2011, 09:13 PM

pretty sure they only make springs for that car. also that car is nose heavy like the sn95 mustangs

irax · 05-20-2011, 09:18 PM

so other than, V8 Swap + manual transmission, Coilovers, Diff
until you have the funds for that do a lot of research on the sn95 mustangs and find out for your self what parts interchange and what don't. Replace all the bushings of the arms and suspension links you are not going to replace with adjustable ones. Make sure the brakes are in top order. Make sure it will last you until you do the pre-fore-mentioned stuff. Make sure the powersteering, A/C, and ALT are up to snuff and function properly. There are a lot of little things that you can do to make it handle better but this is the wrong forum to ask. So the best I can tell you is pretty generic.

Steinkrunk · 05-20-2011, 09:31 PM

wow, this thread got quite the revival.

I wasn't trying to be a fanboy and say "GET AN S13 OR DIE!!!!11!!". I was just trying to point out that since this guy sounds like he doesn't have much experience/knowledge in the subject:

Quote:

Originally Posted by reubtube

what makes a cougar a crappy drifting car is it the shape?

So he shouldn't be trying to pioneer anything and should stick with something that is a proven formula. He is already asking where to buy coilovers and how to get his diff "DRIFT SPEC YO". Sorry to sound like a debbie downer but listen to my advice. Keep this car as a beater, you will wish you had when you wrap your cougar around a tree and then have no form of transport.

Further research edit: seems this is the 230hp/330tq motor that came in the super coupes. So not to shabby for a start, you may be able to save this thing. Sinking some cash into the supercharged motor may net you close to 300hp, and plenty of torque. Find a way to shed about 500lbs and you'll have a decent power to weight ratio. Then find a 5 speed gearbox and drop it in. Most likely if ford marketed this as a "performance" model there has to be some sort of LSD in there. Do a burnout and see if both wheels spin, if they do you have at least something to get started. From there have some fun in the rain, practice practice practice. Slowly upgrade the suspension and work on things the car needs (stiffer suspension, bushings, etc.). That's pretty much all I can say, just have fun with it and don't kill yourself.

And I definately am not a domestic hater, my brother owns a fox-body mustang and that thing is ferocious, annihilates tires all the way to 3rd and he can hold a mean slide in it. But he has also owned the car since he was in high school (26 now) and has put alot of money and time into it.

Internet lesson: A nissan site is a shitty place to learn about a ford. There are plenty of ford forums out there that can probably help you out way better than zilvia can.

blingbling · 05-20-2011, 09:34 PM

Dude, drifting a cougar is ballin outta control and anyone that doesn't wanna see this shit go down, step aside because I wanna see this bitch get sideways.

Check this one out haha.

YouTube - ‪Parking drift in old 1994 cougar‬&rlm;

Steinkrunk · 05-20-2011, 09:51 PM

might want to swap the rear end to a posi unit with higher gearing. That car most likely has a 2.73 final drive. Putting in a posi 3.73 from a mustang would really wake the car up and probably destroy tires in the first two gears

HyperTek · 05-20-2011, 10:00 PM

off topic but i used to like the thunderbird sc. those where good looking cars for their time

sr20sean · 05-20-2011, 10:02 PM

throw a 31 spline in there.

fyneyoungstunna · 05-21-2011, 12:30 AM

yes you can drift a cougar, there is a guy that drifts an impal (the big as boat ones) here.

there used to be a pretty good website called Domestic drift .com
thats where i got the info on drifting my 87 camaro and IIRC it was founded by a guy that drift an last gen thunderbird and a guy in hawaii that drifts an rs camaro.

Teddy · 05-21-2011, 01:26 AM

America. Fuck yes.

Walperstyle · 05-21-2011, 02:39 AM

I wouldn't get into drifting unless you can afford 3x the value of your car. Things will get destroyed, and if its your daily driver, you can't afford to have a car broken for long.

reubtube · 05-21-2011, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steinkrunk

wow, this thread got quite the revival.

I wasn't trying to be a fanboy and say "GET AN S13 OR DIE!!!!11!!". I was just trying to point out that since this guy sounds like he doesn't have much experience/knowledge in the subject:

So he shouldn't be trying to pioneer anything and should stick with something that is a proven formula. He is already asking where to buy coilovers and how to get his diff "DRIFT SPEC YO". Sorry to sound like a debbie downer but listen to my advice. Keep this car as a beater, you will wish you had when you wrap your cougar around a tree and then have no form of transport.

Further research edit: seems this is the 230hp/330tq motor that came in the super coupes. So not to shabby for a start, you may be able to save this thing. Sinking some cash into the supercharged motor may net you close to 300hp, and plenty of torque. Find a way to shed about 500lbs and you'll have a decent power to weight ratio. Then find a 5 speed gearbox and drop it in. Most likely if ford marketed this as a "performance" model there has to be some sort of LSD in there. Do a burnout and see if both wheels spin, if they do you have at least something to get started. From there have some fun in the rain, practice practice practice. Slowly upgrade the suspension and work on things the car needs (stiffer suspension, bushings, etc.). That's pretty much all I can say, just have fun with it and don't kill yourself.

And I definately am not a domestic hater, my brother owns a fox-body mustang and that thing is ferocious, annihilates tires all the way to 3rd and he can hold a mean slide in it. But he has also owned the car since he was in high school (26 now) and has put alot of money and time into it.

Internet lesson: A nissan site is a shitty place to learn about a ford. There are plenty of ford forums out there that can probably help you out way better than zilvia can.

Thank you for the info. This isnt My dd btw. Just to re iterate i am not trying to pioneer anything
or say im different its just what i have to work with

tryangle · 05-21-2011, 07:29 AM

Theres was a guy out of NC that had this exact car at the VIR drift events iirc and it did awesome. It drifts really well, slow transitions like anything bigger. A welder which in most cases should be your first major purchace for any car, will help ease your modifications for suspension mods.

Tantwoforty · 05-21-2011, 01:45 PM

maybe if you gutted the christ out of it, and fabbed some cool ass custom shit it could work.
but then its not cheap.
if its 5 speed and has a diff, you can drift it..
hell. get good at drifting that land yeaght and you will be great once you sell it and buy a 240 or something light

Kleistc · 05-22-2011, 01:36 AM

have fun with attempting to drift this car. I cant think of a cougar i liked..... oh wait i can. My grandpa used to have a special edition XR7. They were very limited like only a couple hundered made but he had one with a DOHC 5.4. That car was fun and would get sideways easy. Problem is it just spins out. I would do what everyone else said and buy a cheap 240. u can get one for around 1k easy

fyneyoungstunna · 05-22-2011, 09:00 PM

if people can drift big ass impalas, buick regals, monte carlos and shit like that, then the cougar should do just fine.

since no one has said it, ill say it.

SEAT TIME!!! go auto-x it and learn your car and how it handles, then go practice what you learned. Plenty of places to drift if you look. Sway bars from the mustang..or maybe it was the crown vic fit your car. five speed from a mustang will give you a little bit better gearing. just GO DRIVE, and fuck everyone telling you to get a 240 instead....small minded people.

miravete · 05-22-2011, 10:27 PM

of course you can drift with a cougar, its all on how well you can dominate it

fyneyoungstunna · 05-24-2011, 10:32 AM

^ WIn

lalall msglngth

BustedS13 · 05-24-2011, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reubtube

im ganna get a manual transmission not sure about the diff but those are things that i can fix my self i just want to know would it be worth doing

so basically what i'm reading here is this will never happen.

05-19-2011, 04:14 PM	#1
reubtube Join Date: May 2011 Location: Space coast Florida Age: 29 Posts: 9 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	94 cougar drifting Hey guys. Im just starting to get into drifting and for now all i can afford is this 94 Mercury cougar. i know this site is all about 240s but i was hoping you pros out there could let me know if drifting with a cougar is possible/practical. Please help me out. its rwd v6 super charged. thank you

05-19-2011, 04:19 PM	#2
Chaw wee Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Idaho Posts: 157 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Auto? or 5 speed How much does the pig weigh? Lsd, open diff, welded? __________________

05-19-2011, 04:36 PM	#4
srstan Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: san antonio Posts: 203 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	no. just buy a cheap s13. __________________

05-20-2011, 08:29 PM	#7
s13 @ fullboost Spirit Of Ecstasy Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 2,531 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	post pics of the car !!!!!!! I wanna see a cougar drifting __________________

05-20-2011, 08:39 PM	#8
jontron5000 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: So Cali Baby! Age: 34 Posts: 378 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Well first of all, your car is not light (3500 pounds w/ the V6, 3800 with the V8) so have a good time trying to control that. The car just looks (and probably is) cumbersome, It looks slow and uninspiring to drive. In comparison to to an s13 which is about 900 pounds lighter, its nowhere gonna be as good at drifting (which is your main topic here) but I'm sure it'll be great for getting from point A to point B __________________

05-19-2011, 04:29 PM	#3
reubtube Join Date: May 2011 Location: Space coast Florida Age: 29 Posts: 9 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	im ganna get a manual transmission not sure about the diff but those are things that i can fix my self i just want to know would it be worth doing

05-19-2011, 04:39 PM	#5
Steinkrunk Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rehoboth, MA Age: 34 Posts: 281 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	as long as you get a set of XXR's, a bike rack and some stickars that thing will drift like DK in no time!! Who cares if it'll drift. I say use it as a beater, save your pennies and buy a more usable platform. Yea, you can use that different word here to try to be cool, but it'll just be a waste of time. Use it to learn control/fuck around in the rain. If you have to ask "will it be good for teh DRIFT??" then you obviously don't have much seat time actually drifting or even high performance driving for that matter. ^^Long answer VV Short answer. Yes it can drift, no it won't be good at it. Leave it as it is and make it a beater

05-20-2011, 08:41 PM	#9
irax Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 37 Posts: 4,248 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	actually, foxbody mustangs (which IIRC thats the platform it was based on) do just fine despite all the bullshit you will hear from ricer fan fucks on this forum. yes its a little heavy, but fuckers drift supras all day and don't give a fuck, so to make it easy its going to cost power, which wont be hard because the 5.0 shouldn't be hard to swap in that car. Save your pennies.. yeah, but to buy a v8 swap, suspension, and rearends or you can be a pussy and buy an s13 like the rest of these fan fucks __________________ Drives a BRZ and is building a V6 S12 coupe.

05-20-2011, 08:47 PM	#10
s13 @ fullboost Spirit Of Ecstasy Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 2,531 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	heyy I like being a fan fuck in my fan fuck s13 __________________

05-20-2011, 09:18 PM	#14
irax Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 37 Posts: 4,248 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	so other than, V8 Swap + manual transmission, Coilovers, Diff until you have the funds for that do a lot of research on the sn95 mustangs and find out for your self what parts interchange and what don't. Replace all the bushings of the arms and suspension links you are not going to replace with adjustable ones. Make sure the brakes are in top order. Make sure it will last you until you do the pre-fore-mentioned stuff. Make sure the powersteering, A/C, and ALT are up to snuff and function properly. There are a lot of little things that you can do to make it handle better but this is the wrong forum to ask. So the best I can tell you is pretty generic. __________________ Drives a BRZ and is building a V6 S12 coupe.

05-20-2011, 09:34 PM	#16
blingbling Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: phoenix az Posts: 360 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Dude, drifting a cougar is ballin outta control and anyone that doesn't wanna see this shit go down, step aside because I wanna see this bitch get sideways. Check this one out haha. YouTube - ‪Parking drift in old 1994 cougar‬&rlm;

05-20-2011, 09:51 PM	#17
Steinkrunk Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rehoboth, MA Age: 34 Posts: 281 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	might want to swap the rear end to a posi unit with higher gearing. That car most likely has a 2.73 final drive. Putting in a posi 3.73 from a mustang would really wake the car up and probably destroy tires in the first two gears

05-20-2011, 10:00 PM	#18
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,222 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	off topic but i used to like the thunderbird sc. those where good looking cars for their time __________________ Keep it Classy

05-21-2011, 12:30 AM	#20
fyneyoungstunna Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: colorado springs Posts: 722 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yes you can drift a cougar, there is a guy that drifts an impal (the big as boat ones) here. there used to be a pretty good website called Domestic drift .com thats where i got the info on drifting my 87 camaro and IIRC it was founded by a guy that drift an last gen thunderbird and a guy in hawaii that drifts an rs camaro.

05-21-2011, 01:26 AM	#21
Teddy Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: AutoFactory REALIZE Posts: 5,213 Trader Rating: (44) Feedback Score: 44 reviews	America. Fuck yes. __________________ www.realize-jp.net

05-21-2011, 02:39 AM	#22
Walperstyle Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Alberta, Red Derp Age: 40 Posts: 1,729 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I wouldn't get into drifting unless you can afford 3x the value of your car. Things will get destroyed, and if its your daily driver, you can't afford to have a car broken for long. __________________ KA-T ORG-Function over Flush

05-21-2011, 07:29 AM	#24
tryangle Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: chesapeake Posts: 217 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Theres was a guy out of NC that had this exact car at the VIR drift events iirc and it did awesome. It drifts really well, slow transitions like anything bigger. A welder which in most cases should be your first major purchace for any car, will help ease your modifications for suspension mods. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/BaddlineCust...lision?fref=ts

05-21-2011, 01:45 PM	#25
Tantwoforty Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Riverside ca Age: 31 Posts: 1,890 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	maybe if you gutted the christ out of it, and fabbed some cool ass custom shit it could work. but then its not cheap. if its 5 speed and has a diff, you can drift it.. hell. get good at drifting that land yeaght and you will be great once you sell it and buy a 240 or something light

05-22-2011, 01:36 AM	#26
Kleistc Join Date: May 2011 Location: La Crosse, Wi Age: 31 Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	have fun with attempting to drift this car. I cant think of a cougar i liked..... oh wait i can. My grandpa used to have a special edition XR7. They were very limited like only a couple hundered made but he had one with a DOHC 5.4. That car was fun and would get sideways easy. Problem is it just spins out. I would do what everyone else said and buy a cheap 240. u can get one for around 1k easy

05-22-2011, 09:00 PM	#27
fyneyoungstunna Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: colorado springs Posts: 722 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	if people can drift big ass impalas, buick regals, monte carlos and shit like that, then the cougar should do just fine. since no one has said it, ill say it. SEAT TIME!!! go auto-x it and learn your car and how it handles, then go practice what you learned. Plenty of places to drift if you look. Sway bars from the mustang..or maybe it was the crown vic fit your car. five speed from a mustang will give you a little bit better gearing. just GO DRIVE, and fuck everyone telling you to get a 240 instead....small minded people.

05-22-2011, 10:27 PM	#28
miravete Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: tecate Age: 37 Posts: 2,127 Trader Rating: (44) Feedback Score: 44 reviews	of course you can drift with a cougar, its all on how well you can dominate it __________________ taking corners just as good as a drunken rhino..

05-24-2011, 10:32 AM	#29
fyneyoungstunna Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: colorado springs Posts: 722 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ WIn lalall msglngth

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